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Am I silly to buy a SII now?

Hey guys,
I currently use a Nexus One, however I'm looking to upgrade. The n1 is getting to the point where I'm running out of internal space and I'm disappointed there are no more software updates on it.
I'm really yearning for a HTC One S, but there is a caveat. I am on an older T-Mobile EM+ plan so I do not get a subsidy on my phones and I'm uncertain I want to migrate to a new classic plan. Because of this, I feel like the One S will end up being too expensive. I'm assuming T-Mobile will price it at a minimum of 599 like the current Amaze and SII. Further after the 6% sales tax, I might regret spending 635 dollars on the phone.
The thought of a Galaxy Nexus has crossed my mind, but I figured if I was spending $450 on a phone I should be buying one that is HSPA+ 42, which the galaxy nexus is not. However, vanilla ICS is a big plus in my book.
So then comes the T-989. I found one on Craigslist for 400. It includes a one month old phone, extra battery, 16gb class 2 microsd, charging stand and a body glove case. It seems like the value is there. Furthermore, after contacting the person, they end up going to my university so I have a good feeling about the transaction trust wise. I'm going to check out the phone today.
I'm wondering, is this the phone for me? Am I silly and should wait for the S3, or go for the GN or One S instead? Will I be happy with the SII, especially because it will end up being cheaper than all my other options.
Thanks for the insight,
Mike

well there's one thing you can try to do... Tmobile recently altered their terms and condition where data roaming is no longer free. so if you ever used data roaming, you could fight it and get an early termination without ETF and sign up with them again using a different account holder of course. You can legally try to fight it without ever use data roaming because it is a breach in contract... but it is a lot harder to do... you can check out SD, they have a whole giant thread on it.
okay about the phones
1. i would not wait for any HTC phones because their recent releases have been disappointing.. I have used or played with every HTC phone for t-mobile... and they have fallen since the mt4gs.
sooo i wouldn't hold my breath for any htc phones yet.. maybe after some great reviews from xda members..
2. when the s3 is released, it is going to be very expensive... you're talking about not wanting to spend 635 or not even 450 so I would rule the s3 out of your budget.
3. you can't really go wrong with the galaxy nexus or the tmobile t989.. besides we just got ICS.. well still in the works lol
4. ASK yourself.. is there really a need to upgrade from the n1?
yes our phone is everything better than the n1.. but in terms of usability... do you really need to fish out $400+ for a phone you're already questioning about dropping money on. You can do anything on the n1 that you can on the gs2, don't fall for the hype that our phone has because of all the commercials and stuff.
alternatives:
1. why don't you exchange your phone or any cheap "smartphone" (bb, old iphone, etc) with the microsoft store promo, it's free... you should check that out. although they're WP phones... it would be nice to be rocking the htc radar, titan, or samsung focus by trading a crappy phone.
2. Are you out of contract? since you're on the EM+ plan... you can get a lot of deals by extending your contract another 2 years. If so, I can give you few pointers.
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holy ****, just noticed this is your first post after 1.5 years lol

Thanks for the reply Teo032!
1,2 & 3 - Thank you for the advice. It is very assuring to hear such things.
4 - This is the hardest question to answer. I don't need to upgrade. However, I have the phone bug itch. I want a new phone. You do raise a good point though, the actual functionality won't differ too much.
A1 - I did not know about that challenge! I would definitely do that if I could. A new WP for free is exactly what I need to fix my itch for a new phone. I live in eastern PA. The closest MS Store would be Bridgewater Commons, which is about an hour away. Unfortunately, that store is still stated as "coming soon" and the promotion ends March 29, 2012. Hopefully they extend it once that location opens, since that would have been worth the drive...
A2 - For a contract extension, I'm a little hesitant since I am moving in about 1 yr and don't want to be locked into a 2 yr contract. Although I would probably have no coverage issues, I would not be too happy if I had poor reception at my new place but it wasn't bad enough for t-mobile to allow me to leave w/o an ETF.
Again thanks for the insight. You brought up some really great points. At this point I really don't know if I can answer that I need to upgrade and I think that might be my answer to whether I should buy the SII or not. I'm really disappointed the Bridgewater MS store isn't open yet, since I would have had made that drive today...
P.S. - Yes! My OP was my first post. After years of lurking, I finally made the leap. If I purchase a new phone today or not, I hope to continue contributing to the community through posting.

Why don't you check the coverage at where you're moving? If anything, use wifi calling.
If you're eligible for an upgrade, you won't get "discounted" phones since you're on em+... but if you talk to the retention department, simply ask them, what is the best deal they can give you if you plan to sign up for another 2 years. Each rep will give you different offers, you can call multiple times to try to get better offers. some will match a previous offer or even best it.
Common offers
$250 credit (this is actually the "discount" for the phones, although you would still be paying the full price for the phone but $350 isn't too bad for a new phone)
or $10 off each month for your contract ($240)
Your rate might even be better depending on what you need. My 5 line is actually paying about $20 less with a better plan now, which is NOT available to new contracts, only loyalty plans.
I called about 4 different reps. I made sure I told them to let me think about the deal and to call me back at certain times.
One guy was able to give me $200 credit + $10 off each month.. they're not suppose to do this, it's usually only one choice... but this guy sounded like a supervisor and hooked me up with a lot of stuff. I asked him to call me back, hoping to get $250 + $10/month from another rep.
next rep told me that it is impossible to apply both deals etc etc, And i was like are you sure? he told me yeah because the system only allows us to apply one discount and what the other guy told me was misinformation. He told me I only could get one or the other... The other guy called me back and I told him, I talked to another rep about the situation, and he simply told me, well lets just say I can do more things than any other rep can.
So my rate for 5 lines, unlimited talk text and 5 gb for 3 lines, 2 with premium insurance (7.99 each) is $155 without the tax and fees + 200 credit.
well unlimited for the 2 primary lines, and 500 minutes EACH for the remaining 3, which is still a lot.
EDIT: oh and after a year.. the ETF should be about what? $100? $150?
another tip: in my area, the skyrocket goes for less than the hercules. about $50 less, so I would look into that if you're planning to just CL

throw MIUI on the N1 and hang on to it for a bit longer. will feel like a newer phone.
otherwise yea what he said. S2 is still a great phone and will be for quite some time. best phone i've ever owned and I also love my N1

U not silly, I just bought my sII for 29.99 plus tax on Feb. 17...

Worth upgrading to note 7

Hey
So I have tmobile jump on demand, got the s7 edge like 4 months ago and it's a beast of a phone. Wondering what your guys opinion is if it's worth getting the note 7

Sadly I don't think it's much of an upgrade from s7 edge
But i still couldn't resist pre ordering it. I have the s7 edge will let it go to my Mrs and sell her s6 edge plus
Still can't wait till it gets delivered lol
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If you have JOD, why wouldn't you do it? T-Mobile will do it for $70. I have one more JOD, for this year, and I'll probably do it once more. I love the S7 edge and getting a new Note 7 @ $900 for so little means I'll love this one too.

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If you have JOD, why wouldn't you do it? T-Mobile will do it for $70. I have one more JOD, for this year, and I'll probably do it once more. I love the S7 edge and getting a new Note 7 @ $900 for so little means I'll love this one too.
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I still have to pay a down payment? When I got JOD for the edge, rep said I only pay down payment once and whenever I upgrade to something else, I don't need to pay my down or tax anymore

I'm also a JOD customer, and when I originally pre-ordered the phone it was with a $70 dollar deposit. Long story short I had to upgrade to an S7 Edge when my note 5 stopped charging and i was headed out of town and needed the phone. That included cancelling the pre-order.
When I called back, I was told that exact thing. As a JOD customer, I don't have to pay the down payment. I honestly asked to go back to the $70 down to lower the monthly and they said it wasn't possible anymore for JOD. So maybe he/she did it before they came out with the updated pricing for JOD customers.
Now, all that being said. I've had the s7 for about a week and a half and do love the phone but am missing the stylus as I've been an avid note user since my first Note 3. My fiance was originally going to do the Note 7 but she liked the phone I have so much she's going to go for the s7 Edge instead. I'm definitely upgrading because of the stylus, slightly larger screen, and iris scanning. And, I'm actually surprised to be looking forward to the Edge screen because I wasn't sure I'd even like it coming from the Note 5.

fenderguy05 said:
I'm also a JOD customer, and when I originally pre-ordered the phone it was with a $70 dollar deposit. Long story short I had to upgrade to an S7 Edge when my note 5 stopped charging and i was headed out of town and needed the phone. That included cancelling the pre-order.
When I called back, I was told that exact thing. As a JOD customer, I don't have to pay the down payment. I honestly asked to go back to the $70 down to lower the monthly and they said it wasn't possible anymore for JOD. So maybe he/she did it before they came out with the updated pricing for JOD customers.
Now, all that being said. I've had the s7 for about a week and a half and do love the phone but am missing the stylus as I've been an avid note user since my first Note 3. My fiance was originally going to do the Note 7 but she liked the phone I have so much she's going to go for the s7 Edge instead. I'm definitely upgrading because of the stylus, slightly larger screen, and iris scanning. And, I'm actually surprised to be looking forward to the Edge screen because I wasn't sure I'd even like it coming from the Note 5.
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Yea i called tmobile and they said i had to pay a 70 downpayment and if i dont, my monthly payment is 38$ which is absurd. I was under the impression that when i'm on JOD, i could get the phone at their regular monthly pricing without paying the down, otherwise not worth it

Note5 here... Its pretty much the same thing... A bit faster, a bit better camera, a bit bigger battery and a screen that's a bit curvy-er

danman987 said:
Hey
So I have tmobile jump on demand, got the s7 edge like 4 months ago and it's a beast of a phone. Wondering what your guys opinion is if it's worth getting the note 7
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Yeah it's worth the upgrade the note is actually a computer and has a lot more access you need MSN Excel PowerPoint all of the above.. ... .z. . x.... .

Over on android forum a guy just pasted a price of £740 on release in the UK. Lol
If I sell my S7E I probably would have to stump up another 300 quid for the addition of a pen.
I'll enjoy my superb Edge a little longer until prices have dropped ... or the S8 is announced .
Motorola V20 might be interesting too.

Not until they fix the awful memory management, if any.
Coming from Note 4 or 5, probably yes, from s7e u probably better wait for V20 or any other phone.

IMHO these questions are ones that only You can answer.
From what device you are upgrading from? what you want from phone? Which values you more, Note 7 or the money you need to use for it.. And so on.

S7 Edge Exynos user here,
I was expecting to buy the Note 7 in launch but it is not offering enough reasons to make a switch. First and most important of all, i wanted to get rid of EDGED curvy display but it is still there in note7. The cpu/gpu and ram is the same.Camera havent changed. I dont find spen any use. Unless they release a Note 7 with flat screen, exynos 8893 and 6gb of ram, better and higher mp camera, i will wait for S8 to be released. Hopefully they would release the S8 with 5.5inch flat display.

I think it's worth it but you need to really take a close look at what you use your phone for/want to use your phone for. I think the Note 7 has a lot to offer if you plan to use it in a certain way (basic example: would you use a stylus?).

Will you loose a upgrade cycle if you return your note 7?

I am going to try to find a phone number or a email address for somebody with some real power at Samsung and/or Sprint. Here's why
If I turn in my Samsung note 7 and get say a S7. 1) Samsung really doesnt loose anything. A S7 cost about the same as a Note 7 and probably cost the same as the s7 to make which is way less than what they sell it for. 2) I paid off y note 4 to get my 7... so now when the S8 and/or note 8 comes out I will still owe 1 years worth of payments on what ever phone I have at that time. Why should I have to shell out when it was Samsung that screwed up. At that rate Samsung gets all of their money for the S7 and gets more money because I got the S8. Somebody needs to take this up with Samsung and the carriers. If I find some contact information I will

Why not just get a refund?
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Agreed, I'm on att next, which works for me because I always grab the newest phone. So why should I have to guve this phone back, get locked into "last year's model" (yes i know it didnt come out last year) that I purposely didn't grab when it came out, and miss the next new option, like the s8 when this is the phone i chose to give my s6 edge + up for, sure as hell not gonna grab another s6 edge + and pay it half off again after i paid off half the last one and turned it in for this phone.
I feel like i should be able to skip to the s8 when it drops if i want to, as long as i get a samsung phone in place of my note 7 they should do a temp contract to allow us to upgrade early. Honestly id rather just keep the Note 7 and upgrade to tge Note 8 next year as planned, aside from the s6 edge +, I dont really care for the S series, I'm a note guy and have been since the note 1. But because of all of this i gotta use my upgrade to get an "old" phone I passed over? Because i highly doubt ATT is gonna send my half paid off S6 Edge + back, so I'm basically phoneless.
At this pouny im thinking about just buying a cheap samsung outright to use, i dont want to lose Gear S3 capabilities whenever that drops, so I'm stuck with Samsung until the next upgrade, ill let my VR collect dust if i have to, but I'm patiently waiting for that S3, grabbing another brand phone or like OnePlus3 just isnt an option. Samsung or bust.

vilasman said:
I paid off y note 4 to get my 7... so now when the S8 and/or note 8 comes out I will still owe 1 years worth of payments on what ever phone I have at that time.
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The very reason why I paid off my Note 4 (I only had a few more payments left anyways) rather than trading it in as an upgrade is so I would be able to keep the Note 4 and use it as backup if necessary (I know it defeats the purpose of plans like ATT's Next, but I like to keep what I own and regard those plans similar as the old 2 year contracts). If I decide to return the Note 7, I will go back to my Note 4 to avoid being stuck or owing another year of payments on a phone that I don't want to begin with. Why not do the same? Get a refund on your Note 7 and go back to the 4 for a few months?

I gave my 4 to my mom. I'd rather fight with Sprint and Samsung than take something back from my mom

I'm in the same situation. My wife and I had the Moto x 2014. We got the note 7 and like a day later a cat knocked hers off the counter and shattered the screen. I thought of buying a cheap phone for her and both of us waiting it out for at least the S8 edge, but then I don't know what will happen to the deal I got for the geat s2 or the freebies from Samsung. There has Been absolutely nothing from either at&t or Samsung. I haven't gotten an email or text. Nothing. So is this phone really being recalled? Are they waiting to see if people will flock to trade it in before they offer anything? I would love to get a loaner s7 and then be able to upgrade within the next year. That to me sounds fair, given the bull**** everyone has gone through. But I don't want to be stuck with an already six month old phone. I love this phone an honestly it breaks my heart a little to part with it. The only reason I will is because of updates and possibly no warranty. I don't believe I'm at risk for fire.

That's where im at. If they can say i can upgrade to the new note or whatever next August, id do it in a heartbeat. Until then, im fine with this.

Verizon canceled what I owe on my payments for my Note 7, which made my account available for upgrade. So I upgraded and selected an S7 Edge. I assume once they receive my Note 7 back in the mail I will receive a refund on the taxes I paid for the Note 7 and another $25 credit.

ATT will reset the upgrade cycle as well.

ryant35 said:
Verizon canceled what I owe on my payments for my Note 7, which made my account available for upgrade. So I upgraded and selected an S7 Edge. I assume once they receive my Note 7 back in the mail I will receive a refund on the taxes I paid for the Note 7 and another $25 credit.
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Yeah but once you upgraded (or rather, downgraded), you lost your upgrade for when the S8 or another device comes out, that's a bit what the OP was after I'd think. Once you change to another phone on a plan, your plan will reset.

svache said:
Yeah but once you upgraded (or rather, downgraded), you lost your upgrade for when the S8 or another device comes out, that's a bit what the OP was after I'd think. Once you change to another phone on a plan, your plan will reset.
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I am month to month with an unlimited data plan, if I pay off my phone ( & sell on craiglist) I can upgrade.

Here with bell in canada you go back to where you were before you started your contract. so if you had none, you will be switched to a month to month plan meaning off contract.

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I am month to month with an unlimited data plan, if I pay off my phone ( & sell on craiglist) I can upgrade.
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Ahhh ok, forget what I said lol
Guess I could do the same, but I'm not 100% on paying 600-700 for an older device :/

Q: Has anyone attempted to get the S7 Edge + 32 inch tv?

I see that they are offering that on upgrades and I would assume since this is an upgrade it would apply. I tried to do it best buy online but they tried to rape me with taxes already paid. Debating on going in soon once my local BB has S7E in stock. Has anyone had any luck with this or is it even worth the hassle?

Same thing here. I looked at it, seen I had to pay $47 in taxes, said screw that, and closed it. No thanks

Was thinking about the same thing. I believe my store has the edge in stock. When I went to talk to the Mobile expert about what to do about the Note7, one thing he said is that once you trade up to a different phone your stuck if Samsung decides to do something in the future with a new Note. Not sure how much I agree with him or if he's getting info from BB corporate. Would love to get something else out of this ordeal. I see they are now offering a $100 bill credit if you stay with a Samsung. Plus a tv (that I really don't need) that's a win win.
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Yup. I'm not dumping this note 7 unless something does happen to it. If they say you can uograde to the new note when it comes out if you go with any other Phone, I'd trade it in instantly. Until then, im not getting screwed out of getting a note, because Samsung cant test their crap.

Basically losing an upgrade?

So basically, if we go an exchange it for an S7 Edge, we are essentially screwed until we have that paid off and cannot get the new note, or whatever Phone they have with a stylus when it comes out. This is mainly the reason why im keeping my note 7, until something goes wrong with it. Its yet to get hit, and im constantly monitoring it. If they say we can upgrade early like we could've with this one, Id be all over it. Until then, kiss my ass Verizon and Samsung

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So basically, if we go an exchange it for an S7 Edge, we are essentially screwed until we have that paid off and cannot get the new note, or whatever Phone they have with a stylus when it comes out. This is mainly the reason why im keeping my note 7, until something goes wrong with it. Its yet to get hit, and im constantly monitoring it. If they say we can upgrade early like we could've with this one, Id be all over it. Until then, kiss my ass Verizon and Samsung
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I agree...its all one big cluster f*** and the consumers are getting screwed once again.

GolfMan90 said:
I agree...its all one big cluster f*** and the consumers are getting screwed once again.
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And its exactly why im keeping it until other wise. Verizon tried screwing me on my Unlimited data, even though i didnt use the upgrade on the Unlimited line. Not happening again.

taz1458 said:
And its exactly why im keeping it until other wise. Versions tried screwing me on my Unlimited data, even though i didnt use the upgrade on the Unlimited line. Not happening again.
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It should be unlimited anyway imo. Just another way for them to make more money. I'm going back to the iPhone myself....RIP Note 7

This is what I'm concerned about too. I don't want to use my upgrade to downgrade to an older phone. Maybe we could convince them to just let us use the S7 edge temporarily and keep our upgrade and use it when the s8 or another note comes out?

Meeee Tooooo!

They aren't leaving me much choice.... I'm about to place the order for the S7E walking into a local store to at least look at the demo first..

Not only are we losing an upgrade but we are also forced to purchase 2 devices within a year (replacement to Note) and whatever the next upgrade is. Not pleased with this scenario as I had waited through the S6, Note 5, and S7 for a device I wanted. My S4 is barely hanging on so that isn't an option either. Not happy.

This is the reason I'm going with the Pixel XL 128 gig. It's the best new phone out. The S7E is a viable option, but I sold mine to get the Note, so I am not wasting an upgrade. Iphone isn't an option for me

I was thinking about calling Samsung today to vent and see if I could get them to send me a free s7e then I wouldn't have to go through Verizon and use my upgrade.

I've been in touch with Tami Erwin's (VP of Verizon Wireless) executive office and I've complained about this very issue. Essentially losing an upgrade for a device like the S7 Edge, as it's not my first choice (the Note7 was) and it's now 7 months old and does not qualify for the annual upgrade anymore. It seems Samsung and Verizon have stopped that with Samsung smartphones now. So to me the closest experience to the Note7 is the S7 Edge, but it's quite a bit older and my second choice. They are supposedly looking into changing this and might let people keep their upgrades. I'd suggest the more who call in and complain to the executive office, the better chance we have of getting to keep our upgrades for the S8 or next Galaxy after that in the fall.
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I just spoke with a Verizon rep (via online chat). According to her, we are still eligible for the annual upgrade program after exchanging the Note7; however, the annual upgrade date will be from the date the new device is activated NOT the date we purchased the Note7. - This makes sense, as one of the stipulations of the annual upgrade agreement was that 50% of the device (Note7) had been paid off. On that note, she also confirmed that any device received in exchange for the Note7 can be upgraded prior to the one-year-mark, as long as it has been activated and has been in use for 30 days, and 50% of the balance has been paid off.
I feel a lot better knowing that if I downgrade to the S7 Edge, I can pay an extra sixty bucks come August and still preorder the Note8 (assuming there will be one).

I love this device too much. I will not use my upgrade to downgrade. Device is too perfect. If it goes, so do I. I designed a special headband to hold the note 7 firmly against my forehead while I sleep so if it explodes we both leave together.

Justinphxaz said:
I've been in touch with Tami Erwin's (VP of Verizon Wireless) executive office and I've complained about this very issue. Essentially losing an upgrade for a device like the S7 Edge, as it's not my first choice (the Note7 was) and it's now 7 months old and does not qualify for the annual upgrade anymore. It seems Samsung and Verizon have stopped that with Samsung smartphones now. So to me the closest experience to the Note7 is the S7 Edge, but it's quite a bit older and my second choice. They are supposedly looking into changing this and might let people keep their upgrades. I'd suggest the more who call in and complain to the executive office, the better chance we have of getting to keep our upgrades for the S8 or next Galaxy after that in the fall.
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What response did they provide? I feel the same way. I have to downgrade to a device I don't want and is now "old" from the device I waited several cycles for. I'm not pleased with having to downgrade and lose an upgrade due to faults not my own.

Yeah this is bad. We need to put our heads together and figure out a loophole or something. Goal is to obviously keep our upgrade available for when the s8 or new note comes out. Or preferably, keep the note 7 until s8 or new note then get refund and upgrade to new device but if they really set a recall deadline it kinda screws that plan...

The annual upgrade stopped for people who bought phones after 9/10/16. Had to buy a s7 prior to that date to be able to upgrade at the 50% mark

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The annual upgrade stopped for people who bought phones after 9/10/16. Had to buy a s7 prior to that date to be able to upgrade at the 50% mark
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Correct... And a lot of us bought our original Note 7 on or before 8/19/16... So wouldn't the logical thing to do be: let the people who exchange the Note 7 for an S7 or S7E be grandfathered into the yearly Samsung upgrade so long as the Note 7 was purchased prior to 9/10/16?
There is a difference between the standard Verizon one year upgrade and the Samsung specific yearly upgrade, isn't it? I'm under the assumption that the Samsung specific one matches half of your paid cost so long as you've got half already paid on it, to effectively wipe the balance so you can upgrade to a newer Samsung without continuing to pay the other half on the first. But I may be totally misinformed on that.

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Correct... And a lot of us bought our original Note 7 on or before 8/19/16... So wouldn't the logical thing to do be: let the people who exchange the Note 7 for an S7 or S7E be grandfathered into the yearly Samsung upgrade so long as the Note 7 was purchased prior to 9/10/16?
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Per my discussion with Verizon (see attached screen shot), this is what they're doing.
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raneym305 said:
Per my discussion with Verizon (see attached screen shot), this is what they're doing.
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well its great that "Jessica" thinks we can upgrade but unfortunately this is not an official position yet and many verizon representatives have stated the opposite so this is till a crapshow.

That looks like the standard upgrade policy, going into effect at the date of the replacement's activation instead of the original Note 7 purchase date. That's not the Samsung yearly upgrade promotion. Unless you're on a grandfathered plan, Verizon always allows upgrades after 30 days if half the phone is paid off, it's the trade in value that changes depending on whether you're on the standard upgrade path or the Samsung Yearly.