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Best Mid-ranger at this moment

Im looking to change my moto X 2013. Im on a mental fight beetwen the Moto X play, Zenfone 2 and Mi4C. I have some questions, how is the problem on the battery? How do you feel you device? Last you all day? And the camera I Know os good but not as moto X. On performance the intele is much different to the 615 or 808? Thanks

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Im looking to change my moto X 2013. Im on a mental fight beetwen the Moto X play, Zenfone 2 and Mi4C. I have some questions, how is the problem on the battery? How do you feel you device? Last you all day? And the camera I Know os good but not as moto X. On performance the intele is much different to the 615 or 808? Thanks
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Hey there!
I've been using ZenFone 2 since 4th August and I have had a great experience with it.
1) Battery: People say that the phone has a bad battery backup but I fail to see why they say so. The phone lasts me a full 16 hour day with data/Wi-Fi and maybe a total of 2 hours of gaming (Minecraft, Bombsquad)
2) Charging: The quickcharge feature is very useful. It charges at approx 1.5%/min, which is pretty good for me. I have a habit of carrying my charger with me, and a couple of short 10 mins charges prove to be very useful. Although it must be noted that the phone heats up pretty much (not un-holdable) while quickcharging.
3) Performance: Almost 2 months. No lag. Not even once. I have tested games like GTA San Andreas at highest possible graphics and it runs smoothly. (After one update you need to switch the battery mode to "Performace" to enjoy few games without lag). And the 4GB of RAM make multitasking feel like a breeze. (There's a con too, read on).
4) Camera: I rarely click photos, so it wasn't a consideration for me while buying the phone. The camera is par, nothing great, nothing pathetic. The front camera follows pretty much the same suit.
5) UI/OS: The biggest con. ZenUI is bloated with so many apps, some useful, some not so much. The useful ones include an in-built Greenify (called Auto-start manager), and an app which lets you change the colour temperature of the screen (called Splendid). But the whole UI is far from stock Android. The system takes up 1.3GB of RAM on an average (started with only 700-800MB, but as the updates kept coming, the system became even more of a RAM hog), leaving you with a usable of around 2.5GB RAM. On the bright side, updates are pretty frequent, but it will never be as up-to-date as Moto X Play will, since Moto is literally stock android. Android Marshmallow (6.0) has released and we haven't even gotten 5.1.
There you go, I hope it helped!

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Hey there!
I've been using ZenFone 2 since 4th August and I have had a great experience with it.
1) Battery: People say that the phone has a bad battery backup but I fail to see why they say so. The phone lasts me a full 16 hour day with data/Wi-Fi and maybe a total of 2 hours of gaming (Minecraft, Bombsquad)
2) Charging: The quickcharge feature is very useful. It charges at approx 1.5%/min, which is pretty good for me. I have a habit of carrying my charger with me, and a couple of short 10 mins charges prove to be very useful. Although it must be noted that the phone heats up pretty much (not un-holdable) while quickcharging.
3) Performance: Almost 2 months. No lag. Not even once. I have tested games like GTA San Andreas at highest possible graphics and it runs smoothly. (After one update you need to switch the battery mode to "Performace" to enjoy few games without lag). And the 4GB of RAM make multitasking feel like a breeze. (There's a con too, read on).
4) Camera: I rarely click photos, so it wasn't a consideration for me while buying the phone. The camera is par, nothing great, nothing pathetic. The front camera follows pretty much the same suit.
5) UI/OS: The biggest con. ZenUI is bloated with so many apps, some useful, some not so much. The useful ones include an in-built Greenify (called Auto-start manager), and an app which lets you change the colour temperature of the screen (called Splendid). But the whole UI is far from stock Android. The system takes up 1.3GB of RAM on an average (started with only 700-800MB, but as the updates kept coming, the system became even more of a RAM hog), leaving you with a usable of around 2.5GB RAM. On the bright side, updates are pretty frequent, but it will never be as up-to-date as Moto X Play will, since Moto is literally stock android. Android Marshmallow (6.0) has released and we haven't even gotten 5.1.
There you go, I hope it helped!
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Thank you that help me a lot, on the camera I feel that the X play win and battery too. But Im more sure to buy the Zenfone because the performance.

I own the Zenfone 2 (WWW, 4GB) for 3 weeks, now.
It's an very good phone. Battery life is ok for me. Root & Xposed works (important for me),
Because I'm not a gamer and the other "normal life" performance is great I wouldn't call it a Mid-ranger. For me it in the lower part of High-range.

Multitasking/RAM

You're busy and don't have time to wait, which is why you need to stop reading this thread and get back to organizing your Pogs. Rate this thread to express how the Samsung Galaxy S7 performs when multitasking. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy S7 keeps many apps in memory so that they don't need to reload, and that when moving between apps, transitions are smooth and performance is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

100% ... anyway I thing it is due to android 6.0.1 than samsungs tweaks

So far I'm loving this phone. I used to be a Galaxy hater, but this phone is amazing. Everything is SMOOTHER than butter, and I've got at least 10 different apps running right now.

Way better than the Note 5 was!
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Samsung has improved Ram management tremendously
https://youtu.be/Xfd1Vc9IvbQ
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Exynos 8890 DRAM Bandwidth
I'm interesting is asking if someone may run the below DRAM bandwidth app in "Misc" mode using 2 & 4 threads:
Search for "RgBandwidth" in the PlayStore.
As you may all know the new Exynos 8890 has in it the internally developed ARM CPU cluster (the BIG cluster) called Exynos M1.
According to Andrei's below detailed article we should see a major leap in raw DRAM bandwidth due to a completely redesigned Cache Coherency mechanism:
"Samsung Announces Exynos 8890 with Cat.12/13 Modem and Custom CPU" - November 12, 2015 - from anandtech[dot]com
I don't own (yet) this phone, but I would be glad if someone could run this benchmark with both the S6 & S7 to see the difference.
Thanks
Pierdamiano

memory so far is enough. some stock bloatware occupied some memory tho.

Unfortunately they didn't fix the issue. If you start to use an app more (eg: facebook, youtube), the system removes other recently apps from memory. And this happens with battery saver disabled!
With built-in app battery saver, the system remove apps from RAM after few minutes/hours of no usage. Eg, if you leave your apps overnight, the next morning, most of the apps will reload. This happens only with battery saver on.

always seem to have lots of ram free, moreso than my other device the Xiaomi Mi5.

it about 3 yrs I don't use Samsung galaxy as daily phone for long time!
I remember famous gui problem called S-Lag on galaxies and also lots of news about new and clean gui
also I experience it but not for long time!
how RAM usage and freeing process works? without rebooting for like 10 days of heavy usage. (last long time experience with galaxy was not good )
but really like to buy upcoming S8... so need to know more

since the 5.1 update android has done so well on managing ram almost on all devices but i give it to previous poster about s lag
sammy im so proud of you and what youve almost become.
ram managment has improved so much more in the mm updates i cant wait to try nougat
damn shame between ram and core pros power it beats my pc into the ground

I have a 4gb ram honor 8 and it does out perform the s7, I own both in real world speed and battery life.

4GB is more than enough.

TheMadScientist420 said:
since the 5.1 update android has done so well on managing ram almost on all devices but i give it to previous poster about s lag
sammy im so proud of you and what youve almost become.
ram managment has improved so much more in the mm updates i cant wait to try nougat
damn shame between ram and core pros power it beats my pc into the ground
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I hope this is a (bad) joke.

9/10, mostly satisfied, but some apps get refreshed all the time.

7.0
Really good multitasking
Mine does not free up memory while busy or asleep at night)

S8 8.0 oreo exynos
The multitasking seems great, it's uncomparable with the last years flag ships. Samsung started doing good optimizations to multitasking and now they are at almost the same level with HTC. Thumbs up!

Nexus 5x- still worth it?

Hello, I am looking for new phone and 5x looks pretty good. I don't need ultra fast CPU for gaming. Just for fluent usage during the day, with a decent battery and good camera quality. Are you satisfied and would you recommend this phone? Does it have some software problems or bugs?
Thank you and sorry for my English

If it had 3 or 4 GB RAM then I wouldn't hesitate. As it stands, it's a little frustrating with multitasking at times. It's quite sporadic where sometimes it seems to hold 3 or 4 apps that you're using in memory without any trouble. Other times you use one app, switch to another, then switch back to the first app and it's gone. I would imagine with a 3GB phone that would not be an issue.
Performance in other ways is just fine without complaints. The Nougat update seems pretty good to me - no major bugs to report and battery life genuinely improved to make it acceptable.

sidofido said:
Hello, I am looking for new phone and 5x looks pretty good. I don't need ultra fast CPU for gaming. Just for fluent usage during the day, with a decent battery and good camera quality. Are you satisfied and would you recommend this phone? Does it have some software problems or bugs?
Thank you and sorry for my English
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Hello, I am using the nexus 5x for about 7 months now and I am totally satisfied with its performance.I use it mostly for internet(like chat, reading articles, watching videos) but never used it for games. In heavy games it will lag a little but for daily use it is very smooth.The processor is powerful enough for every use except heavy gaming. I tell you in bullets the pros and cons soo you can decide.
Pros:
- Great Camera: Best out there in this budget category and good enough in low light with LED Flash.
- Overall Speed and Smoothness: Google will give you the fastest android experience because of clean Android ROM.
- Updates Until September 2017: Which probably means you will get Android O (8.0) (Nexus 5x was the first phone that had Android Nougat 7.0 installed. And security updates until September 2018. Google will also update all your system apps like phone messages contacts and other so it adds functionality by the time whick is also great.
Cons:
- Battery stamina: It is not quite the best, more like average I would say. I get about 3-4 Hours of Screen on Time. If you use it with 4g it can barely stand out for a day. If you make medium usage you can have 2 days max.
- It gets a little hot quite easy: Especially on summer the phone will heat up really quick if you are on Internet about 5minutes but it won't be a problem cause its stable. The phone will become a little slower in order to low its temperature.
- Wouldn't be bad if it had 3GB of RAM for better multitasking. With 2GB you can have about 3 apps in memory.
Overall: I would say it's a good choice for its money, especially now that you can buy it for almost half the price it had when released.

Thank you guys for your answers. I will probably buy it

Given how expensive the just announced Pixels are going to be I would grab a 5X 32G while you can. I'd expect them to be $250USD or less new while you can get new ones. The Pixel's start at $649USD. I plan to use my 5X as long as possible or until I see a significant drop on the Pixel. Not sure if that will happen since it appears Google now believes that they need to convince buyers that phones have to be ridiculously expensive to be considered good.
You can still get them from Google but only through the project Fi page https://fi.google.com/about/phones/ Not sure if Fi is available where you are or not but if it is it can be a great way to go.

I was in the same boat, I didn't mind the price of the new Pixels but IMHO it smells of them going down the Nexus road then deciding to pivot to Pixel. But not having enough time to work with an ODM (like they do with their own servers and switches) and had to go with HTC (since they would be more willing to sell them a version of their phones un-branded). So I'm not a fan of the huge bezels or some of the other missing features. I will wait until next year when they can really design the phone from the ground up and it will be the real Google Pixel. I almost went with Motorola/Lenovo but the unfortunate decisions they have made lately has really turned me off of them. So I was looking for a phone that would last me at least one year and I ran into an great deal on a NIB 32gb 5X so I snapped it up (just got it yesterday).
Yes it's not the best battery life but I lived with a Nexus 5's less then stellar battery life and that was one of my favorite phones. So far I'm very impressed, it's more then good enough and the issues are relatively minor. Very happy with it so far.

Anyone Noticed Slowdowns on Their Phone?

Only reason I'm asking is because I am curious after watching MKBHD complain about the phone slowing down. In my opinion, I don't feel like there has been any problems. ?

fearfighters said:
Only reason I'm asking is because I am curious after watching MKBHD complain about the phone slowing down. In my opinion, I don't feel like there has been any problems. ?
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We are flashers, so will not keep phone without wiping for more than couple of months.. may be long term users might have slow down issues...

A few points:
1. Everything is relative.
Maybe the One Plus 6 is just so fast that the Pixel 2 XL feels slow?
I doubt it, but I also carry an Iphone 7 and that seems extremely slow compared to my Pixel 2 XL.
2. Software mods
MKHBD doesn't do much modding afaik, so he is also limited to the default software most of the time leaving often much to be desired.
One Plus uses a lot of time on software optimization also.
All said and done, I still think to say Pixel 2 XL is laggy or slow is borderline ridiculous at the moment.

I think he means it stutters alot more than the OnePlus 6, which makes sense. The OnePlus has a more powerful chip and much more ram.
I've only noticed dropped frames when I was using the Android p beta 2 , I could see the slowdowns, but with the latest update it has been nothing but butter.

There is some slow down.
Well to be honest my pixel 2xl hasn't slowed down completely but i do see stutters and lags while opening up camera and while switching between apps while multitasking. Im on stock 8.1 oreo and the only reason I'm not rooting it yet is coz I'm one of the unfortunate people who are stuck with bootloader locked Verizon pixel 2xls. And from my past experiences custom roms are more snappier than the stock ones.

I have a hard time believing that the P2XL stutters and drops more frames than the OP6. Looking at XDA's op6 performance and gaming review, it is clear that it has more jank and frame drops compared to the pixel. One thing that the oneplus 6 does outclass the pixel in is animation speed and all around snappiness. The way I have always seen it is oneplus devices are faster, but the pixel and pixel 2 are smoother. Imo, I'd prefer to have the smoothest phone than the fastest phone. That being said, the one slow down that I see on a daily basis is a delay between after I tap the home button and before the app close animation begins. Essentially there is a delay when closing apps. This does not happen in every app, usually apps that are either poorly optimized (snapchat) or apps that have a lot going on (chrome). Chrome and snapchat are the main apps that have this problem of taking longer than usual to close.

I thought some of the issues with Android Phone DP4 were that it introduced stutters and lag. At least, that's how it's been with mine. Another thing, though I don't think it's exclusive to the Pixel 2 is that whenever I put it to charge, or take it off Airplane Mode, for a minute or so, the phone becomes extremely laggy and unresponsive.

Mine is running great, smoother than my s9 plus

mine is speedy
only other phone rival it is when i put aosp on my s9+

I feel like there has been hiccups more often the first few months with the phone but I am on DP5. I plan on doing a factory restore when Android P stable gets released which is currently rumored to be August 20th. I usually do it at my one year with a phone anyway.
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Sort of yes,... But then again isn't it expected now that the Pixel 3 is around the corner?

We people complain about anything when ever the chance happen.. its just great phone few lagging doesn't bother. To be honest mine is just perfect

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I feel like there has been hiccups more often the first few months with the phone but I am on DP5. I plan on doing a factory restore when Android P stable gets released which is currently rumored to be August 20th. I usually do it at my one year with a phone anyway.
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Planning on do the same thing. Pretty excited for Android P!

JazonX said:
Sort of yes,... But then again isn't it expected now that the Pixel 3 is around the corner?
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Well it's less than a year old and costs a lot of money so I don't expect it to slow down just yet. ??

Overall I don't feel my phone slowed down, but I agree with MKDHD that apps are reload frequently.

fearfighters said:
Well it's less than a year old and costs a lot of money so I don't expect it to slow down just yet.
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I didn't expect it either. Came from Samsung, and this was quite a surprise to me too!
But then again, Apple does it... and now they're a company worth 1 Trillion US Dollars.
It's not that hard to guess where the others will look for inspiration now.

I just feel oneplus bought mkbhd out.. it honestly sounded like a sponsored rant. With oneplus now tweeting about that video and mkbhd 'verifying' it. Just seems too staged

Honestly if he had only mentioned about the app reload which everyone will agree who uses more apps then definitely no doubt there is a difference between 4gb and 6gb ram, but he was using android P beta so you cannot be judging it but when he said in another device it got slow running oreo then i really can't belive it and the thing he was complaining about animation lol OP animations are different and the speed as well
This would be the same case with IPhone x getting slow because of the animation
The first ever video of Mkbhd i disliked
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haven't experienced any slowdown tbh

Camera app definitely stutters more!!

what's the performance like?

With only 4GB of RAM, is this enough?? I mostly use social media and media consumption such as Netflix mostly however I don't know if this will suffice

its better than my pocophone for real i was skeptical cause of the ram and cpu but as soon as i got the phone i tried the heaviest game i have ever played Silent Hill Shattered Memories on ppsspp emulator for android.And i was surprised how smooth it was smother than the poco ,i made it run on opengl not vulkan mind you cause of that beefy gpu that the pixel has.Navigating is almost a breeze with the new android q beta and i hope it becomes smoother in the next beta.All and all my fav phone to date

I have to say I was worried about the same thing, coming from the OnePlus 6t I knew I was going to make sacrifices. But to be honest this phone is a beast, great battery life, very fluid, great os and cera is top notch . only thing I notice is opening apps is just a hair slower but nothing crazy milliseconds
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I always got flagships but then I got this one. It's more than good enough. It only does something a second slower when it comes to photo processing.
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Performance is out standing imop. Better than the G7 I had.. Yes the screen resolution is not that great, but then again, I never utilized the different screen settings on my G7.. I also used adb and removed some of the garbage in the phone I don't like or use... I removed the calender, calculator, pixel tips, and 4 things in my phone that had to do with Verizon, on a Sprint phone. I wish I could customize it, but at the time did not know about the retail version being pretty much the same price and the carrier version.

Very good... I came from a Huawei P20 and this is much faster. I've had zero issues with performance.