Google will find a way to ruin anything its sad... All they had to do was not F this up and keep it out of the carriers hand and build out their servers and data center like Apple and they would of had a winning combo...I don't want to hear about its apps or that app its about a seamless process period if Google had done the most effective way i guarantee nobody would to add another app or ask someone else to download the same app it would just work great out the box period
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/...nce-coalition-to-deploy-rcs-messaging-in-2020
RCS messaging app is not yet officially announced. Once they announce hopefully it will be preinstalled in every android phone from 1.1.2020. I think we need a messaging app like imessages for all phones regardless operating systems. There should not be any boundaries.
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if Google had done the most effective way i guarantee nobody would to add another app or ask someone else to download the same app it would just work great out the box period
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Are you complaining about the work around method to getting this to work before it's actual release??
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Are you complaining about the work around method to getting this to work before it's actual release??
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No I'm complaining about the fact the way it's looking google is allowing the carriers to come up with their own the way it seems to me
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No I'm complaining about the fact the way it's looking google is allowing the carriers to come up with their own the way it seems to me
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I mean it's a back and forth. Let's say they push Google out, what leverage do they really have? To say they ruined is assumed they are willfully saying screw it despite being able to do something. What weight can Google pull against the carriers that won't affect their money?
They did it in France and some other countries because operators wouldn't implement it. Still, no SMS apps beside Google's and Samsung's one are RCS compatible, and the later can't use it with Google's servers so there's basically just Google alone and quite nobody use its app so there's no point at all.
I don't see the big deal... I am surprised everyone trusts Google with the amount of data they have on people.
Carriers getting on board with or without Google doesn't matter. What matters is interloping with other carriers worldwide. They are all using UP so interloping will be there.
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I don't see the big deal... I am surprised everyone trusts Google with the amount of data they have on people.
Carriers getting on board with or without Google doesn't matter. What matters is interloping with other carriers worldwide. They are all using UP so interloping will be there.
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Def a big deal. When you have family over seas when you don’t have to constantly download different apps. It was a simple fix and do it just as apple did build your own servers (iMessage) and damn with the carriers but I agree with the information apple at least has encryption and somewhat fight for your privacy
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Def a big deal. When you have family over seas when you don’t have to constantly download different apps. It was a simple fix and do it just as apple did build your own servers (iMessage) and damn with the carriers but I agree with the information apple at least has encryption and somewhat fight for your privacy
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Depends on the country. In korea is kakaotalk
In most of europe it is whatsapp.
We dont NEED RCS and did someone say RCS is getting rid of charging for texting over country lines?
I feel like the rest of the world has already solved this issue. It's not really something we are waiting for RCS to fix
I just do not understand why some people are so upset about this rcs, it seems as actual phone calls, emails, whatsapp, telegram, etc do not exist, in my country almost nobody uses sms, as whatsapp does not have cost on data consumption, but, everybody is entitled to have its own opinion...
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Def a big deal. When you have family over seas when you don’t have to constantly download different apps. It was a simple fix and do it just as apple did build your own servers (iMessage) and damn with the carriers but I agree with the information apple at least has encryption and somewhat fight for your privacy
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It's not a big deal... interloping will still happen and that's what really matters. Even with Google you have to download their messaging app so it's a moot argument if you buy anything outside if Google devices. Google only made Jibe for the data they can collect. They are not going to give a service for free even to carriers. As long as interloping happens people can use the stock apps on their devices and it works. People forget that T-Mobile made a deal with Samsung which also has a deal with Google about interloping their servers and using UP.
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I just do not understand why some people are so upset about this rcs, it seems as actual phone calls, emails, whatsapp, telegram, etc do not exist, in my country almost nobody uses sms, as whatsapp does not have cost on data consumption, but, everybody is entitled to have its own opinion...
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I dont think that many folks are upset. The US in particular is just behind the curve when it comes to messaging because the majority of Americans have zero reason to be worried about international charges because most of us arent communicating outside the united states and if we are it's usually Mexico and Canada which some carriers have plans to make even that free. Add to that unlimited texting on literally any plan.
So unless you are on an iphone you are probably using SMS as your main method of messaging.
Then we take into account some where like europe where a train ride can take you through multiple countries in a day, you then need to start considering international SMS charges. So people start using WhatsApp or Viber. Or India where bargain android phones rule and mobile plans arent that great so people instead opt to use messaging apps over sms.
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I just do not understand why some people are so upset about this rcs, it seems as actual phone calls, emails, whatsapp, telegram, etc do not exist, in my country almost nobody uses sms, as whatsapp does not have cost on data consumption, but, everybody is entitled to have its own opinion...
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Because they are annoyed about having 32 7573 different apps for doing the same things.
The others got some great features but always at for basic ones, or had flaws.
For example : most people wanted/needed is an IRC with an integrated friend list since 20 years and only Discord provide that, but : privacy/security are opaque, you don't know how it's secured, you can't create your own server for better perfs, plus they sell features although it could have been free if servers would have been charged by yourself.
Telegram has awful group management and security is opaque too.
Whatsapp and its theme management? What's appearance anyway? Security and privacy are also obscure.
The only ones that can guarantee your privacy are Olvid and Wire, but I didn't tested what features they got.
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It's not a big deal... interloping will still happen and that's what really matters. Even with Google you have to download their messaging app so it's a moot argument if you buy anything outside if Google devices. Google only made Jibe for the data they can collect. They are not going to give a service for free even to carriers. As long as interloping happens people can use the stock apps on their devices and it works. People forget that T-Mobile made a deal with Samsung which also has a deal with Google about interloping their servers and using UP.
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smh...ok...If Google messaging app is native to android is a standdard you dont have to download anything also when you can pick up a phone and not have to worry about anything in that it just works thats saying something...once again your solution is to download a ton of apps when you could have a native app do it all...Now lets talk about your interloping APPLE DIDNT NEED INTERLOPING AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY ITS BECAUSE THEY DIDNT LEAVE IT INTO THE CARRIERS HAND...WTH talking about givng something for free?
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smh...ok...If Google messaging app is native to android is a standdard you dont have to download anything also when you can pick up a phone and not have to worry about anything in that it just works thats saying something...once again your solution is to download a ton of apps when you could have a native app do it all...Now lets talk about your interloping APPLE DIDNT NEED INTERLOPING AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY ITS BECAUSE THEY DIDNT LEAVE IT INTO THE CARRIERS HAND...WTH talking about givng something for free?
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Google messages isn't standard to Android. It's proprietary like all other Google apps. What matters is interloping like SMS works across carriers regardless of where you are... Universal Profile follows the same rules. No matter how grandstanding carriers do with naming their "initiative". Google wants UP to succeed and if people use their app for UP they get more money out of it. As I said Samsung and Google are already working on interloping. Carriers are working on it as well. That's the Crux which will make UP the defacto standard and any messaging client that supports UP will work.
iMessages is not universal profile and is more like AOL messenger mixed in with Ping and all apple did was add encryption. You have to buy Apple to use it. You can't use it on any other device but their own. Kind of like the Pixel... Well anyhow Apple will have to add UP to their messaging app because when carriers move over to it they're up a creek without a paddle as people with Apple devices won't be able to send messages to people without an iDevice.
You think Google made Jibe to give it for free? No they get to collect user data and lots of it. Our data is their product.
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Google messages isn't standard to Android. It's proprietary like all other Google apps. What matters is interloping like SMS works across carriers regardless of where you are... Universal Profile follows the same rules. No matter how grandstanding carriers do with naming their "initiative". Google wants UP to succeed and if people use their app for UP they get more money out of it. As I said Samsung and Google are already working on interloping. Carriers are working on it as well. That's the Crux which will make UP the defacto standard and any messaging client that supports UP will work.
iMessages is not universal profile and is more like AOL messenger mixed in with Ping and all apple did was add encryption. You have to buy Apple to use it. You can't use it on any other device but their own. Kind of like the Pixel... Well anyhow Apple will have to add UP to their messaging app because when carriers move over to it they're up a creek without a paddle as people with Apple devices won't be able to send messages to people without an iDevice.
You think Google made Jibe to give it for free? No they get to collect user data and lots of it. Our data is their product.
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Rcs will still support legacy SMS. So idevice users will still be able to message none idevice people. That wont change.
iMessage in my eyes is better because of the SMS backbone and all the features and ways to display messages to other iMessage users.
Basically what Allo was trying to get to but without the SMS backbone.
pcriz said:
Rcs will still support legacy SMS. So idevice users will still be able to message none idevice people. That wont change.
iMessage in my eyes is better because of the SMS backbone and all the features and ways to display messages to other iMessage users.
Basically what Allo was trying to get to but without the SMS backbone.
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Google goofed even before that. Hangouts... Was supposed to be their one stop shop. Then they made Android messages, Allo, and Duo... They had and still don't have any real sense of direction on what they want to do. I feel like at some point they'll combine the three again in the near future.
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Google goofed even before that. Hangouts... Was supposed to be their one stop shop. Then they made Android messages, Allo, and Duo... They had and still don't have any real sense of direction on what they want to do. I feel like at some point they'll combine the three again in the near future.
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Exactly. When all they had to do was just keep it under their control and build out their data centers done deal
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antawnm26 said:
Exactly. When all they had to do was just keep it under their control and build out their data centers done deal
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It doesn't matter with RCS or universal profile. If carriers follow the protocol that's 1.0 or higher ANY messaging app will work included ones that are "preinstalled" with a device. I don't see why Google is taking flack for something that benefits us regardless of they controlled it or not. Shoot if you wanted to you can build out a small server of your own and it should interlope with any persons using Universal profile and bypass major carriers(see Android messages with work around as an example) provided you use Universal Profile. Samsung, and Google have their own servers and they are interloping. Sprint already uses 2.0+, T-Mobile uses 1.0(upgrading to 2.0 probably when merger completes), and be ready for multiple devices.
https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/rcs/universal-profile/
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-and-google-collaborate-on-rcs-messaging-for-android
So when carriers roll out UP 2.0 or newer doesn't matter what messaging app you use. The stock or preinstalled will work as that's one of the requirements much like SMS is.
Personally I use Signal because of encryption. That's all I really care about.
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You would think Microsoft would create this application as a priority. Jesus, even my blackberry has WINDOWS LIVE!
What the hell!
Yes that was quite puzzling.
I would have thought that it would be on there before it launched.
I'll laugh if AOL sticks an AIM client on the marketplace before Microsoft gets an MSN Messenger client up there. It's boneheaded moves like this that have defined Microsoft lately and it's why they went from almost owning the smartphone market to being in a position where they may never be able to catch up.
Did ya'll look on the marketplace??? There is a live messenger there. The company that made isn't microsoft but they got paid by ms to do the app and it's the official messenger app...
Dont really get the confusion
BIG-Stan said:
Did ya'll look on the marketplace??? There is a live messenger there. The company that made isn't microsoft but they got paid by ms to do the app and it's the official messenger app...
Dont really get the confusion
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TRUST ME IF THAT POS APP WAS REMOTELY PRACTICAL I WOULD HAVE USED IT.
Pretty much the "in and out" phone is just keeping me out from using my phone! Seriously this OS has immense potential but the launch was seriously half-assed, I would have been happier if they had delayed the launch window to early next year.
This is going to give a bad impression to many early adopters, let's not forget the issues with supply.
ManicDVLN said:
TRUST ME IF THAT POS APP WAS REMOTELY PRACTICAL I WOULD HAVE USED IT.
Pretty much the "in and out" phone is just keeping me out from using my phone! Seriously this OS has immense potential but the launch was seriously half-assed, I would have been happier if they had delayed the launch window to early next year.
This is going to give a bad impression to many early adopters, let's not forget the issues with supply.
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I don't know...I've played with the phones now quite a bit and really like the polish and features...yes, there are some glaring features missing but they will be added. I was told at an MS kickoff meeting earlier this week that they are going to have a ton of updates starting in January...they kept saying they are betting the farm on this so we'll see...
I would agree on the marketing front however...I don't understand how they can do such a good job with xbox360 marketing and do such a half assed attempt with the wp7 which is arguably more important to them in the long term.
They must be working on a native WLM. They make one for iPhone and Blackberry. They have produced a version for 3 on Android, which a third party coded.
It plugs into Yahoo Messenger too. Plus WLM now talks to Facebook Chat. They are rolling out that feature as we speak. But only a few people have it right now.
Maybe they will release WLM at CES. I can imagine Ballmer and Zuckerberg make an announcment together. Or at Mobile World Congress at the latest.
Maybe they were waiting for Microsoft Lync, which is apparently coming to Windows Phone in 2011. I just hope that, whatever it is, its a native app and ideally integrated into the OS.
Was just doing some reading about Microsoft Lync, sounds perfect...
Add Contacts and Share Presence and Instant Messages Users can add contacts on Windows Live, AOL, Yahoo!, and Google Talk networks to their contact list. With the Communicator “14” client, users can share presence status information and participate in instant messaging with colleagues and customers who use public IM connections.
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http://lync.microsoft.com/en-us/Product/Technologies/Pages/public-im-connectivity.aspx
you can go to live.com and use the web messenger from the menu-> messenger option
peace
The Zune HD Live Messenger only came out last month and had Facebook chat integrated. They're probably working on it.
What on earth are you talking about??? Messenger was available from day one and was one of the first apps I downloaded! its made by another company though. not microsoft. have a proper look or bing it in market place.
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What on earth are you talking about???
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There's no need to be like that when evidently you haven't read all the posts. We know there's a messenger but it's not an official one and as such it doesn't do the job for the OP and others.
But it wont get more official. I read somewhere that the company that made the current wlm was paid by ms to code the app as an official one.
I'm pretty sure though that it will get updated with more features. The current version certainly lacks some features compared to the ios version.
ps: here is the link to the article
http://www.liveside.net/2010/10/14/whos-building-the-official-messenger-app-for-wp7-not-microsoft/
Microsoft has often asked other developers to make app for them like the facebook one on winmo 6.5 but they would always mark it as an official MS app, so if that company is in charge I'm sure it would be a different version without their name on it.
That aside, I can't see Microsoft developing a WLM app for Zune HD and an awesome one for the iPhone and then not make one for their own platform. Doesn't make any sense.
Pretty sure we will see something soon enough that surpasses the cheesy app that is out now.
Why the hell would MS pay somebody to make the messenger and not provide them with the ability to have it run in the background?
I have read the same articles, and it smells rather off to me.
Personally, i cant wait for a better one. (or the existing one to get out of pre-alpha phase, coz that's how bad it is)
what dont you guys get? the official app is the one on the market. microsoft just paid another company to make it.
kiloah said:
what dont you guys get? the official app is the one on the market. microsoft just paid another company to make it.
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"Messenger by Miyowa"? What don't we get? Well, for starters, how you managed to use it to message anyone. That thing is rubbish, I can't imagine Microsoft let anyone put that thing out in their name and, last I checked which was about 45 seconds ago it was the only IM app in the marketplace.
The app doesn't have to run in the background. Beejive and IM+ for iPhone worked quite well before iPhone supported background operation and it worked via push notification. I think they both support background execution now but why bother when push works so well? That's memory freed up to use for something else.
Finally, a really half-assed solution that works is the SMS / IM interface most carriers provide. Some only do AIM but some cover them all. Do a google search for your carrier. AT&T, for example, uses SMS numbers starting with 265000 to log in and so on. If you're really that hard up for IM it's better than nothing, but just barely.
People are funny in this world.
In theory this OS is a platform for the community to build on.
Too bad the community is a mob with pitchforks.
Who in their right mind will develop anything when the populous will undoubtedly attack their creation?
Microsoft can't fix people. Why does anyone need messenger when all they do is hate on everything new?
I read that news about this third party company and I have a strong feeling that it's false. There is no way, that MS which created official messenger app for every other platform would outsource something so native to an unknown third party company for the windows OS!
I have a feeling that was a fake news spread by that third party company.
now that we can sideload app's (something like a jailbreak)I am really interested how fast Microsoft will release his first wp7 update to fix this
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now that we can sideload app's (something like a jailbreak)I am really interested how fast Microsoft will release his first wp7 update to fix this
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I have a suspicion MS wanted this hack out there. MS has never been much of a locked down company, like Apple is. So I see something like this happening with their blessing.
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now that we can sideload app's (something like a jailbreak)I am really interested how fast Microsoft will release his first wp7 update to fix this
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They won't i think imo, Look at the Xbox, We get wave bans/Yearly updates even though they have teams following the forums for what's going on.
Jtags were aloud on-line for years until recently.
I'm just happy i have another device in C# so i can continue to make games and apps to make myself laugh.
MS thrive off hackers and modders imo telling them what's wrong and what people want without risking doing it themselves or overloading this first release scaring people off like the previous WM versions. it's all open source in a hackers mind, but the hacker can't sell the modified ROM can he , MS just release an update with more features*clever really*, where's the white line ? they just wait to see what's popular, same like FSD did for the xbox imo with all the media functionality.
*thats my 2pence *
The bigger issue is that the buzz from all the 'I want local outlook sync because I am scared of the cloud' brigade and the 'I want file explorer' gang is going to kill the platform before long, Microsoft are going to have to hack about with wp7 to meet their needs which is a shame, because if people took the time to think they would realise that:
1. Cloud solutions for syncing stuff can be simple and free ( hotmail, gmail mail forwarding)
2. Their emails are in the cloud already
3. Skydrive is a simple and free way to sync docs (although office integration needs to improve)
4. In terms of privacy, if you have something private on a laptop that you connect to the Internet and someone really, really wants it, they will get it!
5. Privacy again, with a cloud connected handset that you lose, you have the option of remotely erasing it.
I feel like I am in a minority that likes the way ms are going but I worry that because of all the negative rubbish on these forums and others, wp7 will die and I will have to go back to android or worse still ios
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The bigger issue is that the buzz from all the 'I want local outlook sync because I am scared of the cloud' brigade and the 'I want file explorer' gang is going to kill the platform before long, Microsoft are going to have to hack about with wp7 to meet their needs which is a shame, because if people took the time to think they would realise that:
1. Cloud solutions for syncing stuff can be simple and free ( hotmail, gmail mail forwarding)
2. Their emails are in the cloud already
3. Skydrive is a simple and free way to sync docs (although office integration needs to improve)
4. In terms of privacy, if you have something private on a laptop that you connect to the Internet and someone really, really wants it, they will get it!
5. Privacy again, with a cloud connected handset that you lose, you have the option of remotely erasing it.
I feel like I am in a minority that likes the way ms are going but I worry that because of all the negative rubbish on these forums and others, wp7 will die and I will have to go back to android or worse still ios
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Same here. I like what MS is trying to do with WP7 but I fear the worse because Balmer isn't resolved like Jobs is.
Actually I don't think it really matters because what the Market is loaded with right now is pure crap. If MS lets this continue, forget about this platform surviving.
WP7 is great, I just have technophilia lol
adesonic said:
The bigger issue is that the buzz from all the 'I want local outlook sync because I am scared of the cloud' brigade and the 'I want file explorer' gang is going to kill the platform before long, Microsoft are going to have to hack about with wp7 to meet their needs which is a shame, because if people took the time to think they would realise that:
1. Cloud solutions for syncing stuff can be simple and free ( hotmail, gmail mail forwarding)
2. Their emails are in the cloud already
3. Skydrive is a simple and free way to sync docs (although office integration needs to improve)
4. In terms of privacy, if you have something private on a laptop that you connect to the Internet and someone really, really wants it, they will get it!
5. Privacy again, with a cloud connected handset that you lose, you have the option of remotely erasing it.
I feel like I am in a minority that likes the way ms are going but I worry that because of all the negative rubbish on these forums and others, wp7 will die and I will have to go back to android or worse still ios
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Don't worry WP7 won't die... ease of use/speed will not need to be sacrificed for outlook connectivity or some file access
Very true I mean the info. Is more secure on microsoft or Google server than it is on ur personal computer. Don't know why people are so scared of cloud based integration. It makes life a lot easier for people who dont wanna deal with syncing stuff on their own.
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MartyLK said:
Same here. I like what MS is trying to do with WP7 but I fear the worse because Balmer isn't resolved like Jobs is.
Actually I don't think it really matters because what the Market is loaded with right now is pure crap. If MS lets this continue, forget about this platform surviving.
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The reason the market is so flooded with rss readers and flashlight apps is because that is about all that is currently possible with the current api.
Allow multi tasking, access to the compass, side loading of files into apps and a whole world of app opportunity opens up
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The reason the market is so flooded with rss readers and flashlight apps is because that is about all that is currently possible with the current api.
Allow multi tasking, access to the compass, side loading of files into apps and a whole world of app opportunity opens up
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I didn't say "type" of app. I was talking about the quality of those apps and the devs who are crooks being allowed to post false and misleading apps.
mwako said:
They won't i think imo, Look at the Xbox, We get wave bans/Yearly updates even though they have teams following the forums for what's going on.
Jtags were aloud on-line for years until recently.
I'm just happy i have another device in C# so i can continue to make games and apps to make myself laugh.
MS thrive off hackers and modders imo telling them what's wrong and what people want without risking doing it themselves or overloading this first release scaring people off like the previous WM versions. it's all open source in a hackers mind, but the hacker can't sell the modified ROM can he , MS just release an update with more features*clever really*, where's the white line ? they just wait to see what's popular, same like FSD did for the xbox imo with all the media functionality.
*thats my 2pence *
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Just to clarify on the jtag thing, it was most definitly not years, more like weeks. When the first freeboot was released it was only a few weeks later which Microsoft made changes to ban anyone in a few hours after logging on live with a jtag. Sure you could use the king kong shader hack and run a bit of custom code long before freeboot but it was nothing amazing and you could not get online with the latest dash.
I think that Microsoft only really takes quick action when it poses a serious security threat, as with the jtag it allowed custom code and modified xex's to be run online whereas with just modded firmware you cannot, and modded firmware mostly just leads to piracy and a few cheaters with modded games. So as for WP7 at the moment I dont think that they will rush an update out just to patch up this hole.
Too much investment to let it die
adesonic said:
The bigger issue is that the buzz from all the 'I want local outlook sync because I am scared of the cloud' brigade and the 'I want file explorer' gang is going to kill the platform before long, Microsoft are going to have to hack about with wp7 to meet their needs which is a shame, because if people took the time to think they would realise that:
1. Cloud solutions for syncing stuff can be simple and free ( hotmail, gmail mail forwarding)
2. Their emails are in the cloud already
3. Skydrive is a simple and free way to sync docs (although office integration needs to improve)
4. In terms of privacy, if you have something private on a laptop that you connect to the Internet and someone really, really wants it, they will get it!
5. Privacy again, with a cloud connected handset that you lose, you have the option of remotely erasing it.
I feel like I am in a minority that likes the way ms are going but I worry that because of all the negative rubbish on these forums and others, wp7 will die and I will have to go back to android or worse still ios
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Hi all
I don't think M$ will let WP7 die. They've invested too heavily in it to let it go. I am in the minority camp here but I think that a lot of average users quite like what is on offer. I've shown my HTC Mozart to a few people who haven't ever used a smartphone and they were all "Wow! What is that? It looks amazing!"
I think it will do OK.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
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I didn't say "type" of app. I was talking about the quality of those apps and the devs who are crooks being allowed to post false and misleading apps.
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it's the same for any app store. iTunes app store probably has the same proportion of good apps to bad as does windows phone, it's just iTunes has 100 times more apps.
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Hi all
I don't think M$ will let WP7 die. They've invested too heavily in it to let it go. I am in the minority camp here but I think that a lot of average users quite like what is on offer. I've shown my HTC Mozart to a few people who haven't ever used a smartphone and they were all "Wow! What is that? It looks amazing!"
I think it will do OK.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
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i've shown my phone to a bunch of iPhone users and they like it's look and feel. i don't have them throwing their iPhones away, but they definitely see it as a good phone and perhaps when it comes to them renewing their contracts (most of them have 3GS), they might think twice about just getting "another iPhone".
Where the hell all the talk of WP7 dying come from weeks after it's launch lol...
The marketplace is riddled with people rushing to get an APP out there. Will be like anything else every few days or so when we see a good app coming out.
Yipes.
adesonic said:
The bigger issue is that the buzz from all the 'I want local outlook sync because I am scared of the cloud' brigade and the 'I want file explorer' gang is going to kill the platform before long, Microsoft are going to have to hack about with wp7 to meet their needs which is a shame, because if people took the time to think they would realise that:
1. Cloud solutions for syncing stuff can be simple and free ( hotmail, gmail mail forwarding)
2. Their emails are in the cloud already
3. Skydrive is a simple and free way to sync docs (although office integration needs to improve)
4. In terms of privacy, if you have something private on a laptop that you connect to the Internet and someone really, really wants it, they will get it!
5. Privacy again, with a cloud connected handset that you lose, you have the option of remotely erasing it.
I feel like I am in a minority that likes the way ms are going but I worry that because of all the negative rubbish on these forums and others, wp7 will die and I will have to go back to android or worse still ios
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No the whole point of using Microsoft product is the way all their BUSINESS products offer tight and nice integration. I have no problems with cloud per say (I still don't trust them with security but that is just me I guess). Many people have invested heavily in Outlook and their work and life harmony depends of Outlook. Not giving them the ability to simply sync to Outlook is just pure lazyness. I am a software developer and I can see how they have taken simple route to eliminate sync issues.
You want ppl to use cloud contacts and calendar? Fine, ask Microsoft to first provide 50% of the available fields in Outlook! It's missing the most basic field such as Anniversary for a contact! The WP7 phone has that field but the Windows Live contact doesn't.
I doubt MS will rush to close this hole, if indeed, it's classed as a hole at all. Simple fact is, this sort of stuff is good for them, generally speaking. Particularly since they'll be able to block pirated apps from using live services, it deters piracy and promotes homebrew software to fill the gaps that would take them a lot of time and effort to fill. It's much more cost-effective to get a good base out there, and let the community pick up the slack and build on top of what they provide.
The fact is there are still other, much stronger protections that negate some of the traditional disadvantages a company may have with exploits of this kind. The protection that prevents people from porting WP7 to phones that have not had the licence paid for - means MS always gets their cash. The integration of the cloud also means they can detect pirated apps much more easily - for example, a Game accessing Xbox Live can have it's legitimacy checked server-side. Has that user purchased that game from the Marketplace? No? Deny them access. It adds a premium to staying genuine, and therefore, many will. That leaves the prime use for sideloading as homebrew, unverified software. Now, because it's unverified, they don't have to go to the trouble of supporting it, ensuring backwards compatibility as they move forward at a rapid pace, but yet their platform can still do *everything* it should be able to. And frankly, right now, MS know that profit is secondary to Market Share. A strong side-loading homebrew development scene can make serious inroads to the "open" environments that they are competing against, particularly Android.
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it's the same for any app store. iTunes app store probably has the same proportion of good apps to bad as does windows phone, it's just iTunes has 100 times more apps.
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Right now the WP7 app store is averaging 100%. The very first app I buy from this new store and it's false. That never happened with Android Market or iPhone App Store. But it is true, I need to give it time to get filled up. I'm just peeved at the bad del I got and the lack of a response from the money grabber.
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Right now the WP7 app store is averaging 100%. The very first app I buy from this new store and it's false. That never happened with Android Market or iPhone App Store. But it is true, I need to give it time to get filled up. I'm just peeved at the bad del I got and the lack of a response from the money grabber.
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I thought all apps came with a trial period?
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I doubt MS will rush to close this hole, if indeed, it's classed as a hole at all. Simple fact is, this sort of stuff is good for them, generally speaking. Particularly since they'll be able to block pirated apps from using live services, it deters piracy and promotes homebrew software to fill the gaps that would take them a lot of time and effort to fill. It's much more cost-effective to get a good base out there, and let the community pick up the slack and build on top of what they provide.
The fact is there are still other, much stronger protections that negate some of the traditional disadvantages a company may have with exploits of this kind. The protection that prevents people from porting WP7 to phones that have not had the licence paid for - means MS always gets their cash. The integration of the cloud also means they can detect pirated apps much more easily - for example, a Game accessing Xbox Live can have it's legitimacy checked server-side. Has that user purchased that game from the Marketplace? No? Deny them access. It adds a premium to staying genuine, and therefore, many will. That leaves the prime use for sideloading as homebrew, unverified software. Now, because it's unverified, they don't have to go to the trouble of supporting it, ensuring backwards compatibility as they move forward at a rapid pace, but yet their platform can still do *everything* it should be able to. And frankly, right now, MS know that profit is secondary to Market Share. A strong side-loading homebrew development scene can make serious inroads to the "open" environments that they are competing against, particularly Android.
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Totally agree with the above.
Ive had so many apps that suck so bad, they are so buggy and barely work. Such as Opentable, podcast, and several others. Makes me weary to even purchase full apps even though you can try them. Most apps available suck anyways.
I need:
Best buy app
Chipotle app
Panera bread app
Good podcast app
Good radio app
Good turn by turn navigation app
Opentable that actually works
and im sure there are several apps that I would like to use but not yet available, marketplace is full of bull crap. lets get some stuff people will actually use on a daily basis.
This whole market place concept is a bust.. just because it worked for iphone dosent necessarily mean it will work for wp7. They said marketing stuff like 'oh we have 6000 applications in marketplace!' Reality is its not even worth except for more than 1-2 of them to even download and waste time on.
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Ive had so many apps that suck so bad, they are so buggy and barely work. Such as Opentable, podcast, and several others. Makes me weary to even purchase full apps even though you can try them. Most apps available suck anyways.
I need:
Best buy app
Chipotle app
Panera bread app
Good podcast app
Good radio app
Good turn by turn navigation app
Opentable that actually works
and im sure there are several apps that I would like to use but not yet available, marketplace is full of bull crap. lets get some stuff people will actually use on a daily basis.
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Zune is great for podcasts. What do you want a podcast app to do? The Maps app has great TBT nav - no voice, though.
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I'm going to guess you don't like the radio that's already in there.
This is the kind of thing that may suck on WP7 phones for a little while...but i expected that didnt you?
The iphone apps were all full of crap when they first came out....it took time for people to get used to making them, I think the promising thing is that big companies are starting to bother making apps, so it shows people are getting serious.
I read it in an article that MS is a software company and if theres anyone who is going to be able to make it work at this sort of 'late entry' into the market its them.
I have at least 12 APPS I really like and that I use all the time
I think we are just guna have to wait for a bit
The marketplace idea is not a bust.
Developers who want to earn money selling their apps and games have a better chance when all the customers are funneled to one place, as opposed to having to search obscure sites, to find their product.
At that point, it's up to the developer to try to make a compelling enough product for the customer to think it's worth purchasing.
For the customer, they could go to one place to look for anything that is currently available for their phone. They can try out any application without risk, and if they feel that the product is worthy, they can purchase it easily. The rules for purchasing each app/game will be universal. They don't have to go through different payment processes with different companies.
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Reality is its not even worth except for more than 1-2 of them to even download and waste time on.
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Really? So which one or two out of the following do you feel is worth downloading?
Twitter
Facebook
Youtube
Microsoft Tag Reader
Adobe Reader
Shazam
IGN
IMDb
eBay
Flixter
These are just some of the apps I couldn't live without - however, if you manage to witter it down to 1 or 2 I'll post an updated list of all my "important" apps. Although, IMO, 99% of people would have maxed their 2 apps from the top 5 in the list above.
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Really? So which one or two out of the following do you feel is worth downloading?
Twitter
Facebook
Youtube
Microsoft Tag Reader
Adobe Reader
Shazam
IGN
IMDb
eBay
Flixter
These are just some of the apps I couldn't live without - however, if you manage to witter it down to 1 or 2 I'll post an updated list of all my "important" apps. Although, IMO, 99% of people would have maxed their 2 apps from the top 5 in the list above.
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This and more and more and more.
OP and hater beneath him, you're just being a little narrow minded tbh.
given that A LOT of the applications are data based, how is your network coverage? is it quite patchy? if so, this would explain why a lot of applications appear very bad constantly not responding/loading data.
as for the market place, i think it's a bit of a good and bad thing. the iPhone model is good for itself, but WP can't copy it completely because of the differences it has. for example, WP offers in app trial mode. this needs to be made more promonent and needs to encourage the end user that these apps work as a trial. with this, then more people who list their apps as a paid app would get better usage as people don't instantly think they have to pay anything to use it.
i personally don't buy any app unless i get a bit of a play with the app first. but the problem is, i have to go to each app to see if it has trial available. the market place needs to adjust to this variable in greater force because it's actually what makes the WP market place a great prospect and cancels out the duplicates which you see in the iOS market place (the free and paid version of apps).
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Really? So which one or two out of the following do you feel is worth downloading?
Twitter
Facebook
Youtube
Microsoft Tag Reader
Adobe Reader
Shazam
IGN
IMDb
eBay
Flixter
These are just some of the apps I couldn't live without - however, if you manage to witter it down to 1 or 2 I'll post an updated list of all my "important" apps. Although, IMO, 99% of people would have maxed their 2 apps from the top 5 in the list above.
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Other than Adobe Reader all other software you mentioned are useless to me. I am a smartphone user, not an Iphone user.
Oookayyy... so what do you want then?
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Oookayyy... so what do you want then?
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Better: Calendar, Appointments, Time Management, Alarm, Wallet, Book Keeping, Expense Records, Maps, Navigation, SMS/Mail Organizing, Dialer, Auto-Call Record, Call Management, Data Management etc etc you should get an idea ..
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Better: Calendar, Appointments, Time Management, Alarm, Wallet, Book Keeping, Expense Records, Maps, Navigation, SMS/Mail Organizing, Dialer, Auto-Call Record, Call Management, Data Management etc etc you should get an idea ..
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Most of which is part of the core OS - now if all you want are better implementations of the above, feel free to discuss what, specifically, needs fixing in the core experience.
If you ask me, the calendar, appointments, time management, alarms and email are all working fine out of the box - sure, we need better exchange support (server search etc), but it does what it's supposed to for now.
As for Book Keeping / Expense Records (why are you listing both?) - there are apps for this.
Bing Maps is included out of the box. Navigation may be poor, but there are apps for this that help somewhat.
In any case - if you need enterprise features like what you've listed above you're really not part of the target audience for WP7 at the moment. Something which has been very clear ever since the February unveiling of WP7 last year.
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Really? So which one or two out of the following do you feel is worth downloading?
Twitter
Facebook
Youtube
Microsoft Tag Reader
Adobe Reader
Shazam
IGN
IMDb
eBay
Flixter
These are just some of the apps I couldn't live without - however, if you manage to witter it down to 1 or 2 I'll post an updated list of all my "important" apps. Although, IMO, 99% of people would have maxed their 2 apps from the top 5 in the list above.
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See we are just two different people, KI dont have a twitter or Facebook account. So thats useless to me, Shazam I wont really use. But everything on your list is fine. My problem is that some apps that ive downloaded seem not to work like advertised and they crap out by running slow or not working at all. But I think im jumping the gun here, I just think we should have a better marketplace selection but I have to realize that the marketplace has just really opened to be honest. Just felt I needed to gripe about my experience
What's also a problem (for now) is that development for Windows Phone is so similar to developing for regular Windows environments: same tools, same programming languages, etc. A lot of "normal" Windows / .NET developers are early adopters of the platform and are having their go at developing a Windows Phone app. Unfortunately they don't always consider the limitations that the platforms has. They'll use a lot of heavy animation, request huge amounts of data, use imagery not optimized for mobile use. Thus: crappy apps.
I think over time this will all settle and the apps will become better.
That said, Microsoft does need to increase the overall app performance on the phone. There's a noticable difference between the built-in (native) apps and the managed apps.
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What's also a problem (for now) is that development for Windows Phone is so similar to developing for regular Windows environments: same tools, same programming languages, etc. A lot of "normal" Windows / .NET developers are early adopters of the platform and are having their go at developing a Windows Phone app. Unfortunately they don't always consider the limitations that the platforms has. They'll use a lot of heavy animation, request huge amounts of data, use imagery not optimized for mobile use. Thus: crappy apps.
I think over time this will all settle and the apps will become better.
That said, Microsoft does need to increase the overall app performance on the phone. There's a noticable difference between the built-in (native) apps and the managed apps.
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this is blatantly false. First of all unless you're doing game programming you can only make Silverlight apps. Most regular windows applications do not use silverlight! You would think the web designers who use that stuff can create better apps, guess not.
Secondly the reason for crappy apps is entirely microsoft's fault. To get your app published, you need to pay 99$ a year for a developers license and get your identity verified by some thirdparty. After that when you submit an app, it is supposed to get reviewed by a team at microsoft to verify that your app meets many of the app guideliness set (like not crashing!).
I remember going to Tech Days (microsoft developer conference) and hearing them bragging about how their app reviews ensured that only quality apps were released but lately the amount of **** apps that have been appearing on the app marketplace makes me think they are just auto approving anything without even checking to see if it works.
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this is blatantly false. First of all unless you're doing game programming you can only make Silverlight apps. Most regular windows applications do not use silverlight! You would think the web designers who use that stuff can create better apps, guess not.
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Zero windows applications use Silverlight. WPF maybe, but Silverlight is a web-only subset. What stringray actually said was:
Windows Phone is so similar to developing for regular Windows environments: same tools, same programming languages, etc.
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Which is correct. Visual Studio is the primary development tool for desktop and C# is very popular development language for desktop.
The rest of what you said is probably true. But you can never test an app and say that it will never crash. Do you remember WM6.5 when you downloaded an app to find it didn't even launch on your device? Well at least it's filtering out all that crap
Silverlight is not only for web development. I believe since Silverlight 3.0 you can use them as desktop applications as well.
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Secondly the reason for crappy apps is entirely microsoft's fault. To get your app published, you need to pay 99$ a year for a developers license and get your identity verified by some thirdparty. After that when you submit an app, it is supposed to get reviewed by a team at microsoft to verify that your app meets many of the app guideliness set (like not crashing!).
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How is the way you pay and get verified the reason why the apps are MS' fault?
Yea, they check them but rarely have I seen an app crash (actually I haven't yet but I'm not going to state that all of them have).
I just want to quickly point something to the ones you have hated apps.
Why don't you give feedback to developers? I have given serveral and emailed several feedback and have gotten a response each time. And each time, they take my feedback into consideration and either plan to implement them in the future.
As the end-user don't we want the best product? To get the best, we have to critique and help evolve the marketplace/apps. Only this way do developers know how to improve and what needs to be improved.
Otherwise they believe everything is dandy.
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this is blatantly false. First of all unless you're doing game programming you can only make Silverlight apps. Most regular windows applications do not use silverlight!
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Well, Silverlight development does resemble WPF programming a lot (afterall, it is a subset of WPF). And we've been doing WPF programming for years now, haven't we? Actually, if you stick to simply placing controls on a page and adding event code it resembles WinForms very much. And that last thing is what I see happening a lot. Many developers create some spaghetti app, which totally messes up tombstoning or page navigation.
Once developers get more comfortable with Windows Phone (Silverlight) programming, they'll see that things like the MVVM pattern, async processing , etc. actually do make sense and can be very helpful. And that's when the good apps are starting to get made.
Secondly the reason for crappy apps is entirely microsoft's fault. To get your app published, you need to pay 99$ a year for a developers license and get your identity verified by some thirdparty. After that when you submit an app, it is supposed to get reviewed by a team at microsoft to verify that your app meets many of the app guideliness set (like not crashing!).
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In general I think they do a really good job. Of course they had to learn in the beginning and a lot of faults were made. But the test department is getting better and better. The reports you get when an app fails certification are often very detailed.
Don't forget they check apps against the Guidelines. I agree there are a lot of stupid apps (Peace Sign app, anyone?). But those apps do follow the Guidelines.
Crashes are hard to predict and it's not that easy to test for them. Personally, I haven't experienced much app crashing on my device. In fact, I've seen more apps crash on my iOS devices than on my WP7.
Microsoft has said they collect crash dumps from all apps on the phone (at least, if you've opted in for that). I hope that someday they'll give us developers access to those dumps, so we can do post-mortem analysis of our app's crashes.
But lately the amount of **** apps that have been appearing on the app marketplace makes me think they are just auto approving anything without even checking to see if it works.
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Totally disagree. The apps may be not to your liking, but most of them do work according to the Guidelines. And did you give feedback to the developers of those apps? They often actually listen!
Hey guys!
I have an iPhone 4 and a Droid. Both have PingChat App, that I use a lot with my friends (wether cause almost everyone has an iPod, or they just don't want to use their texts with me). I don't have WP7. Yet. They have not been released in my country.
Whatever; I sent an e-mail to Enflick (PingChat's developers) if they have plans to WP7 app too.
The answer:
"At the moment I haven't heard of any plans to develop for WM7. Mainly due to the lack of demand it has shown."
Is the demand of WP7 that bad?!
I'm so in love with it ;/
Thanks!
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Hey guys!
I have an iPhone 4 and a Droid. Both have PingChat App, that I use a lot with my friends (wether cause almost everyone has an iPod, or they just don't want to use their texts with me). I don't have WP7. Yet. They have not been released in my country.
Whatever; I sent an e-mail to Enflick (PingChat's developers) if they have plans to WP7 app too.
The answer:
"At the moment I haven't heard of any plans to develop for WM7. Mainly due to the lack of demand it has shown."
Is the demand of WP7 that bad?!
I'm so in love with it ;/
Thanks!
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Well, I think demand now is Normal. Android started much worse than WP7. After a year I hope, that we will have a well developed market and much more features :] Well, many developers don't create apps for WP7, because it's just a start for them, but we will get better soon ;D
This time of the year (right after Christmas), demand will be much lower. Just wait a bit and people will be back to their normal shopping routines.
I've read somewhere that on the iPhone the most popular application, Angry Birds, was purchased by 10% of the user base. If there are two million WP7 devices out there, this means that the maximum a dev should expect is 200000 downloads, and most likely it'll be much less than that. So of course demand is not at the level where one should expect fast payback for serious development investment.
Maybe developers don't think it will pay off in the end for them.
I think there is a decent demand for it right now. It seems like more big names are being drawn to the platform. I am just happy that a Flickr app is coming to the platform soon, and they didn't need people to convince them to make an app.
mikeeam said:
Hey guys!
I have an iPhone 4 and a Droid. Both have PingChat App, that I use a lot with my friends (wether cause almost everyone has an iPod, or they just don't want to use their texts with me). I don't have WP7. Yet. They have not been released in my country.
Whatever; I sent an e-mail to Enflick (PingChat's developers) if they have plans to WP7 app too.
The answer:
"At the moment I haven't heard of any plans to develop for WM7. Mainly due to the lack of demand it has shown."
Is the demand of WP7 that bad?!
I'm so in love with it ;/
Thanks!
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I emailed them as well, indeed same response... too bad.
But I emailed whatsapp as well, stating that there is a way to access all the contacts by simply parsing the mobile website of contacts.live.com and go trough all the pages or a bit more of a hassle and use the live contact apis. Now They said in a response that they MIGHT investigate this possibility... does not seem to promising yet though.
Although whatsapp here is overtaking pingchat, pingchat is losing due to lack of support of other platforms in early stages. Whatsapp does and integrates with the phone contacts.
So it should be possible for them to easily acces the contacts and copy them to the phone, run a check if contacts changed if so modifie them on the phone as well. These apps seem not too difficult too make, so if they really want to make more money they should consider accessing the cloud for the contacts data.
but probably they wont, at least for a while. I convinced some iphone users to use textme, which seems to be comming to android and bb as well. However the push notifications are just highly unreliable on wp7 while on iphone they are instant. Which is pretty annoying
This is bad ;/
I never ever touched a WP7. Microsoft decided to bring to my country (Brazil) just second half of the year. I'm managing a way to buy one from another country
Is the notification slow?
Ah, a doubt: in iPhone you can't replace your default message app (at least, you can't download any from AppStore, just jailbreaking). Android lets user replace home, dialer, message app, etc.
WP7 lets the user to replace default system apps to third apps?
E.g.: Handcent SMS is way more powerful than defaults app!
The quick reply with the bubble thing is awesome. Just like BiteSMS for iPhone.
Does WP7 anything like this?
Thanks
mikeeam said:
This is bad ;/
I never ever touched a WP7. Microsoft decided to bring to my country (Brazil) just second half of the year. I'm managing a way to buy one from another country
Is the notification slow?
Ah, a doubt: in iPhone you can't replace your default message app (at least, you can't download any from AppStore, just jailbreaking). Android lets user replace home, dialer, message app, etc.
WP7 lets the user to replace default system apps to third apps?
E.g.: Handcent SMS is way more powerful than defaults app!
The quick reply with the bubble thing is awesome. Just like BiteSMS for iPhone.
Does WP7 anything like this?
Thanks
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Well, Android "lets" you to replace them, by leaving the old one and installing the new one. And then the old one has to be installed too, to get handcent or any other messaging app working. That's ****. MS doesn't let that and I think that default apps are very good and much, much better than Android's
the notification is not slow normally about 2 seconds. However its unreliable, sometimes it wont send the messages and you receive them 20 minutes later. There are more people with these issues http://forums.create.msdn.com/forums/t/67673.aspx I think you can assume that MS will fix this, since its a key feature of their OS and since as far as I know, it works fine with email, sms, call, etc. Just third the party apps have problems, I think.
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Is the notification slow?
Ah, a doubt: in iPhone you can't replace your default message app (at least, you can't download any from AppStore, just jailbreaking). Android lets user replace home, dialer, message app, etc.
WP7 lets the user to replace default system apps to third apps?
E.g.: Handcent SMS is way more powerful than defaults app!
The quick reply with the bubble thing is awesome. Just like BiteSMS for iPhone.
Does WP7 anything like this?
Thanks
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No. It is actually pretty quick to be honest.
I don't think you want to replace the default messaging, it does what you want it to. Just about every system default is up to par. Don't know why you would want to do that.
Android lets you do that because Handcent is considered better than default messaging, well default messaging is kind of bad (it keeps telling me send failed and something about force closing). And downloading a third party for email is kind of a given because the default email is terrible for anything not named gmail.
Yeap, I was just wondering. Apple doesn't allow it. So neither WP7?
Or just because you don't want to?
Bleh. So freaking anxious to buy one ;/
mikeeam said:
Yeap, I was just wondering. Apple doesn't allow it. So neither WP7?
Or just because you don't want to?
Bleh. So freaking anxious to buy one ;/
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Don't think you would need to. To be honest, messaging on WP7 is already top notch. It is simple and not in your face unnecessary. Although a nice feature would be reply from a popup, but I don't think there is a big demand for it right now.
Yeap. Apple doesn't have it. Neither Android (though it can be done just installing app from market).
They are not worried about it. And this is not reason to not buy it ;P
RESOLVED - app back in Market!
Looks like Amazon still has available.
It's a great app!
That's right it is still available on the Amazon Market but many of us have already purchased it on the Android Market, that is the issue.
Yes, I understand that as I purchased there also. Stinks that it's gone, probably carriers pushing for its ban.
I'm curious as well. Great app.
It's definitely the best voice over IP client for Android. I'll make sure I keep my copy backed up.
Y'all take a minute and write/call Google about it! Let's make them explain themselves! It's not right to do a dev like they did.
Here's the response I got from Google:
If you'd like additional details about why the app is no longer on Android Market, we recommend you contact the developer directly - we cannot provide any more information as to why the app is no longer available.
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That seems like a borderline dishonest reply in this case.
Looks like it's back up in the market.
Sweet, I was looking for something exactly like this! I can now natively use my Google Voice account in Canada without having to worry about forwarding numbers, etc... Just bought it for less than any other US to Canada service out there
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
Yup it's back in the Market. Apparently Google took issue with one of the lines of description, something like "Google Voice VOIP". Thankfully this issue, or non issue rather, has been resolved.