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[Q] Is an anit virus required?

Just looking through the Market place and noticed AVG. Is it recommend to have an AV on the DHD?

I'm pretty sure you don't need one.

it depends on where you get your apps from, if you soley download off the market i'd say no, but if you like to get apps off the net and install them manually, then maybe, android is quite susceptible to malicious applications especially when rooted. such malicious applications could do things like, forward your emails and sms's to another location, keylogging, accecss to make phone calls with no permission, prompt or dialer showing, and other info stealing activities

AndroHero said:
it depends on where you get your apps from, if you soley download off the market i'd say no, but if you like to get apps off the net and install them manually, then maybe, android is quite susceptible to malicious applications especially when rooted. such malicious applications could do things like, forward your emails and sms's to another location, keylogging, accecss to make phone calls with no permission, prompt or dialer showing, and other info stealing activities
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Thanks for the reply. I have used the Market and Applanet but no other places. Would these 2 places both be classed as "safe"?
Have there been many reports of these dodgy apps taking over an Android then?

bluebirds said:
Thanks for the reply. I have used the Market and Applanet but no other places. Would these 2 places both be classed as "safe"?
Have there been many reports of these dodgy apps taking over an Android then?
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i woulnt class applanet as safe, infact it's particularly risky lol read this its just one story of malicious apps on android, if you search the web you will find many more http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/malware-infected-apps-threatening-android-devices/

AndroHero said:
i woulnt class applanet as safe, infact it's particularly risky lol read this its just one story of malicious apps on android, if you search the web you will find many more http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/malware-infected-apps-threatening-android-devices/
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So is there no chance of this happening if I use just the Market?

bluebirds said:
So is there no chance of this happening if I use just the Market?
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there is still a chance even with just the market, it's a catch 22 situation, the more companies like google invent preventative methods to detect malicious software, the more innovative hackers get in trying to infect us lol

[Q] RuFraud - How do you identify if an app is malicious?

Hey Guys,
A lot of the mobilephone blogs today are buzzing with the RuFraud Malware that was detected by Lookout Mobile and later taken down by Google from Android Market. About 22 odd apps which included apps & games too. According to Google, the end-user can see the services the apps will use before installing it in Permissions, but I usually don't go through them while installing as do most other end-users.
Now my concern is, if I've installed one of these "malicious" apps without knowledge and I want to detect that and delete them off the phone, is there any way to do so? I've performed a full-scan (SD card also) with avast! Mobile Security BETA (which btw, is kickass) but it hasn't detected anything.
I could also go through the Privacy Advisor feature on it, but that would mean me checking one-app-at-a-time which may take a while seeing as I have over 400 apps.
Anyway to detect the malware that apparently sends bulk premium SMS and racks up a huge bill? I don't have premium TXT enabled on my service since I am on Prepay & usually don't send any premium TXT but it would be nice knowing that my phone is malware free.
Any inputs would be appreciated.

well, i don't do any banking on my phone, i'm on pay as you go with the BEST mobile network...Three.co.uk...so i just whack on 15 quid a month and get unlimited everything......so i personally couldn't give a to** if any malware get's on my phone....
....nothing to get off my phone, unless they like sexy birds dressed in santa outfits, then i'm screwed, coz i'll cry if i lose them
I'd say, chill, don't be too paranoid.....b4 you download and install, look at reviews of apps......if it's only recently been uploaded to market and has no/not many reviews....google it first.
I allegedly have warez markets on my phone....allegedly.....and have never had a problem.
All I use my phone for is 99.999999% of the time browsing bulls**t on the web, messing about with fun apps, very rarely use texting or calls......so not worried.
But if your one of those that uses your phone for business/work/banking/etc...and have credit/debit cards stuff stored on there, then google the f**k out of any new app with no or few reviews....get 4,000 different virus and malware scanners on there.
Oh god, i'm dronning on and don't even know what i'm talking about now....arrghhhhh.
matt

w3bhax said:
Hey Guys,
A lot of the mobilephone blogs today are buzzing with the RuFraud Malware that was detected by Lookout Mobile and later taken down by Google from Android Market. About 22 odd apps which included apps & games too. According to Google, the end-user can see the services the apps will use before installing it in Permissions, but I usually don't go through them while installing as do most other end-users.
Now my concern is, if I've installed one of these "malicious" apps without knowledge and I want to detect that and delete them off the phone, is there any way to do so? I've performed a full-scan (SD card also) with avast! Mobile Security BETA (which btw, is kickass) but it hasn't detected anything.
I could also go through the Privacy Advisor feature on it, but that would mean me checking one-app-at-a-time which may take a while seeing as I have over 400 apps.
Anyway to detect the malware that apparently sends bulk premium SMS and racks up a huge bill? I don't have premium TXT enabled on my service since I am on Prepay & usually don't send any premium TXT but it would be nice knowing that my phone is malware free.
Any inputs would be appreciated.
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Best advice is to look at the permissions the app wants. You say mist end users don't, well then they get what they deserve really. Not being mean its just that if you keep important info in your phone then you should be more careful about what you install as a simple uninstall may not remove any malware that was installed by the app. This reason is a huge deal for Android users. Too many people wanting simple and easy and well we all know Linux based OS are neither

zelendel said:
Best advice is to look at the permissions the app wants. You say mist end users don't, well then they get what they deserve really. Not being mean its just that if you keep important info in your phone then you should be more careful about what you install as a simple uninstall may not remove any malware that was installed by the app. This reason is a huge deal for Android users. Too many people wanting simple and easy and well we all know Linux based OS are neither
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Yeah, I hear you. I usually don't check permissions cuz I install apps & uninstall them after I'm done with them. For eg: a game, etc. So yeah. I did find my Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit app that I paid for on Market, infact has SMS permissions. It says "malicious apps may send SMS to premium numbers" lol when I downloaded this app, it said the dev was Electronic Arts too.

A new Nexus 7 user desperately seeking advice:

Ok,
The nexus 7 is my very first tablet that I bought last week.
I need to keep Google at bay to some degree and guard my privacy. My tablet is not rooted but I need a top notch privacy application.
A link to an xda post about the best Nexus 7 apps would be nice too.
I chose the Nexus 7 to avoid the Vendor bloatware/crud but Google had movie, books and other crud to remove. Sheesh!

klepto said:
Ok,
The nexus 7 is my very first tablet that I bought last week.
I need to keep Google at bay to some degree and guard my privacy. My tablet is not rooted but I need a top notch privacy application.
A link to an xda post about the best Nexus 7 apps would be nice too.
I chose the Nexus 7 to avoid the Vendor bloatware/crud but Google had movie, books and other crud to remove. Sheesh!
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(You should have posted in General or Q/A Thread about this) but what exactly are you looking for? Everyone seems to be worried about Google's Privacy issues, and I'm not sure why.

Movies and books are a big reason why people buy tablets..
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You can just disable them if you want.

Opethsgh747 said:
Movies and books are a big reason why people buy tablets..
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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And in my opinion Google's apps work pretty well anyways.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

klepto said:
Ok,
The nexus 7 is my very first tablet that I bought last week.
I need to keep Google at bay to some degree and guard my privacy. My tablet is not rooted but I need a top notch privacy application.
A link to an xda post about the best Nexus 7 apps would be nice too.
I chose the Nexus 7 to avoid the Vendor bloatware/crud but Google had movie, books and other crud to remove. Sheesh!
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I share your sentiments. Unfortunately it is hard to do without rooting.
If you don't want your calendar and contacts on Google, be sure to turn off "sync" in their settings. Turn off sync in all apps you don't want to share with the world. Use Adaway app.
Avoid Google searches and use DuckDuckGo or Ixquick instead.
LBE security suite, firewall apps (I use Avast but there are others) help.
Look at Xposed Framework installer (there's an xda thread) and the XPrivacy Module.
Hope this helps.

Anderson2 said:
I share your sentiments. Unfortunately it is hard to do without rooting.
Look at Xposed Framework installer (there's an xda thread) and the XPrivacy Module.
Hope this helps.
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I heard that there are some risks involved with that application I broke down and rooted my Nexus 7 and installed AppOpsX. Is the app you suggest much better?

Not familiar with with Appopsx. Sorry.
Have had no problems with what I recommended.

Anderson2 said:
Not familiar with with Appopsx. Sorry.
Have had no problems with what I recommended.
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Xprivacy is excellent but as soon as I enabled the module SuperSu went nuts and wouldn't allow root access for other apps.

Interesting. Doesn't do it on my Nexus 7 2013 with Android 4.3. Maybe something on KitKat.

I would suppose so as I enabled shell access with Xprivacy.. I'll keep testing.. It's too great to give up on.

Xprivacy is great, it is working fine with Cyanogenmod 11. I have to tweak it every now and then but it is far and above better than any privacy based app I've ever used.

Don't forget to wear your tinfoil hat. Lol.

Out of curiosity, what exactly are you worried about?

Actually it should be obvious, if you go to your Google account via desktop Google has a log of where you have been via GPS. It has voice prints from Google Now, it keeps wifi passwords and much much more. I don't work for Google so I don't know how trustworthy they are with other people's data. I wouldn't want any company to have all my information at their fingertips.
Some companies sell your information, others use it to profile you so that they can show ads that are closer to your liking. Trust is everything.

@klepto You can close location reporting, and it won't have a log of where you've been. I don't know what a "voice print" is, but google now is all about collecting information about you, i know this answer is frustrating but if you want privacy don't use google now. It keeps wifi passwords for your convenience, who would google sell your wifi password, your neighbour? Every company you ever used have all information you give them at their fingertips, but they cannot use it as they like because you are protected by law, you are not trusting and you shouldn't trust any company, you are trusting the law. As for the OP, first decide which information you want to hide from them, for example are you trying to hide your searches, or your messages etc, then search/use the app that hides it. There is a project like this if you are interested: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375

klepto said:
Actually it should be obvious, if you go to your Google account via desktop Google has a log of where you have been via GPS. It has voice prints from Google Now, it keeps wifi passwords and much much more. I don't work for Google so I don't know how trustworthy they are with other people's data. I wouldn't want any company to have all my information at their fingertips.
Some companies sell your information, others use it to profile you so that they can show ads that are closer to your liking. Trust is everything.
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It's hardly important, or a big deal though. If you're concerned about what they do/can do with the data, read their policies.

Dan1909 said:
It's hardly important, or a big deal though. If you're concerned about what they do/can do with the data, read their policies.
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I agree with the OP. Many others do too. Privacy may be a thing of the past but one can try.
When identify theft becomes more rampant than it already is, more effective privacy laws will probably be enacted. Till then, some of us prefer to lock our home's front doors - even though we are well aware that they can be kicked open. Not everyone has joined the Facebook groupies who share all their private moments for all to see.

Anderson2 said:
I agree with the OP. Many others do too. Privacy may be a thing of the past but one can try.
When identify theft becomes more rampant than it already is, more effective privacy laws will probably be enacted. Till then, some of us prefer to lock our home's front doors - even though we are well aware that they can be kicked open. Not everyone has joined the Facebook groupies who share all their private moments for all to see.
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I agree with you though, privacy is important.
However, the information google use/take isn't ever going to cause an issue to my life, so there's no reason for me to get worked up worrying about nothing. So what if they have some records of where I've been, or any wifi passwords I've let them save, what negatives can actually happen arising from that?
Fair enough if it's just a matter of principle, but there's no actual need to worry about anything happening.

Dakura said:
@klepto You can close location reporting, and it won't have a log of where you've been. I don't know what a "voice print" is, but google now is all about collecting information about you, i know this answer is frustrating but if you want privacy don't use google now. It keeps wifi passwords for your convenience, who would google sell your wifi password, your neighbour? Every company you ever used have all information you give them at their fingertips, but they cannot use it as they like because you are protected by law, you are not trusting and you shouldn't trust any company, you are trusting the law. As for the OP, first decide which information you want to hide from them, for example are you trying to hide your searches, or your messages etc, then search/use the app that hides it. There is a project like this if you are interested: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375
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The problem with that thinking is that 1 your expecting them to obey the laws and 2 you don't know what level of protection they or their partners that they share your info with have in place, and how easily it can be uses to steal your identity. What is a internet the if "is" your neighbor we give out our email address freely with that if they hax Google they can now remotely access your WiFi and put a keystroke logger on your network. Sounds a bit far fetched but just think just because you live in a good neighborhood don't you still lock your doors at night?
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WARNING: Jiayu S3 Malware warning! How to detect and remove.

Recieved my shiny new Jiayu S3 3GB version today.
Noticed some dodgy apps in the all apps list, decided to malware scan - glad I did!
First check to see if your device is infected.
Go to your google apps play store and install Malware-byte's Anti-Malware Mobile.
Run a scan on the device, if it's the same as me you'll get 19 detected items. Feel free to scan with another scanner if you don't trust it.
After scanning with just Malware-bytes, the items I had were:
afternoon
Black Hole
blue sea
Butterfly Love
Fangge
Fantasy
FoldPager
Galaxy5
GoldenLife
Gridiron
honor
IOS7
LuckyCat
Petal
PowderBox
Snow and ice
Star Diamond
Twinkle
Zoo
REMOVAL:
I had to go into the security menu of the settings and enable Superuser.
Install this app from the Play Store: 'System app remover (ROOT)' (I can't post outside links)
Using this app you can remove the apps. I also removed the "Unlocker" and "father.rickety.ordinaire.suspiciousness" even though they weren't detected as Malware because..well they sound suspicious. (I mean come on, 'suspiciousness' in the title?!)
I have been monitoring the phone and I have seen no effect of functionality after removing these packages.
The speed of the phone has also increased, which is nice.
From my research it looks like Jiayu have used a 4.4.4 base ROM that was infected as there are other Jaiyu phones with the 4.4.4 ROM that are infected with these.
Best of luck and enjoy your malware free Jiayu S3

I am on the latest S3S rom 20150507-083407 and ran this anti malware and it picked up nothing, a clean scan. I bought mine from the Factory website.

No known malware on mine. As an extra precaution I use DroidWall, a iptables app to block any conversation from apps that don't need access to internet or lan.

KapzyPanda, where did you buy your phone ? Have you changed the Android (OTA, custom ROM) ?
I got mine from coolicool, EU warehouse, several OTA updates, then update to S3S 20150507-083407 from needrom.
Scanning now, found 2 problems.
Actually, the same file: WiFiKill - this is not a problem.
Your 19 problems found - what was the name of the infection ?

Congratulations..... you managed to remove all your pretty (variety) lock screens. Including the star diamond which is FABULOUS and can be seen in action in s7yler's review of this phone on youtube at time code 6:40.... In the later firmware version it has been removed because of all the false flagging which is a darn shame because I love this lock screen. Soooooo if any of you know how to get hold of the desired star diamond, DO please let me know...... It would be much appreciated....

PippiD said:
Congratulations..... you managed to remove all your pretty (variety) lock screens. Including the star diamond which is FABULOUS and can be seen in action in s7yler's review of this phone on youtube at time code 6:40.... In the later firmware version it has been removed because of all the false flagging which is a darn shame because I love this lock screen. Soooooo if any of you know how to get hold of the desired star diamond, DO please let me know...... It would be much appreciated....
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I guess if you can find the ROM (perhaps on needrom), then you can unpack it, and loop mount the system partition where the star diamond can be found as apk.

Nofan Tasi said:
I guess if you can find the ROM (perhaps on needrom), then you can unpack it, and loop mount the system partition where the star diamond can be found as apk.
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I didn't even know that was possible.... Newbie eager to learn..... Just did a search on the how to's now and see that you can unpack a rom with winrar etc.... Wow... Now I don't understand the loop mounting bit (yet) but I guess I can't just extract the apk, place it in the download folder and run because it's part of the system? What about using something like APK Swapper?

PippiD said:
I didn't even know that was possible.... Newbie eager to learn..... Just did a search on the how to's now and see that you can unpack a rom with winrar etc.... Wow... Now I don't understand the loop mounting bit (yet) but I guess I can't just extract the apk, place it in the download folder and run because it's part of the system? What about using something like APK Swapper?
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I work on linux where one loop mounts files that are filesystems. I guess similar tools exist on other operating systems, but I cannot tell. Sorry...

Nofan Tasi said:
I work on linux where one loop mounts files that are filesystems. I guess similar tools exist on other operating systems, but I cannot tell. Sorry...
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NAH! You've been a great help! thanks....

hi
you should be careful from where you download roms.
Some will/are indeed infected.
I saw at least 3 roms infected (2 from that site we all know needr ...) and another one from another forum ...
Also, some Chinese stores re-flashed their devices, with those roms... I dont know whats the deal...
cheers

The deal is that what we consider viruses the China based devices are required to have so the Chinese government can monitor it's citizens.
To be honest unless you live in China I would avoid China devices.

zelendel said:
The deal is that what we consider viruses the China based devices are required to have so the Chinese government can monitor it's citizens.
To be honest unless you live in China I would avoid China devices.
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@zelendel
You seem to hold sufficient wisdom to close threads where so called
illegal activity is happening by innocent people who do not even know
it is illegal and where one would rather need to put people in jail
who provide tools to implement the illegal activity. It is like you
point to the drug user in stead of the drug dealer. These are my last
words on XDA. I disappear and perhaps come back under different name
(this one and all names here are kind of fake anyway).

Nofan Tasi said:
@zelendel
You seem to hold sufficient wisdom to close threads where so called
illegal activity is happening by innocent people who do not even know
it is illegal and where one would rather need to put people in jail
who provide tools to implement the illegal activity. It is like you
point to the drug user in stead of the drug dealer. These are my last
words on XDA. I disappear and perhaps come back under different name
(this one and all names here are kind of fake anyway).
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If it is legal or not depends on where you live. Plain and simple. Just because people don't know it's illegal doesn't protect them. It's called research. Something that should be done.
Also making another account is against xda rules and is a banable offence.

There is an app called recents. It has a blue icon with a cog. I didn't install that and every time I unlocked my phone filled my screen with ads. I got rid of the app and everything is fine. Please check your phones

atsimeri said:
There is an app called recents. It has a blue icon with a cog. I didn't install that and every time I unlocked my phone filled my screen with ads. I got rid of the app and everything is fine. Please check your phones
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I had ads too and just found this installed on my device! Uninstalled now, thank's Astimeri :good:

mrgbuzz said:
I had ads too and just found this installed on my device! Uninstalled now, thank's Astimeri :good:
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Same happened to me. Fortunately, it can be easily removed.

Odd.. I noticed that recents have updated it self... I've now removed both! thanks OP.

High RAM consumption...
Since this week,ive started expierence some laggs and high ram consumption...
I have the 3 GB version,and with just google chrome i can reach 1.2 free memory...
Is it normal?
Custom rom (by dalet11, from needrom) with twrp recovery. Xposed and many modules...(13+-)
Is that matters?
Thanks, i'm new...:highfive:

about miscellaneous adds
is anyone here getting miscellaneous ads while opening any app??

raghavveerlas said:
is anyone here getting miscellaneous ads while opening any app??
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Which ROM? You can search the big thread from "s7yler" for a user named "NStorm". He found some maleware.

Google Totally Ruined RCS

Google will find a way to ruin anything its sad... All they had to do was not F this up and keep it out of the carriers hand and build out their servers and data center like Apple and they would of had a winning combo...I don't want to hear about its apps or that app its about a seamless process period if Google had done the most effective way i guarantee nobody would to add another app or ask someone else to download the same app it would just work great out the box period
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/...nce-coalition-to-deploy-rcs-messaging-in-2020

RCS messaging app is not yet officially announced. Once they announce hopefully it will be preinstalled in every android phone from 1.1.2020. I think we need a messaging app like imessages for all phones regardless operating systems. There should not be any boundaries.

antawnm26 said:
if Google had done the most effective way i guarantee nobody would to add another app or ask someone else to download the same app it would just work great out the box period
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Are you complaining about the work around method to getting this to work before it's actual release??

pcriz said:
Are you complaining about the work around method to getting this to work before it's actual release??
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No I'm complaining about the fact the way it's looking google is allowing the carriers to come up with their own the way it seems to me
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antawnm26 said:
No I'm complaining about the fact the way it's looking google is allowing the carriers to come up with their own the way it seems to me
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I mean it's a back and forth. Let's say they push Google out, what leverage do they really have? To say they ruined is assumed they are willfully saying screw it despite being able to do something. What weight can Google pull against the carriers that won't affect their money?

They did it in France and some other countries because operators wouldn't implement it. Still, no SMS apps beside Google's and Samsung's one are RCS compatible, and the later can't use it with Google's servers so there's basically just Google alone and quite nobody use its app so there's no point at all.

I don't see the big deal... I am surprised everyone trusts Google with the amount of data they have on people.
Carriers getting on board with or without Google doesn't matter. What matters is interloping with other carriers worldwide. They are all using UP so interloping will be there.

Tidbits said:
I don't see the big deal... I am surprised everyone trusts Google with the amount of data they have on people.
Carriers getting on board with or without Google doesn't matter. What matters is interloping with other carriers worldwide. They are all using UP so interloping will be there.
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Def a big deal. When you have family over seas when you don’t have to constantly download different apps. It was a simple fix and do it just as apple did build your own servers (iMessage) and damn with the carriers but I agree with the information apple at least has encryption and somewhat fight for your privacy
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antawnm26 said:
Def a big deal. When you have family over seas when you don’t have to constantly download different apps. It was a simple fix and do it just as apple did build your own servers (iMessage) and damn with the carriers but I agree with the information apple at least has encryption and somewhat fight for your privacy
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Depends on the country. In korea is kakaotalk
In most of europe it is whatsapp.
We dont NEED RCS and did someone say RCS is getting rid of charging for texting over country lines?
I feel like the rest of the world has already solved this issue. It's not really something we are waiting for RCS to fix

I just do not understand why some people are so upset about this rcs, it seems as actual phone calls, emails, whatsapp, telegram, etc do not exist, in my country almost nobody uses sms, as whatsapp does not have cost on data consumption, but, everybody is entitled to have its own opinion...

antawnm26 said:
Def a big deal. When you have family over seas when you don’t have to constantly download different apps. It was a simple fix and do it just as apple did build your own servers (iMessage) and damn with the carriers but I agree with the information apple at least has encryption and somewhat fight for your privacy
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It's not a big deal... interloping will still happen and that's what really matters. Even with Google you have to download their messaging app so it's a moot argument if you buy anything outside if Google devices. Google only made Jibe for the data they can collect. They are not going to give a service for free even to carriers. As long as interloping happens people can use the stock apps on their devices and it works. People forget that T-Mobile made a deal with Samsung which also has a deal with Google about interloping their servers and using UP.

winol said:
I just do not understand why some people are so upset about this rcs, it seems as actual phone calls, emails, whatsapp, telegram, etc do not exist, in my country almost nobody uses sms, as whatsapp does not have cost on data consumption, but, everybody is entitled to have its own opinion...
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I dont think that many folks are upset. The US in particular is just behind the curve when it comes to messaging because the majority of Americans have zero reason to be worried about international charges because most of us arent communicating outside the united states and if we are it's usually Mexico and Canada which some carriers have plans to make even that free. Add to that unlimited texting on literally any plan.
So unless you are on an iphone you are probably using SMS as your main method of messaging.
Then we take into account some where like europe where a train ride can take you through multiple countries in a day, you then need to start considering international SMS charges. So people start using WhatsApp or Viber. Or India where bargain android phones rule and mobile plans arent that great so people instead opt to use messaging apps over sms.

winol said:
I just do not understand why some people are so upset about this rcs, it seems as actual phone calls, emails, whatsapp, telegram, etc do not exist, in my country almost nobody uses sms, as whatsapp does not have cost on data consumption, but, everybody is entitled to have its own opinion...
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Because they are annoyed about having 32 7573 different apps for doing the same things.
The others got some great features but always at for basic ones, or had flaws.
For example : most people wanted/needed is an IRC with an integrated friend list since 20 years and only Discord provide that, but : privacy/security are opaque, you don't know how it's secured, you can't create your own server for better perfs, plus they sell features although it could have been free if servers would have been charged by yourself.
Telegram has awful group management and security is opaque too.
Whatsapp and its theme management? What's appearance anyway? Security and privacy are also obscure.
The only ones that can guarantee your privacy are Olvid and Wire, but I didn't tested what features they got.

Tidbits said:
It's not a big deal... interloping will still happen and that's what really matters. Even with Google you have to download their messaging app so it's a moot argument if you buy anything outside if Google devices. Google only made Jibe for the data they can collect. They are not going to give a service for free even to carriers. As long as interloping happens people can use the stock apps on their devices and it works. People forget that T-Mobile made a deal with Samsung which also has a deal with Google about interloping their servers and using UP.
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smh...ok...If Google messaging app is native to android is a standdard you dont have to download anything also when you can pick up a phone and not have to worry about anything in that it just works thats saying something...once again your solution is to download a ton of apps when you could have a native app do it all...Now lets talk about your interloping APPLE DIDNT NEED INTERLOPING AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY ITS BECAUSE THEY DIDNT LEAVE IT INTO THE CARRIERS HAND...WTH talking about givng something for free?

antawnm26 said:
smh...ok...If Google messaging app is native to android is a standdard you dont have to download anything also when you can pick up a phone and not have to worry about anything in that it just works thats saying something...once again your solution is to download a ton of apps when you could have a native app do it all...Now lets talk about your interloping APPLE DIDNT NEED INTERLOPING AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY ITS BECAUSE THEY DIDNT LEAVE IT INTO THE CARRIERS HAND...WTH talking about givng something for free?
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Google messages isn't standard to Android. It's proprietary like all other Google apps. What matters is interloping like SMS works across carriers regardless of where you are... Universal Profile follows the same rules. No matter how grandstanding carriers do with naming their "initiative". Google wants UP to succeed and if people use their app for UP they get more money out of it. As I said Samsung and Google are already working on interloping. Carriers are working on it as well. That's the Crux which will make UP the defacto standard and any messaging client that supports UP will work.
iMessages is not universal profile and is more like AOL messenger mixed in with Ping and all apple did was add encryption. You have to buy Apple to use it. You can't use it on any other device but their own. Kind of like the Pixel... Well anyhow Apple will have to add UP to their messaging app because when carriers move over to it they're up a creek without a paddle as people with Apple devices won't be able to send messages to people without an iDevice.
You think Google made Jibe to give it for free? No they get to collect user data and lots of it. Our data is their product.

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Google messages isn't standard to Android. It's proprietary like all other Google apps. What matters is interloping like SMS works across carriers regardless of where you are... Universal Profile follows the same rules. No matter how grandstanding carriers do with naming their "initiative". Google wants UP to succeed and if people use their app for UP they get more money out of it. As I said Samsung and Google are already working on interloping. Carriers are working on it as well. That's the Crux which will make UP the defacto standard and any messaging client that supports UP will work.
iMessages is not universal profile and is more like AOL messenger mixed in with Ping and all apple did was add encryption. You have to buy Apple to use it. You can't use it on any other device but their own. Kind of like the Pixel... Well anyhow Apple will have to add UP to their messaging app because when carriers move over to it they're up a creek without a paddle as people with Apple devices won't be able to send messages to people without an iDevice.
You think Google made Jibe to give it for free? No they get to collect user data and lots of it. Our data is their product.
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Rcs will still support legacy SMS. So idevice users will still be able to message none idevice people. That wont change.
iMessage in my eyes is better because of the SMS backbone and all the features and ways to display messages to other iMessage users.
Basically what Allo was trying to get to but without the SMS backbone.

pcriz said:
Rcs will still support legacy SMS. So idevice users will still be able to message none idevice people. That wont change.
iMessage in my eyes is better because of the SMS backbone and all the features and ways to display messages to other iMessage users.
Basically what Allo was trying to get to but without the SMS backbone.
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Google goofed even before that. Hangouts... Was supposed to be their one stop shop. Then they made Android messages, Allo, and Duo... They had and still don't have any real sense of direction on what they want to do. I feel like at some point they'll combine the three again in the near future.

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Google goofed even before that. Hangouts... Was supposed to be their one stop shop. Then they made Android messages, Allo, and Duo... They had and still don't have any real sense of direction on what they want to do. I feel like at some point they'll combine the three again in the near future.
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Exactly. When all they had to do was just keep it under their control and build out their data centers done deal
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antawnm26 said:
Exactly. When all they had to do was just keep it under their control and build out their data centers done deal
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It doesn't matter with RCS or universal profile. If carriers follow the protocol that's 1.0 or higher ANY messaging app will work included ones that are "preinstalled" with a device. I don't see why Google is taking flack for something that benefits us regardless of they controlled it or not. Shoot if you wanted to you can build out a small server of your own and it should interlope with any persons using Universal profile and bypass major carriers(see Android messages with work around as an example) provided you use Universal Profile. Samsung, and Google have their own servers and they are interloping. Sprint already uses 2.0+, T-Mobile uses 1.0(upgrading to 2.0 probably when merger completes), and be ready for multiple devices.
https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/rcs/universal-profile/
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-and-google-collaborate-on-rcs-messaging-for-android
So when carriers roll out UP 2.0 or newer doesn't matter what messaging app you use. The stock or preinstalled will work as that's one of the requirements much like SMS is.
Personally I use Signal because of encryption. That's all I really care about.