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The pixel or the v20?

What's your opinion?

Pixel for sure. AI and VR are about to hit big time and that's a big part of what the Pixel is all about.

V20? Are you serious?
Ok it will have better audio-capabilities, but apart from that, it's crap compared to Pixels.
Starting with the awful LG interface.

Tough decision. Quad DAC, removable battery, IR blaster on the V20 versus a better smaller screen on the Pixel (in my opinion) and frankly an old school 2014 design but with pure Android. I am actually conflicted on which way to go since I have the Note 7. Its a valid question that many are trying to figure out (which is why Im here). The screen on the V20 will be the deciding factor for me and I will need to see it in person.. I like things about both phones. I wish there was a device that offered the best of both but not this year.

I preordered the Pixel XL but when reviews are out for one of both and one gets better reviews I stick with that one. V20 might have a better camera but could have short battery life and I don't care about changeable batteries. The Pixel has stock Android which is pretty dull after a while. Don't care about VR or personal assistant. That won't be big until I get my next phone anyway.

The Pixel SUCKS!!!! :laugh:
Kidding... I don't know for sure, I'm just chiming in.
I'd personally choose the LG V20. I don't care about VR.

I just read what was captured from a Reddit post and the images from the Pixel look great along with the video/stabilization. The guy has cleaned all video and posts, seems like he got in trouble. He claimed he had 4 hours SOT with 53% battery left. I will need to see more reports but seems promising even with the bezels. lol, maybe you guys have already seen all that.

I watched a lot of V20 pre-release reviews on Youtube and got some hands-on time at an ATT store today. It seems like a very nice phone. For $830 (at ATT), I would rather pay the extra $39 and get a 128GB Pixel XL (I have one pre-ordered). I wouldn't take advantage of the fancy DAC on the V20. Removable battery is nice, but I never used that on my older Samsung phones even though I had an extra battery. I use to be a big removable storage fan, but with 128GB of fast memory in the pixel, removable storage seems minor. Updates will likely be much better on Pixel. Both phones appear to have a really good camera. I think the V20 would have to be about $650 or less to get me to seriously consider it.

Coming from the V10, I swapped batteries like they were going out of style, SOT wasn't great. I had never owned a non removable battery device until the Note 7 and made it work so,..There are so many "compromises" on all phones this year except the Note 7. Sad situation. I had the V10 so I am reluctant to go back to an IPS panel (personal preference) The Pixel is growing on me the more I see, not sure where I will end up at this point but know I have to take back my Note 7 so I need to figure it out.

I've had the G3, G4, V10 and my wife has the G5. Needless to say, huge LG fan. But, I have to root, go through all the trouble to ultimately make the phone more of a pure Google experience. Do not having to root to get a great UI, plus for pixel.
Next, I had the bootloop of death on my V10 two weeks ago so I got a Nexus 6p to try out while I waited for my replacement V10. That was it for me. I sat and watched all the security updates flow onto the phone! Wow, how impressive! Then got to use nougat pure and loved it. I didn't want to go back to nth V10. That's a tough thing for me to say as a huge fan of LG.
So at the end of the day, I'm going pixel. Here's my reasons.
1. Constant updates including security updates.
2. Purity. Maybe I finally won't have to root as phone!
3. Camera! Quality yes... But speed to take a picture! If it's anything at all like the nexus, I'm sold
4. I could care less about DAC. I haven't used wired phones in years.
5. 128gig, more than enough to not miss removable storage and let's face it, Google has been making consistently more annoying to even have a phone with it.
6. 2nd screen is cool but not particularly useful.

You are all right. But the nexus 6p had such a choppy expiriance.
The v20 is cheaper, same quality camera (more or less) and the IPS panel is great and close enough to amoled .
The issue is that we don't really know what to expect from the pixel.
Its a under clocked CPU with pure android and good camera. And there is a strong chance that most of us will will root it.
The v20 is cheaper with better sound qualities and also gonna be rooted to give us a pure expiriance.
Its a 5.7 screen and has an always on display.
Does the pixel really trump the v20?

mgymnop said:
I preordered the Pixel XL but when reviews are out for one of both and one gets better reviews I stick with that one. V20 might have a better camera but could have short battery life and I don't care about changeable batteries. The Pixel has stock Android which is pretty dull after a while. Don't care about VR or personal assistant. That won't be big until I get my next phone anyway.
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I see your are from Germany, where did you pre-order Pixel? Thanks

I asked the same question. Don't let fanboys sway your decision. They both have pros and cons. I have had very bad issues wirh LG as far as text lag, screen throttle, scrolling lag, etc. At the same time, the pixel offers nothing new, no wow factor.
I chose the pixel simply becwuse I'm pressed to give up this note 7 and the pixel is available to order while LG, once again shows why they're not a serious player. They failed to take advantage of this Samsung screw up in the US where we still, a month or so later, have no release date.
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BuzzFuzz said:
I see your are from Germany, where did you pre-order Pixel? Thanks
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I am from Germany but live in the US. Can't answer your question regarding Europe. Gruss aus San Diego

Rippley05 said:
I asked the same question. Don't let fanboys sway your decision. They both have pros and cons. I have had very bad issues wirh LG as far as text lag, screen throttle, scrolling lag, etc. At the same time, the pixel offers nothing new, no wow factor.
I chose the pixel simply becwuse I'm pressed to give up this note 7 and the pixel is available to order while LG, once again shows why they're not a serious player. They failed to take advantage of this Samsung screw up in the US where we still, a month or so later, have no release date.
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Right, I am with you. Just returned the note 7 and I am looking for a replacement.
My wife has the LG G4 and she loves it and a good friend of mine has the V10 and he loves it.
I don't see a lag in any of them and when I compared the phones to my note 7 I was really jealous since the note has horrible lags.
You can buy the v20 unlocked at B&H and get a tablet with it for 870$, which is already almost 100 less from what I paid for the pixel. Plus you get a bigger screen with the V20, better audio, SD card slot, Dual camera (which will be pretty good and close to the pixel) and Nuget.
So at this point I am really baffled as to what I want to get.

borisb said:
Right, I am with you. Just returned the note 7 and I am looking for a replacement.
My wife has the LG G4 and she loves it and a good friend of mine has the V10 and he loves it.
I don't see a lag in any of them and when I compared the phones to my note 7 I was really jealous since the note has horrible lags.
You can buy the v20 unlocked at B&H and get a tablet with it for 870$, which is already almost 100 less from what I paid for the pixel. Plus you get a bigger screen with the V20, better audio, SD card slot, Dual camera (which will be pretty good and close to the pixel) and Nuget.
So at this point I am really baffled as to what I want to get.
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Just canceled my order of the Pixel XL. T-Mobile had a great offer for the V20. 200 bucks trade-in for my old phone, free B&O headphones and a free tablet (which I don't need but will give to my nephew). The phone altogether costs me slightly above 550 bucks. In comparison to the almost 1,000.00 for the Pixel XL that seems like a steal even if I have to compromise with certain things. The Pixel has no wow effect other than some software gimmicks. I will get a Pixel 2nd gen next year. Hopefully then with some fantastic hardware.

I played with the V20 the other day in the AT&T store, it was just "okay" in my opinion. I am much more excited to play with the Pixel XL.

Birdsfan said:
I played with the V20 the other day in the AT&T store, it was just "okay" in my opinion. I am much more excited to play with the Pixel XL.
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I played with the v20 and it was more than alright, its an amazing phone. I'm torn between the pixel and the v20 so I ordered both and will return the one that I don't want. The pixel will have my development by far!!!

TechBSwift said:
I played with the v20 and it was more than alright, its an amazing phone. I'm torn between the pixel and the v20 so I ordered both and will return the one that I don't want. The pixel will have my development by far!!!
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To each his own, if you were digging it great, just didn't wow me. Now I am still mourning the loss of my Note7 so you know nothing is really exciting me now

Birdsfan said:
To each his own, if you were digging it great, just didn't wow me. Now I am still mourning the loss of my Note7 so you know nothing is really exciting me now
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I'm with you bro, hands down the note 7 is king. Remember that stupid saying " it's better to love and lost, rather than never finding love at all"... That's some untrue bs

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Samsung Galaxy S8+, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Samsung Galaxy S8+ is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Best phone I've ever owned!

Massive, gorgeous display. Faster than my nemesis' I7. Still need tweaks for battery life, but the trade off in performance and consumer joy is worth it.

The S8+ is the best phone I ever had so far, and the battery life is excellent.
I only have two minor issues with my S8+.
1) The speaker is too easy to mistakenly cover while gaming or watch video.
2) Sometimes on the Camera, there is a slight delay between the time you press the record button and when it starts recording, ONLY when you have it set to 4K UHD recording.
Other than that, everything else is flawless for me.

I had the Verizon Galaxy S8 from the day it was released. I really like that phone. I just purchased a refurbished Unlocked S8+ from Bestbuy for $500 because I wanted to see the difference in size and battery life. I'm so happy I took a shot on the bigger brother of the galaxies.
Battery life is better than expected and the overall size is not that different to hold. However when looking at the screen real estate the S8+ is huge and that's what I love about it. With this version I know the drawback may be reasonably timed updates, but if I decide to leave Verizon with all the T-Mobile changes, I can do it an not have to invest in a phone.
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One Of the best mobile ever
I wanna to buy this mobile, Am so interested in this mobile to buy.

Gotta say, coming from mostly Note devices, this has to be the best phone I've ever used and owned. It's only been a couple of weeks but it's already left a big impression on me. Not only that, this is the fist phone that I've used in its stock state. No root (of course our SD doesn't have it yet, anyway) but I'm not really missing it or my S-Pen. Most of the functions my S-Pen were able to perform I can do on this phone which was a pleasant surprise. I still miss interacting with the display with the pen, though. I may move onto the Note 8 at the end of the year but right now I'm very happy with this S8 Plus.

So a quick info on my background. I have owned many Smartphones in the last 5 years, form pretty much all major brands(Samsung, Apple, Sony, Motorola). I also consider myself a Poweruser.
So this is my third Galaxy device and the first I was very happy with the S8+ for the first few weeks but I stumbled upping more and more negatives about the phone.
1. After a few hours of uptime it will start to stutter when typing fast or switching between apps.
2. The over the top animations get annoying, but if you turn them off it feels weed and even slower.
3. Battery life seems good when watching videos that are supported by the hardware decoder but most hdr stuff is not no I could not even watch The Revenant on one charge and during that the device got very warm and I encountered a few dropped frames.
4. Idle battery life is very bad (loosing 30% during the night about 7-8h) but this applies pretty much to all Android phone.
Overall it's still an amazing phone but as everything it has its downsides.

Samsung
I have never used a cell phone with the features which I am using in Samsung S8

marcdegasperi said:
So a quick info on my background. I have owned many Smartphones in the last 5 years, form pretty much all major brands(Samsung, Apple, Sony, Motorola). I also consider myself a Poweruser.
So this is my third Galaxy device and the first I was very happy with the S8+ for the first few weeks but I stumbled upping more and more negatives about the phone.
1. After a few hours of uptime it will start to stutter when typing fast or switching between apps.
2. The over the top animations get annoying, but if you turn them off it feels weed and even slower.
3. Battery life seems good when watching videos that are supported by the hardware decoder but most hdr stuff is not no I could not even watch The Revenant on one charge and during that the device got very warm and I encountered a few dropped frames.
4. Idle battery life is very bad (loosing 30% during the night about 7-8h) but this applies pretty much to all Android phone.
Overall it's still an amazing phone but as everything it has its downsides.
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Nice , you are right ,

One last quick update.
Been reading through all the posts and replies on the latest root updates for the Snapdragon variants and after about a month now on this completely stock S8+ I can't see any practical reasons to go through the grind that is today's root method. It certainly isn't like it used to be as a long-time Samsung rooting fiend and now it just seems far more trouble than it's worth. This out of the box state is simply outstanding. Obviously, your experiences may vary but based on my user habits, and I run the hell outta my daily driver, it's been performing brilliantly with no issues. BixBye let's me remap that idiotic button without root so I'm good on that end which was the only real reason I was even contemplated rooting when it became available for this version.
I truly believe at this stage in Android and Samsung's combined software and hardware development on the S8+ things have finally matured enough where I'm not feeling that burning desire to root. Sure, there's a couple of apps here and there that I will miss having but I still have that Exynos Note 5 to kick around.
Fantastic phone. I will be considering getting the Note 8 but only because of that S-Pen. This S8+ is an amazing daily driver if and when I do make the switch.

The best phone on the market to date! Not only does the phone have excellent performance, but it's just a beautifully crafted device. I'd say the phone itself is..... art.
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perfect phone for me, i jumped from note 4 to this.

galvaliziman said:
perfect phone for me, i jumped from note 4 to this.
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i'm on the note 4 just and was wondering about screen width,do you lose much on the s8+ compared to note 4?

There are a lot of "best phone I've ever owned" on here. I hate to be that girl, but... I agree. I love the features at the software level such as being able to make all apps full screen. I also love the phone in general from a design perspective. The display and battery are both amazing.

Great buy and experience, even in stock state

The S8+ is the best phone

You must buy the s8+ if yo dont use too much the pencil.
I got to not use it but i miss it

It's an awful phone. Unfortunately. The four things that save the situation are the following.
1. The screen is simply beautiful.
2. The camera is wonderful
3. I didn't pay it
4. The Google pixel 2 XL will be ridiculously expensive here in Greece.
The bad things are:
1. Huge battery drain. I had the last Nexus that was awful and I found it's brother. Some times I have to charge it twice a day. I use Android since 2010 and I don't make experiments. I use the same applications for years so I have a very solid knowledge of what to expect.
2. Lag. I don't know why but I have. I use the unbranded Greek version. I always install the new versions with Odin. With full format. I do the same with the Nexus and and my iPhone. In the latter two everything works so smoothly and I usually don't make the upgrades in time since I am bored for the setup. But now no no no. I have done 3 formats. One the day I bought it to unbrand it, the second in August when the latest version appeard and another one last Monday. The same. Unacceptable lag. Not that it's like a 3 year phone but it shouldn't happen.

Definetly one of the best devices Samsung had made. A true upgrade in all areas from the S7. Improvements in efficiency as well as the addition of Bixby and "infinity" put the S8+ it a clear cut above the V20, G6, and Moto G5.

Is it really worth buying a One Plus 5T

I'm with a huge doubt, which one to buy? an OP5T or a GP 2 XL, what I most want is to have a good battery life. But I've been thinking and looking for forums for 3 days but I do not decide. I would be very grateful for your answers and recommendations.

The only reason I was considering a Pixel 2 XL was for the better camera. Aside from that, I don't think the huge price jump from the 5T to the 2 XL is worth it.
Both phones have the same internals and you don't have to worry about potential blue tint shift/screen burn-in issues with the 5T.
Also, if you're big on flashing, the dev community is usually a lot more populated for OnePlus devices!
Overall though, aside from a mediocre camera, I have no complaints about my 5T, I'm loving it and I'd definitely recommend it over the 2 XL

While the OnePlus 5t is a great phone, I sold it because I just think the LG v30 is the best phone out now.

stu5797 said:
While the OnePlus 5t is a great phone, I sold it because I just think the LG v30 is the best phone out now.
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Well, maybe the best phone out for *you*. Everyone has specifics they're looking for. LG V30 is a great phone, and so is OP5T, and my preferences for me, I need a solid development community.:silly:

I was torn between this exact decision as well myself, given how many hardware issues the Pixel 2 XL is suffering from. Was test driving the 5T the past 2 weeks vs. my current Huawei Mate 9, and in the end, I decided to return the 5T and just ordered the Pixel 2 XL. The new discount Google has on the Pixel 2's helped to drive that decision. Pretty much came entirely down to the camera. The 5T for its price is literally perfect IMO from an overall hardware and software experience, except for the darn camera. I spent a lot of days comparing pics between the Mate 9 and 5T, and there are clearly some shots where the 5T had trouble with in the fine edge details, turning things into that infamous oil painting mess. It's funny because I typically don't obsess over the camera so much, except that when I need a camera, I REALLY need it to capture memorable moments, and I want it to reliably produce the best instant snap picture quality possible, without me having to second guess it. That aside, the 5T's software and hardware has been rock solid stable, insanely fast, and the battery life has just been amazing, easily 2 days for me with regular usage.
The Pixel 2 XL is by far the most I've ever spent on a phone, and I skipped last year's Pixel precisely because of its price. I was on a Nexus 6P till this past summer, when its battery issues finally got too bad...now that was one phone I loved dearly. I've never kept a phone longer than 6 months till the 6P, which I bought at launch and kept for a year and a half. So here's to hoping I can live with the Pixel 2 XL's flaws for me to love everything else about it. I really don't want to ever go to a Samsung if I can avoid it, as I hate bloatware phones, not to mention everybody and their dog has a Samsung/Apple nowdays.

I need a development support phone. That means bootloader unlocking to not break safetynet and run custom ROMs/Kernels, not just rooting and breaking stuff like Samsung. V30 LG isn't worth the $800, and V30+ certainly not worth the $900+ IMHO.
For the money, I would expect more from them all. My only gripe with Samsung, no Bootloader unlocking for US phones...so, it checks all the boxes I have and need.
Otherwise, 5T is a really great phone for the money....only complaint is lack of SDCard, but can run USB-OTG and get around that, wireless charging would be nice. Otherwise, bang for the buck, dev support, can't be beat the 5T.

After having the 5T for some 2-3 weeks now, I would say get the Pixel 2 XL ONLY because better camera and Android updates. But ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT. Meaning you won't starve yourself or anything if you can get it. If you can truly afford it, you might as well get it.
With that being said, the 5T isn't a bad device at all. OxygenOS is basically stock Android some you coming from a Nexus device, like myself, you'll feel right at home. Especially if you've used LineageOS or some other custom ROM. On the flip side, you'll be stuck on Nougat 7.1.1 for a little bit. As I've mentioned before, coming from a Nexus device, whenever I heard about new Android updates I immediately flashed it, because I could. Because it was available to us like that. With the 5T, I had to switch gears and rely on ROMs to get back to the latest and greatest, or just stay on the current version of OOS. Which isn't bad by any means. I would've been happier if the 5T had shipped with at least 7.1.2 on board, because there's some functionality there that makes the previous version bearable. 7.1.1., not so much. But it is what it is. Substratum themes don't really work too well either.
But that's mostly cosmetic stuff. So, again, if you can actually afford it, get the P2XL. But if you wanna be SMART about your money, get the 5T. Aside from a lacking camera and lack of immediate Android OS updates, there's truly not much you're missing out on with the 5T compared to the P2XL. Outside of Pixel-exclusive features, that is.
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rickysidhu_ said:
The only reason I was considering a Pixel 2 XL was for the better camera. Aside from that, I don't think the huge price jump from the 5T to the 2 XL is worth it.
Both phones have the same internals and you don't have to worry about potential blue tint shift/screen burn-in issues with the 5T.
Also, if you're big on flashing, the dev community is usually a lot more populated for OnePlus devices!
Overall though, aside from a mediocre camera, I have no complaints about my 5T, I'm loving it and I'd definitely recommend it over the 2 XL
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Did you know that the price of Google Pixel 2 XL has fallen by nearly 45% because people are not purchasing it and many who purchased are returning it back within the refund period of 10 days given by Amazon. Need I say more?

ap6709 said:
Did you know that the price of Google Pixel 2 XL has fallen by nearly 45% because people are not purchasing it and many who purchased are returning it back within the refund period of 10 days given by Amazon. Need I say more?
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Here in Canada, after tax, the Pixel 2XL is roughly $1275 (as of this posting). The total I paid for the OnePlus 5T was $730 after the student discount and tax. That's still about a $500+ jump in price, still not worth it for me at least.

I really don't have a lot of options. Coming from a bootlooped 5X (reason why I will never a LG phone) and really wanted that stock feel with lots of custom development. Only choice for me was 5T and Pixel 2, and sadly Pixel 2 doesn't sell where I am.
And I really don't care that much about wireless charging, camera or the 1080P display. Quite an easy choice for me.
I really think it's worth it.

the oneplus 5t camera is its biggest weakness. i really hate the camera and i dont even use the camera that much. coming from a samsung S6, even the S6 takes a fat pile of dookie all over the 5T camera

rickysidhu_ said:
The only reason I was considering a Pixel 2 XL was for the better camera. Aside from that, I don't think the huge price jump from the 5T to the 2 XL is worth it.
Both phones have the same internals and you don't have to worry about potential blue tint shift/screen burn-in issues with the 5T.
Also, if you're big on flashing, the dev community is usually a lot more populated for OnePlus devices!
Overall though, aside from a mediocre camera, I have no complaints about my 5T, I'm loving it and I'd definitely recommend it over the 2 XL
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Well, I think it's an amazing phone for the price and everything it offers, but, how bad is the camera?

Elsydeon said:
I was torn between this exact decision as well myself, given how many hardware issues the Pixel 2 XL is suffering from. Was test driving the 5T the past 2 weeks vs. my current Huawei Mate 9, and in the end, I decided to return the 5T and just ordered the Pixel 2 XL. The new discount Google has on the Pixel 2's helped to drive that decision. Pretty much came entirely down to the camera. The 5T for its price is literally perfect IMO from an overall hardware and software experience, except for the darn camera. I spent a lot of days comparing pics between the Mate 9 and 5T, and there are clearly some shots where the 5T had trouble with in the fine edge details, turning things into that infamous oil painting mess. It's funny because I typically don't obsess over the camera so much, except that when I need a camera, I REALLY need it to capture memorable moments, and I want it to reliably produce the best instant snap picture quality possible, without me having to second guess it. That aside, the 5T's software and hardware has been rock solid stable, insanely fast, and the battery life has just been amazing, easily 2 days for me with regular usage.
The Pixel 2 XL is by far the most I've ever spent on a phone, and I skipped last year's Pixel precisely because of its price. I was on a Nexus 6P till this past summer, when its battery issues finally got too bad...now that was one phone I loved dearly. I've never kept a phone longer than 6 months till the 6P, which I bought at launch and kept for a year and a half. So here's to hoping I can live with the Pixel 2 XL's flaws for me to love everything else about it. I really don't want to ever go to a Samsung if I can avoid it, as I hate bloatware phones, not to mention everybody and their dog has a Samsung/Apple nowdays.
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So brother, in a few words you recommend me for pixel 2 xl? If this the possibility of saving money I do it (and I go for the 5t) but if I really have such a bad experience with the camera OF 5T. Well, I think I would go by PIXEL XL2 . (I come from the s7 and I guess the 5t will have a very bad camera)

MegaBabu said:
Well, I think it's an amazing phone for the price and everything it offers, but, how bad is the camera?
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The camera isn't necessarily bad, but isn't good either. It's just an average camera in my opinion. If you're not super picky on getting super clean shots then I think you'd be more than okay with it

iamterence said:
After having the 5T for some 2-3 weeks now, I would say get the Pixel 2 XL ONLY because better camera and Android updates. But ONLY IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT. Meaning you won't starve yourself or anything if you can get it. If you can truly afford it, you might as well get it.
With that being said, the 5T isn't a bad device at all. OxygenOS is basically stock Android some you coming from a Nexus device, like myself, you'll feel right at home. Especially if you've used LineageOS or some other custom ROM. On the flip side, you'll be stuck on Nougat 7.1.1 for a little bit. As I've mentioned before, coming from a Nexus device, whenever I heard about new Android updates I immediately flashed it, because I could. Because it was available to us like that. With the 5T, I had to switch gears and rely on ROMs to get back to the latest and greatest, or just stay on the current version of OOS. Which isn't bad by any means. I would've been happier if the 5T had shipped with at least 7.1.2 on board, because there's some functionality there that makes the previous version bearable. 7.1.1., not so much. But it is what it is. Substratum themes don't really work too well either.
But that's mostly cosmetic stuff. So, again, if you can actually afford it, get the P2XL. But if you wanna be SMART about your money, get the 5T. Aside from a lacking camera and lack of immediate Android OS updates, there's truly not much you're missing out on with the 5T compared to the P2XL. Outside of Pixel-exclusive features, that is.
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the read the comments, the camera is much worse than I think. And now I have been planted a great doubt.

The camera is not that bad. You have gcam port too anyways...
Pixel is a scam imo

chinkster said:
the oneplus 5t camera is its biggest weakness. i really hate the camera and i dont even use the camera that much. coming from a samsung S6, even the S6 takes a fat pile of dookie all over the 5T camera
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So the 5t camera is very very bad. I got used to the camera of my s7, but I thought that the 5t could be on par.
Is it really bad camera?

MegaBabu said:
the read the comments, the camera is much worse than I think. And now I have been planted a great doubt.
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The camera isn't bad, it's just not super great. Other cameras are better for sure, but that's what you get for more money.
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fuarkgl3 said:
The camera is not that bad. You have gcam port too anyways...
Pixel is a scam imo
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With what camera could you compare brother? maybe with my s7? best? worst? at par?

I hope my perspective helps your decision. I'm smartphone power user. I don't play games but I am multitasking a lot. Whatever I can do on the move using the phone, without turning my PC or laptop, I'll do it. E.g. 3 browsers installed with around 10+ pages on each, diverse google drive docs running scripts, 350 apps, you name it, it's on my phone. So long I can remember, I was looking for the best phone with the best community (phone customization and fixes), and therefore switching between Google Nexus/OnePlus phones. I wanted the best, regardless of price so I was ready to go with Pixel XL2. Until I saw the screen issue. If you are looking at XL2 from an angle, any angle, like have it on your desk, table, sofa, screen will turn bluish. That alone was enough for me to look for better phone. Another thing to keep in mind is that Pixel XL2 has only 4 GB of ram and that would not be enough for me. I went with OnePlus 5T and I don't regret it a bit. Yes, camera is not as good, no OiS, no optical zoom either, and I'll do with Gmod camera or open camera. Can't have everything, I guess.

S8+ to Pixel 2 XL?

Was considering the leap. I had the Moto X Pure prior to the S8+ and I miss the front facing speakers....not sure if it's worth the trouble though....
Any thoughts?

I've been able to play with the S8+ a lot, my ex-had it. In my personal opinion, I'd take the Pixel 2 XL over that phone any day. It's just my two cents.

Been there, done that! The Pixel XL 2 is the best device I've had going into 2018!

i couple of people at work work have the s8+ - and let's just say I'm glad I have my penguin

I miss flashing too. I had a ton of freedom on the Moto X Pure. Moving to the S8+ and all of it's restrictions has been tough. I think the S8+ is a beautiful phone but too locked down for this flashaholic. I'm assuming the whole "screen" issue with the Pixel 2 is negligible?

I had the S8+ before. The quality of the device was more premium but the software on the S8+ sucked. I just hated Bixby, the half baked iris scanner and the bloated software in general. I never used any of the Samsung-specific apps like calendar, health, music...For me they are just redundant apps. Glad to have a pure Android again.

While it's not the S8+, prior to owning my 2XL I had an S8 for about 4 months.
- The S8 (and S8+) screen is considerably more crisp, with better clarity and better colors.
- Wireless charging with the S8 is something I miss every single day.
- Touchwiz has become surprisingly great. Over my 4 months of usage, the phone never lagged/stuttered once.
But...
- The front facing speakers on the 2XL are fantastic.
- The fingerprint reader on the 2XL is placed in a MUCH better spot.
- The 2XL camera is notably better in every day usage.
While I do miss some things from the S8, I have no regrets about switching to the 2XL. Especially because even though Touchwiz is perfectly snappy these days, you still can't beat the smoothness and overall feel of pure Android on the 2XL.

Man, I REALLY appreciate the feedback so far. This is def making my decision easier. My S8+ is Mint condition so it shouldn't be much of an investment switching. I'm a HUGE fan of Swappa. It's been years since I've bought a "brand new" phone. I was originally leaning towards the V30 but that idea totally faded. Rumors are around that the S9 will have dual speakers, BUT...... obviously still too locked down.

My S8+ just got shipped out today to it's new owner. I couldn't be happier. I wouldn't say the Samsung has "better" colors. It's just more saturated and I'm sure we all appreciate that in Samsung devices. But this phone amazing. I said it in another thread. My S8+ was like a Ferrari with a bad tune. Make it look pretty and go fast, and put all these Bells and whistles on it. But the tune is bad your milage is going to tank and it leads to lag. This phone may not be the most aesthetically pleasing. But its got the same internals. I never used to understand why people complained about lag in Samsung phones until I tried my pixel. I'm not sure if I'll go back lol.

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My S8+ just got shipped out today to it's new owner. I couldn't be happier. I wouldn't say the Samsung has "better" colors. It's just more saturated and I'm sure we all appreciate that in Samsung devices. But this phone amazing. I said it in another thread. My S8+ was like a Ferrari with a bad tune. Make it look pretty and go fast, and put all these Bells and whistles on it. But the tune is bad your milage is going to tank and it leads to lag. This phone may not be the most aesthetically pleasing. But its got the same internals. I never used to understand why people complained about lag in Samsung phones until I tried my pixel. I'm not sure if I'll go back lol.
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Welcome to the Dark Side young Obiwan!??

Yeah hands down this is the best phone i've owned. The "problems" everyone is talking about I would guess 75% of the people who talk about them would have never noticed them or made a big deal if they didnt read reviews on it

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I was originally leaning towards the V30 but that idea totally faded. Rumors are around that the S9 will have dual speakers, BUT...... obviously still too locked down.
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I had a V30 for 3 weeks when it was first released on T-Mobile. Sadly, thanks to LGs meddling in Android's smooth and simple user experience, the phone is garbage.
The hardware is great, it has wireless charging, and the phone has excellent 'in hand' feel. But the UI ruins the whole experience. No matter how much myself, and many others in the V30 sub forum, tried to de-bloat the phone, it still lagged and stuttered constantly in normal usage.
The amount of unnecessary, redundant background services that LG added into the OS on the V30 is mind boggling. Also, the camera is just "OK" compared to my S8 and 2 XL. And there is no unlocking/rooting the carrier locked versions of the V30. So custom AOSP ROMs are out of the question for that phone.
It's such a shame because the phone had such great potential and I'd even argue that if that V30 just had simple, untouched, pure Android it would be just as good as the 2XL, substituting wireless charging for the best in class camera and dual front facing speakers for better in hand feel.

That is sad to hear about the V30. I was super pumped reading about it prior to its release. Thanks for the info @sn0warmy. I make a habit of checking past and possibly future phones and their dedicated threads here on XDA. It is fun to see where all the action is. There are most def some dedicated people working on the Snapdragon S8+/S8 forums but you can sense some frustration when it comes to the limitations being imposed by the carriers. What REALLY sucks is you are intertwined with the international version folks whom have the ability to unlock and use custom recovery. Of course, that's the case with many of the phones nowadays. Anyhew, I am def excited to be jumping ship here and switching units. You guys have def help increased my excitement level.

I have the note 8 & pixel 2 XL. Both have pros & cons.
Pixel camera is better
Pixel Battery is better
Pixel speakers are better
Note has wireless charging
Note has spen
Note screen is better
They are close I feel but pixel is my daily driver for the time being

This threads Pixel XL 2 pro's are music to my ears!

While the S8+ was an absolute fantastic phone, I gave it to my fiancee and bought the Pixel 2XL and haven't looked back. Either phone is fantastic tho. Happier with my P2XL.

Pulled the trigger today and ordered one. Thanks again for the feedback. It made my decision to switch quite simple.

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Pulled the trigger today and ordered one. Thanks again for the feedback. It made my decision to switch quite simple.
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Awesome! What color did you get?? You'll have to let us know what you think when it comes in!
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Awesome! What color did you get?? You'll have to let us know what you think when it comes in!
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I got black. I had a really hard time trying to explain to my wife why it is I'm switching since we just bought the S8+s...... she's always been a die-hard Sammy fan though. I haven't been dedicated to any brand. I just prefer there to be some freedom when it comes to hackability. So, I'll be around, permanently, next week.

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I got black. I had a really hard time trying to explain to my wife why it is I'm switching since we just bought the S8+s...... she's always been a die-hard Sammy fan though. I haven't been dedicated to any brand. I just prefer there to be some freedom when it comes to hackability. So, I'll be around, permanently, next week.
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yeah Samsung doesn't allow for that anymore! I remember the days of the developer note boy was it amazing!

Is the 3XL still worth it?

I'm in the process of getting a new phone in the coming days. To keep it simple here, i'm debating 3XL or S10(e). I'm not going to wait long enough for the Pixel 4 to come out. OnePlus 7 Pro is sadly not available through my carrier.
So, is the 3XL still a good deal when Price is identical to the S10(e)? I've had Samsung in the past and Nexus's before that. I now the Samsung OS and am fine with it. I live in Europe, so getting AOSP for the S10 should be an option. Camera is important but not priority one. An overall fluid/fast system is more important to me. I also don't care to much for specs. Solid Batterylife is on my list too. I'm not a poweruser, so 3-4 hours SOT should be enough for a day or two. Oh, and i don't have a Problem with either notch or holepunch.
With that, would you get the 3XL for guaranteed Android Q and faster Updates, or the S10 for better specs/Display and being overall newer?

I had the chance of one plus, Samsung S10, Huawei p30pro. Chose the pixel for the updates and camera. No regrets whatsoever. Camera stunning, updates each month, 5-6 hours screen time, great build, wireless charging and IP rating, smooth as performance and a very underrated screen. Coming from the LG G7, which I loved, this phone is a level up in everyway.

@domsch1988 Why not the 3a XL? Much better value especially if you're not a power user. Only thing it's not waterproof and has no wireless charging, slightly lower processor but a great phone.

go for the OnePlus. I've played with it (friend bought it) and its solid. I have a 3XL but if I can do it over, i'd either stick with the 2XL or upgrade to the OnePlus.

I still think the Pixel 3 XL is the Android phone to get, until the 4 XL in Oct. Best camera, smooth OS, timely updates every month, no bloatware.
What other phone is out there? Galaxy S10? LOL I'll pass. LG G8 or V50 ? No thanks. OnePlus, yeah they are are good, but, not the best camera, and some features missing

I would choose Oneplus. I'm so disappointed with the Pixel 3 XL. The fingerprint sensor sucks. I had the 1+ 5T and it was far better than this. It's my last Pixel.

I'll change my 3 XL for a 5 XL, that's how much I love it.

for me pixel 3 xl is the phone to buy because its a nice design lovely to hold timely updates. The only thing am not happy about is the ram and how its managed i would have liked to see an extra 2 gigs here.

Traded my S10 Plus for the Pixel 3 XL.
Great decision in my view. Running Android Q beta 4, no need to carry DSLR with me (S10 camera was awful).
Only downside is the RAM and it's management. Would choose it over again in a heartbeat

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@domsch1988 Why not the 3a XL? Much better value especially if you're not a power user. Only thing it's not waterproof and has no wireless charging, slightly lower processor but a great phone.
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Since i'm getting it on Contract, they are equal in price (basically 1€ without any change in what the plan will cost me). The 3a will be getting guaranteed Updates for 6 Months longer. Other than that, i feel the 3XL is far better.
If i'd pay for it up front, i agree 100%. I'm currently rocking a Redmin Note 5 Pro. So i'm confident, that the Hardware in the 3aXL would be well enough. I just don't have the value benefit when both phones cost the same in my case.
To everyone else: I really appreciate the input. Seems the Pixel is still the Phone to get. Will be my first time getting a phone for the camera. But with my wife and me expecting a child, i'm sure that's a great decision

Despite what I have read of other's experiences with this phone, in my case it is the absolute best phone I have ever had. Coming from a long line of Samsung Note phones and Galaxy phones, it just can't compare. I highly recommend it. Updates are timely and without delay on the first Monday of every month. It is very responsive and the camera is the best in the industry. I have learned with this phone that specs mean nothing if the software is not optimized. Samsung phone shave great specs but software (IMO) is not optimized. I got tired of Samsung's locked bootloader, no root on phones and batteries that after 6 months did not last more than a few hours. For me, this is the ONLY phone worth the money today.

Easy. Get the 3xl or even 3aXL and save some money. Either will be fantastic.

Other than Google not being able to fix the sound (changes from clear to bassy/muffled and back randomly) this phone is awesome.

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Traded my S10 Plus for the Pixel 3 XL.
Great decision in my view. Running Android Q beta 4, no need to carry DSLR with me (S10 camera was awful).
Only downside is the RAM and it's management. Would choose it over again in a heartbeat
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This. I tried the S9+ then the S10+. Couldn't wait to get back to the Pixel.

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go for the OnePlus. I've played with it (friend bought it) and its solid. I have a 3XL but if I can do it over, i'd either stick with the 2XL or upgrade to the OnePlus.
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The OnePlus is no upgrade IMO. I just spent a week testing both the OnePlus 7 Pro and the P3 XL and the bottom line is that the two phones are a perfect example of specs not telling the whole story. The OnePlus is nice but in the end it went back and I kept the P3 XL. Main issues with the OnePlus was the distortion caused by the curved edges (why did they do that? Loss of functionality for nothing in return... if i wanted a fashion statement I'd buy an iPhone.) I don't get why everyone gets hysterical over a notch that hardly ever really intrudes on the P3 XL while ignoring the distortion of the O7P that is annoying 100% of the time. Also in spite of all the reviews gushing over the 90 fps display it really was a big... meh. If you look closely it is somewhat smoother than the 60 fps flagships but these are already so good that the slight improvement is just not that big a deal and I think I'd probably have ended up just leaving the 90 fps option off to get the 10% or so battery life back. But the OP7 display was brighter than the P3 XL, I'll give it that.
The other problem on the OP7P was the camera. It's come a long way and is certainly competitive with the big boys but I found the P3's image to be superior most of the time. If you aren't picky about the camera then the P7 should be fine. Last is the general feel of the phone and the pure Google Pixel OS (and all the little nonessential but nice goodies) made the P3 just feel more comfortable and day-to-day usable to me. Also FWIW the P3 supports Verizon WiFi calling and the OP7 does not (or at least I couldn't find any setting that would make it work.) Something that won't matter for some but will for others so just mentioning it. Also if you think you may ever want to use Google Fi (for the international coverage if nothing else) then the Pixel is the better choice, also a factor that may or may not matter depending on the user.
I'm not hating on the OnePlus, it's a great phone and would probably be my phone if it weren't for the P3 XL. But an 'upgrade'? Nah.
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At this point in the year I would honestly wait things out to see what happens with the Pixel 4. I love the Pixel 3xl and wouldn't buy anything else at this point. The first phone that I enjoy using and the camera is awesome! With the Pixel 4 it can only get better, even if the numbers are still not up with the S10 it wouldn't matter to me. Fast, no bloatware and the ability to take it anywhere and use it anywhere is what I enjoy.

S10e would be a downgrade in my opinion.
I actually ordered the Snapdragon S10e and quickly realised I miss that higher quality screen of the Pixel 3 XL. As this was the Snapdragon S10e I had gcam installed but it was very buggy and just nothing like the original.
The pixel 3 XL has a wider screen too, makes viewing content a lot better, the Samsung phones are narrow so it almost seems like you lose out on content, for me it was noticeably enough to keep this phone!