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Unlocked AT&T Tilt 2 (Touch Pro 2)

I'm in a dilemma and in need of some advice. I'm in the market for a new Windows Mobile Phone. The last phone I had (The HP Ipaq 910c) went sour on me 3 times before I finally sold it off. I've been using a phone that's 8 years old for the past several months...trying to patiently wait for the Touch Pro 2 on AT&T.
Here's my problem...I'm on an unlimited data plan right now with AT&T that's relatively cheap. If I were to sign a new 2 year contract with them with the Tilt 2, my monthly bill would increase by about $30-$40 dollars with the new data plans they put in place. (I'm on a family plan). I'm due for an upgrade because my HP 910c was unlocked and I didn't have to sign a contract, but I still used it on the AT&T networks. I guess my question is...is there a way to do this with the Tilt 2 ...get it unlocked and still use the data plan I have without having to go through AT&T and have all the sluggish software they install put on the phone. Not to mention I was using CoPilot GPS on my HP 910c and I wanted to be still use that on my Tilt 2 (doesn't AT&T have the GPS locked or charge for the service?) ...I'm not the expert on phones and how carriers change things up so I apologize if I'm completely off in left field with these statements. I know you can also buy the phone...non commitment with AT&T for $550ish, but I'm worried they'd still charge me for some of these services I'm wanting. Soooooooo...
I've looked at these two sites who are selling an unlocked version of the AT&T Tilt 2:
($600) Negri Electronics: http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=2758
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($550) Wireless Networks: http://www.ewirelessexperts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1361
Can anybody recommend one of these sellers and/or tell me if they are legit and point me in the right direction?
OR am I better off just signing a new contract with either AT&T or Verizon. I'm basically trying to find the least expensive way to get this phone and use it how I want to use it. I don't want to be paying extra for monthly services and data plans that I COULD already have available to myself. I really like Verizon's version (I've heard its the closest to the original HTC Touch Pro 2 as far as the software. And that there is virtually no carrier bloat pre-installed...not to mention there's a 3.5mm jack...but that's not a deal breaker for me) ...OR is there anyway I CAN get the Verizon version UNLOCKED and still use it on the AT&T networks somehow? I've heard the 3G bands are different. Could anyone confirm if this is even a possibility? (Also I'm wanting to run Windows Mobile 6.5 on this phone...so I need to take into account how much it would be to upgrade if I did take the Verizon route and when the update would be available)
I definitely want 3G...I know there are unlocked versions of this phone that don't have it and I want to STAY AWAY from that. I've also heard stories that AT&T can somehow detect now when you're using a new phone and switch your SIM card to a different model (and that they can change or start charging you differently if they catch you). BASICALLY ...is there a way to avoid all this and finally get myself an ever-so-lovely Unlocked Touch Pro 2? And...from WHERE?

OK here is the deal. If you want 3G then either find an unlocked version or pay retail for the ATT TP2 549.99. As long as you dont upgrade your account then you are grandfathered in for your data. I would pay the retail price which is cheaper then an unlocked version and then call ATT to get the unlock code. You can remove the bloat ware easy enough, Custom rom.

Does anyone know about the legitimacy of the Negri or Wireless Networks sellers? I'm skeptical to buy it directly from AT&T...Just having to deal with the additional software and having to unlock it...and them possibly noticing a change and changing up the price of my service...just seems like a hassle. I just wanna buy it, get it, put in my SIM card, and live happily ever after with no worries.

TheScPCrew said:
Does anyone know about the legitimacy of the Negri or Wireless Networks sellers? I'm skeptical to buy it directly from AT&T...Just having to deal with the additional software and having to unlock it...and them possibly noticing a change and changing up the price of my service...just seems like a hassle. I just wanna buy it, get it, put in my SIM card, and live happily ever after with no worries.
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No matter where you get it after awhile your IMEI will reg on the system and they will know you are using a TP2. Even with an unlocked version of ATT touch pro 2 it will still come with all the att software as it is the only version that comes with 6.5. If you look at the screen shot it still has the ATT tab in TF3d. I cant say about those places but on the go solutions I have delt with and when I got an unlocked carrier version it still had all the bloatware installed. I called them and they stated that they only unlock them, they dont change anything else.

Will At&T just give you the unlock code... no questions asked? I thought they kept it locked for a reason. And if I buy it from At&T for $550 do I get any kind of warranty if say a part fails on the device?

TheScPCrew said:
Will At&T just give you the unlock code... no questions asked? I thought they kept it locked for a reason. And if I buy it from At&T for $550 do I get any kind of warranty if say a part fails on the device?
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They will give you the unlock code if you buy it out right and tell them you travel overseas. It will have the normal one year warrenty if you buy it at one of the stores. You can always add insurence to the plan when you buy it out right with in 30 days.

Getting your AT&T phone unlocked
zelendel said:
They will give you the unlock code if you buy it out right and tell them you travel overseas. It will have the normal one year warrenty if you buy it at one of the stores. You can always add insurence to the plan when you buy it out right with in 30 days.
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This only works if you've been with AT&T for at least 3 months. If you're starting a new plan/new account with AT&T, you have to wait 3 months before unlocking your phone. Otherwise, just tell CS that you want it unlocked for overseas travel.

i got my tilt2 directly from att for 425. dont have it unlocked yet, as i dunno if i want to keep the phone or go under a contract (prices are around 99 with 2yr). with contract prices so low, maybe it makes sense to pay the extra $10-15 for their new data plan? especially with att new data plan rules for all smartphones. I'd hate to pay full price and the have att bump me up 2 months or so down the line, when I can't return the phone..

motoq9h said:
i got my tilt2 directly from att for 425. dont have it unlocked yet, as i dunno if i want to keep the phone or go under a contract (prices are around 99 with 2yr). with contract prices so low, maybe it makes sense to pay the extra $10-15 for their new data plan? especially with att new data plan rules for all smartphones. I'd hate to pay full price and the have att bump me up 2 months or so down the line, when I can't return the phone..
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If they bump up prices, you can call them and they HAVE to let you out of your contract, without any penalty at all

i recomend you buy a locked one and unlock it here using Olipro programs , are 100% safe , and locked phones are cheaper

arreguingalindo said:
i recomend you buy a locked one and unlock it here using Olipro programs , are 100% safe , and locked phones are cheaper
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Wow, way to go replying to a thread that's over a year old.

[Q] SIM Unlock

I basically got this phone because it is GSM and I plan on doing more traveling outside of the country. Its not worth getting the TP2 or BB Bold instead of my EVO, so I went with this instead. I wont be leaving again until January 1st, but I need to get this thing SIM unlocked asap. Anyone have one unlocked? How did you get it unlocked and what will it cost me.

Shoot me a PM. I can get you unlocked.

You know... it's cool that you developed a way to unlock phones and want to get paid for it, but you could at least lay out the other option: calling T-mo and getting the unlock code FOR FREE.

If you are a post-paid TMO customer in good standing, you can get one phone unlocked per line every 90 days for free. Call TMO customer care.

Yes after 90 days.
If you choose to wait. IF you want it now. me

It's not after 90 days. He should call them first and then come back to you if he doesn't want to wait (if he even has to wait). I believe the T Mo rep said you had to either paid the phone in full or be a customer for 40 days when I called.

I paid full and tmobile provided me the unlock codes 1 week after I got the phone. My G2 is unlocked.
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rhcp0112345 said:
Yes after 90 days.
If you choose to wait. IF you want it now. me
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I called TMO the day I got my G2. I had the unlock code the next day before lunch.

I called today and put my request in the the unlock code. The only reason I had to wait is I haven't paid in full for the phone yet. She said it would take about 24 hours. RHCP, I've seen you in so many threads pimping your ability to unlock people for $$$... pretty despicable if you ask me especially when it's easy to just call and get it for free.

I am not sure I would characterize offering an unlock code for a fee as despicable. He's not forcing you to use his service, just offering it. I chose to call T-Mobile and request it for free, but that being said, I have certainly paid for unlocking in the past.
My (unrequested two cents), call TMO and get the code emailed to you. If you are not eligible, playing someone to do it is also an option. There have been reports of the phone not connecting to any networks after unlocking. If you get the code from TMO, at least, you might have some recourse if you have to return the phone.

Understood, just the way he's doing it. If he said "Call T-mo, but if it's a long wait then I can do it.", then I would view it in a more positive light. Right now, it looks like he's hoping for some sap that doesn't know they can call T-mobile to get it will pay him for something they can get for free.

I'm guessing T-Mobile would just ignore my request as I'm not a customer...

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that's true. You should definitely call them.

Any other ATT users getting the Tmobile one? Also what's the chance of unlocking?

Any other AT&T users who feel burned by the Note 3 Root fiasco going with a full price Tmobile Note 4 to use on AT&T? I know first question is why not switch to Tmobile, well in my area they don't have good coverage so it's not an option. I plan on signing up for their $40 plan, paying full price for the phone, trading in my old iPhone 4 for $50 and getting the remainder $150 rebate from Samsung then shutting off Tmobile service as soon as I get home.
The only issue with my plan is Tmobile requires 40 days of service before they unlock your phone. Anyone care to guess how long it will take an aftermarket company to have the ability to unlock the Tmobile Note 4 for a fee?

I am in the same boat. I will keep my T plan and just want to purchase the full price TMOB phone. I was unaware I needed to start service with TMOB to buy one. Perhaps my sister who is a TMOB customer will buy it for me. I am not sure the LTE frequencies are the same for TMOB and T. I see some threads that say for the Note that it will work but I am note sure if that is for 3G or LTE. I require LTE or I'll just look at other phones. I am still on a subsidized phone plan so I may just pre-order the T locked crapola phone and sell it discounted to recoupe the part of TMOB phone cost. But I too am looking for confirmation that the TMOB boot loader will be unlocked.
This locked boot loader is a bunch of BS!

Same here. I want to confirm it will be rootable.
I also didn't realize you have to go onto their plan to purchase. I'd think if paying full price it wouldn't be a requirement.
I'll be watching. I'm anxious, but need to be patient.

Well I'm not 100% sure you have to sign up for a plan, I'm just not sure how much resistance or BS you will encounter if you just walk in and say you want a full price phone without getting a plan, IE: without making the rep any money. Maybe it's possible to just buy it outright on the website, I think there is also an option to trade in your phone then because you need to prove a trade in to get the $200 Samsung rebate.
I think the issue is to get it unlocked you have to have it on a Tmobile plan for 40 days. So it's going to have to be an unlocking service that is aftermarket. Do these aftermarket unlocking service typically have access to unlock codes immediately when a new phone is released?

Att user here i will be getting the tmob.. as its official that att and verizon Will not sell devices with unlocked bootladers anymore..
So tmob here i come.. shouldnt take long for xda to come up with an unlock....
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Funny ATT and VZW is not afraid to give more business to Tmo. Thats interesting and good for Tmo.

I plan on buying the t-mobile note 4 at full retail price than paying like 10 or less to unlock it from an online site. I then have a note 4 at a lower price than att outright and hopefully a modable phone

Last year I initially bought the Note 3 on ATT and then later bought the t mobile version off of ebay for full retail unlocked. Then returned my ATT version to best buy.
I tried to buy the t mobile version directly from T mobile, but they would not sell to me without my getting a plan. It was going to cost me quite a bit extra to do it that way so I just went to ebay. Swappa may be another option.

drmacrofish said:
Last year I initially bought the Note 3 on ATT and then later bought the t mobile version off of ebay for full retail unlocked. Then returned my ATT version to best buy.
I tried to buy the t mobile version directly from T mobile, but they would not sell to me without my getting a plan. It was going to cost me quite a bit extra to do it that way so I just went to ebay. Swappa may be another option.
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Best buy looks like the best option if they have the Tmobile version next week. They are giving a $200 gift card for any traded in phone, which is as good as the Samsung rebate if you like to spend money at BB. You can also just order it full price on the internet no questions asked, no pushy reps.
What do you guys think of warranty issues though? With a ATT phone I'd just go to the ATT warranty center. Since I won't have a Tmobile account I don't think Tmobile will help me with warranty issues. I guess I'm stuck with Samsung for warranty issues. Will a Samsung kiosk take the phone and replace it or send it in, or do I have to deal with Samsung directly?

spinedoc said:
Best buy looks like the best option if they have the Tmobile version next week. They are giving a $200 gift card for any traded in phone, which is as good as the Samsung rebate if you like to spend money at BB. You can also just order it full price on the internet no questions asked, no pushy reps.
What do you guys think of warranty issues though? With a ATT phone I'd just go to the ATT warranty center. Since I won't have a Tmobile account I don't think Tmobile will help me with warranty issues. I guess I'm stuck with Samsung for warranty issues. Will a Samsung kiosk take the phone and replace it or send it in, or do I have to deal with Samsung directly?
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Best Buy doesn't carry T-Mobile phones or plans other than the prepaid stuff. That's why T-Mobile is excluded from the Best Buy promotion. Amazon also doesn't carry T-Mobile phones/plans other than the prepaid stuff.
You'll need to send it in.

Bleh, I guess I'm stuck with Tmobile and faking their cheapest plan then cancelling when I get home. Oh well, at least I can trade my old iPhone in for the Samsung promo. $549 is not a bad deal for the N4 at all.

Can anyone who has bought a TMOB phone please verify they actually get LTE service on T? Looking at the LTE bands, it appears T verse TMOB used different bands in the same frequency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks

Flame Red said:
Can anyone who has bought a TMOB phone please verify they actually get LTE service on T? Looking at the LTE bands, it appears T verse TMOB used different bands in the same frequency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
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Yup, many people get ATT LTE with tmobile phones. Here is a very large thread in the note 3 section on everything you need to know.

See my signature.
I'll never buy another AT&T phone as long as they keep locking the bootloader and going out of their way to prevent root.
T-Mobile S5 got root (and recovery option) the first week it was released. First day maybe even?
AT&T S5 didn't get root until what, seven freaking weeks after release?
This year though, I'm seriously considering just leaving AT&T all together and going with both TMO phone AND plan.
Their coverage in my area is actually better than ATT in some places.
I'm not in a rush to leave my Note 3 behind though.
I'm running an AOSP/CM/Slim based ROM that is absolutely rock solid stable, fast and great battery life and has tons of customization options.
It would be several months before the Note 4 gets a really good AOSP ROM.

A relative of mine has a TMOB plan and I asked them to pre-order the phone for me. They said that TMOB requires you to have a the "jump" plan which they did not use so they would not let them pre-order it.
I assume someone on Flea-Bay will sell unlocked TMOB Note 4 eventually. I guess I'll just have to wait for those to show up. Unless there will eventually is another source without a plan?
Or are all of you preordering them here and then will just cancel the service after you receive it and pay the balance?

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A relative of mine has a TMOB plan and I asked them to pre-order the phone for me. They said that TMOB requires you to have a the "jump" plan which they did not use so they would not let them pre-order it.
I assume someone on Flea-Bay will sell unlocked TMOB Note 4 eventually. I guess I'll just have to wait for those to show up. Unless there will eventually is another source without a plan?
Or are all of you preordering them here and then will just cancel the service after you receive it and pay the balance?
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Yeah I'm just grabbing it off the website, I'm assuming my plan won't start until I actually activate the phone. As soon as I get the phone delivered I'll cancel the plan and hopefully they don't charge me the first month. Only 2 things I'm not sure of are:
1) They are charging me a $50 deposit versus the first months service, will I get this back? It also says within 12 months!?!? Still I'm ok with it as it's cheaper than the ATT one.
2) What happens to the $22 credit they are giving me for my old phone trade in? I won't have a bill to apply it to, will this get lost?

I have the tmobile note 3 and the at&t note 3,I have at&t service as tmobile service sucks were I am.I bought the tmobile note 3 last year from tmobile full price from store got the cheapest plan then shut it off the next day.I got it unlocked when I got home for 15 bucks from unlock service out of the play store in about an hour.I will never buy a At&t phone again unless the bootloader is unlocked.It took forever just to get root access on the at&t model thats why I bought the tmobile note 3.I can live without the roms but not root.I can assure you I get the same at%t service on my tmobile note 3 as the at&t note 3 including lte on the tmobile note 3.I will be picking up the tmobile note 4 .I want the note edge but there no release date yet so the note 4 will do until I can get the note edge,which will also be picking up the tmobile model using it with at&t service.

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A relative of mine has a TMOB plan and I asked them to pre-order the phone for me. They said that TMOB requires you to have a the "jump" plan which they did not use so they would not let them pre-order it.
I assume someone on Flea-Bay will sell unlocked TMOB Note 4 eventually. I guess I'll just have to wait for those to show up. Unless there will eventually is another source without a plan?
Or are all of you preordering them here and then will just cancel the service after you receive it and pay the balance?
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That's what I'll be doing.
I've been reading through the Note 3 TMobile-->AT&T thread and am hoping I don't screw up AT&T LTE service if they have my IMEI. (Or lose my grandfathered unlimited plan)
However, I probably just don't fully understand the process yet.

groovadelickun said:
That's what I'll be doing.
I've been reading through the Note 3 TMobile-->AT&T thread and am hoping I don't screw up AT&T LTE service if they have my IMEI. (Or lose my grandfathered unlimited plan)
However, I probably just don't fully understand the process yet.
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I have the grandfathered unlimited plan also, been using the tmobile note 3 on at&t and I haven't lost my lte or unlimited plan for about a year now.

gubbilo144 said:
I have the tmobile note 3 and the at&t note 3,I have at&t service as tmobile service sucks were I am.I bought the tmobile note 3 last year from tmobile full price from store got the cheapest plan then shut it off the next day.I got it unlocked when I got home for 15 bucks from unlock service out of the play store in about an hour.I will never buy a At&t phone again unless the bootloader is unlocked.It took forever just to get root access on the at&t model thats why I bought the tmobile note 3.I can live without the roms but not root.I can assure you I get the same at%t service on my tmobile note 3 as the at&t note 3 including lte on the tmobile note 3.I will be picking up the tmobile note 4 .I want the note edge but there no release date yet so the note 4 will do until I can get the note edge,which will also be picking up the tmobile model using it with at&t service.
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I am not sure how big a PITA it will be to cancel TMOB service the day I receive the phone. Will they hit me with charges other than the cost of the phone and the $10 for the SIM?
It does not sound like the day I receive it I could just stick in my T SIM and go since it comes locked (I assume). Folks with Note 3 experience, please chime in if I am wrong.
Plus, I assume the phone will be locked to TMOB. I was reading that they will unlock it after 45 days, but I wonder if you cancel the service if that is true. I guess someone will offer an unlock service for a nominal amount eventually.
Cancellation and Returns. Service Cancellation: You can cancel a new line of Service, and if applicable, not pay an Early Termination Fee, if you cancel WITHIN 14 DAYS of activating that new line of Service (some states may differ – ask your sales representative) (“Cancellation Period”). You remain responsible for all Charges incurred through the date of cancellation. To cancel Service during the Cancellation Period, you may be required to go to the place where you activated Service and return any T-Mobile Device you acquired at the time of activation. You must return your T-Mobile Device in its package with all original contents, undamaged and in good working condition with no material alterations to the Device’s hardware or software. If you do not return your T-Mobile Device or if you return your T-Mobile Device in a damaged, altered or destroyed condition, we may take one or more of the following actions: (a) prevent your T-Mobile Device from working on any network; (b) charge you the Early Termination Fee(if your line of Service is subject to an early termination fee); (c) elect not to process your Service cancellation; or (d) charge you the suggested retail price or the cost to repair a damaged, destroyed, or non-returned T-Mobile Device, (which may be greater than the price you paid), plus any shipping and handling charges. Device Refunds and Restocking Fees: For T-Mobile Device and accessory returns and exchanges, see the applicable return policy, which is available at your place of purchase. Some T-Mobile Devices and accessories may not be refunded or exchanged, and you may be required to pay a restocking fee.
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I am wondering if it just might be less hassle to wait a few days after the phone ship and buy it from Flea-Bay or Swappa or such, where the phone may come unlocked (to TMOB carrier) out of the box?

Using the t-mobile note 4

I have decided to go ahead and go with a note 4 and since I like customizing the rom I am going to get a t-mobile note 4 to use with att. I will buy the phone up front and then I plan to use an online service to unlock it right away. Since t-mo won't sell the phone without a plan I was looking at the cheapest plan I can get with this phone. My question is since I am unlocking it right away, I won't need to keep the t-mo service until they are willing to unlock the phone. So how soon can I cancel the t-mo simple plan after I have unlocked the phone and got it on the att network?

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I have decided to go ahead and go with a note 4 and since I like customizing the rom I am going to get a t-mobile note 4 to use with att. I will buy the phone up front and then I plan to use an online service to unlock it right away. Since t-mo won't sell the phone without a plan I was looking at the cheapest plan I can get with this phone. My question is since I am unlocking it right away, I won't need to keep the t-mo service until they are willing to unlock the phone. So how soon can I cancel the t-mo simple plan after I have unlocked the phone and got it on the att network?
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Well t-mobile won't unlock it until you've had their service for 40 days. they also have a 14 day grace period to cancel service plan so I would definitely recommend a third party unlocking site considering it's cheaper than the 40 days of tmobile service. If you choose the third party make you make a phone call for 5 minutes so you don't region lock it

I chatted with them online. They told me they can do it after 3 days of service so my phone will show up on their system. They couldnt see it since I turned on the phone that day and first thing I did was go online and chat with them.
So... I chatted with them on the 3rd day and they processed it. I didnt get an email confirmation after talking to them- so I was a little concerned. But the next morning, I got the email with the unlock code.
Returned the AT&T version that night after I rooted and installed my current fav rom (Dynamic Kat) on the Tmobile version.

Sprint Z2 Force sim unlock

Is the Sprint version unlocked for use in GSM/UMTS networks outside US? And what about bootloader unlock possibility?

T-Mobile and Sprint Z2 can have their bootloader unlocked.
As for unlocking the Sim that I have no idea.
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I think as far as a sim unlocked device for u.s carriers the one from Verizon has the best combo of CDMA and GSM radios. I always buy Verizon. Usually works on anything I put in it. More radios means more options and possible matches for outside u.s

I am on AT&T and wanted to jump ship when I found out the bootloader was locked. After speaking with some employees and being assured it would work I bought a T-Mobile model outright from ebay. Despite the device having a clean imei and not being linked to any account I can't sim unlock it until 40 days after its been activated on T-Mobile's network, rendering the device useless to me. I even tried cellunlocker.net to no avail.
I am pretty sure sprint has a similar rule, perhaps even more strict. I think unless you can confirm in writing that it can be unlocked then and there you're better off passing. If you do go that route and it works, please let me know, I still have 12 days to return and cancel with AT&T.

filthyfnj24 said:
I am on AT&T and wanted to jump ship when I found out the bootloader was locked. After speaking with some employees and being assured it would work I bought a T-Mobile model outright from ebay. Despite the device having a clean imei and not being linked to any account I can't sim unlock it until 40 days after its been activated on T-Mobile's network, rendering the device useless to me. I even tried cellunlocker.net to no avail.
I am pretty sure sprint has a similar rule, perhaps even more strict. I think unless you can confirm in writing that it can be unlocked then and there you're better off passing. If you do go that route and it works, please let me know, I still have 12 days to return and cancel with AT&T.
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It doesn't need to be active for 40 days. The account needs to be 40 days. All you need is for one person who has an account that is older than 40 days use the phone for a day or two to make sure the system sees it. Viola unlocked after that.
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Tidbits said:
It doesn't need to be active for 40 days. The account needs to be 40 days. All you need is for one person who has an account that is older than 40 days use the phone for a day or two to make sure the system sees it. Viola unlocked after that.
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Are you sure? I still have the phone. This might be worth a try.

filthyfnj24 said:
Are you sure? I still have the phone. This might be worth a try.
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I've unlocked roughly 20 devices. Some the day I bought them. If it was 40 days I would have returned them and bought the unlocked version. I think I posted on the S7E forums I unlocked the very next day I got it. Others have as well, and that 40 day timeline was still there. Unless T-Mobile changed something recently. Now the catch if you do this and it works that person has the power to lock your phone if reported lost or stolen.
I am on JOD with this phone and don't feel like paying it off until I see how support for Oreo from Lenovo and also developer support happens.
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Tidbits said:
I've unlocked roughly 20 devices. Some the day I bought them. If it was 40 days I would have returned them and bought the unlocked version. I think I posted on the S7E forums I unlocked the very next day I got it. Others have as well, and that 40 day timeline was still there. Unless T-Mobile changed something recently. Now the catch if you do this and it works that person has the power to lock your phone if reported lost or stolen.
I am on JOD with this phone and don't feel like paying it off until I see how support for Oreo from Lenovo and also developer support happens.
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Jod? I'm not sure I know anyone on T-Mobile, I had it over 10 years ago and the reception was garbage in my area. Most people here have AT&T or Verizon. Ideally I could buy a black sprint one and have it unlocked for AT&T and unlock the bootloader and wait for development.
I have been slowly getting used to not having root or finding work arounds to things I frequently used...but I'd like to have my cake and eat it too.

filthyfnj24 said:
Jod? I'm not sure I know anyone on T-Mobile, I had it over 10 years ago and the reception was garbage in my area. Most people here have AT&T or Verizon. Ideally I could buy a black sprint one and have it unlocked for AT&T and unlock the bootloader and wait for development.
I have been slowly getting used to not having root or finding work arounds to things I frequently used...but I'd like to have my cake and eat it too.
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Jump on Demand. It's their leasing program. I can switch devices every 30 days if I wanted to. Of course may have to put a down payment and taxes every time I do, but some devices I buy outright mainly for my wife, and kids. They are not like me always willing to try the new. Saves me time trying to sell poorly supported devices.
Too bad you don't live near me. I haven't unlocked a device device this year. I could have tried to help you out but would need the device physically for a couple days.
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That's brilliant. I think AT&T has something similar but I think it's every 6 months, not every 30 days.

filthyfnj24 said:
That's brilliant. I think AT&T has something similar but I think it's every 6 months, not every 30 days.
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T-Mobile used to be 3 times a year. They switched it to 30 days recently.
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I'm in the same situation. Outright purchased the device, and the only way I can get it unlocked reasonably soon, is to activate a prepaid account and add at least $100 to the prepaid balance. Not sure if I'm reading it right, so correct me if I'm wondering, but according to the unlock bill passed in 2015, it sounds like they are required under federal law to unlock a device that is In good standing (no contract, no balance owed on the device or account). Which is why it's easy to unlock a device on literally any other US carrier.

Jaysonvstel said:
I'm in the same situation. Outright purchased the device, and the only way I can get it unlocked reasonably soon, is to activate a prepaid account and add at least $100 to the prepaid balance. Not sure if I'm reading it right, so correct me if I'm wondering, but according to the unlock bill passed in 2015, it sounds like they are required under federal law to unlock a device that is In good standing (no contract, no balance owed on the device or account). Which is why it's easy to unlock a device on literally any other US carrier.
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You are not reading it correctly. You have to be a CURRENT or FORMER customer to get it unlocked provided you met the criteria.
If you were never a customer you can have additional conditions or costs.
I have not to date at my work place able to unlock an AT&T phone out of box without first activating it with our company account.
https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/cell-phone-unlocking-faqs
Will I be charged fees to unlock my device?
Participating providers may not charge existing or former customers additional fees to unlock a device if it is eligible to be unlocked. Providers may charge a fee to unlock eligible devices for non-customers and former customers
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Update to a strange, but fortunate series of events. So I put the T-Mobile model up for sale when I found out I couldn't easily have it unlocked for AT&T. I put it up on eBay, priced to sell and was clear in my listing it is locked to T-Mobile.
The phone sold the same day. Now I've been buying and selling online since 2009 and have learned the number one rule the hard way...never mail anything until payment is clear. Sure enough, the buyer STILL has not paid. It's been 4 days. He has until tomorrow evening to pay or eBay will step in and from my understanding I get to keep the phone and eBay pays the final sale price.
Now I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch, but if this goes down the way I think it will I will be desperately trying to unlock the T-Mobile one and will be returning the AT&T model.
At this point I'm pretty invested in the Moto z ecosystem. Today my wife's birthday present came in. I got her a white and gold z force locked to Verizon. Next I think I'll be getting some mods.

filthyfnj24 said:
Update to a strange, but fortunate series of events. So I put the T-Mobile model up for sale when I found out I couldn't easily have it unlocked for AT&T. I put it up on eBay, priced to sell and was clear in my listing it is locked to T-Mobile.
The phone sold the same day. Now I've been buying and selling online since 2009 and have learned the number one rule the hard way...never mail anything until payment is clear. Sure enough, the buyer STILL has not paid. It's been 4 days. He has until tomorrow evening to pay or eBay will step in and from my understanding I get to keep the phone and eBay pays the final sale price.
Now I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch, but if this goes down the way I think it will I will be desperately trying to unlock the T-Mobile one and will be returning the AT&T model.
At this point I'm pretty invested in the Moto z ecosystem. Today my wife's birthday present came in. I got her a white and gold z force locked to Verizon. Next I think I'll be getting some mods.
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Well if you get the cash and you can keep the phone just start a $100 prepaid account and unlock the phone. Keep the $100 account in a ppu and just drop like $3 every so often and use it to keep the account active. Then at any time you need to unlock a phone just pop that Sim in first use it once then let it sit.
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Tidbits said:
Well if you get the cash and you can keep the phone just start a $100 prepaid account and unlock the phone. Keep the $100 account in a ppu and just drop like $3 every so often and use it to keep the account active. Then at any time you need to unlock a phone just pop that Sim in first use it once then let it sit.
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If I do that won't I have the bogus 40 day waiting period?

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If I do that won't I have the bogus 40 day waiting period?
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I believe so. Let me double check the customer forums. I am pretty sure you don't have to wait the 40 days. Just a couple days for the system to register the phone. I remember reading it on their forums that what a lot of them do.
40 day is for post paid as I believe their gross profit is $100 if a person is locked I to paying for 2 months of service. But yah checking their forums for the threads.
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Ok yep you don't have to wait 40 days. That's for postpaid requirements. Buy a sim kit, then put in $100 refill and viola you can request an unlock. Bad thing you'd have to put in $100 for every device you want to unlock.
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1588
Unlock eligibility for Pay in Advance (Prepaid) phones, tablets, and mobile Internet devices
The device on the requesting line has been active for more than one year on the T-Mobile network.
If the device has been active for less than one year on the requesting line, the Pay in Advance account associated with the device must have had more than $100 in refills since device first use date. $100 in total refills is required for each device that is requested to be unlocked and does not include the initial activation payment.

It's an informative post but leaves no solution to my situation.
I bought an T-mobile Z2 Force, never activated, from eBay. I don't have a T-mobile account and I live outside of US. The phone is on the way shipping to my country and I am afraid I have no means to unlock it

oushouseki said:
It's an informative post but leaves no solution to my situation.
I bought an T-mobile Z2 Force, never activated, from eBay. I don't have a T-mobile account and I live outside of US. The phone is on the way shipping to my country and I am afraid I have no means to unlock it
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Yah the thing that sucks with Any US carrier devices need to be activated in order to unlock. Most people even in the US don't even know that.
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Tidbits said:
Yah the thing that sucks with Any US carrier devices need to be activated in order to unlock. Most people even in the US don't even know that.
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Will have to try some of the unlock service provider listed on eBay...any good ones you experienced before?