Develop Bugs

What's with all the half-baked roms for our phone?

I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....

Greetings ben,
I think that you are focusing on how well those roms ran, without remembering how well they started. I came from the Fascinate as well, I ended its call of duty with Evil fascination. None of the roms you mentioned, started without glitches and issues.
The incredible 2 has only had s-off for a couple months. Gingerbread has only been broken for a couple of weeks. The devs are just getting into the meat of the device. It's going to take a bit of time for the developers to turn out their creations, and it's going to take a hell of a lot more patience from the end users.
People seem to forget that these developers don't work for us. The sense of entitlement in these forums is off the chart. Unless you donated to your dev of choice, you haven't had to pay a dime for their continued hard word. Don't let donations fool you into thinking that somehow, the developers owe you anything. Donations are are a sign of respect and appreciation, nothing more.
So until we see a rom developed by you, that comes first day with no glitches, errors or issues, is full of incredible (no pun intended) options and choices, I think that you should maybe show the people working to make your phone experience better, a lot more respect.
I'm not trying to flame you, but your post in a slap in the face to the people making something for you to use freely.

T.M.M.L said:
Greetings ben,
I think that you are focusing on how well those roms ran, without remembering how well they started. I came from the Fascinate as well, I ended its call of duty with Evil fascination. None of the roms you mentioned, started without glitches and issues.
The incredible 2 has only had s-off for a couple months. Gingerbread has only been broken for a couple of weeks. The devs are just getting into the meat of the device. It's going to take a bit of time for the developers to turn out their creations, and it's going to take a hell of a lot more patience from the end users.
People seem to forget that these developers don't work for us. The sense of entitlement in these forums is off the chart. Unless you donated to your dev of choice, you haven't had to pay a dime for their continued hard word. Don't let donations fool you into thinking that somehow, the developers owe you anything. Donations are are a sign of respect and appreciation, nothing more.
So until we see a rom developed by you, that comes first day with no glitches, errors or issues, is full of incredible (no pun intended) options and choices, I think that you should maybe show the people working to make your phone experience better, a lot more respect.
I'm not trying to flame you, but your post in a slap in the face to the people making something for you to use freely.
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Amen to that.

Double Amen.

ben805 said:
I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....
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I think if your are unhappy with the.state of development or with particular roms it should just probably remain private....developers do this for.free and because.they enjoy doing it
Don't like the.sense roms? Use the 3 fully.functional aosp roms we do have or use rmks debloated stock rom
Also afaik virtous unity is a fully functional sense 3 experience
Can only have 1 ROM on ur phone at a time anyway

nitsuj17 said:
I think if your are unhappy with the.state of development or with particular roms it should just probably remain private....developers do this for.free and because.they enjoy doing it
Don't like the.sense roms? Use the 3 fully.functional aosp roms we do have or use rmks debloated stock rom
Also afaik virtous unity is a fully functional sense 3 experience
Can only have 1 ROM on ur phone at a time anyway
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Not true...
http://androidflip.com/how-to-install-multiple-roms-android-dual-boot-android/
But you are correct in saying that he should just keep his negative comments to himself.

I've tried most of the roms that we have for the Dinc 2 so far, and really, for what little amount of time that the Devs have had to work there magic, I'm amazed at what has been accomplished.
I personally am a fan of Sense, so I have been using Virtuosity Unity for the past week now. I spent a weekend with CM7 and a day with Miui...
I would be happy to use any of these for a daily driver, and do with Unity. I keep Gingersense on my Sd card for a backup/go to rom... I can't say that I would consider any of the roms as bad...
I for one am very thankful for the Devs and what they do to make out phones better. You guys Rock!!

ben805 said:
I noticed quite a lot of sense 3.0 roms have been pumped out recently, the funny thing is none of them are significantly different than the other. majority of these half-baked roms do not even have the basic function of a smartphone (aka connectivity, messaging and such) and they are loaded with broken features. LOL man i'm starting to miss the Fascinate community, majority of the roms we had (kangbang, evil fascinating, etc) are rock solid with 100% functionality as far as roms goes. just saying....
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If you are running into issues, then I would suggest asking for assistance. I'm on a sense 3.0 ROM FULLY functional. You may be missing something.
I dont know how long you had your fascinate, but it took a VERY long time for a fully functional aosp ROM became available to us, not for lack of trying from some amazing devs. Now consider we barely got s-off on gb stock, yet I immediately could load various sense or aosp roms.
Just my opinion.

Virtuous is fully functional. I know nothing wrong with the ROM. Thats kinda why it hasnt been updated in weeks, because it doesnt need it. And like Nitsuj said they do it for free. Do a little more research and reading before you flame the awesome devs we have here.
(We dont want anything happening here like it did with JT. A few of the Fascinate users know what Im talking about on that one.)

I think the issue is more of devs pumping out more than one ROM and not sticking to one build per device.
I understand that this stuff takes time, but I'd really like to see the time (and our donations) go to one ROM, not a bunch of different ports or hacks that have lingering bugs that don't get fixed.
I agree with the OP 100%, maybe a different tone could have been used to express the frustration though.
None the less, I'd love to get together with a dev and talk about what us, the community would like to see. I don't like seeing dirty ports of something to come with features that are either missing or can't be fixed.

TheMavic said:
You guys don't see the point. You are so infactuated with his work because it works right for YOU! You seem to forget about all of the other people out there that are having silly problems that could probably be easily fixable but yet instead of devoting his time to fixing those probs he comes out with a new ROM that has the same problems!! Hahaha. I am not even trying to troll but come on... Ahahaha...
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That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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micdawg12 said:
That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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Acting like a douche also doesn't help.
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TheMavic said:
You guys don't see the point. You are so infactuated with his work because it works right for YOU! You seem to forget about all of the other people out there that are having silly problems that could probably be easily fixable but yet instead of devoting his time to fixing those probs he comes out with a new ROM that has the same problems!! Hahaha. I am not even trying to troll but come on... Ahahaha...
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what problems are YOU having that you want fixed?
Have you thought that the majority of US know how to properly utilize the roms given to us, thus we have no problems. Maybe you shouldn't look the gift horse in the mouth, and learn where you may be doing something wrong.
Just saying.

micdawg12 said:
That is easily fixed. Don't use his roms if you aren't happy with it. See? Fixed. Now do as I said earlier and shut your ****ing mouth.
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Lol I love this kid.
And seriously just because it has little problems that some people are getting doesnt mean its a bad ROM, or it isnt functional, or has "major problems" like you said. **** stock RUU's have more problems and not to mention bigger ones than anything here in the development section. Especially Newts stuff. Stock GB deletes main system apps. Pretty big problem. And thats from HTC. People that are paid a lot of money to make these. Again these people are doing it for free. And they do one hell of a job. A rom is never going to be perfect there will always be little bugs that cant really be fixed because NOT EVERY PHONE IS THE SAME. One may have a problem that another may not. So if one doesnt work for you use another. He has many options for ROMs from 2.1, to 2.1/3.0, and full 3.0. Something for everyone that are updated regularly. If your going to talk crap about id say our top dev right now then get off this forum. Nobody here wants that kind of flaming.

TheMavic said:
You guys have made my night. Thank you. This is too much fun.
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You should get your X2 back and hit there forums up. Maybe you will appreciate innovation and hard work over there with your 4 Roms and forever stock kernal. Dont come back here.
Oh and also you say were so infatuated with Newts work or whatever. I dont even run his ROMs. Im either on virtuous or MIUI. I test his ROMs for him. And I still know how often he updates them and just how stable they are. Your a fool.

To me this is like being welcomed into a strangers house to use the bathroom, then telling them that it was an awful experience because their toilet paper was not soft enough. Are you entitled to feel that way? Of course. I would just think it is common courtesy to keep those thoughts to yourself.
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APeaceofStrange said:
To me this is like being welcomed into a strangers house to use the bathroom, then telling them that it was an awful experience because their toilet paper was not soft enough. Are you entitled to feel that way? Of course. I would just think it is common courtesy to keep those thoughts to yourself.
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LOL I love that analogy. But i agree with you.

@Mavic. I understand your frustration. I came from the x10 community. We had the same issues. Newt reminds me of a dev named Trip. He would start a rom, get it near perfect then start another. Ever time though his end results were awesome. Another issue coming from Newts side is he makes roms for other devices. None the less he is an awesome dev who is highly respected. Give the devs some time. GB has only been cracked since around the 15th of this month.
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What does "infactuated" mean anyway? Is that a new word for fact-loving? Is is derogatory?

TheMavic said:
Feed the troll! I'm hungry!!
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Hey Nicholas Sack, cool it. Stick to plenty of fish.
"Funny thing about that is, is that people are becoming more and more vulnerable to today's cultures of "how to act" and "what to believe". I think the our generation and the ones prior are the last that know how to be independant. With that being said, I could honestly give a **** less about how people view me. If I agree, I agree. If I disagree, then I'll tell you to gtfo.
Life's a *****, then you die."
Bringing daily trolls since 1999.

A Thank You to all the Devs

Hey Devs & Helpers out there,
Just wanted to write a thank you to all the hard work you put in, gratis, for our device.
I cannot overstate how fantastic it is to have a wide selection of roms for our phone, as it gives the user so many options and things to look forward to in terms of updates, functionality, battery life, etc - the list goes on and on.
It's really made this website a haven, as well as an addiction for myself, and has also made my phone usage (and distractions at the office!) go through the roof. Whenever I use my phone in public, on the subway or whatever, I'm hoping there is another user out there who realizes the graphics / interface on my phone is unique, and can inspire them to "achieve" the same. Perhaps I'll even try to do a little programming myself at some point (although my CS101 class in college was probably one of my biggest challenges - and that's for an ME!)
Once again, best regards and much thanks to those hard working devs out there, who deserve nothing but our gratitude and support. Don't thank this post, thank all the devs who put in time day in and day out. Keep on truckin'!
Best regards,
-Dirk

Agreed. I was late to the game with smartphones...buying my DInc2 last July was my first. I was going to wait to root after my warranty was over, but after rooting my wife's nook color, I ventured over to this forum to see what was going on for my phone. Needless to say, it was probably two weeks after browsing this forum that I started enjoying what the hardworking devs have been up to.
I also wouldn't mind venturing into the development aspect of Android but my wife would kill me if I spent even more time on my phone.

I couldn't have said it any better, thanks all you devs and themers for all your hard work
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+1 thank you all developers.

I have to agree. I've definitely been enjoying the results of all of the devs' hard work. Keep it up!
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Here here!! Another huge thanks to all the devs out there using their personal time to make our phones (and everyone else's for that matter) well worth keeping! There's been plenty of times I wanted to tell a dev how awesome their Rom was but it's taken me some time to get past this 10 post rule. Lol.

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Pete02 said:
Here here!! Another huge thanks to all the devs out there using their personal time to make our phones (and everyone else's for that matter) well worth keeping! There's been plenty of times I wanted to tell a dev how awesome their Rom was but it's taken me some time to get past this 10 post rule. Lol.
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haha, I know exactly what you mean. I'm more a lurker than a poster here, but i'm finding myself wanting to mention bugs or issues i'm having with some of the newer builds. That dang 10 comment rule!
...helps when I don't type the image verification code in the title spot

Thanks!
hoodieNation said:
haha, I know exactly what you mean. I'm more a lurker than a poster here, but i'm finding myself wanting to mention bugs or issues i'm having with some of the newer builds. That dang 10 comment rule!
...helps when I don't type the image verification code in the title spot
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+1 exactly how I am...

Thank you developers!
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Development for the G?

heys i havent spent any real time in this section of XDA, currently have a EVO 3D, tons of development there. how is it over here? the dev section seems kinda empty.. thoughts?
need to get an LTE phone soon

spaceosc said:
heys i havent spent any real time in this section of XDA, currently have a EVO 3D, tons of development there. how is it over here? the dev section seems kinda empty.. thoughts?
need to get an LTE phone soon
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Most progress updates happen in IRC chat. irc.freenode.net #lg-optimus-g

Each & Every Day were are Growing!
spaceosc said:
heys i havent spent any real time in this section of XDA, currently have a EVO 3D, tons of development there. how is it over here? the dev section seems kinda empty.. thoughts?
need to get an LTE phone soon
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Heya, believe it or not we are both coming from the same place. I loved my EVO 3D and hacked it to the max. However, has the months went by the phone's specs were no longer "flagship" quality. As a result, I went with LG OG after much and I mean much research. To your answer it is not empty but it just in hibernation until Jelly Bean is released, which is going to happen at any time very soon for Korean already has it (End of Jan I hope). So the devs are holding back releases for roms until JB but CM and ASOP are all in development as we speak.
Great Link for more info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2064215
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2080610
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2009531
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2083320
P.S - It is SOOO much easier to root and unlock this phone compared to our EVO 3D. Even a one click tool http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2039421

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^^^ I agree with what you said. In fact ive seen this.on many phones. Most of the blame is on lg for releasing the phone half ass. And also there wasent enough marketing put into the phone quite honest. By no means this isnt a flagship phone. Just because its labled as one. True the specs are nice but the fact that released with bugs and with ICS is complete bullcrap and a let down for sure. Further its just the nature of this forum to have to many chiefs not enough indians type of deal. Best way to learn anything is just to read up learn a little bit and have a clear mind and confidence u wont mess up your phone hahaha?

thistimearound said:
Space, I don't have a wide berth of knowledge to give you, as this is only my 2nd Android smartphone. That said, the development here is severely lacking. There were a lot of hotshots promising things they couldn't deliver early on (like this phone is exactly the same as the Nexus 4, lol). They say all the action happens in IRC but log in there. Try it. Back yet? Didn't learn **** did you? No one talks about development there. It's like a business meeting about more meetings. They talk about what they need to be developing.
In the end, I'm not helping, so I can't really complain, but it's slightly frustrating to have a beast of a phone that no one is improving. Least of all LG. When I've attempted to get information I've been ignored or given the "we don't really know" SLASH "stfu kid" response. If you find good development news I'd love to see it.
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Many of us work, I work full time and have kids. Plus I have several other projects. If you honestly think nothing is getting done, maybe you should check github. Look at the amount of work being done towards cm10.1 for the lgog.
Not all development is ROMs and themes. Most of it happens before you see those ROMs and mods. Sure I could copy paste a rom together on my phone and call it something. Then everyone would think it was so cool, but the fact is it wouldn't be much different then what we already have. Will I build a stock based rom? Yes. Kernels? Yes. Aosp ROMs, yes. Some fancy aroma kitchen sink mod. Yup. Will I be doing this all within a week of getting the device and doing my research on it? Nope. There are like 20 sensors on this phone. Not to mention a ton of testing on kernels, what's bloat, what's a proprietary driver/lib vs source built. You need to remember that all of the development is done in peoples spare time. The phone is fast so no rush making it
Faster. The software is decent and has some decent feature without a lot of annoying issues so no rush there. Battery could be improved but thats mostly usage based. Nothing is crippled on this phone so there isn't exactly a huge rush to fix something on it. That is a good thing. We can pace ourselves and get more creative instead of fixing crap that should work already.
The biggest issue is not being jb+. That is being worked on daily by many people. I plan on helping as well but I agree with most of the devs on waiting for the korean source drop.
Give this phone time and it'll be crawling with flashy things.
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To add on to what Jokersax said, there is alot of development going on, but not as roms. CM10.1 technically works, but there is a bug that wont allow your to see anything on it. Would you like somebody to post it for you to test? We have to get a device tree going, and see what mods from other phones work here, and what we need to chance to get the different roms we build up and going. I am fairly new on the dev scene, but I am working on a rom ATM, just about to get out of the testing phase for my first public build (in the dev section). b-reezy is also working on porting MIUI, removing LG software to make it almost completely AOSP, and getting a few themes on our device, and helping me learn more as I go. We have alot of devs, but between real life events, and the time to make everything work it takes time. How long does a take big companies to get updates out that have dedicated developers? For LG it has been over a year to update one generation of android. Just be happy we can update it before that. Also if you sit enough on IRC you can find stuff (I found a flashable korean rom for our phone that boots, is english, but doesnt have 3g/4g/wifi working and such, so it is not posted here yet), but alot of it is people working in their free time, and all my talk about my work is either in my what do you want in my roms thread under Q&A, where there is already 3 test builds of my rom, and some of us are talking individually, like joker right above me, and b-reezy both talk to me daily on Gtalk the last several days to about 2 weeks for each one of them. And I cant remotely do anything as good as they can. Just wait a month or two then you will be spammed with roms and kernels to use. Try hitting up the Nook Tablet thread and see how development is going on there- I have had it over a year and there isnt even 2 dozen roms for it. It is all a matter on how locked the device is, and the drivers and such for the phone. Also we may be able to port stuff from the Nexus 4 BUT THIS IS NO WHERE NEAR THE SAME THING! We have a locked boatloader, the nexus doesnt (really big difference for dev work), plus GSM vs. CDMA radios is alot harder to dev for it seems like in the beginning. It is annoying how people complain about dev work not being fast enough yet they dont even remotely understand how any of it works. FYI we will probably have Jellybean on our device before LG releases it. 4.2 is the primary concern for the bigger devs right now. IF ANYBODY CANT FIND OUT THE LATEST DEVELOPMENT ON IRC JUST ASK, OR EMAIL OR GTALK ME AT [email protected] FOR MINE AND OTHER DEVS LATEST WORK. LET THEM WORK ON IT IN THEIR FREE TIME FOR FREE, AND I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS WHILE I AM AT SCHOOL OR WAITING FOR PRACTICE TO START. If you payed these devs then you complain, other than that STFU. There is alot of stuff that goes on that we cant account for ahead of time.

Jeeze people, devs do this stuff as a hobby. Who are we to ***** that they don't do it fast enough, as one who has no programming skills I'm just grateful to the guys who do the work to make a killer device even better. Am I itching for some CM goodness? Sure, but I can wait, this phone is awesome as is.

The DragonTJH said:
Jeeze people, devs do this stuff as a hobby. Who are we to ***** that they don't do it fast enough, as one who has no programming skills I'm just grateful to the guys who do the work to make a killer device even better. Am I itching for some CM goodness? Sure, but I can wait, this phone is awesome as is.
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Ex f'n xactly. I just appreciate anything I can get. Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth. Oh God I hope I said that right!!!
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It's picking up really well. I truly love the beginning of development life for great phones. I also had the evo 3d and enjoyed it grow from cleanrom to jellybean 4.1.

I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
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kc_exactly said:
I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
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pretty things are soon to come. Just need to gets bugs and such out. My work somewhat, but mostly others devs I have been talking to.

kc_exactly said:
I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
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Agreed. Pressure should be put on LG to update and release source. This is what we need to get more things rolling.
That being said, even though this software is only ICS, this is my first Android that I don't mind stock. I've run all the versions of ZV9 so far and stock deodex with some tweaks runs wonderfully. I'm coming from Touch wiz and Sense systems where they skin and change everything. I'll always be a Vanilla head, but I'm just as stoked to see what LG does with jellybean. This stock software isn't that far from AOSP really.
Also I don't see what the hoopla is about trying to port Nexus 4. This phone has way more potential than that.

kc_exactly said:
I really don't mind not having cm10. I personally would rather have stock jb. This LG stuff isn't half bad. The only thing for me is I get easily bored. I like the super cool themed roms with pretty things. But, that being said, jelly bean came out like forever ago. We are on like 4.2.2. I am more upset with LG. It isn't like they didn't know it was coming.
I completely agree. However, is this all that surprising? This is my first LG but it's my understanding they're notoriously bad with updates.
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nickespi said:
^^^ I agree with what you said. In fact ive seen this.on many phones. Most of the blame is on lg for releasing the phone half ass. And also there wasent enough marketing put into the phone quite honest. By no means this isnt a flagship phone. Just because its labled as one. True the specs are nice but the fact that released with bugs and with ICS is complete bullcrap and a let down for sure. Further its just the nature of this forum to have to many chiefs not enough indians type of deal. Best way to learn anything is just to read up learn a little bit and have a clear mind and confidence u wont mess up your phone hahaha?
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If you didn't want ICS why'd you buy it? ICS runs perfect on this phone so far I'm glad there isn't much to fix. Remember the epic or the photon or the evo/evo3d those phones had issues this one has one wake lock and gets a little warm and the keyboard bug was fixed, by lg. I am grateful that this phone has little to no bugs and also that we have these skilled devs that are not only willing to tackle some of the issues to make this phone as perfect as possible but also that they're working at all to get cm or aosp on the device. Were not entitled to anything and like I said the phone already runs and looks great so we can be patient
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genaro12543 said:
If you didn't want ICS why'd you buy it? ICS runs perfect on this phone so far I'm glad there isn't much to fix. Remember the epic or the photon or the evo/evo3d those phones had issues this one has one wake lock and gets a little warm and the keyboard bug was fixed, by lg. I am grateful that this phone has little to no bugs and also that we have these skilled devs that are not only willing to tackle some of the issues to make this phone as perfect as possible but also that they're working at all to get cm or aosp on the device. Were not entitled to anything and like I said the phone already runs and looks great so we can be patient
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are you serious with this rant??
The Point of BUYING A TOP OF THE LINE PHONE IS FOR THE LATEST UPDATES ON IT!! I BOUGHT IT ACTUALLY BASED ON THE PRESS SAYING IT WAS GOING TO RELEASE WITH Jellybean/or it would soon after which has been far from the truth.
YET IVE actually owned all those other phone that you mentioned as well. And yes eventually they received some nice DEV, all but the Photon which left such a bad taste in my mouth that I would never buy a MOTOROLA again!
That was all 3 years back respectively. Wouldn't you think a company would learn from past mistakes of other manufactures? Especially when they are "debuting" a "flagship device" Bottom Line - Its not smart.. You have you opinion, but no need to make an excuse for a companies bad decision. That is just Fact my friend....
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One last thing actually as a consumer we are entitled to timely updates by LG as Big as a company as they are to put the correct resources in the right places to ensure its consumers who pay for there premium product to have the most up to date software!! It would also make dev a hell of a lot easier too.
It has not been long yet so i have a little patience left..

nickespi said:
are you serious with this rant??
The Point of BUYING A TOP OF THE LINE PHONE IS FOR THE LATEST UPDATES ON IT!! I BOUGHT IT ACTUALLY BASED ON THE PRESS SAYING IT WAS GOING TO RELEASE WITH Jellybean/or it would soon after which has been far from the truth.
YET IVE actually owned all those other phone that you mentioned as well. And yes eventually they received some nice DEV, all but the Photon which left such a bad taste in my mouth that I would never buy a MOTOROLA again!
That was all 3 years back respectively. Wouldent you think a company would learn from past mistakes of other manufactures? Especially when they are "debuting" a "flagship device" Bottom Line - Its not smart.. You have you opinion, but no need to make an excuse for a companies bad decision. That is just Fact my friend....
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no love for the photon, you know it has 4.2 right?

nickespi said:
are you serious with this rant??
The Point of BUYING A TOP OF THE LINE PHONE IS FOR THE LATEST UPDATES ON IT!! I BOUGHT IT ACTUALLY BASED ON THE PRESS SAYING IT WAS GOING TO RELEASE WITH Jellybean/or it would soon after which has been far from the truth.
YET IVE actually owned all those other phone that you mentioned as well. And yes eventually they received some nice DEV, all but the Photon which left such a bad taste in my mouth that I would never buy a MOTOROLA again!
That was all 3 years back respectively. Wouldn't you think a company would learn from past mistakes of other manufactures? Especially when they are "debuting" a "flagship device" Bottom Line - Its not smart.. You have you opinion, but no need to make an excuse for a companies bad decision. That is just Fact my friend....
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One last thing actually as a consumer we are entitled to timely updates by LG as Big as a company as they are to put the correct resources in the right places to ensure its consumers who pay for there premium product to have the most up to date software!! It would also make dev a hell of a lot easier too.
It has not been long yet so i have a little patience left..
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Fine OK you have a longer rant you win.
As a consumer were entitled to a working phone that works out of the box. If lg figured they could make stable software with ice cream sandwich so be it. The phone runs great on it.
And if youre gonna speak of being a consumer then you should save your rants for lg not xda. The devs are just doing what they can no need to get pushy
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jokersax11 said:
no love for the photon, you know it has 4.2 right?
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Yeah I know Joker, but the phone didnt hold my interest long enough!! I waited and waited, had to kick it to the curb!! Does Wimax work on the 4.2? Because the unlock bootloader and no wimax isnt an option
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genaro12543 said:
Fine OK you have a longer rant you win.
As a consumer were entitled to a working phone that works out of the box. If lg figured they could make stable software with ice cream sandwich so be it. The phone runs great on it.
And if youre gonna speak of being a consumer then you should save your rants for lg not xda. The devs are just doing what they can no need to get pushy
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Pushy?
I cant even take you serious!! Bring facts*
As Stated its simply not good for business* Fact*. This is the Gen section so all rants apply here, regardless of your personal opinions/feelings - Maybe you can state your opinion and try not to tell people what to THINK. LOL I guess you would also fall into my statement about "Chiefs & Indians"??
IT GOES UNSAID THAT THE DEVS DESERVE CREDIT (They work with what they're given) - no need to constantly push that on people, obviously the devs are in control. To many of them there is some Incentive that also goes unsaid or unheard too. But to each their own!!
Hopefully the JB update for the Korean version means good news for us too!! Cant Wait*** I know there will be some good dev!

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Yeah I know Joker, but the phone didnt hold my interest long enough!! I waited and waited, had to kick it to the curb!! Does Wimax work on the 4.2? Because the unlock bootloader and no wimax isnt an option
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Pushy?
I cant even take you serious!! Bring facts*
As Stated its simply not good for business* Fact*. This is the Gen section so all rants apply here, regardless of your personal opinions/feelings - Maybe you can state your opinion and try not to tell people what to THINK. LOL I guess you would also fall into my statement about "Chiefs & Indians"??
IT GOES UNSAID THAT THE DEVS DESERVE CREDIT (They work with what they're given) - no need to constantly push that on people, obviously the devs are in control. To many of them there is some Incentive that also goes unsaid or unheard too. But to each their own!!
Hopefully the JB update for the Korean version means good news for us too!! Cant Wait*** I know there will be some good dev!
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I agree with everything you said I just think its easier to be patient when things are kept in perspective. I too am disappointed lg didn't reach they're original promise of jb by December but I'm happy the phone works great and that lg didn't hurt the software TOO MUCH so there isn't problems.
And I'm glad you said you appreciate the devs work I just didn't wanna see the opposite and assumed you were being pushy because you said you agree with that guys post that sounded very demanding just cuz he couldn't see work done on irc.
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Why do you ask the question..."When is your update dropping"

I am not looking for thanks or praise or whatever. Im just letting the ones who ask this dreaded question some info on why you should never ask about updates, drops, etc.
Do you have any idea the amount of time that it takes to build a rom? I mean just the rom...not including themes, mods, etc. Its VERY time consuming.
All of us have lives besides Android. I know one dev who is a master mechanic who works 6 days a week. But finds the time to build top of the line systems. He does it for YOU. He shares his work will all of us here on XDA. So how do you think he feels (or any dev) when someone asks for a update?
I myself work 6-7 days a week. 7 this week. My plan was to release my update. But I have to work, a wife of 28 yrs, 2 kids, a grandbaby, and a dog.
So next time you get the urge to ask a dev for updates....just remember this post. It will drop when it drops
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This post is a waste of time. There will still be the eta's being asked all the time. Just ignore any spam and useless posts.
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'Murica said:
This post is a waste of time. There will still be the eta's being asked all the time. Just ignore any spam and useless posts.
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You must be one who asks for updates
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alloycowboy said:
You must be one who asks for updates
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To be honest, it all depends on the dev. I've met devs that don't care if you ask for an ETA. And to be honest, it's not really rude. There's nothing wrong with asking "Hey, how's the update going?" It's not like people are demanding it, some people are just curious. Most of us understand that people have lives outside of Android and we appreciate all the work devs do for us.
I guess it all comes down to how you see it. If you see it as people demanding an update and expecting it because they think they deserve it, then yeah.. it may seem rude and messed up. But if you look at it like; These people appreciate my work and would like to keep updated, then.. well, you may think of yourself as a badass, which is what most of us users think of devs. Well, the nice devs. There's also those devs that think they should get special treatment everywhere simply because they're devs.
So yeah..

True. There are 2 ways to look at it. I didn't post this to be a ass... im just saying we work hard to make these roms, themes, mods, etc.
But some folks ask "when is the next update" the day of the first release.
Bottom line, yea some peeps will always ask for updates. Others will sit quietly and wait
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Its depending on the developer yes that's true. Its also up to the developer weather or not he even wants to update at all. Its his or her choice. They can just let their r om die if they want and never update. But most have a ongoing project depending on the person some don't mind the question some do. Its safe to just not ask.....and move on if they are not putting out enough updates. There are lots of roms out there. So to keep from offending golden rule is don't ask..on the other hand if you feel the roms growing stagnet from lack of update just move on...This way your not pestering anyone . And if you personally feel updates are talking too long then simply move on to another rom that's updated more frequently... but its always a golden rule to not pester the developer. they are running their project how they want to run it. If your not satified for whatever reason just move on...if you feel your sitting and waiting too long for the update dont offend anyone by pestering them just simply find a more active project..

Ok discussion is over. This while a very good point, it has no place in the Device Forums thread. Find an OFF TOPIC section.
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Why is there only 1 custom ROM while we are 2-3months in already?

There is Scorpion and thats it? I thought it will be as good as with OnePlus or even better?!

Because the stock OS/ROM kicks so much ass. IMO

qasq said:
There is Scorpion and thats it? I thought it will be as good as with OnePlus or even better?!
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Go compile one then, it's not that hard to do. You can't just expect developers to feel obligated to everyone here on XDA. Devs usually compile and work on things when they have time away from their daily duties.
In fact, there's actually multiple ROMs, but they're not posted here on xda yet.

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There is Scorpion and thats it? I thought it will be as good as with OnePlus or even better?!
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In a week the phones will have been out in the US for 2 months, patience grasshopper.

qasq said:
There is Scorpion and thats it? I thought it will be as good as with OnePlus or even better?!
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Dirty Unicorns is out
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bobbyphoenix said:
Because the stock OS/ROM kicks so much ass. IMO
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Same thoughts here. Stock and a custom kernel is all I need.

LOL. What a completely entitled thread. I'm surprised no one has called out the OP.

It's people like you that push away our development. Put a bad taste in a talented persons mouth who wanted to make a rom but not for those who feel entitled to one. What does your post accomplish? It's not going to encourage more development that's for sure.
As others have said there's more ROMs out there, but I wouldn't be surprised if the reason they haven't posted it here is because the community here on XDA can be toxic when people group together to complain about the lack of ROMs or how what is available isn't good enough. Be happy that we do have a rom here, or go out and build the rom yourself.
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honestly i think we just need a good few magisk modules and the *need* for modified stock roms goes away, we'll still have AOSP roms being developed for. just have some patience

Probably not the best approach to getting more ROMs is calling out the forums for lack of them for a device that is still "new". Take a breath and be patient, sir. These things take time.
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Because the stock OS/ROM kicks so much ass. IMO
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I'll actually agree with this. This Pixel 3 XL I own is the first time I've run Android stock in a long time and actually like it. My device is on the Pie December update and only rooted with Magisk, a few modules like Active Edge or ViPER4Androi0d installed, and ElementalX kernel and performance and battery life is quite good. Unless some serious custom ROMs like ResurrectionRemix (which I loved on my Nexus 6P) make it over, I probably won't even bother with a custom ROM.

This a hobby development forum! People provide work here as a hobby! NOT as a job!
XDA was created by developers to share knowledge...knowledge that members could use to create their own work!
Before you ask the question "why are there so few ROMs?" perhaps ask the question why you haven't learned how to create your own and contribute to this site.
Last I checked Google is not giving these devices away...they cost $900!!! Have you thought that maybe most developers chose a different device?
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