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will Android ever be complete?

Not trying to be a jerk, this is a sincere question. I really like my Tilt2 and don't want to get a newer phone with Droid on it. My phone is really, imo, built solid and has almost never failed to perform. I know it's a little heavy, but that doesn't bother me. I really would love to have a fully functional Droid that I could use. Mainly because I really don't like Apple and won't get an Iphone, even though I think the I-4 is a cool phone. Is there anything I can do as a forum member to help get this project further along? I was wondering if we could all maybe tackle 1 thing each and help out. Might not be anything I can do, but I'm willing to help if I can.

rpowell said:
Not trying to be a jerk, this is a sincere question. I really like my Tilt2 and don't want to get a newer phone with Droid on it. My phone is really, imo, built solid and has almost never failed to perform. I know it's a little heavy, but that doesn't bother me. I really would love to have a fully functional Droid that I could use. Mainly because I really don't like Apple and won't get an Iphone, even though I think the I-4 is a cool phone. Is there anything I can do as a forum member to help get this project further along? I was wondering if we could all maybe tackle 1 thing each and help out. Might not be anything I can do, but I'm willing to help if I can.
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I don't think anyone can be sure that Android will ever be finished. The developers have done much for this device, but with the HD2 finally able to boot the Linux kernel, I think most of the support we had will move towards getting Android on better, newer, and more capable devices like the HD2. In addition, most of the remaining problems with getting Android completely working are the ones that were very difficult to begin with. Things like initializing hardware correctly, and figuring out how to get the various parts of the device to talk to each other. I'm honestly kind of doubtful that we will see more development with Android on the Pro2, since AFAIK only one person is working on it (though I hope I'm wrong).

it seemed at first that android for the touch pro would never work but now the only thing that doesnt work is the camera. maybe the touch pro 2 will get to that level some day. who knows.

So from what I gathered, the Tilt 2 won't be having any further development to work with Android? I also still have my Fuze. Is that development continuing? If so, maybe I will keep my Fuze instead of selling it and use it to test with Android?
By the way, what is the real name for the Tilt 2? Is it Rhodium or ?
Thanks guys, this place really ROXS!
I await your replies!
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I'm not sure what you mean by complete. New builds are released all the time, etc. If you mean all hardware functioning, here is the list from Reefer's thread:
NOT WORKING IN THIS BUILD:
BT
Sound (in call mic and earpiece work, no ringtones or music)
Camera
Opengles: using software rendering for the time being.
Battery Meter
For sound, look here: http://www.ppcgeeks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121743
One guy has made an NDISwrapper for Android...amazing.
For HW3D, look here: http://www.ppcgeeks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125379
Battery Meter is working very well. It's not accurate (seems like it's 10-15% off) but it shows low, which means you can get charged up in time with no problems. I also recall phhusson saying this WILL be 100% some day, it's just very tedious and time consuming, and everyone is more concerned with making things run better and on more hardware.
In other words, development is still very much active and some very smart people are working on these problems. I believe Mr. Steve Ballmer said it best here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEQhhaJsU4
If you're patient, more of the pieces will come together soon enough and Android for our device will be more complete (relatively speaking). For the record, I'm very content with the state of things. All development from here is just icing on the cake
Mods, if I'm not supposed to link to outside forums, just delete them and/or let me know. That's just where the more technical info is.

i thought sound was fixed already today there was a new build for rhodium?.

i think sound just got added but not for music. I think they upgraded the sound in the earpiece and speaker works now.

bas85 said:
i think sound just got added but not for music. I think they upgraded the sound in the earpiece and speaker works now.
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This is incorrect. Please leave the release posts to those doing the releasing.
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I don't think anyone can be sure that Android will ever be finished. The developers have done much for this device, but with the HD2 finally able to boot the Linux kernel... ...I'm honestly kind of doubtful that we will see more development with Android on the Pro2, since AFAIK only one person is working on it (though I hope I'm wrong).
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This is also incorrect. TP2 development is moving along faster now than it has been in a while. Not everyone wants a HD2 just beacuse it can boot android. Sure it has a fancy screen but no hardware keyboard, so i'm not even considering it as an option for a new device. Also, for future reference there are quite a few more than just one person working on this...

Also, define finished? The OS itself is in constant development. Will Android itself ever be finished? I hope not.

Hamsteriel said:
Also, define finished? The OS itself is in constant development. Will Android itself ever be finished? I hope not.
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ok, point taken. When will Android ever be fully functional on the Tilt 2 phone?

Now! Then! No, Then! When it's done. This isn't a native OS, don't go in expecting perfection. Go in expecting nothing and be amazed with every update. The alternative is to port it yourself. Good luck with that.

Hamsteriel said:
Now! Then! No, Then! When it's done. This isn't a native OS, don't go in expecting perfection. Go in expecting nothing and be amazed with every update. The alternative is to port it yourself. Good luck with that.
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My initial question was pretty point blank. Don't expect perfection, just would like full functionality on my phone because I like the AnDroid OS. The question was never meant to be a gripe, not sure why it struck a chord with you. I don't know how to port it, so luck is not needed. Thanks anyway

rpowell said:
My initial question was pretty point blank. Don't expect perfection, just would like full functionality on my phone because I like the AnDroid OS. The question was never meant to be a gripe, not sure why it struck a chord with you. I don't know how to port it, so luck is not needed. Thanks anyway
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Are you serious?!?! What you are asking is very disrespectful because You obviously haven't even read the FAQ/WIKI because it states:
5) When will the next release be out? I can't wait to get more features on my phone!
The next release will be out when the developers are able to get it ready. They are contributing their time for free and can't work on it full time. If you want to help speed development, make a donation to one of the main developers to help encourage them, don't pester them by asking a million times when the next release will be out when they won't know until it is ready.
hope this helps clear things up.
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anyone seen how complete android is on the hd2? even the camera works. and it has a sense version. i want one of those 4.3" phones and ive held off because i want my next phone to be an android phone but the only large android phones are cdma. im thinking i may look around for an hd2 soon.

The Jack of Clubs said:
anyone seen how complete android is on the hd2? even the camera works. and it has a sense version. i want one of those 4.3" phones and ive held off because i want my next phone to be an android phone but the only large android phones are cdma. im thinking i may look around for an hd2 soon.
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You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.

Anomoly said:
Are you serious?!?! What you are asking is very disrespectful because You obviously haven't even read the FAQ/WIKI because it states:
5) When will the next release be out? I can't wait to get more features on my phone!
The next release will be out when the developers are able to get it ready. They are contributing their time for free and can't work on it full time. If you want to help speed development, make a donation to one of the main developers to help encourage them, don't pester them by asking a million times when the next release will be out when they won't know until it is ready.
hope this helps clear things up.
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Didn't have a clue I was being disrespectful. Maybe a couple people here just wear their hearts on their sleeves.

rpowell said:
Didn't have a clue I was being disrespectful. Maybe a couple people here just wear their hearts on their sleeves.
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you didn't have a clue mmh ? what where you thinking ? that those people are well paid for doing it, and because of that your in position to come here and whine ?
and it's nothing about wearing hearts on sleeves, since it's only repeating the obvious like breaking in open doors.
however, I have some question :
Is it possible to have a feedback from some developer if it is a question of money to make things go further. if yes, what would it be approximately.
because, it is nice to encourage people to donate, but I didn't read anywhere from some person actually working on the project that it is indeed a question of money.
maybe this would be the first thing to find out ? from the developers side, is there anything that "non-aware" people can make to get things go further ?

alvoryx said:
Is it possible to have a feedback from some developer if it is a question of money to make things go further. if yes, what would it be approximately.
because, it is nice to encourage people to donate, but I didn't read anywhere from some person actually working on the project that it is indeed a question of money.
maybe this would be the first thing to find out ? from the developers side, is there anything that "non-aware" people can make to get things go further ?
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there's a bounty started for this, but i haven't been following it, i don't know how up to date it is. i'd link to it, but i'm not allowed to post links yet...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596370

Anomoly said:
You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.
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I bought my HD2 as soon as it came out but I still want android on the tp2. I know its frustrating waiting for what seems forever. If you really cant wait go get a better more capable phone. The hd2 is great multipurpose device.
<3 my wing/tp2/hd2

Anomoly said:
You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.
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like what? it has to work on atts network.

Do Something about the lack of development - Sign this petition now!!

Like many users here, I am disappointed by the pace of development. I understand that the T-mobile version is the only one that has a unlocked bootloader and that limits the interest on development as many potential devs have other variants. Many users here (myself included) are not knowledgeable enough to develop anything ourselves. The less enlightened (to put it nicely) non-developers complain like crazy while others sit quietly for a paragon developer to come along. There are a few developers who are doing great work bringing CM11 and DeviantXone to our phones. Either way most of us non-developers really don't have any opportunity to make a difference... until now.
There is a petition that is taking off at change.org. It has already received a response from LG and with more signatures, could lead to a change. The petition is asking for LG to unlock the bootloader of the phone. This should increase the number of developers by a substantial amount. Developing for the LG G3 is much better than developing for just the D851.
Please join Sebastian Jena's campaign: Click here to sign the petition!

Lol wow. I feel for you man. That just killed the devs off for good.
BAD ASS G3

BACARDILIMON said:
Lol wow. I feel for you man. That just killed the devs off for good.
BAD ASS G3
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how? its asking to get the bootloaded unlocked.

bodom_hc said:
how? its asking to get the bootloaded unlocked.
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That does not sound like that at all if it what he meant needs to reword big time. It read to me that we have no Dev in this section. We have a small amount but we have. Maybe I read it or took it wrong.
BAD ASS G3

I wouldn't call what going on right now a lack of development. We have both stock based and cyanogenmod based Roms. When the cyanogenmod Roms that are out now become stable we will see a lot of ports for our phone. Its not that big of a deal but the petition is a great idea for the rest of the world. Just so you are aware most g3 versions can have stock based Roms but there seems to only be one actively developed ROM at a time over in the generic g3 section because the rest of the world has the same problem us T-Mobile folks do (lack of people willing to step up and learn how to do this stuff). I give it another month at most until we see stable cyanogenmod.

Goes back to 1% who modify their phones vs. Corporate clients who insist on security.... Who do you think cell providers and manufacturers are going to listen too....?
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BACARDILIMON said:
That does not sound like that at all if it what he meant needs to reword big time. It read to me that we have no Dev in this section. We have a small amount but we have. Maybe I read it or took it wrong.
BAD ASS G3
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You were right, it needed to be reworded. I hope the updated post is better.
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Goes back to 1% who modify their phones vs. Corporate clients who insist on security.... Who do you think cell providers and manufacturers are going to listen too....?
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This is a valid point but I am not sure that many corporate clients support android devices nevermind the LG G3. Everywhere I have worked has been iphone and blackberry but the sample size is only 3 so I could be way off about this. Also they usually listen to the loudest of us. Even if we are outnumbered 10 to 1, we still stand a chance as long as we make more noise in support of this than they do in support of the status-quo. Even if you are right though, it doesn't take long to sign up and it is probably the biggest difference I and other non-developers can make so why not try at least?

I'd be fine with signing it, but then I'll get loads of emails from them, which I don't want.
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Just mark it as spam. I signed. I'd say reword to: "sign this petition to get ALL g3 bootloaders unlocked and help development!" And leave it at that.

CAP3r5 said:
You were right, it needed to be reworded. I hope the updated post is better.
This is a valid point but I am not sure that many corporate clients support android devices nevermind the LG G3. Everywhere I have worked has been iphone and blackberry but the sample size is only 3 so I could be way off about this. Also they usually listen to the loudest of us. Even if we are outnumbered 10 to 1, we still stand a chance as long as we make more noise in support of this than they do in support of the status-quo. Even if you are right though, it doesn't take long to sign up and it is probably the biggest difference I and other non-developers can make so why not try at least?
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For the record.... How many bootloaders been unlocked by a cell provider after initial release... And modding community is probably outnumbered by 100 to 1 or more likely more..and loud noise doesn't over come revenue stream... Be glad some providers release a dev phone for purchase.
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Lol
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You still may want to edit.your post. You spend far too long complaining about the lack of developing and how no one is deloping and.far less on why the phone should be unlike. Wasn't until the ending that I was like...oh he's not making a petition because no one is developing but to unlock the boot loader....

I also noticed the lack of development behind the G3.
Its a great phone, but if you want a phone with development youll have to get a HTC or Samsung or Nexus.
Even the Samsung devices with locked bootloaders get more development lol.
Sold mine on Craigslist and I hve a Note 4 on preorder awaiting shipment.

There use to be a time where if you were dissapointed in the amount of development being done on a phone you learned how dev. Thats what was great about android. It is an open source system made for you to make it youelr own. Yes times have changed and and not everything is completely open (nothing was ever completely open), but i know there are still ways to learn. Yes you might think your too busy to learn but if you really want more development for this device you will find the time to learn and truly make your device yours.

hypersonicx said:
I also noticed the lack of development behind the G3.
Its a great phone, but if you want a phone with development youll have to get a HTC or Samsung or Nexus.
Even the Samsung devices with locked bootloaders get more development lol.
Sold mine on Craigslist and I hve a Note 4 on preorder awaiting shipment.
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There is development going on for the g3. Just the tmobile variant. Once the boot loader gets unlocked, it'll probably be easy to port them to the other variants. And it's not LG's fault that only tmobile's boot loader is unlocked. It's the cell provider's that wanted that. If everyone just gives up and moves to different phones, the devs will see no need to try and unlock the other bootloaders.

I signed it , hopefully they unlock it

pssst
BUMP!

Pre-rooted MM rom?

With the update being out for like a week now I'm wondering why there hasn't been any new ROMs based on the 6.01 marshmallow. I would even be happy for just a stock rom with root, no fancy mods added. Is there an issue with rooting the MM update? I desperately need wifi calling !
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Come on man. Don't be that guy.
The update released on Thursday or Friday at noon last week. It hasn't even been a business week nevermind a full week at this point. The raw files were made available pretty much right away so it's fair game for anyone who absolutely needs the rom and is willing to put some time in.
It's summer. People do this for free and have lives.
If you absolutely need to flash something the Mm ports and Cm have been available for weeks and months. It's also been reported that you can rollback from the New update so you could always go stock if it's imperative and flash back when appropriate.
Otherwise, hsbadr has uploaded the files and seems to have slots for future work in his formatting. So hold tight. Good things come to those who wait or who take the initiative.

revdirty said:
With the update being out for like a week now I'm wondering why there hasn't been any new ROMs based on the 6.01 marshmallow. I would even be happy for just a stock rom with root, no fancy mods added. Is there an issue with rooting the MM update? I desperately need wifi calling !
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It's a matter of waiting for the TAR to be released. That way, we have a clean /system to work with, OTAs are always wonky.

ryanbg said:
It's a matter of waiting for the TAR to be released. That way, we have a clean /system to work with, OTAs are always wonky.
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Does tars normally take long to be released after an ota?
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revdirty said:
Does tars normally take long to be released after an ota?
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About a week or so.

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About a week or so.
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so this is basically why most of the devs have not updated any of thier Roms like paulpizz or jasmine
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revdirty said:
so this is basically why most of the devs have not updated any of thier Roms like paulpizz or jasmine
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Well that OR as stated above by @bobloblaw1 the fact that these great dev's DO have lives to live. They have job's and family's as well. I had a teacher back in elementary school who used to tell me all the time that "Patience Is A Virtue". I would wager that there will be a MM ROM out within two weeks.

stajam said:
Well that OR as stated above by @bobloblaw1 the fact that these great dev's DO have lives to live. They have job's and family's as well. I had a teacher back in elementary school who used to tell me all the time that "Patience Is A Virtue". I would wager that there will be a MM ROM out within two weeks.
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I'm not sure why you and he think I'm being impatient.lol I'm fully aware of the nature of software development.. plus this is mostly done on ppls free time and volunteer basis .. I was mearly trying to understand the process of an ota getting released to s custom ROM being created.. . on a very high level .
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revdirty said:
I'm not sure why you and he think I'm being impatient.lol I'm fully aware of the nature of software development.. plus this is mostly done on ppls free time and volunteer basis .. I was mearly trying to understand the process of an ota getting released to s custom ROM being created.. . on a very high level .
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I wasn't meaning any disrespect to you in any way. I am sure I am not alone on this, but in the OP it does sound impatient. In essence to the main question as to why there aren't any MM ROM's out yet, the only real, yet short answer is "time".
Again, I am not meaning any disrespect to you. It's just when someone asks a question, I tend to be honest and strait forward.

Color me cynical but...
I've read two or three threads regarding the Marshmallow OTA and I find it amusing as to how many people are losing their minds over it. It's not happening fast enough for the unrooted crowd, most likely because Verizon doesn't want their servers swamped. The people who are rooted are willing to risk bricking their devices or not being able to regain root because... I don't know why. Is there something so earth shattering in the OTA that isn't already available in a custom ROM?
And now there's a new group who wonders why developers haven't produced a custom ROM based on an OTA that's not even a week old. I could never be a developer for this sort of group. The level of ungrateful is simply breathtaking. I've been on XDA for about six years as a consumer. I can well remember when asking for ETAs was considered rude.
From what I've been able to observe, most of the good developers are driven first and foremost by challenges. Yeah, there could be money involved... enough to maybe buy a couple of six packs of beer. They're also driven by their reputations. Most wouldn't dream of foisting a half-assed ROM on people. It's far more productive for them to issue a product that is fairly polished and then be able to spend their time developing new and improved features rather than having to fix broke ****. And while some developers do live in the basement and live only to make ROMs, most have wives, kids, jobs and interests outside of ROM development.
Here's how I see it: you can be patient and wait for the developers to do their thing and be rewarded with a near OEM experience, or you can forge off into the unknown. The entertaining part of watching the trailblazers is that most of them shouldn't be flashing custom ROMs with complete instructions because they're not willing to expend the effort to learn just what it is that they're doing. Then, when they've ****ed their phones up, they don't ask for help, they demand it.
One more point: The Note 4 is over 18 months old. That is ancient in the consumer electronics world, even while the hardware is still highly competitive against the newest phones. Many developers have moved on to greener fields. There's a smaller base of community for ideas to be bounced around. Things won't move quite as fast.

douger1957 said:
Color me cynical but...
I've read two or three threads regarding the Marshmallow OTA and I find it amusing as to how many people are losing their minds over it. It's not happening fast enough for the unrooted crowd, most likely because Verizon doesn't want their servers swamped. The people who are rooted are willing to risk bricking their devices or not being able to regain root because... I don't know why. Is there something so earth shattering in the OTA that isn't already available in a custom ROM?
And now there's a new group who wonders why developers haven't produced a custom ROM based on an OTA that's not even a week old. I could never be a developer for this sort of group. The level of ungrateful is simply breathtaking. I've been on XDA for about six years as a consumer. I can well remember when asking for ETAs was considered rude.
From what I've been able to observe, most of the good developers are driven first and foremost by challenges. Yeah, there could be money involved... enough to maybe buy a couple of six packs of beer. They're also driven by their reputations. Most wouldn't dream of foisting a half-assed ROM on people. It's far more productive for them to issue a product that is fairly polished and then be able to spend their time developing new and improved features rather than having to fix broke ****. And while some developers do live in the basement and live only to make ROMs, most have wives, kids, jobs and interests outside of ROM development.
Here's how I see it: you can be patient and wait for the developers to do their thing and be rewarded with a near OEM experience, or you can forge off into the unknown. The entertaining part of watching the trailblazers is that most of them shouldn't be flashing custom ROMs with complete instructions because they're not willing to expend the effort to learn just what it is that they're doing. Then, when they've ****ed their phones up, they don't ask for help, they demand it.
One more point: The Note 4 is over 18 months old. That is ancient in the consumer electronics world, even while the hardware is still highly competitive against the newest phones. Many developers have moved on to greener fields. There's a smaller base of community for ideas to be bounced around. Things won't move quite as fast.
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I do agree with all of what you are saying. That being said.. I of course am on root and the reason at least for me wanting a custom ROM is wifi calling .. I need this feature as I have crap signal in my home and office. I'm just not willing to let go of root for it . I am happy to wait for some experienced dev to make a rom with 6.01 that is pre-rooted so I can have my cake and eat it too.. lol
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@revdirty. I just want to thank you for asking the question, and @ryanbg for answering the question... All the others with the why you ask and o Lord not another one.. If one of you knew the answer why didn't you just answer it... I for one now learned something.. Don't take away from us who ask as you guys say dumb questions...
It's people like you guys that make us make mistakes because were afraid to ask...
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Bern612 said:
@revdirty. I just want to thank you for asking the question, and @ryanbg for answering the question... All the others with the why you ask and o Lord not another one.. If one of you knew the answer why didn't you just answer it... I for one now learned something.. Don't take away from us who ask as you guys say dumb questions...
It's people like you guys that make us make mistakes because were afraid to ask...
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1. Anyone who replied DID "answer" his question.
2. Some people are too thin skinned and can't seem to handle someone being honest and strait forward.
3. It's really very silly to blame others for "your own" mistakes. It's not our fault if someone can't or doesn't follow directions. It's people like us that actually help this community. A users "Thanks Meter" doesn't get higher on it's own.
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revdirty said:
I do agree with all of what you are saying. That being said.. I of course am on root and the reason at least for me wanting a custom ROM is wifi calling .. I need this feature as I have crap signal in my home and office. I'm just not willing to let go of root for it . I am happy to wait for some experienced dev to make a rom with 6.01 that is pre-rooted so I can have my cake and eat it too.. lol
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I am guessing by your reply that you do have wifi at you home?
If so have you thought about or maybe try and see if Google Hangouts may be an option for you for the time being?

hi

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O, I thought you had some lineage OS news for us. You just poped in here to tell us all, ??

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O, I thought you had some lineage OS news for us. You just poped in here to tell us all, ??
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I have lost hope. Nothing done on the Git since Feb 28

I think we were all suckered into buying a device that Xiaomi then made instantly obsolete by announcing the 5G version almost immediately.

invisiblewave said:
I think we were all suckered into buying a device that Xiaomi then made instantly obsolete by announcing the 5G version almost immediately.
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With 5G you need to stand 5 feet from the cell tower to get it, they might as well add a plug on the cell tower so you can plug an extension cord in to your phone.

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With 5G you need to stand 5 feet from the cell tower to get it, they might as well add a plug on the cell tower so you can plug an extension cord in to your phone.
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Well, that may be a bit of an exaggeration..... but it doesn't matter. I don't need 5G on my phone for the foreseeable future, but my original point still stands, most people will wait for the new model to arrive now, and development efforts on this device will be stalled (already are, I think).

nuggeo said:
I have lost hope. Nothing done on the Git since Feb 28
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Check the fork. I think they are still trying to figure out how to fix the clock after google fucced it up. When Eric took the pie update he ask which moron put the clock on the left side. Larry has a home hub strapped to his back and asks his mechanical girl friend for the time so it never bothers him.
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Well, that may be a bit of an exaggeration..... but it doesn't matter. I don't need 5G on my phone for the foreseeable future, but my original point still stands, most people will wait for the new model to arrive now, and development efforts on this device will be stalled (already are, I think).
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Seriously, that is not the feedback I am getting. T-mobile has it right running low bands for 5G but it will take time. The problem is most phones do not need that kind of speed. 50 Mb/s is fast enough for now to update apps/ROMs. Most are still buying and feel that 5G is more for home internet. I think 5G will take about 3 years to make any impact on the market place. Even then, most really don't care. It is a mistake to use 5G as a selling tool for phone because if the person does not get performace they will return the phone.
and yes low bands can become saturated.

vq8acsxht said:
Check the fork. I think they are still trying to figure out how to fix the clock after google fucced it up. When Eric took the pie update he ask which moron put the clock on the left side. Larry has a home hub strapped to his back and asks his mechanical girl friend for the time so it never bothers him.
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Seriously, that is not the feedback I am getting. T-mobile has it right running low bands for 5G but it will take time. The problem is most phones do not need that kind of speed. 50 Mb/s is fast enough for now to update apps/ROMs. Most are still buying and feel that 5G is more for home internet. I think 5G will take about 3 years to make any impact on the market place. Even then, most really don't care. It is a mistake to use 5G as a selling tool for phone because if the person does not get performace they will return the phone.
and yes low bands can become saturated.
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I don't disagree. 5G is mostly useless for phones. Home internet and applications requiring extremely low latency and high bandwidth are where it will make an impact. That won't matter to most phone buyers though, as evidenced by the latest AT&T advertising campaign......

Before the mods come to clean and delete this thread, could we PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE know where we stand with lineageOS. @autoplus, you have contributed to the fork. What works and what does not ... and does lineage OS even boot on the Mix 3? If anyone has booted lineage, could you tell us does it look like lineage in N and O?

Just got the MIX 3. Currently waiting for the bootloader countdown, but don't know what ROM to flash.
Should I wait for the official Pixel Experience? Is there any ETA on that anyway?

MonteXMat said:
Just got the MIX 3. Currently waiting for the bootloader countdown, but don't know what ROM to flash.
Should I wait for the official Pixel Experience? Is there any ETA on that anyway?
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Depends how long you want to wait

@mods Time is up. It's time to do your job and clean the threads and delete this thread. This thread has no topic and is not dev related. As funny as some of the posts are, this thread needs to be deleted.

vq8acsxht said:
@mods Time is up. It's time to do your job and clean the threads and delete this thread. This thread has no topic and is not dev related. As funny as some of the posts are, this thread needs to be deleted.
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Time is not up, they should take their time. More important things to deal with than removing a post that you can simple skip over

Mackay53 said:
Time is not up, they should take their time. More important things to deal with than removing a post that you can simple skip over
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I will not debate you on this but keep in mind that there are forum rules and everytime someone pushes things futher and futher it just sets a presidence for the next thing. More people will use this thread to post whatever they feel. Keep in mind ""Hi"" is not a topic. There is POT hi, hi how are you, hi. How high are you (altitude), etc. Again, this thread needs to be delete. If you feel different, I understand.

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I will not debate you on this but keep in mind that there are forum rules and everytime someone pushes things futher and futher it just sets a presidence for the next thing. More people will use this thread to post whatever they feel. Keep in mind ""Hi"" is not a topic. There is POT hi, hi how are you, hi. How high are you (altitude), etc. Again, this thread needs to be delete. If you feel different, I understand.
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Whatever, it doesn't do any harm and doesn't really matter.
There isn't much happening here anyway.
I'd understand if people spammed the forum with "hi"s, but in this situation you could just ignore the post that annoys you or you're not interested in.

OK, then lets have the mods move this and change the topic to "WHATEVER"?

vq8acsxht said:
OK, then lets have the mods move this and change the topic to "WHATEVER"?
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Why does it matter? ?
Just let it be, it doesn't do any harm.

MonteXMat said:
Why does it matter?
Just let it be, it doesn't do any harm.
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OK, this is in the dev section if you guys are good with that more posts may come, besides the ops have not shown back up.

vq8acsxht said:
OK, this is in the dev section if you guys are good with that more posts may come, besides the ops have not shown back up.
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All you had to do is report the thread but instead you demanded they do their job. Report the thread through the report function and move on

Thread moved to general and closed as it doesn't add anything of value.

Do we have TWRP yet?

Sorry for wasting space here, everyone. I was just wondering if the 3a XL has TWRP yet. I just ordered one and the first thing I do on a new device is install TWRP and root.
Thanks

You can root, but no TWRP yet. The 3 and 3 XL took just about a month. Shouldn't be too long now.

Troy owned a 3XL making it a sure thing for sooner rather than later. Someone with the knowledge could have made it within a fairly short time period since the work is already partially done over in flagship land:; An example would be the OP7, it already has TWRP, a half dozen ROMs, a couple kernals. I'm not saying it isn't coming to this device, it probably is given time. You do have to have someone working on it though or it never happens. Flar2 for instance has a 3aXL and thanks to him we have his kernal. This is how it works, the benefits of these various ROMs, TWRP, kernals, come from a fairly small pool of developers and if one or more of them does not pick up the gauntlet you've got handy tips on these pages but not much else.
Lets us hope that a few of them have seen the value in these devices...

Pixel 3a and XL will have TWRP.
Even the $100 Android phones have TWRP.
It is a matter of when, my guess would be within the next two weeks from now.
Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk

I keep trying to make time to sit down and do an unofficial TWRP, but Everytime I do, something comes up. It's kinda killing me ...

Sc4ryB3ar said:
I keep trying to make time to sit down and do an unofficial TWRP, but Everytime I do, something comes up. It's kinda killing me ...
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Seems like LOS will come for 3a(XL), so I bet we will see a twrp build soon.

Out of curiosity, because I come from a Samsung: what are the main differences between Pixel's stock firmware and LOS?
As far as I know LOS have a kind of dark mode already enabled (coming to stock with Q) and some privacy option added?
Is there anything more than this?

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Seems like LOS will come for 3a(XL), so I bet we will see a twrp build soon.
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Out of curiosity, what makes you say it seems like we'll get LOS for the 3a(XL)? It would be a 100% buy for me if that were the case, just wasn't sure if a notable dev has picked one up and mentioned planning to do so or something and I've missed it, thanks!

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Out of curiosity, what makes you say it seems like we'll get LOS for the 3a(XL)? It would be a 100% buy for me if that were the case, just wasn't sure if a notable dev has picked one up and mentioned planning to do so or something and I've missed it, thanks!
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Just take a look at their GitHub
https://github.com/LineageOS/android_kernel_google_bonito
https://github.com/LineageOS/android_device_google_bonito

crian said:
Seems like LOS will come for 3a(XL), so I bet we will see a twrp build soon.
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crian said:
Just take a look at their GitHub
https://github.com/LineageOS/android_kernel_google_bonito
https://github.com/LineageOS/android_device_google_bonito
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Thanks! Didn't even think to check that, was thinking they seemed to be good devices for LOS but hadn't heard anything yet so now I'm hopeful.

I'm really happy when the custom roms come out

What I was trying to say gents is that this device doesn't appear to be all that popular to me. Right now there are 627 threads open on the OP7 section compared to 62 here and that phone came out after. I'm BTW not counting the advertising section called reviews which will typically have 30, 40, 50 threads for every device.. I have never seen a less active device section on this forum than this one and I go back to before android started and have had all the Nexus devices except one, all the Galaxy S and Note devices accept 2 and I'm not going to list all the rest of the random devices I've had because you get the idea. I'm not sure what this phone is doing in terms of sales volume but I am sure that if they are being sold they are not being sold to enthusiast like us because if they were those owners would be here. I think some of you folks are kidding yourselves about the amount of development that is going to go on here. This is one of those cases where I would like nothing better than to be wrong but I'm not seeing any crow eating in my future.

I certainly hope your wrong but, I am afraid as you are that this device,,,,albeit a great one,,,,isnt getting the attention by devs. I know it is still too soon to tell and all that. But, if you go off past popular devices, and how fast development sprang up since it was released, this one seems lagging. Lets hope the future is bright for this device and dev support.
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What I was trying to say gents is that this device doesn't appear to be all that popular to me. Right now there are 627 threads open on the OP7 section compared to 62 here and that phone came out after. I'm BTW not counting the advertising section called reviews which will typically have 30, 40, 50 threads for every device.. I have never seen a less active device section on this forum than this one and I go back to before android started and have had all the Nexus devices except one, all the Galaxy S and Note devices accept 2 and I'm not going to list all the rest of the random devices I've had because you get the idea. I'm not sure what this phone is doing in terms of sales volume but I am sure that if they are being sold they are not being sold to enthusiast like us because if they were those owners would be here. I think some of you folks are kidding yourselves about the amount of development that is going to go on here. This is one of those cases where I would like nothing better than to be wrong but I'm not seeing any crow eating in my future.
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krabman said:
What I was trying to say gents is that this device doesn't appear to be all that popular to me. Right now there are 627 threads open on the OP7 section compared to 62 here and that phone came out after. I'm BTW not counting the advertising section called reviews which will typically have 30, 40, 50 threads for every device.. I have never seen a less active device section on this forum than this one and I go back to before android started and have had all the Nexus devices except one, all the Galaxy S and Note devices accept 2 and I'm not going to list all the rest of the random devices I've had because you get the idea. I'm not sure what this phone is doing in terms of sales volume but I am sure that if they are being sold they are not being sold to enthusiast like us because if they were those owners would be here. I think some of you folks are kidding yourselves about the amount of development that is going to go on here. This is one of those cases where I would like nothing better than to be wrong but I'm not seeing any crow eating in my future.
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I bought the not xl version- I get the same vibe you're picking up. I think it's selling, but probably not to many enthusiasts as other phones. Maybe people are buying it because they actually went to use it as a phone? I think after the nexus line crashed, I think people have looked elsewhere for development phones. I don't have a one plus phone, but they seem to release kernels and factory images, which helps development. I'm sure google will do the same.
In other news, I've built aosp and los for sargo. Full disclosure- I haven't flashed anything yet, I haven't even opened the box; so I can't say how well the ROMs run. I'm sure bonito will build just fine too. aosp just needed the drivers/binaries from the website. For los, I used the extract files script and the stock images. The point is that we seen to have ROM support already, but maybe just low interest from the modding community.

Could it be the forums aren't hopping specifically *because* there's so little dev at this point?
I'd expect it to be light when TWRP isn't even around yet. I would expect it to pick up quite a bit once TWRP drops, though.

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Could it be the forums aren't hopping specifically *because* there's so little dev at this point?
I'd expect it to be light when TWRP isn't even around yet. I would expect it to pick up quite a bit once TWRP drops, though.
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I do wish the forums were consolidated for the two devices. Then it would seem busier . I think there would be a bit of synergy since the two devices share so much. Sorry for the OT. I'll dust off my twrp repos and see if I can cook something up.

I was surprised they didn't combine them and just have two different development sub-sections, I've been on other devices where they did that and it seemed to work well. As to the lack of TWRP or other development I don't really think that's it although it's certainly a contributor. IMO you would have many more people asking general questions as you can see everywhere else, there are a lot of people who come to XDA but don't root. It really appears the either the phone isn't in too many hands or those hands belong to those pesky non phone people.

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I'm really happy when the custom roms come out
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Dirty Unicorns has an RC out for bonito (3a XL) dated 23 May - you can grab it now. (According to IDM, it is 1.197 GB large.)
Nothing new on the TWRP front for bonito - official or otherwise.

Many of the phones out there seem to have come from a T-Mobile trade-in offer that made the devices nearly free after credits. Problem is that for most of these devices, they'll be carrier locked and in turn bootloader locked for a while. Users have resigned themselves to unrooted optimizations until these locks are gone. Hopefully development will mirror all four of the 3rd gen devices as they pretty similar.

Sargo's top of my list right now for a phone upgrade (my S4 got me thru so many years), but without TWRP and LOS I just can't bring myself to buy it.
Never done any work on android before (besides flashing of course), but I'll throw my hat in the ring and try to get a TWRP build together this weekend.
Mind if I DM ya @gee one when I inevitably get stuck somewhere?