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LG Update History Myth

I have seen a lot of people say that they would not get the V30 or any LG phone because they suck at updates. I knew this was not entirely true from when I owned a G3 the updates were actually pretty good. I remember specifically the G3 being the first non-Google phone to get Lollipop update.
So I thought maybe their updates have gotten worse and decided to do some research. The best way to tell how good updates will be in the V30 is to see how the updates were on the V phone which has been out for a good while. Of course that's the V10. So here are my findings of the update history for the V10 which will likely indicate how the V30 updates will be.
Unlocked models:
Released November 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 March 2016
Upgraded from 6.0 to 7.0 on July 2017
Latest Security Patch September 2017 or possibly newer
T-Mobile model
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on April 2016
Upgraded from 6.0 to 7.0 on July 2017
Latest Security Patch September 2017
AT&T model
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on April 2016
NEVER upgraded to 7.0 still today
Verizon
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on March 2016
NEVER upgraded to 7.0 still today
CONCLUSION: past updates for the V10 released 2 years ago shows if you buy a V30 on T-Mobile or unlocked version then you will receive updates and security patches for up to 2 years. If you purchase on Verizon or AT&T then updates will only be for about 1 year.
So from this actually LG is very good with updates!! People just think they are not because it is Verizon and AT&T who are the ones holding back updates.
Also 1 additional note, the V10 was never released on Sprint, but the V30+ was, and Sprint has a very good update history. So the V30+ will likely receive 2 years of updates on Sprint too. Unfortunately their network is the worst.
Hopefully this clears up the myth that LG doesn't update their phones. The only thing they are bad at is taking a few months to release the update after Google has released the update (which most companies do), but they do still push out the updates for 2 years. It's the 2 biggest carriers Verizon and AT&T that do not, or at least did not with the V10. Therefore giving the perception LG is bad at updates when theyre not.

You forgot the H870 which is still on July patch, same happened with G5 H850 last year.
LG is good with major updates for speed, for patches and minor updates is one of the worst.
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Just realized that all those data are about the V10... Why? Use more recent phones for right comparison at least, anyway you can sum up the LG updates year like this:
- Release-November: One update for two months
- November-December: Major update
- January-end of the updates: random

Just curious, what's so important about not getting security updates? What would happen if we don't receive it?
Sent from my HTC One M9 using Tapatalk

melihcarter said:
Just curious, what's so important about not getting security updates? What would happen if we don't receive it?
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Nothing, your device will be vulnerable to some vulnerabilities, which 99% of times are nothing urgent, but krack is something dangerous

Killua96 said:
Nothing, your device will be vulnerable to some vulnerabilities, which 99% of times are nothing urgent, but krack is something dangerous
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Thank you for clarifying, now I'm on htc m9, don't remember the last time I got one
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melihcarter said:
Thank you for clarifying, now I'm on htc m9, don't remember the last time I got one
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Probably because you're out of the 2 years support xD

my sister LG G5 last android security update is on Apr 2017.
suck at update? you bet.

As we said, horrible. Especially the Nougat (7.0) updates.
Nougat 7.0 was released by Google in August 2016.
Oreo 8.0 was released by Google in August 2017.
So, those LG V10 phones below that got Nougat in July 2017 had to wait 11 months (July 2017) after Google released Nougat in August 2016, to get it on their phones -- just one month before Oreo 8.0 was released by Google. Some of the LG V10 phones still have never received it -- over 14 months now? Even for those who got Nougat, it shouldn't take 11 months after OS release for an LG flagship phone to get that version. And those that never got it?
When Nougat 7.0 was released in August 2016, the V10 was LESS than 1 year old, having been released in October 2015. When Nougat was released in August 2016, the V20 had not yet been released. It was STILL the newest, most current "V" by LG. See what I mean?
The 2016 LG V20 was LAUNCHED with Nougat on board. But for some reason the LG V10 didn't get Nougat until almost a year after that -- July 2017.
I'm buying a carrier unlocked model, so there's no excuses about ROM OS updates. Those updates will come straight from LG. I hope they do better with the LG V30. I'll be rooted, running a custom ROM -- but to keep DAC and full camera features it may have to be stock-based custom ROM. That worries me...
AndroidPurity said:
I have seen a lot of people say that they would not get the V30 or any LG phone because they suck at updates. I knew this was not entirely true from when I owned a G3 the updates were actually pretty good. I remember specifically the G3 being the first non-Google phone to get Lollipop update.
So I thought maybe their updates have gotten worse and decided to do some research. The best way to tell how good updates will be in the V30 is to see how the updates were on the V phone which has been out for a good while. Of course that's the V10. So here are my findings of the update history for the V10 which will likely indicate how the V30 updates will be.
Unlocked US model:
Released November 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 March 2016 (6.0 Marshmallow was released by Google in October 2015)
Upgraded from 6.0 to 7.0 on July 2017 (7.0 Nougat was released by Google in August 2016. Why 11 months for a phone less than 2 years old?)
Latest Security Patch September 2017 or possibly newer
T-Mobile model
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on April 2016 (6.0 Marshmallow was released by Google in October 2015)
Upgraded from 6.0 to 7.0 on July 2017 (7.0 Nougat was released by Google in August 2016. Why 11 months for a phone less than 2 years old?)
Latest Security Patch September 2017
AT&T model
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on April 2016 (6.0 Marshmallow was released by Google in October 2015)
NEVER upgraded to 7.0 still today (7.0 Nougat was released by Google in August 2016. Where's Nougat for the past year?)
Verizon
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on March 2016 (6.0 Marshmallow was released by Google in October 2015)
NEVER upgraded to 7.0 still today (7.0 Nougat was released by Google in August 2016. Where's Nougat for the past year?)
CONCLUSION: past updates for the V10 released 2 years ago shows if you buy a V30 on T-Mobile or unlocked version then you will receive updates and security patches for up to 2 years. If you purchase on Verizon or AT&T then updates will only be for about 1 year.
So from this actually LG is very good with updates!! People just think they are not because it is Verizon and AT&T who are the ones holding back updates.
Also 1 additional note, the V10 was never released on Sprint, but the V30+ was, and Sprint has a very good update history. So the V30+ will likely receive 2 years of updates on Sprint too. Unfortunately their network is the worst.
Hopefully this clears up the myth that LG doesn't update their phones. The only thing they are bad at is taking a few months to release the update after Google has released the update (which most companies do), but they do still push out the updates for 2 years. It's the 2 biggest carriers Verizon and AT&T that do not, or at least did not with the V10. Therefore giving the perception LG is bad at updates when theyre not.
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Killua96 said:
You forgot the H870 which is still on July patch, same happened with G5 H850 last year.
LG is good with major updates for speed, for patches and minor updates is one of the worst.
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Just realized that all those data are about the V10... Why? Use more recent phones for right comparison at least, anyway you can sum up the LG updates year like this:
- Release-November: One update for two months
- November-December: Major update
- January-end of the updates: random
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I used the V10 instead of V20 because it's been out for 2 years. Therefore it is the only V phone released that can give us an update what updates will be like for 2 years. The V20 can only give us 1 year of update history to look at for comparison.
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my sister LG G5 last android security update is on Apr 2017.
suck at update? you bet.
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Yeah but which carrier? If it is At&t or Verizon, then that's why. That's not LG's fault because LG has released other updates since then.
ChazzMatt said:
As we said, horrible. Especially the Nougat (7.0) updates.
Nougat 7.0 was released by Google in August 2016.
Oreo 8.0 was released by Google in August 2017.
So, those LG V10 phones below that got Nougat in July 2017 had to wait 11 months (July 2017) after Google released Nougat in August 2016, to get it on their phones -- just one month before Oreo 8.0 was released by Google. Some of the LG V10 phones still have never received it -- over 14 months now? Even for those who got Nougat, it shouldn't take 11 months after OS release for an LG flagship phone to get that version. And those that never got it?
When Nougat 7.0 was released in August 2016, the V10 was LESS than 1 year old, having been released in October 2015. When Nougat was released in August 2016, the V20 had not yet been released. It was STILL the newest, most current "V" by LG. See what I mean?
The 2016 LG V20 was LAUNCHED with Nougat on board. But for some reason the LG V10 didn't get Nougat until almost a year after that -- July 2017.
I'm buying a carrier unlocked model, so there's no excuses about ROM OS updates. Those updates will come straight from LG. I hope they do better with the LG V30. I'll be rooted, running a custom ROM -- but to keep DAC and full camera features it may have to be stock-based custom ROM. That worries me...
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Technically LG released 7.0 in May 2017 for unlocked in Korea. But then it took T-Mobile another 3 months. So only 8 months can technically be blamed on LG, which yes is still way too long. Also you can't use "some​ of the V10s" not getting the update, as a excuse why LG is bad with updates. Any day passed the day LG updates the unlocked model, then those days or months can only be blamed on the carrier the phone came from.
Also keep in mind the unlocked V20 and the t-mobile V20 are on the 2nd newest security update right now, September 2017. Something I didn't mention in my original post. So that's a really good sign too.
Although yes, I totally do not blame you from buying unlocked. It is the fastest with updates. However surprisingly T-Mobile is able to usually be right behind with in a month of LG.
So in summary LG updates their flagships with updates for 2 years! Except they can lag months behind in pushing out the updates. Hopefully with V30 being the most popular V phone yet this will make them more eager to push out the updates faster.

AndroidPurity said:
Also you can't use "some​ of the V10s" not getting the update, as a excuse why LG is bad with updates. Any day passed the day LG updates the unlocked model, then those days or months can only be blamed on the carrier the phone came from.
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I used exactly the same examples you gave, and your examples are 11 months and "never" for Nougat.
There's no excuse for "11 months" (from LG for carrier unlocked version) to "never" (even if carriers may be partly to blame) for a flagship phone, when it was still the only "V" phone when Nougat was released, and the V20 launched with Nougat.
If you don't want to use carrier examples, why do you cite them yourself?
But when LG's behavior to the carrier unlocked version for the Nougat update is very bad.
If following the same timeline as the V10, we'll get Oreo when March 2018?
Peach Pie in July 2019?

AndroidPurity said:
Yeah but which carrier? If it is At&t or Verizon, then that's why. That's not LG's fault because LG has released other updates since then.
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international version.

ChazzMatt said:
I used exactly the same examples you gave, and your examples are 11 months and "never" for Nougat.
There's no excuse for "11 months" (from LG for carrier unlocked version) to "never" (even if carriers may be partly to blame) for a flagship phone, when it was still the only "V" phone when Nougat was released, and the V20 launched with Nougat.
If you don't want to use carrier examples, why do you cite them yourself?
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Multiple reasons! It was for comparison purposes. To demonstrate in the case of V10 not getting the 7.0, then it was carrier faults. Also for comparison to demonstrate LG pushed out updates a little faster than carriers. Also to compare each carrier to show which carrier was the fastest with updates. But not used to put blame on LG, because LG has no control over when the carrier updates once they give out the update of the unlocked version.
Lastly it wasn't 11 months, it was technically 8 months for unlocked version. My original post it was a mistake, i changed it from July to May. Articles announce the unlocked update May 2017. Although yes 8 months is still​ way too long. I never seen LG take that long for a major update though. So maybe it was a fluke.
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But when LG's behavior to the carrier unlocked version for the Nougat update is very bad.
If following the same timeline as the V10, we'll get Oreo when March 2018?
Peach Pie in July 2019?
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Haha! Yeah that's pretty accurate if you go based off the V10. However when the V20 gets Oreo will be a sign as to how fast we will get Android P. So keep an eye out for that.
Overall LG is far from the worst manufacturer​ with updates, but also far from the best. They are about middle of the pack. However when a device sells well (such as the V30 seems to be) it encourages companies to be faster with updates and support because theres way more people to disappoint.
For example my girlfriend's Sony Z3 from T-Mobile back in the day stopped updates after 5.0 when Sony went to at least 6.0. T-Mobile explained to me it was because they didn't sell much of the devices, so its not worth their time and money to invest research and development for updates of a phone that sold much less than other phones. That makes sense from a business perspective and that is the way these phone companies think.
So with that in mind I think its safe to say the V30 is going to be the best selling V phone so far. Possibly even sell close to as much as the G6. Especially if they drop the price about $200 in early 2018. So that increases the chances of LG wanting to develop more time and resources into the device because it's selling so well!

AndroidPurity said:
Lastly it wasn't 11 months, it was technically 8 months for unlocked version. My original post it was a mistake, i changed it from July to May. Articles announce the unlocked update May 2017. Although yes 8 months is still​ way too long. I never seen LG take that long for a major update though. So maybe it was a fluke.
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Your original post shows U.S. unlocked got Nougat in July 2017. I live in U.S.and will be buying U.S.carrier unlocked version.
Do you have a link showing the corrected date?
And yes, Motorola is very bad with updates too. I'm only on Nougat because of custom ROM.

ChazzMatt said:
Your original post shows U.S. unlocked got Nougat in July 2017. I live in U.S.and will be buying U.S.carrier unlocked version.
Do you have a link showing the corrected date?
And yes, Motorola is very bad with updates too. I'm only on Nougat because of custom ROM.
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Yep! 3 unlocked v10 models received the nougat update may 2017. I corrected my original post to may.
Here is the link ans it list the 3 model numbers that got it in may. Again still a long time, but 3 months earlier than the only carrier that updated it.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-V10-starts-receiving-the-Android-7.0-Nougat-update_id94415

CHAZZ, the speaker of truths!
this honestly was my hesitation in picking up the V30. my previous phone was the Nexus 6P and I LOVED being able to install the newest latest and greatest as soon as it dropped.
Phone manufactures really are doing themselves a disservice by not just dropping a vanilla ROM update asap and a branded OS as they see fit. They could simply omit those fancy features they bake into their ROMs.
Phone manufactures, want consumers to buy their phones for the experience...why?...why not attract consumers for the phone itself as well as the "experience". At that point you'll have 2 lines of consumers ready to buy your product. It's like when HTC? initially released some phones, they had their carrier branded phones that were spiffied up, and you could register that phone for for a developer account allowing you to install vanilla Android.

AndroidPurity said:
Yep! 3 unlocked v10 models received the nougat update may 2017. I corrected my original post to may.
Here is the link ans it list the 3 model numbers that got it in may. Again still a long time, but 3 months earlier than the only carrier that updated it.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-V10-starts-receiving-the-Android-7.0-Nougat-update_id94415
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Hmmm.. As you said, only South Korea models got it in May. Those are carrier models, sold in South Korea. Everyone else got it later.
The only caveat is the update is now being deployed in South Korea only.
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The official carrier unlocked version -- which is eligible for bootloader unlock code -- is not the same as those three South Korea carrier models.
I'm curious when the official carrier unlocked version got it. This model, which is listed on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list.
LG V10 H960A
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And the answer is July 14, 2017:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v10/general/official-software-h960a-v30b-nougat-t3636552/page1
So, your original email was correct, it was 11 months after Nougat was released before the official carrier unlocked version got the update.

I think since LG is including that two year warranty with most of our purchases on T-Mobile (thanks to the promo), I'd think we will see updates during that period.
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I was on the fence about keeping my pixel xl 2 or going with v30, this thread helped me make up my mind thanks

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I was on the fence about keeping my pixel xl 2 or going with v30, this thread helped me make up my mind thanks
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Well, with root (on the bootloader unlocked models) you can have custom ROMs. There will be plenty of dev work. The LG V30 will probably get Oreo ROMs before LG officially releases Oreo. This discussion is just if you want LG updates.
I'm just concerned about DAC and camera features. So, I may have to stay on stock-based ROM (debloated, tweaked, rooted), instead of LOS-based ROM. I don't know enough information yet.

ChazzMatt said:
Well, with root (on the bootloader unlocked models) you can have custom ROMs. There will be plenty of dev work. The LG V30 will probably get Oreo ROMs before LG officially releases Oreo. This discussion is just if you want LG updates.
I'm just concerned about DAC and camera features. So, I may have to stay on stock-based ROM, instead of LOS-based ROM. I don't know enough information yet.
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I'm not familiar with rooting and roms with lg. I've only done that with Nexus and pixel devices. Are they similar processes? Pixels and Nexus was very easy

Android Pie for V30 ?

Hi all, It's been a while since Android Pie is released, It will take atleast a year for the official update to arrive... But any developers working on Custom Roms based on Pie ?

Yes. Go down to Development.
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+

Dirty Unicorns will be released soon but if you want to try 9.0 Pie already add treble and try the GSI builds here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/project-treble/trebleenabled-device-development

Ainz_Ooal_Gown said:
Dirty Unicorns will be released soon but if you want to try 9.0 Pie already add treble and try the GSI builds here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/project-treble/trebleenabled-device-development
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A or AB?

DoubleJOption said:
A or AB?
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You want to flash A

Will using project Treble roms be as stable as non Treble roms ?

[email protected] said:
Will using project Treble roms be as stable as non Treble roms ?
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50/50 on that pixel experience 9.0 is pretty much stable

Is there a chance that non stick ROMs will have a fully functional HiFi DAC?

pmmleal said:
Is there a chance that non stick ROMs will have a fully functional HiFi DAC?
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Yes, if you use the right media player. Been discussed several times.
There is even one that works with. QUAD DAC and streaming audio, but it's a paid app.

ChazzMatt said:
Yes, if you use the right media player. Been discussed several times.
There is even one that works with. QUAD DAC and streaming audio, but it's a paid app.
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Thanks! I wasn't aware of that.
Do you know if the stock camera app works?

pmmleal said:
Thanks! I wasn't aware of that.
Do you know if the stock camera app works?
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No, not on AOSP ROMS. You can use the Google cam port.
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+

ChazzMatt said:
No, not on AOSP ROMS. You can use the Google cam port.
Sent via open market LG US998 V30/V30+
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That's a shame. I really like the manual mode on LG cam. I guess I'll wait ( lot) for the official update.
Is it possible that the V30S gets pie forts and the ROM can be ported?

pmmleal said:
That's a shame. I really like the manual mode on LG cam. I guess I'll wait ( lot) for the official update.
Is it possible that the V30S gets pie first and the ROM can be ported?
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Nothing needs to be ported from the V30S/V30+/V30. Are you perhaps thinking of the V35?
Any KDZ for US998 V30 works on V30S and vice versa. V30S is US998R (for more RAM):
* US998 V30 64GB/4GB RAM,
* US998U V30+ 128GB/4GB RAM,
* US998R V30S 128G/6GB RAM.
V30S is just a V30+ with more RAM. This is why WTF bootloader exploit also works on V30S.
They'll probably all get Pie the same time. But if the V30S does get Pie "first", then every US998 can immediately flash it.
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Nothing needs to be ported from the V30S/V30+/V30. Are you perhaps thinking of the V35?
Any KDZ for US998 V30 works on V30S and vice versa. V30S is US998R (for more RAM):
* US998 V30 64GB/4GB RAM,
* US998U V30+ 128GB/4GB RAM,
* US998R V30S 128G/6GB RAM.
V30S is just a V30+ with more RAM. This is why WTF bootloader exploit also works on V30S.
They'll probably all get Pie the same time. But if the V30S does get Pie "first", then every US998 can immediately flash it.
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Yes, I was thinking of the V35, my mistake.
LG put out so many versions of this phone sometimes I get confused.
Anyway, I think I'll wait for the official version to come out. I fine with Oreo, just wanted to try something fresh.
Thanks a lot!

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Is there a chance that non stick ROMs will have a fully functional HiFi DAC?
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Yes, on future builds (the DU build had it already working)
Just be patient, wont have the equalizer or so, but turning on/off and balance control works just fine.

SGCMarkus said:
Yes, on future builds (the DU build had it already working)
Just be patient, wont have the equalizer or so, but turning on/off and balance control works just fine.
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Thanks. I'll try to keep an eye open for new developments in pie ROMs.
And I didn't mean to sound impatient. I really appreciate all the work you devs put on this phone (and others).

SGCMarkus said:
Yes, on future builds (the DU build had it already working)
Just be patient, wont have the equalizer or so, but turning on/off and balance control works just fine.
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:highfive: nice work~

For anyone wondering where we fit in the grand scheme of things: Pie release dates for LG

karendar said:
For anyone wondering where we fit in the grand scheme of things: Pie release dates for LG
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I'm betting on Q2 2019 for non-Korean carrier V3O. Just like earlier this year for Oreo. They say Q1, which is ridiculous. Korean carrier V30 might receive in Q1, but the rest will be at least Q2.
And they say V40 is getting Oreo in Q4 2018. Ha! That's not true. That would be in the next month and there's not even beta yet.
That site doesn't understand reality.

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For anyone wondering where we fit in the grand scheme of things: Pie release dates for LG
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Translation: LG will keep pushing out the release dates because that's what LG does.
The fact that their flagship, v40, does not have Pie right now is downright embarrassing.

Update Android pie

How long it takes to become Update to Android 9.
Older devices from Moto like the Moto G6 get it.
For our Z2 Force no news.
Hope that I could use after that volte after Update to Android 9.
Now with Android 8 volte is disabled for european devices ?

Motorola Brazil said the next phones getting Pie are: Moto Z3 Play, Z2 Force, Z2 Play, G6 and G6 Play.
I believe we will get it with the March Update. There are probably a security update coming within the next days, so Pie will probably the update after that one.

Too bad we not even have 8.1
My favourite Substratum themes don't support 8.0 since a while and I am frustrated waiting for an update ....

Bietschek said:
How long it takes to become Update to Android 9.
Older devices from Moto like the Moto G6 get it.
For our Z2 Force no news.
Hope that I could use after that volte after Update to Android 9.
Now with Android 8 volte is disabled for european devices ?
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The Moto G6 is from April 2018, but the Moto Z2 was released in September 2017.
Are u shure that volte is disabled is in European model? I'm using an Europe model and volte and Wifi calling is working without any problem.

jonas210678 said:
The Moto G6 is from April 2018, but the Moto Z2 was released in September 2017.
Are u shure that volte is disabled is in European model? I'm using an Europe model and volte and Wifi calling is working without any problem.
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I have a UK bought reteu model and I have nothing in settings to enable native WiFi calling or volte.

jonas210678 said:
The Moto G6 is from April 2018, but the Moto Z2 was released in September 2017.
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That's right, but Z-series get two major updates. First difference. And the second difference is that the Z2 Force is a 799€ device and not just 249€ like the Moto G6. So we can expect more and longer updates for it. Normally Z-phones should get it first. We have no 8.1, so at least 9.0 first. Hope

jonas210678 said:
The Moto G6 is from April 2018, but the Moto Z2 was released in September 2017.
Are u shure that volte is disabled is in European model? I'm using an Europe model and volte and Wifi calling is working without any problem.
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No, there is no Option to enable volte and wifi calling.
I read online that Motorola disabled it after Update from Android 7 to 8 cause they had a Problem with that. But never fixed it. After that long Times that is not ok. I cant count that as a Support.
If volte is not working after Update to Android 9 the z2 force Was the last device I bought from Motorola.

What is Moto doing? Not even a security patch since November. This is an Android Enterprise Recommended smartphone. They are supposed to follow Google's guidelines to get security updates atleast every 90 days. We're in February almost and no security patch is being released or Android 9. Google should tell them a thing or two.

TigerCourage said:
What is Moto doing? Not even a security patch since November. This is an Android Enterprise Recommended smartphone. They are supposed to follow Google's guidelines to get security updates atleast every 90 days. We're in February almost and no security patch is being released or Android 9. Google should tell them a thing or two.
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There's a December patch for the Verizon model.

Ace42 said:
There's a December patch for the Verizon model.
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Reteu still on November patch..

FrankRr said:
Reteu still on November patch..
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Should coming in few days. Have seen, that the january patch is documented on moto page for z2 force and z3 play. Keep cool, it's on the way. But no pie xD Next time maybe :silly:

Almost all of the Moto devices are on Pie now , mine Moto X4 is also on Dec Patch Pie update , only the flagship Z series is lagging behind :'(
Last time , Oreo came in Dec but this time i think Moto is gonna follow Moto Z , who received Oreo in Apr 2018 (after Dec 17 patch) =_=

openmx still on november patch

Here, too. Seems that's need more time.

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Here, too. Seems that's need more time.
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An official from Motorola Spain said to me at the Moto G7 launch event that the Moto Z2 Android Pie update has started but it's rolling out really slowly. It has the December 2018 security patch, just like the new G7. I'm typing this from the new G7 BTW.

I think they delayed the update. Z2F official website shows the January update already, but seems like nobody received it yet. Retbr here and still nothing.

VzQzZ said:
I think they delayed the update. Z2F official website shows the January update already, but seems like nobody received it yet. Retbr here and still nothing.
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Yes, have seen this, too. Maybe Pie is coming and no january-patch?

allrightlite said:
Yes, have seen this, too. Maybe Pie is coming and no january-patch?
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I hope that's the case but to be honest I really doubt it. I believe we will only Pie with the March Update or even later. Z3 Play haven't received Pie yet, I doubt we will get it before it.

VzQzZ said:
I hope that's the case but to be honest I really doubt it. I believe we will only Pie with the March Update or even later. Z3 Play haven't received Pie yet, I doubt we will get it before it.
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Z3 play is rolling out today https://www.xda-developers.com/motorola-moto-z3-play-android-pie-update/

riskyfuture said:
Z3 play is rolling out today https://www.xda-developers.com/motorola-moto-z3-play-android-pie-update/
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That's good news! Now this can really mean there's a possibility that Motorola delayed the security update to finally update Z2F to Pie. If this scenario become reality, I guess we should be seeing Pie in the next coming weeks. Fingers crossed

will the s9 get Android Q officially?

As the title ask's will we get one UI with Q?

Of course, every samsung device gets 2 major updates, at least the flagships...

Yeah defintely
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One UI was the second major update for the S9 so probably not.
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One UI was the second major update for the S9 so probably not.
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Oh and what was the first major update if it's not one UI?

blackops11252 said:
One UI was the second major update for the S9 so probably not.
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Major update = Android version, not UI, and OneUI came with Pie (1st major update)
Oreo > Pie > Q
Not even a question that needs asking, look at previous S series phones and what they were updated to, always 3 (Including shipped version)

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Major update = Android version, not UI, and OneUI came with Pie (1st major update)
Oreo > Pie > Q
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Yea actually that is correct, I dont know why I was thinking this S9 started with nougat (7.0). I must be thinking of one of my other phones.
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Yea actually that is correct, I dont know why I was thinking this S9 started with nougat (7.0). I must be thinking of one of my other phones.
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The S8 released with Nougat. Then got Oreo early last year, and just got Pie in the last few months. So it's done.
The S9, which got Pie a few months earlier than the S8, is due one more letter upgrade.

Question Software update

Will my Samsung galaxy s21 FE (SM-G990B/DS) will receive one ui 5 update? Is it USA locked version?

Exynos version, don't know which region, it should be the region where you bought it from, check software update update is rolled out.

Ss apurbo said:
Will my Samsung galaxy s21 FE (SM-G990B/DS) will receive one ui 5 update? Is it USA locked version?
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G990B/DS is Snapdragon processor, Dual sim, Europe/International version, not USA.
Samsung S21fe USA versions have the model code G990U.
To find out the which country's software version you have, go to settings> about phone> Software information> Service provider software version. There you can find a 3digit code on the 2nd line, that's the CSC (Country Specific Code) of your phone.
Since your model is G990B, only four country's are yet to have android 13 update till date: SEK (Ukrain), SER (Russia), SKZ (Kazakhstan) & CAU (Georgia). You must have one of these region's phone.

Shuhan44 said:
Since your model is G990B, only four country's are yet to have android 13 update till date: SEK (Ukrain), SER (Russia), SKZ (Kazakhstan) & CAU (Georgia). You must have one of these region's phone.
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I have G990B from France and I received A13 update 1 week ago approximatively.

Doghan13 said:
I have G990B from France and I received A13 update 1 week ago approximatively.
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Ah so lucky! still on Oct security and no 13 here in Australia yet...Any improvement in camera quality?

mickle2105 said:
Ah so lucky! still on Oct security and no 13 here in Australia yet...Any improvement in camera quality?
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I haven't noticed any improvement but I have to say I haven't tested it so much.
I feel my phone more responsive, battery life is (very) slightly better, I think that's all.
To me, not THE century update, but since Android 7-8 we got a well rounded OS harder to significantly improve.

Doghan13 said:
I haven't noticed any improvement but I have to say I haven't tested it so much.
I feel my phone more responsive, battery life is (very) slightly better, I think that's all.
To me, not THE century update, but since Android 7-8 we got a well rounded OS harder to significantly improve.
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Thank you very much for the update!

mickle2105 said:
Ah so lucky! still on Oct security and no 13 here in Australia yet...Any improvement in camera quality?
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No camera improvements. Shutter lag is still there, over-sharpening is still there, no telephoto RAW support, no expert raw support.

I havent received my update yet here in South Africa.
Will probably soon. know the Note 20 got it like a week ago..
But You should be able to get it.

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No camera improvements. Shutter lag is still there, over-sharpening is still there, no telephoto RAW support, no expert raw support.
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Thanks for the update. It is dissapointing to see they have not focussed on addressing issues and making the photograpy aspect a priorty for FE users...Let's hope we can get further camera updates that will improve this for us!

SM-G990B/DS, received Android 13 but patch date is 1/10/2022.