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Unlocked AT&T Tilt 2 (Touch Pro 2)

I'm in a dilemma and in need of some advice. I'm in the market for a new Windows Mobile Phone. The last phone I had (The HP Ipaq 910c) went sour on me 3 times before I finally sold it off. I've been using a phone that's 8 years old for the past several months...trying to patiently wait for the Touch Pro 2 on AT&T.
Here's my problem...I'm on an unlimited data plan right now with AT&T that's relatively cheap. If I were to sign a new 2 year contract with them with the Tilt 2, my monthly bill would increase by about $30-$40 dollars with the new data plans they put in place. (I'm on a family plan). I'm due for an upgrade because my HP 910c was unlocked and I didn't have to sign a contract, but I still used it on the AT&T networks. I guess my question is...is there a way to do this with the Tilt 2 ...get it unlocked and still use the data plan I have without having to go through AT&T and have all the sluggish software they install put on the phone. Not to mention I was using CoPilot GPS on my HP 910c and I wanted to be still use that on my Tilt 2 (doesn't AT&T have the GPS locked or charge for the service?) ...I'm not the expert on phones and how carriers change things up so I apologize if I'm completely off in left field with these statements. I know you can also buy the phone...non commitment with AT&T for $550ish, but I'm worried they'd still charge me for some of these services I'm wanting. Soooooooo...
I've looked at these two sites who are selling an unlocked version of the AT&T Tilt 2:
($600) Negri Electronics: http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=2758
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($550) Wireless Networks: http://www.ewirelessexperts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1361
Can anybody recommend one of these sellers and/or tell me if they are legit and point me in the right direction?
OR am I better off just signing a new contract with either AT&T or Verizon. I'm basically trying to find the least expensive way to get this phone and use it how I want to use it. I don't want to be paying extra for monthly services and data plans that I COULD already have available to myself. I really like Verizon's version (I've heard its the closest to the original HTC Touch Pro 2 as far as the software. And that there is virtually no carrier bloat pre-installed...not to mention there's a 3.5mm jack...but that's not a deal breaker for me) ...OR is there anyway I CAN get the Verizon version UNLOCKED and still use it on the AT&T networks somehow? I've heard the 3G bands are different. Could anyone confirm if this is even a possibility? (Also I'm wanting to run Windows Mobile 6.5 on this phone...so I need to take into account how much it would be to upgrade if I did take the Verizon route and when the update would be available)
I definitely want 3G...I know there are unlocked versions of this phone that don't have it and I want to STAY AWAY from that. I've also heard stories that AT&T can somehow detect now when you're using a new phone and switch your SIM card to a different model (and that they can change or start charging you differently if they catch you). BASICALLY ...is there a way to avoid all this and finally get myself an ever-so-lovely Unlocked Touch Pro 2? And...from WHERE?

OK here is the deal. If you want 3G then either find an unlocked version or pay retail for the ATT TP2 549.99. As long as you dont upgrade your account then you are grandfathered in for your data. I would pay the retail price which is cheaper then an unlocked version and then call ATT to get the unlock code. You can remove the bloat ware easy enough, Custom rom.

Does anyone know about the legitimacy of the Negri or Wireless Networks sellers? I'm skeptical to buy it directly from AT&T...Just having to deal with the additional software and having to unlock it...and them possibly noticing a change and changing up the price of my service...just seems like a hassle. I just wanna buy it, get it, put in my SIM card, and live happily ever after with no worries.

TheScPCrew said:
Does anyone know about the legitimacy of the Negri or Wireless Networks sellers? I'm skeptical to buy it directly from AT&T...Just having to deal with the additional software and having to unlock it...and them possibly noticing a change and changing up the price of my service...just seems like a hassle. I just wanna buy it, get it, put in my SIM card, and live happily ever after with no worries.
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No matter where you get it after awhile your IMEI will reg on the system and they will know you are using a TP2. Even with an unlocked version of ATT touch pro 2 it will still come with all the att software as it is the only version that comes with 6.5. If you look at the screen shot it still has the ATT tab in TF3d. I cant say about those places but on the go solutions I have delt with and when I got an unlocked carrier version it still had all the bloatware installed. I called them and they stated that they only unlock them, they dont change anything else.

Will At&T just give you the unlock code... no questions asked? I thought they kept it locked for a reason. And if I buy it from At&T for $550 do I get any kind of warranty if say a part fails on the device?

TheScPCrew said:
Will At&T just give you the unlock code... no questions asked? I thought they kept it locked for a reason. And if I buy it from At&T for $550 do I get any kind of warranty if say a part fails on the device?
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They will give you the unlock code if you buy it out right and tell them you travel overseas. It will have the normal one year warrenty if you buy it at one of the stores. You can always add insurence to the plan when you buy it out right with in 30 days.

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zelendel said:
They will give you the unlock code if you buy it out right and tell them you travel overseas. It will have the normal one year warrenty if you buy it at one of the stores. You can always add insurence to the plan when you buy it out right with in 30 days.
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This only works if you've been with AT&T for at least 3 months. If you're starting a new plan/new account with AT&T, you have to wait 3 months before unlocking your phone. Otherwise, just tell CS that you want it unlocked for overseas travel.

i got my tilt2 directly from att for 425. dont have it unlocked yet, as i dunno if i want to keep the phone or go under a contract (prices are around 99 with 2yr). with contract prices so low, maybe it makes sense to pay the extra $10-15 for their new data plan? especially with att new data plan rules for all smartphones. I'd hate to pay full price and the have att bump me up 2 months or so down the line, when I can't return the phone..

motoq9h said:
i got my tilt2 directly from att for 425. dont have it unlocked yet, as i dunno if i want to keep the phone or go under a contract (prices are around 99 with 2yr). with contract prices so low, maybe it makes sense to pay the extra $10-15 for their new data plan? especially with att new data plan rules for all smartphones. I'd hate to pay full price and the have att bump me up 2 months or so down the line, when I can't return the phone..
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If they bump up prices, you can call them and they HAVE to let you out of your contract, without any penalty at all

i recomend you buy a locked one and unlock it here using Olipro programs , are 100% safe , and locked phones are cheaper

arreguingalindo said:
i recomend you buy a locked one and unlock it here using Olipro programs , are 100% safe , and locked phones are cheaper
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Wow, way to go replying to a thread that's over a year old.

Pros & Cons...? to buy direct from a network or not?

The Desire will be my first smartphone. I wanted to know whether it's recommended to buy direct from a network provider.
T-Mobile seem to have some reasonable deals for the Desire. Do I buy direct from them, or look to somewhere like mobilescouk or another reseller, where I think the phone is unlocked and comes with no network branding? (but the overall price is higher)
From what I've read so far, it looks like the main concerns with buying direct would be about network specific 'crapware', and potential delays in updates to firmware/ROM.
What are the Pros & Cons of either option? Any thoughts please?

My honest opinion is go for T-mobile... my handset will cost 24mths £330. But unlike just buying a handset from somewhere else, I get messages, minutes, internet included!
If want it unlocked I think it will cost £15. Regarding the updates not sure what the difference really is.. its my first Android phone and still learning (and not missing WinMo at all!)

I'm wondering about this myself. I have one on order from clove but my wallet is getting itchy. The 3G signal on t-mobile is dire round here.
[EDIT] SIM only from O2 will have to do I guess...

i ordered mine over telephone from tmobile and waiting for it probably till tuesday
tmobile has the best offers on their webiste, all the other retailers have worst deals, though tmobile has simlocked handsets and retailers dont. but for £15 you can get it unlocked. and service is quite good and no problem with returns if you see any faults.
if you dont want tmobile then dont look at other providers webistes such as vodafone cuz their offer is crap comparing to i.e. mobiles.co.uk
carphone warehouses offer is also really expensive comparing with others however you get your phone straight without waiting etc
retailers tend to mess up delivery times and might have some problems with returns.

I am currently sitting here banging my head against the wall trying to decide what to do aswell.
I'm with 3 on a £15 sim only and very happy with their coverage and i know they are releasing it in 2 weeks or so but i am getting the urge NOW !
It's so frustrating but i want to see what they're going to be offering contract wise.
Buying it unlocked now is going to cost me £400. 18 months with my current sim only on top would be £670.
A T mobile contract would be £434 over 18 months.
Every sensible bone in my body says don't buy it unlocked now but the evil bit inside me is shouting "don't get tied in, do it do it do it do it" 24 hours a day

GGG10 said:
Every sensible bone in my body says don't buy it unlocked now but the evil bit inside me is shouting "don't get tied in, do it do it do it do it" 24 hours a day
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I hear you with that. I've just been stuck with a SE C702 for 18 months and it's completely put me off contracts (and SE!). I'm probably going to wait for mine to come from clove just so I have the 7 day distance selling regs return period. Probably going with O2 PAYG as I hardly make any calls...
[EDIT] Also so I get the generic ROM without needing to do anything. I wouldn't want to kill my phone the first time I bought one SIM-free!

daverave999 said:
I hear you with that. I've just been stuck with a SE C702 for 18 months and it's completely put me off contracts (and SE!). I'm probably going to wait for mine to come from clove just so I have the 7 day distance selling regs return period. Probably going with O2 PAYG as I hardly make any calls...
[EDIT] Also so I get the generic ROM without needing to do anything. I wouldn't want to kill my phone the first time I bought one SIM-free!
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Yea the 7 day return period comes in handy.
Now looks like i will definitely be going unlocked because 3 have just released their contract price and it's not as good as T mobs.
Just have to decide if i keep the £15 sim only now.

Hi - thanks for the comments so far.
If you buy direct from T-Mobile, is the ROM somehow 'locked' - or can you download & install updated ROMs from HTC's website when they're made available?
And if the ROM is T-Mobile 'locked', can any previous T-Mobile HTC phone owners comment on what T-Mobile are like when it comes to updating ROMs?

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Hi - thanks for the comments so far.
If you buy direct from T-Mobile, is the ROM somehow 'locked' - or can you download & install updated ROMs from HTC's website when they're made available?
And if the ROM is T-Mobile 'locked', can any previous T-Mobile HTC phone owners comment on what T-Mobile are like when it comes to updating ROMs?
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t-mobile phones are simlocked but unbranded, you can unlock your phone from their webiste for £15 which takes about a month or for 25Euros if you need it next day(from some website the link i forgot)
and if you decide not to unlock your device you will have to wait for t-mobile to release their version of the software htc released before

GGG10 said:
I am currently sitting here banging my head against the wall trying to decide w o do aswell.
I'm with 3 on a £15 sim only and very happy with their coverage and i know they are releasing it in 2 weeks or so but i am getting the urge NOW !
It's so frustrating but i want to see w hey're going to be offering contract wise.
Buying it unlocked now is going to cost me £400. 18 months with my current sim only on top would be £670.
A T mobile contract would be £434 over 18 months.
Every sensible bone in my body says don't buy it unlocked now but the evil bit inside me is shouting "don't get tied in, do it do it do it do it" 24 hours a day
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if you dont like the idea of being trapped then put it this way, if you have the upfront cash put that into a bank account and use that to pay the monthly bills that way if something new comes out you will be no worse off just buy that and pay off the contract and its still less. just go for it.

cez10 said:
t-mobile phones are simlocked but unbranded, you can unlock your phone from their webiste for £15 which takes about a month or for 25Euros if you need it next day(from some website the link i forgot)
and if you decide not to unlock your device you will have to wait for t-mobile to release their version of the software htc released before
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Are you saying that if I pay T-Mobile to get the phone SIM unlocked, that this would also unlock any restriction that T-Mobile have over the ROM? Is anyone able to confirm this?
TBH, having a T-Mobile 'tweaked' ROM, instead of an up-to-date HTC ROM, is the one thing that's putting me off from buying from T-Mobile. Looking at the threads about today's OTA firmware update, it appears T-Mobile are already behind the game. Or am I just worrying about something that I don't really need to?

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Are you saying that if I pay T-Mobile to get the phone SIM unlocked, that this would also unlock any restriction that T-Mobile have over the ROM? Is anyone able to confirm this?
TBH, having a T-Mobile 'tweaked' ROM, instead of an up-to-date HTC ROM, is the one thing that's putting me off from buying from T-Mobile. Looking at the threads about today's OTA firmware update, it appears T-Mobile are already behind the game. Or am I just worrying about something that I don't really need to?
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I am not 100% sure if unlocking debrands the phone as well
De-branding basically means removing awful operator firmware, and replacing it with the manufacturers original firmware. Hence converting your phone to the full spec as it was intended by the manufacturer. (the way it should be)
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I think your worrying about something you dont need to t-mobile have the best offers on the market so far andI dont think it will change quickly, even if you choose to unlock your phone youre still saving money comparing to other retailers prices
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honest opinion please.

I am on the verge of purchasing this phone from Verizon but I am just wondering do you guys think that the devs will be able to unlock the boot loader?. Or is it highly unlikely?

You should buy it from Google Store, that's an honest opinion.

egren58 said:
I am on the verge of purchasing this phone from Verizon but I am just wondering do you guys think that the devs will be able to unlock the boot loader?. Or is it highly unlikely?
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I would say no but maybe one day

egren58 said:
I am on the verge of purchasing this phone from Verizon but I am just wondering do you guys think that the devs will be able to unlock the boot loader?. Or is it highly unlikely?
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Highly unlikely I would guess. I think you can get it from the google store tho and have it activated on verizon network still, from what I have read. That version would come ready to be unlocked.

frch0603 said:
Highly unlikely I would guess. I think you can get it from the google store tho and have it activated on verizon network still, from what I have read. That version would come ready to be unlocked.
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I am not even on Verizon . lol I'm on tmbile but Google rep said about a month until they go back up for sale. There is one on craiglist for 1,000$ for 32 GB idk if I should make the move or not.

egren58 said:
I am not even on Verizon . lol I'm on tmbile but Google rep said about a month until they go back up for sale. There is one on craiglist for 1,000$ for 32 GB idk if I should make the move or not.
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I definitely would not buy the Verizon one with the expectation of using it on any carrier besides verizon.

frch0603 said:
I definitely would not buy the Verizon one with the expectation of using it on any carrier besides verizon.
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Is factory unlocked from my end

Negotiating a 32gb google edition..

frch0603 said:
I definitely would not buy the Verizon one with the expectation of using it on any carrier besides verizon.
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Why wouldn't you buy a "Verizon version with expectation of using it on another carrier"?
I bought a Verizon version last night from Best Buy (im not really worried about unlocking the bootloader at this point. Been doing it for years lol ) and put my T-Mobile sim card in and it worked immediately.
All these Google Pixel phones are carrier unlocked. Every single one. The only difference is that the Verizon version currently cannot be Bootloader unlocked, but I'm sure it will someday.

I would say buy from google if you really want to have an unlocked bootloader. I wont say it will never be unlocked but i think there will be very few working on it for the simple fact that you can buy an unlocked version. I would have bought it from google but it was more cost effective for me to buy it from Verizon.

Honest opinion = It is highly unlikely!

Most likely not since there is an google verison that comes with an unlocked bootloader for the same price.

I'm with verizon but bought it from the Google store. I am thinking about switching carriers sometime soon so I don't want to be stuck with monthly payments from Verizon on a device that won't be used on their carrier. That's why I did Google finance. Plus I already give too much money to Verizon each month. Bootloader being unlocked or not doesn't bother me but some people will want root and one day I may root and I want that option.

Yeahci will just wait till its available again. I'm on tmobile and I will never leave. Lol I only pay 50$ for unlimited everything

egren58 said:
Yeahci will just wait till its available again. I'm on tmobile and I will never leave. Lol I only pay 50$ for unlimited everything
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Same here. My wife is on Verizon and I looked at adding a line. If I buy it outright (pixel xl) I don't get the big credit for my V10, only fair market value and I don't get the free data bump either. At the end of the day, staying with T-Mobile with unlimited data just makes sense

TheFuzz said:
Same here. My wife is on Verizon and I looked at adding a line. If I buy it outright (pixel xl) I don't get the big credit for my V10, only fair market value and I don't get the free data bump either. At the end of the day, staying with T-Mobile with unlimited data just makes sense
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Yeah man ilove being grandfather in. I scanned a copy of my original contract, and a few times they tried to switch my plans to the new jump and I was like nope I have a SIGNED contract. Lol LOVE IT!! also I can't get throttle after using 20+ gigs of data.

Never buy a phone for what it MIGHT do in the future.
If you need root/unlocked bootloader buy a phone that already has that.
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So I will let the hypedye down now I'll just stick to 7.1.1 on the 6p. And than I'll sell my 6p and op3 to buy the xl in the coming months.

It seems there are too many Verizon models running around now that somehow came with an unlockable bootloader.... makes me think there is a better chance at the devs finding a way. Mostly just a hunch but....
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Will an at&t sim in verizon model prevent software updates?

Sprint Z2 Force sim unlock

Is the Sprint version unlocked for use in GSM/UMTS networks outside US? And what about bootloader unlock possibility?

T-Mobile and Sprint Z2 can have their bootloader unlocked.
As for unlocking the Sim that I have no idea.
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I think as far as a sim unlocked device for u.s carriers the one from Verizon has the best combo of CDMA and GSM radios. I always buy Verizon. Usually works on anything I put in it. More radios means more options and possible matches for outside u.s

I am on AT&T and wanted to jump ship when I found out the bootloader was locked. After speaking with some employees and being assured it would work I bought a T-Mobile model outright from ebay. Despite the device having a clean imei and not being linked to any account I can't sim unlock it until 40 days after its been activated on T-Mobile's network, rendering the device useless to me. I even tried cellunlocker.net to no avail.
I am pretty sure sprint has a similar rule, perhaps even more strict. I think unless you can confirm in writing that it can be unlocked then and there you're better off passing. If you do go that route and it works, please let me know, I still have 12 days to return and cancel with AT&T.

filthyfnj24 said:
I am on AT&T and wanted to jump ship when I found out the bootloader was locked. After speaking with some employees and being assured it would work I bought a T-Mobile model outright from ebay. Despite the device having a clean imei and not being linked to any account I can't sim unlock it until 40 days after its been activated on T-Mobile's network, rendering the device useless to me. I even tried cellunlocker.net to no avail.
I am pretty sure sprint has a similar rule, perhaps even more strict. I think unless you can confirm in writing that it can be unlocked then and there you're better off passing. If you do go that route and it works, please let me know, I still have 12 days to return and cancel with AT&T.
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It doesn't need to be active for 40 days. The account needs to be 40 days. All you need is for one person who has an account that is older than 40 days use the phone for a day or two to make sure the system sees it. Viola unlocked after that.
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Tidbits said:
It doesn't need to be active for 40 days. The account needs to be 40 days. All you need is for one person who has an account that is older than 40 days use the phone for a day or two to make sure the system sees it. Viola unlocked after that.
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Are you sure? I still have the phone. This might be worth a try.

filthyfnj24 said:
Are you sure? I still have the phone. This might be worth a try.
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I've unlocked roughly 20 devices. Some the day I bought them. If it was 40 days I would have returned them and bought the unlocked version. I think I posted on the S7E forums I unlocked the very next day I got it. Others have as well, and that 40 day timeline was still there. Unless T-Mobile changed something recently. Now the catch if you do this and it works that person has the power to lock your phone if reported lost or stolen.
I am on JOD with this phone and don't feel like paying it off until I see how support for Oreo from Lenovo and also developer support happens.
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I've unlocked roughly 20 devices. Some the day I bought them. If it was 40 days I would have returned them and bought the unlocked version. I think I posted on the S7E forums I unlocked the very next day I got it. Others have as well, and that 40 day timeline was still there. Unless T-Mobile changed something recently. Now the catch if you do this and it works that person has the power to lock your phone if reported lost or stolen.
I am on JOD with this phone and don't feel like paying it off until I see how support for Oreo from Lenovo and also developer support happens.
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Jod? I'm not sure I know anyone on T-Mobile, I had it over 10 years ago and the reception was garbage in my area. Most people here have AT&T or Verizon. Ideally I could buy a black sprint one and have it unlocked for AT&T and unlock the bootloader and wait for development.
I have been slowly getting used to not having root or finding work arounds to things I frequently used...but I'd like to have my cake and eat it too.

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Jod? I'm not sure I know anyone on T-Mobile, I had it over 10 years ago and the reception was garbage in my area. Most people here have AT&T or Verizon. Ideally I could buy a black sprint one and have it unlocked for AT&T and unlock the bootloader and wait for development.
I have been slowly getting used to not having root or finding work arounds to things I frequently used...but I'd like to have my cake and eat it too.
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Jump on Demand. It's their leasing program. I can switch devices every 30 days if I wanted to. Of course may have to put a down payment and taxes every time I do, but some devices I buy outright mainly for my wife, and kids. They are not like me always willing to try the new. Saves me time trying to sell poorly supported devices.
Too bad you don't live near me. I haven't unlocked a device device this year. I could have tried to help you out but would need the device physically for a couple days.
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That's brilliant. I think AT&T has something similar but I think it's every 6 months, not every 30 days.

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That's brilliant. I think AT&T has something similar but I think it's every 6 months, not every 30 days.
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T-Mobile used to be 3 times a year. They switched it to 30 days recently.
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I'm in the same situation. Outright purchased the device, and the only way I can get it unlocked reasonably soon, is to activate a prepaid account and add at least $100 to the prepaid balance. Not sure if I'm reading it right, so correct me if I'm wondering, but according to the unlock bill passed in 2015, it sounds like they are required under federal law to unlock a device that is In good standing (no contract, no balance owed on the device or account). Which is why it's easy to unlock a device on literally any other US carrier.

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I'm in the same situation. Outright purchased the device, and the only way I can get it unlocked reasonably soon, is to activate a prepaid account and add at least $100 to the prepaid balance. Not sure if I'm reading it right, so correct me if I'm wondering, but according to the unlock bill passed in 2015, it sounds like they are required under federal law to unlock a device that is In good standing (no contract, no balance owed on the device or account). Which is why it's easy to unlock a device on literally any other US carrier.
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You are not reading it correctly. You have to be a CURRENT or FORMER customer to get it unlocked provided you met the criteria.
If you were never a customer you can have additional conditions or costs.
I have not to date at my work place able to unlock an AT&T phone out of box without first activating it with our company account.
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/cell-phone-unlocking-faqs
Will I be charged fees to unlock my device?
Participating providers may not charge existing or former customers additional fees to unlock a device if it is eligible to be unlocked. Providers may charge a fee to unlock eligible devices for non-customers and former customers
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Update to a strange, but fortunate series of events. So I put the T-Mobile model up for sale when I found out I couldn't easily have it unlocked for AT&T. I put it up on eBay, priced to sell and was clear in my listing it is locked to T-Mobile.
The phone sold the same day. Now I've been buying and selling online since 2009 and have learned the number one rule the hard way...never mail anything until payment is clear. Sure enough, the buyer STILL has not paid. It's been 4 days. He has until tomorrow evening to pay or eBay will step in and from my understanding I get to keep the phone and eBay pays the final sale price.
Now I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch, but if this goes down the way I think it will I will be desperately trying to unlock the T-Mobile one and will be returning the AT&T model.
At this point I'm pretty invested in the Moto z ecosystem. Today my wife's birthday present came in. I got her a white and gold z force locked to Verizon. Next I think I'll be getting some mods.

filthyfnj24 said:
Update to a strange, but fortunate series of events. So I put the T-Mobile model up for sale when I found out I couldn't easily have it unlocked for AT&T. I put it up on eBay, priced to sell and was clear in my listing it is locked to T-Mobile.
The phone sold the same day. Now I've been buying and selling online since 2009 and have learned the number one rule the hard way...never mail anything until payment is clear. Sure enough, the buyer STILL has not paid. It's been 4 days. He has until tomorrow evening to pay or eBay will step in and from my understanding I get to keep the phone and eBay pays the final sale price.
Now I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch, but if this goes down the way I think it will I will be desperately trying to unlock the T-Mobile one and will be returning the AT&T model.
At this point I'm pretty invested in the Moto z ecosystem. Today my wife's birthday present came in. I got her a white and gold z force locked to Verizon. Next I think I'll be getting some mods.
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Well if you get the cash and you can keep the phone just start a $100 prepaid account and unlock the phone. Keep the $100 account in a ppu and just drop like $3 every so often and use it to keep the account active. Then at any time you need to unlock a phone just pop that Sim in first use it once then let it sit.
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Tidbits said:
Well if you get the cash and you can keep the phone just start a $100 prepaid account and unlock the phone. Keep the $100 account in a ppu and just drop like $3 every so often and use it to keep the account active. Then at any time you need to unlock a phone just pop that Sim in first use it once then let it sit.
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If I do that won't I have the bogus 40 day waiting period?

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If I do that won't I have the bogus 40 day waiting period?
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I believe so. Let me double check the customer forums. I am pretty sure you don't have to wait the 40 days. Just a couple days for the system to register the phone. I remember reading it on their forums that what a lot of them do.
40 day is for post paid as I believe their gross profit is $100 if a person is locked I to paying for 2 months of service. But yah checking their forums for the threads.
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Ok yep you don't have to wait 40 days. That's for postpaid requirements. Buy a sim kit, then put in $100 refill and viola you can request an unlock. Bad thing you'd have to put in $100 for every device you want to unlock.
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1588
Unlock eligibility for Pay in Advance (Prepaid) phones, tablets, and mobile Internet devices
The device on the requesting line has been active for more than one year on the T-Mobile network.
If the device has been active for less than one year on the requesting line, the Pay in Advance account associated with the device must have had more than $100 in refills since device first use date. $100 in total refills is required for each device that is requested to be unlocked and does not include the initial activation payment.

It's an informative post but leaves no solution to my situation.
I bought an T-mobile Z2 Force, never activated, from eBay. I don't have a T-mobile account and I live outside of US. The phone is on the way shipping to my country and I am afraid I have no means to unlock it

oushouseki said:
It's an informative post but leaves no solution to my situation.
I bought an T-mobile Z2 Force, never activated, from eBay. I don't have a T-mobile account and I live outside of US. The phone is on the way shipping to my country and I am afraid I have no means to unlock it
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Yah the thing that sucks with Any US carrier devices need to be activated in order to unlock. Most people even in the US don't even know that.
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Tidbits said:
Yah the thing that sucks with Any US carrier devices need to be activated in order to unlock. Most people even in the US don't even know that.
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Will have to try some of the unlock service provider listed on eBay...any good ones you experienced before?

Question T-mobile unlock?

I am considering a T-mobile version of the Op9 pro because it would be substantially cheaper for me, but I like to have my phone rooted. How difficult would it be to unlock and root the tmob version of the phone?

I went through this exact questioning process when I bought my OP7Pro from T-Mobile 2 years ago. I did that because it was cheaper, but the only way to root is to first get T-Mobile to unlock the device, which they will not do if you're making payments on the phone. Luckily there was someone here at XDA who had a connection at T-Mobile and was able to have them unlock it for me.
So the choices seem to be:
1) Pay off the phone and then T-Mobile will unlock it.
2) Have a connection at T-Mobile (or good persuasion skills) and get them to unlock it against policy.
3) Buy from the manufacturer or another vendor so it's already unlocked.
This time I went with Option 3, even though it will cost me a bit more.

terlynn4 said:
I went through this exact questioning process when I bought my OP7Pro from T-Mobile 2 years ago. I did that because it was cheaper, but the only way to root is to first get T-Mobile to unlock the device, which they will not do if you're making payments on the phone. Luckily there was someone here at XDA who had a connection at T-Mobile and was able to have them unlock it for me.
So the choices seem to be:
1) Pay off the phone and then T-Mobile will unlock it.
2) Have a connection at T-Mobile (or good persuasion skills) and get them to unlock it against policy.
3) Buy from the manufacturer or another vendor so it's already unlocked.
This time I went with Option 3, even though it will cost me a bit more.
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Ha! Same exact position I was in with my OP7Pro. Hated myself for going the T-Mo purchase route as it took a long time to unlock and then eventually flash the International ROM to get rid of the T-Mo one it shipped with.
For those getting it from T-Mobile in installments (like I did with my OP7Pro), what worked for me was reaching out to T-Mo support on Twitter (@TMobileHelp). DM them and tell them you're traveling and need the phone unlocked before you travel. Took a couple of tries to get a nice enough rep to unlock it for me. YMMV.
Can't wait til I get my OP9Pro!

eddy g said:
Ha! Same exact position I was in with my OP7Pro. Hated myself for going the T-Mo purchase route as it took a long time to unlock and then eventually flash the International ROM to get rid of the T-Mo one it shipped with.
For those getting it from T-Mobile in installments (like I did with my OP7Pro), what worked for me was reaching out to T-Mo support on Twitter (@TMobileHelp). DM them and tell them you're traveling and need the phone unlocked before you travel. Took a couple of tries to get a nice enough rep to unlock it for me. YMMV.
Can't wait til I get my OP9Pro!
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Interesting, I'm surprised that worked. I do travel to a place without T-Mobile service to visit family once in awhile, and they only did a temporary unlock for me in the past (10-day? 30-day? I don't remember). I never tried telling them I was going on a longer trip. Good to know in case there's a next time!

T-Mobile, even when paying full price up front, will not unlock the phone for 40 days. The only advantages to buying the phone directly from T-Mobile is carrier bill financing (though their trade in offer is disappointing), and roaming on US Cellular/Nex-Tech (IMEI whitelist bull involved...).
If those aren't needed, then buying direct from OnePlus or a retailer like Best Buy (they are doing preorders now) is a better option.

I've done this on the three oneplus devices I bought from T-Mo; Got on twitter (at least one business day after purchase so the device is updated in their system) and tell them I need it unlocked so my company can install their security software. This time I went with a direct-buy from Oneplus for the 9 Pro though - just me not wanting to have to deal with that again. Of note, my account with T-Mobile has been active and in good standing for over 10 years, which may have affected their willingness to unlock so quickly while device was still on EIP. It may not work for you if you have a new account or have late/missed payments.

After 4 days all devices can be unlocked even if on a JOD or EIP
It's all about how nice & patient your willing to be towards the rep......