Is it normal that overnight phone discharges with a rate of 1% per hour?
thegios said:
Is it normal that overnight phone discharges with a rate of 1% per hour?
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That's what I'm seeing with AOD on. With it off (phone face down) it is less than half that (~0.4-0.5). Stock, rooted, ex kernel. Hoping we get some controls soon on AOD, namely disable while in DND mode.
DND?
thegios said:
DND?
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Do Not Disturb
AOD is indeed the culprit!!!
Is there a way, a sort of profile app, that can control DND and AOD at the same time?
thegios said:
AOD is indeed the culprit!!! Is there a way, a sort of profile app, that can control DND and AOD at the same time?
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I don't use Tasker, but some users have a profile I'm sure they would be willing to share. Personally, I don't charge overnight anymore so I just leave it face down at night. Works for me.
v12xke said:
I don't use Tasker, but some users have a profile I'm sure they would be willing to share. Personally, I don't charge overnight anymore so I just leave it face down at night. Works for me.
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If you have the AutoTools plugin alongside Tasker you can pretty easily set AOD to off based on whatever context you like.
For myself, I have a profile that turns AOD off whenever do not disturb is on, and I have another profile that enables do not disturb automatically overnight. So once that profile fires, the AOD one fires right after.
Even with it off though, I still go from 100 to about ~80-82 overnight (8 hours). I uninstalled Amplify and ForceDoze, thinking those two apps were conflicting, and in result becoming counter-productive. However, it only seemed to help by 1-2%
Edit: this is for the user I quoted if that changes your mind about using Tasker and also for OP if they believe AOD is the culprit
rickysidhu_ said:
If you have the AutoTools plugin alongside Tasker you can pretty easily set AOD to off based on whatever context you like.
For myself, I have a profile that turns AOD off whenever do not disturb is on, and I have another profile that enables do not disturb automatically overnight. So once that profile fires, the AOD one fires right after.
Even with it off though, I still go from 100 to about ~80-82 overnight (8 hours). I uninstalled Amplify and ForceDoze, thinking those two apps were conflicting, and in result becoming counter-productive. However, it only seemed to help by 1-2%
Edit: this is for the user I quoted if that changes your mind about using Tasker and also for OP if they believe AOD is the culprit
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Wow. That's pretty heavy idle drain man. I get 0.6%/hr max with AOD off, and 1% with it on 24/7. I don't need/want to use tasker and flipping the phone over works for me. Really, even a few percent overnight doesn't bother me. A few minutes on any charger and it's right back up there. This phone has the best battery life I've experienced. I just think a feature like AOD off with DND is a no-brainer. Apparently not at Google (yet).
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Wow. That's pretty heavy idle drain man. I get 0.6%/hr max with AOD off, and 1% with it on 24/7. I don't need/want to use tasker and flipping the phone over works for me. Really, even a few percent overnight doesn't bother me. A few minutes on any charger and it's right back up there. This phone has the best battery life I've experienced. I just think a feature like AOD off with DND is a no-brainer. Apparently not at Google (yet).
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Yeah, my SOT is great, between 6-8 hours but idle drain sucks for some reason. I just wish it was better because I usually leave my charger downstairs and have nothing to charge with in my bedroom. So waking up with nearly 10% gone is unfortunate. I really don't want to invest in another charger but I may have to ?
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Yeah, my SOT is great, between 6-8 hours but idle drain sucks for some reason. I just wish it was better because I usually leave my charger downstairs and have nothing to charge with in my bedroom. So waking up with nearly 10% gone is unfortunate. I really don't want to invest in another charger but I may have to
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C'mon man, any old 2.1A charger will do overnight. I do NOT sleep with my phone, lol! Its hard enough to sleep through the night w/o ANY phone noises/vibrations. No phones in the bedroom and everyone is on DND is the rule en mi casa. YMMV, amigo.
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Wow. That's pretty heavy idle drain man. I get 0.6%/hr max with AOD off, and 1% with it on 24/7. I don't need/want to use tasker and flipping the phone over works for me. Really, even a few percent overnight doesn't bother me. A few minutes on any charger and it's right back up there. This phone has the best battery life I've experienced. I just think a feature like AOD off with DND is a no-brainer. Apparently not at Google (yet).
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Flipping the phone over has no impact on battery life. That's just strange to even suggest that.
Also, as much as I like my Pixel 2 XL the charging speed from 90% to 100% is REALLY slow so "a few minutes on any charger and it's right back up there" isn't very accurate. If you plug in the Pixel 2 XL to the stock charger at 85% it's like an hour before it's 100%.
I could see AOD off with DND as being a nice option but only if it is an option. AOD should not have to be off just because DND is on.
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Flipping the phone over has no impact on battery life. That's just strange to even suggest that. Also, as much as I like my Pixel 2 XL the charging speed from 90% to 100% is REALLY slow so "a few minutes on any charger and it's right back up there" isn't very accurate. If you plug in the Pixel 2 XL to the stock charger at 85% it's like an hour before it's 100%. I could see AOD off with DND as being a nice option but only if it is an option. AOD should not have to be off just because DND is on.
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Wut? You're confused. Flipping the phone over kills AOD because the proximity sensor working properly thinks the phone is in your pocket. Apparently you haven't tested this like I have every night for weeks.
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Wut? You're confused. Flipping the phone over kills AOD because the proximity sensor working properly thinks the phone is in your pocket you cheeky twat (y pendejo tambien). Apparently you haven't tested this like I have every night for weeks.
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Well then either something is wrong with your phone or something is wrong with my phone because covering the proximity sensor does NOT turn off the AOD on my phone. And seriously, no need for being an asshole. Really? Resorting to name calling? Grow up.
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C'mon man, any old 2.1A charger will do overnight. I do NOT sleep with my phone, lol! Its hard enough to sleep through the night w/o ANY phone noises/vibrations. No phones in the bedroom and everyone is on DND is the rule en mi casa. YMMV, amigo.
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Yeah I could, I just get a bit worried when using any charger that isn't made for my device lol. Probably doesn't do harm but my OCD won't let me use any other charger haha
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Wut? You're confused. Flipping the phone over kills AOD because the proximity sensor working properly thinks the phone is in your pocket. Apparently you haven't tested this like I have every night for weeks.
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Well then either something is wrong with your phone or something is wrong with my phone because covering the proximity sensor does NOT turn off the AOD on my phone. And seriously, no need for being an asshole. Really? Resorting to name calling? Grow up.
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OK.. Sorry, I'm drinking Tequila again. Apologies. But YES, my AOD turns off when I flip the phone. I run EX Kernel and can quantify the idle drain difference (battery monitor) by flipping the phone over for several weeks. Idle drain drops from 1.0-1.1% down to 0.5-0.6% by just flipping the phone. Check it, and don't bring charging rates into a discharge thread, cabron.
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OK.. Sorry, I'm drinking Tequila again. Apologies. But YES, my AOD turns off when I flip the phone. I run EX Kernel and can quantify the idle drain difference (battery monitor) by flipping the phone over for several weeks. Idle drain drops from 1.0-1.1% down to 0.5-0.6% by just flipping the phone. Check it, and don't bring charging rates into a discharge thread, cabron.
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Well then I guess my phone has a defect because covering the proximity sensor does not turn off the AOD. The proximity sensor does work just fine on calls.
I don't really care too much because I don't usually use AOD due to fear of burn in since that more than anything else is what would be most likely to cause burn in. Although if I get my phone replaced under warranty so that covering the proximity sensor does turn off AOD then maybe it might not as much of an issue. At the same time that would likely result in me leaving the phone upside down when it's not in my pocket to prevent burn in which really defeats the purpose of the AOD. I'll probably just live with the defect since it won't really matter anyways.
As far as the charging speed I was directly addressing a comment that had been made that was untrue so while that might not be there topic of this thread it was relevant to the discussion.
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Well then I guess my phone has a defect because covering the proximity sensor does not turn off the AOD. The proximity sensor does work just fine on calls.
I don't really care too much because I don't usually use AOD due to fear of burn in since that more than anything else is what would be most likely to cause burn in. Although if I get my phone replaced under warranty so that covering the proximity sensor does turn off AOD then maybe it might not as much of an issue. At the same time that would likely result in me leaving the phone upside down when it's not in my pocket to prevent burn in which really defeats the purpose of the AOD. I'll probably just live with the defect since it won't really matter anyways.
As far as the charging speed I was directly addressing a comment that had been made that was untrue so while that might not be there topic of this thread it was relevant to the discussion.
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Covering the sensor should absolutely turn off your AOD
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murso74 said:
Covering the sensor should absolutely turn off your AOD
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Then I guess my phone is defective. Although, the proximity sensor does work correctly during calls so I suspect more likely a software bug is my issue. Either way I don't really care.
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Well then I guess my phone has a defect because covering the proximity sensor does not turn off the AOD. The proximity sensor does work just fine on calls.
I don't really care too much because I don't usually use AOD due to fear of burn in since that more than anything else is what would be most likely to cause burn in. Although if I get my phone replaced under warranty so that covering the proximity sensor does turn off AOD then maybe it might not as much of an issue. At the same time that would likely result in me leaving the phone upside down when it's not in my pocket to prevent burn in which really defeats the purpose of the AOD. I'll probably just live with the defect since it won't really matter anyways.
As far as the charging speed I was directly addressing a comment that had been made that was untrue so while that might not be there topic of this thread it was relevant to the discussion.
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Actually, the clock moves slightly each minute to prevent burn-in. That shouldn't be a problem with AOD on this device.
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Then I guess my phone is defective. Although, the proximity sensor does work correctly during calls so I suspect more likely a software bug is my issue. Either way I don't really care.
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You need to cover the sensor for like 5 or more seconds. It is not instant. Have you tested that? Keep it covered and it should turn off.
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A friend of mine has a Motorola Razr which automatically switches to standby (screen off) when it's put into his pocket.
Does anyone know if there's a way for us HOX users to accomplish this?
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A friend of mine has a Motorola Razr which automatically switches to standby (screen off) when it's put into his pocket.
Does anyone know if there's a way for us HOX users to accomplish this?
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Man, I feel like an advertisement recently, but I feel like this would be something not too hard to accomplish with Tasker. If light levels drop to near nothing and the proximity sensor detects a very short distance, like the phone is in your pocket, it turns the screen off. I'd also put in an if for disabling this function when you're on a call, just because it already does it and I don't know if it'd interfere. You could test it though.
Battery use might be a concern if it polls the sensors too much. Would have to look into it.
Edit: I set up a simple test for this on my Infuse, and I got it to work, but it doesn't work instantaneously. The sensors are only polled every x number of seconds, but I don't know what that number is exactly. I suspect it shouldn't take more battery than it would if you had auto brightness on, and with auto brightness on, it's probably already updating the value, if it isn't always anyway (I want to say it does regardless), so I guess battery shouldn't be a concern. I guess it turning off with a couple of seconds of delay is still better than it staying on for 30+ seconds.
I know this is an issue with the S2 but it seems to follow to the S3. I have the phone next to my bed so with the bigger & brighter screen, it lights up the entire room and wakes me up. I dont want to place a cover over the screen like what I did with my S2 so any other suggestion?
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I know this is an issue with the S2 but it seems to follow to the S3. I have the phone next to my bed so with the bigger & brighter screen, it lights up the entire room and wakes me up. I dont want to place a cover over the screen like what I did with my S2 so any other suggestion?
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Isn't this more to do with the notification that the battery is now fully charged? When the notification appears, it will turn the screen on. Does the same happen when you get a late night text or something?
Unfortunately, I can't find anything that will turn off notifications. You could try "Profile Scheduler" by Wetpalm. While this function isn't currently available in the current version, a quick e-mail to the developer may get him to add this as an option. It would be nice to say when docked, and its after 11pm, don't turn the screen on. I'm not sure if this is feasible, but give it a go.
HTH.
whats if you set the brightness to lowest? do you still wake up then?
Can't you just turn off notification from toggle? Or don't use the dock at night and charge with cable turn phone face down...
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Sounds like a fairly easy job for tasker.
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totally agree on this one
I advise you to place your phone a little far away from you, especially when charging, because this causes much more rediation, does harm to you. And even if it turns on when fully charged, it won't affect you much.
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this causes much more rediation, does harm to you
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Couldn't agree more. I would also recommend wearing a tin foil hat to bed (you can buy these or make them yourself) to further limit the severe impact that the aforementioned 'rediation' has on your soft, vulnerable brain tissue.
This made me laugh "rediation" why not build a faraday cage too then ?
I know it is annoying when your room is pitch black and you recieve a text or what ever then the screen lights up the room lol life is not easy...
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Isn't this more to do with the notification that the battery is now fully charged? When the notification appears, it will turn the screen on. Does the same happen when you get a late night text or something?
Unfortunately, I can't find anything that will turn off notifications. You could try "Profile Scheduler" by Wetpalm. While this function isn't currently available in the current version, a quick e-mail to the developer may get him to add this as an option. It would be nice to say when docked, and its after 11pm, don't turn the screen on. I'm not sure if this is feasible, but give it a go.
HTH.
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When battery gets to 100% charged, it will power on and goes to the home screen. it's not a txt/email notification, it's a full battery notification. I now charge my phone to complete before going to bed which seems to help with the 2AM wakeup.
Unfortunately, need to keep phone close by since I work in incident management. I get those late night calls when things happen and you all should be happy that there are people like me around It could save your life or a love one's life.
I'll try tasker later this week to see if I can get it to work otherwise I'll try your recommendation. Thanks!
Hey guys
silly question, but if you leave the ambient clock on, will this cause burn in? I use my phone as an alarm when I go to bed
I did take teh Nov update, but no way to confirm if the burn issue is fixed.
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have you seen any reports of burn in from the ambient display? NO. So there's your answer. If this was happening it would be blown out of proportion just like everything else with the display.
You mean the always on dim display thing? They said it moves around to avoid that.
Well the pixels displaying your time and notifications are on while the rest of the screen is off. There's the possibility for uneven wear, but I doubt it would ever show or you would never notice it.
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silly question, but if you leave the ambient clock on, will this cause burn in? I use my phone as an alarm when I go to bed
I did take teh Nov update, but no way to confirm if the burn issue is fixed.
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It still does wear pixels unevenly but the amount of time it would need with it being moved every minute in a zigzag pattern makes it pass the burn-in concern. I'd say if you use your phone normally you'd see something show up in 1-2 years. However, if you leave your phone under a bright light for long periods of time you might want to disable always on display feature.
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If you are worried about it put the phone face down. The prox sensor turns it off.
Hello guys, some questions
Does always on drain so much battery during the day? We talk about how much percentage/day?
Also, does it increases the risk of burn in the display by letting it be active? Thank you so much
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Hello guys, some questions
Does always on drain so much battery during the day? We talk about how much percentage/day?
Also, does it increases the risk of burn in the display by letting it be active? Thank you so much
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I just ordered my 4th replacement phone due to burn in issues.
Battery is great on all of them
Burn in is less with the Nov update but was still noticable after about 7 days
hbkekko said:
Hello guys, some questions
Does always on drain so much battery during the day? We talk about how much percentage/day?
Also, does it increases the risk of burn in the display by letting it be active? Thank you so much
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They only time I'd worry want it is when charging overnight but just in case I've enabled the screensaver option to turn on when charging. Now the clock will move around when it's charging.
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biggiestuff said:
They only time I'd worry want it is when charging overnight but just in case I've enabled the screensaver option to turn on when charging. Now the clock will move around when it's charging.
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I have enabled screensaver to turn on when charging but it doesn't seem to be working. Still looks like the regular Always on Display.
I don't think in all my years with Android have I ever seen screensaver working.
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I have enabled screensaver to turn on when charging but it doesn't seem to be working. Still looks like the regular Always on Display.
I don't think in all my years with Android have I ever seen screensaver working.
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Make sure you not only enable it but select when it comes on. Default is "when docked". You need to change it to "when charging"
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RoccoN4 said:
I have enabled screensaver to turn on when charging but it doesn't seem to be working. Still looks like the regular Always on Display.
I don't think in all my years with Android have I ever seen screensaver working.
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i know im way late but you also cant have the "screen will not sleep when charging" option set in the developer options
i had to turn this off to get the moving screen saver clock to pop up
hbkekko said:
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Does always on drain so much battery during the day? We talk about how much percentage/day?
Also, does it increases the risk of burn in the display by letting it be active? Thank you so much
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I don't really use always on display but it does require the screen to constantly be using power so yes, it would take more battery.
Yes, it does increase the risk of burn in. The clock does move around slightly but not enough to prevent some pixel from staying on constantly.
parakleet said:
I just ordered my 4th replacement phone due to burn in issues.
Battery is great on all of them
Burn in is less with the Nov update but was still noticable after about 7 days
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Wow 4 replacements due to burn in and only after 7 days? Is it the clock of the always on display that is burning in? Pretty crazy if it is. I've had my Pixel 2 XL for almost 4 months and not even the slightest trace of burn in. I do see some image retention once in a while but it's usually gone after 2-3 seconds and never lasts more than 10 seconds.
I am having an old panel (sep manufacturing date) that should be prone to burn-in. No signs of burn in until now! *knocks on wood*
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Anyone keep always on display off due to potential burn in?
I prefer always off, but the terrible implementation of double tap to wake forces me to keep it on.
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Hi Anyone keep always on display off due to potential burn in?
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No... I love it and the now playing music as well. The only issue I have is the AOD is too dim in a pitch black dark room. All other light levels it works fine. :good:
Does it move around like the Samsung phones or will it just burn in?
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I don't use it but the AOD moves around, it doesn't stay stationary so it shouldn't cause burn in.
It does not move around on this phone.
Stays same place.
Never seen it move.
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It does not move around on this phone.
Stays same place.
Never seen it move.
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It moves a few pixels every minute. Watch it when the time changes. It's not much but it does move
Agree, it moves fractionally...
Always on is annoying to me I keep mine set to Lift to Check phone
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Agree, it moves fractionally...
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Yeah, it doesn't move nearly enough to alleviate my concern of burn-in. Especially with this screen. On the S8 it would move all over the place, even down to the bottom of the screen. Now, that's how you prevent burn-in. Just moving it back and forth between a few small pixel variations is not going to properly prevent burn-in.
For this reason, I have always on display turned off. Not worth the risk to me.
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It moves a few pixels every minute. Watch it when the time changes. It's not much but it does move
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I don't see how that helps. Burn in is caused by uneven pixel aging. If it's only moving a few pixels back and forth then it's really still the same part of the screen that is having the pixels age more than the rest of the screen.
Always on is always on here, no burn in so far. Works brilliantly.
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No... I love it and the now playing music as well. The only issue I have is the AOD is too dim in a pitch black dark room. All other light levels it works fine. :good:
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It's much improved in the dp2. Hopefully that sticks in the final release
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One question about the Always On Display (I don't want to open a new thread for this) - is there a way to have the "Lockscreen"/Always-On-Display rotate to landscape mode?
When I am having my Pixel 2 XL on the magnet mount in my car in landscape mode, it would be great that the AoD also rotates...haven't come up with an idea yet, unfortunately.
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I don't see how that helps. Burn in is caused by uneven pixel aging. If it's only moving a few pixels back and forth then it's really still the same part of the screen that is having the pixels age more than the rest of the screen.
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I didn't say it helps I was just saying it does move to the post I quoted. That said I've had my phone since 10/19 with AOD on ever since and have no burn in.
henderjr said:
I didn't say it helps I was just saying it does move to the post I quoted. That said I've had my phone since 10/19 with AOD on ever since and have no burn in.
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Ok, my misunderstanding.
I got my phone on 10/24 and so far I have left AOD off. I have "Double-tap to check phone" and "Lift to check phone" turned on.
I have kept AOD off for 2 reason:
1. The fear of burn in. You may not have seen it but it does seem to me to be the most likely thing on the phone to cause burn-in since those pixels would always be on. Between 10 and 12 (am and pm) you would have the 1 digit always on and whatever shift occurs isn't noticeable so it's likely just than the width of pixels of the 1 digit. So you would effectively have pixels literally active 24 hours a day. That kind of worries me so I leave it off just as a precaution.
2. Impact on battery life. Having AOD on results in having to render, refresh and illuminate pixels 24 hours a day. Even with the great battery life I could still see the battery life being noticeably decreased.
I really wish there was more customization options, or at least the battery status displayed for AOD.
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Ok, my misunderstanding.
I got my phone on 10/24 and so far I have left AOD off. I have "Double-tap to check phone" and "Lift to check phone" turned on.
I have kept AOD off for 2 reason:
1. The fear of burn in. You may not have seen it but it does seem to me to be the most likely thing on the phone to cause burn-in since those pixels would always be on. Between 10 and 12 (am and pm) you would have the 1 digit always on and whatever shift occurs isn't noticeable so it's likely just than the width of pixels of the 1 digit. So you would effectively have pixels literally active 24 hours a day. That kind of worries me so I leave it off just as a precaution.
2. Impact on battery life. Having AOD on results in having to render, refresh and illuminate pixels 24 hours a day. Even with the great battery life I could still see the battery life being noticeably decreased.
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Fair enough. I tried turning it off last night and by this morning I turned it back on. Just getting ready for work this morning I missed not being able to glance over at the time as well as seeing it in my car on the dock. If there was a way to turn it on schedule or something that'd be nice. Maybe tasker could do it somehow..
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I really wish there was more customization options, or at least the battery status displayed for AOD.
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Yeah me too. Maybe once ROMs become prevalent there will be
Moostafa29 said:
I really wish there was more customization options, or at least the battery status displayed for AOD.
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Yeah me too. Maybe once ROMs become prevalent there will be
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If you use Accubattery, it displays the charge level on AOD with a circle around it. After the N6P I was paranoid about the battery so installed AB to confirm my battery was solid. (106% capacity). It may be a workaround until some dev comes along and provides that without having to install an app. Also THIS ARTICLE in XDA gives some hope. See the last paragraph on "other applications". :good:
I have a question on AOD. If you are listening to Google Play Music, does it show what song you are listening to? Or do you have to go to the actual lockscreen to see that? Thanks.