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I got my Galaxy Nexus yesterday and I love it. There's just a couple of things bugging me and wanted to see if anyone else was having the same problems and of course if anyone knew of any solutions.
1- Screen. The resolution is fantastic but i've noticed some banding in flat colours. It's most noticeable in light and mid greys. There is a strip that runs up the middle of the screen that is noticeably lighter that the rest of the display. This goes away on high screen brightness but is really quite hard to ignore at other times.
2- Notification LED. Why is there no native support for customising this in ICS!? Either I've missed it or Google have missed a trick. I got it working with an app from the market but it only worked while the apple was running in the background, if I dismissed the apple from the new task switcher... No more custom notification lights.
Anybody else having these issues?
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To get the most out of your multicoloured LED you can use the Lightflow app which is available free from the market, to get this working properly on the Galaxy Nexus enable "Run in Foreground" in the general settings menu.
Thanks to jabok for spotting this setting.
Crin said:
I got my Galaxy Nexus yesterday and I love it. There's just a couple of things bugging me and wanted to see if anyone else was having the same problems and of course if anyone knew of any solutions.
1- Screen. The resolution is fantastic but i've noticed some banding in flat colours. It's most noticeable in light and mid greys. There is a strip that runs up the middle of the screen that is noticeably lighter that the rest of the display. This goes away on high screen brightness but is really quite hard to ignore at other times.
2- Notification LED. Why is there no native support for customising this in ICS!? Either I've missed it or Google have missed a trick. I got it working with an app from the market but it only worked while the apple was running in the background, if I dismissed the apple from the new task switcher... No more custom notification lights.
Anybody else having these issues?
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Sorry to bump but I'd really like the opinion of a few other Galaxy Nexus owners, especially about the screen.
I love this phone but I am considering taking it back because of the banding on the screen, it's not noticeable until there is a flat grey in an app and then it's quite visible as a lighter band up the centre of the screen.
Is this a fault or is it to be expected on sAMOLED screens? I've only had LCD before.
Does it look anything like this or something different? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320942
Either way there are issues with SAMOLED+ screens, there are people with the Galaxy S II and Droid Razr with screen issues too.
as far as I know, it is a common trait with Super AMOLED screens - had the same issue with my Nexus S, and with my friend's phones that have Super AMOLED screens.
The banding disappears if you have the screen at a higher brightness, so it does seem to be an issue inherent with changing the brightness/colour temp of the screen.
Also, AMOLED screens are susceptible to screen burn, which is why if you leave the screen on some white text on a black background, if you then switch to a screen with mostly grey elements you'll see a ghosted image of that text.
Crin said:
Sorry to bump but I'd really like the opinion of a few other Galaxy Nexus owners, especially about the screen.
I love this phone but I am considering taking it back because of the banding on the screen, it's not noticeable until there is a flat grey in an app and then it's quite visible as a lighter band up the centre of the screen.
Is this a fault or is it to be expected on sAMOLED screens? I've only had LCD before.
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Seeing similar on my screen but it's not really noticeable unless the phone is on auto brightness or the lowest manual setting.
From reading other threads, sounds like the GSII has a similar problem. Looks like some people have been through a few phones before getting a "band free" unit.
You could try taking it back to a (willing) store for a swap - given the current stock levels you may have a few issues though and you may not get a unit without the banding anyway.
In terms of notification LED, wait a bit for some better third party apps to arrive. Not many (existing) phones use RGB coloured LED's or similar for notifications (Nexus One and Galaxy Nexus are the only two that quickly spring to mind) so it's possible Google didn't add support because of the limited use. ICS is in it's infancy and there's a lot of development to come (both from Google and third party dev's).
Thanks for your responses!
In some ways it's good to know it's a know issue, and in others it's a bit disappointing.
I've attached an image for you to look at, you think it's worth sending back?
No.
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
Crin said:
Thanks for your responses!
In some ways it's good to know it's a know issue, and in others it's a bit disappointing.
I've attached an image for you to look at, you think it's worth sending back?
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Personally, I'd just live with it - especially given that there's no guarantee you'd get a better model if you swapped it - hell you could end up with a worse screen!
I'm not sure it would be worth the hassle to send it back. This seems to be an issue to some degree in most SAMOLED screens. You might end up with a worse phone.
I seem to recall that many phone screens have artifacts at very low brightness settings.
This is exactly the same problem as I have. On low brightness it is visible but not on normal brightness.
I did have another nexus on order that I was going to compare it with but I decided to get an N9 instead as I don't need 2 nexus phones! I figure I can go try android beam in a phone shop lol
The question about sending it back is a tricky one - it's not visible With normal brightness so how can we be sure the replacement won't have the same problem? We can't.
yep. i have a vague banding when i look very closely.
solution ? keep my eyes more than 3 inches from the screen.
I hate it when people point out things that you have to look very hard at cos you then notice them forever more
can you confirm that with normal brigthness the problem is solved on every screen?
for the LED customisation get Light Flow from the market, works great for setting different colours for all sorts of things.
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can you confirm that with normal brigthness the problem is solved on every screen?
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on auto-brightness i can notice it (if i look very hard) on the calendar app.
pump the brightness up to about 85% and go back to the calendar app and i cant see it ... but now my eyes hurt
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on auto-brightness i can notice it (if i look very hard) on the calendar app.
pump the brightness up to about 85% and go back to the calendar app and i cant see it ... but now my eyes hurt
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85% in an unusable brightness for eyes and for battery, so the problem isn't fixable in an easy way. sincerely I
don't want a defective phone and get its defect as a feature.
Crin said:
Thanks for your responses!
In some ways it's good to know it's a know issue, and in others it's a bit disappointing.
I've attached an image for you to look at, you think it's worth sending back?
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i had problem like this on my atrix too...( i think most of atrix owners noticed that too )
light grey.........
the only common thing between atrix & GN is Pentile matrix....
i dont know this is the reason...
i just want u to know that you are not alone...
by the way , i sold my atrix...
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85% in an unusable brightness for eyes and for battery, so the problem isn't fixable in an easy way. sincerely I
don't want a defective phone and get its defect as a feature.
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i just picked a random setting to prove/disprove the brightness thing. to be honest i REALLY have to look for these bands on auto-brightness .....
just tried 50% (still too bright in my opinion) and i still cant see banding. nor about 40%.
switched back to auto (which must be only about 20%) and they are there is i get really close and squint.
Seriously .... wouldnt let them worry you !
wilbur-force said:
i just picked a random setting to prove/disprove the brightness thing. to be honest i REALLY have to look for these bands on auto-brightness .....
just tried 50% (still too bright in my opinion) and i still cant see banding. nor about 40%.
switched back to auto (which must be only about 20%) and they are there is i get really close and squint.
Seriously .... wouldnt let them worry you !
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thank you.
I have just completed a 3hr car trip using Google navigation and noticed the banding on auto resolution with it disappearing on bright vivid colours or dark/blacks. Thinking of asking phones4u to check out others for a possible swap.
When the phone was on charge i didn't notice any status light or none flashing when a txt was received. Should there be?
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amczee said:
I have just completed a 3hr car trip using Google navigation and noticed the banding on auto resolution with it disappearing on bright vivid colours or dark/blacks. Thinking of asking phones4u to check out others for a possible swap.
When the phone was on charge i didn't notice any status light or none flashing when a txt was received. Should there be?
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definitely seen an LED flashing for notifications. surprising large LED and at the BOTTOM of the phone !
Please read everything before posting an insulting comment towards me for sharing an observation I've had.
I love this phone, and what I love most is the beautiful display. One thing concerns me though.
Reading Google Currents which removes the status bar to go full screen, I noticed what I thought was a blue haze border at the top of the screen. At closer inspection it wasn't a border...it's where the status bar should be, and it was putting off a noticeable light blue haze across the screen which persisted when going landscape. I cranked up the brightness to full, and it had little effect on it.
I kind of shake my head at people who load up a pixel checker app in a dark room and analyze every last pixel on the screen in every color. But, if it is already noticeable in normal use after a few weeks... it concerns me what the top and bottom of the phone may look like in a year.
I know the black bar should be turning the pixels off, which should result in no burn in... I can't explain why it is leaving a mark...but it is obvious that it is doing something.
Yes I'm seeing some slight burn in as well on my notification bar, specifically the click numbers on the right. I just make sure I have the web browser on full screen so it hides the status bar and gives those pixels a break.
My nexus one had burn in within the first month. So with this phone I make sure to avoid this immediately.
And yes the on screen buttons was my first concern about burn in. That white icon on black contrast is just asking for burn in. My criticism of these on screen keys is that Google didn't take advantage of them at all. They never move at all and never change, and they only disappear in one place during video. What a waste. Might as well have regular keys if that's all you're gonna do as it just wastes screen space.
Wow. I see it too.
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I thought I noticed some burn-in the other day but wasn't sure, since no one was complaining I assumed that I'm imagining things. The "all applications" button from the bottom-center of the home screen is visible like a ghost on the grey background of the settings application.
Do you guys see it as well?
Just a suggestion (and i'm not claiming this is a real solution)...
Download ADW and turn the status bar off. Swipe-down for notifications. That's what I do, at least.
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Just a suggestion (and i'm not claiming this is a real solution)...
Download ADW and turn the status bar off. Swipe-down for notifications. That's what I do, at least.
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I appreciate your input.. but as you stated I don't see it as a solution. The status bar is a rather important part of the OS. Not to mention if that tiny black bar is causing it to distort...I can't imagine wast the on screen buttons will look like when apps start using that real estate (like games)
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I appreciate your input.. but as you stated I don't see it as a solution. The status bar is a rather important part of the OS. Not to mention if that tiny black bar is causing it to distort...I can't imagine wast the on screen buttons will look like when apps start using that real estate (like games)
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I understand. Just trying to promote a temporary solution to a possibly permanent problem
I have horrible burn in on my N1 - both the status bar and keyboard keys have burned in..
It doesn't really bother me though as it is only visible in certain situations..
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OP I don't think what you are seeing is burn in. I think that is just how the screen is. I have the same slight blue hue at the top of the screen when I'm using the browser, and it has been there since day one. Every GNex that I have seen also have this. I think that is just how the screen is, I don't think it has anything to do with burn in or the status bar.
That sucks. I am not seeing any burn in on my GNex, but maybe I don't use mine as much as you guys.
Outside of the ADW solution is there anything else we can do about this...seems like a big design flaw if this is really the case.
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no issues here at all. in addition, to all the burn in complaints on the nexus one, i had that for 20 months, and never got burn in. and always had the statusbar shown.
I think the problem lies with the technology itself. The Super AMOLED displays, like the base OLED technology, use organic material that degrade over time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED
So, there is something of a trade off between the vibrant Super AMOLED displays with deep blacks and the lifespan of them.
There also the problem that although the Super AMOLED display consumes less power when displaying dark images it can consume more power when displaying light images like you see on many web pages.
Brian
Raptor1956 said:
I think the problem lies with the technology itself. The Super AMOLED displays, like the base OLED technology, use organic material that degrade over time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED
So, there is something of a trade off between the vibrant Super AMOLED displays with deep blacks and the lifespan of them.
There also the problem that although the Super AMOLED display consumes less power when displaying dark images it can consume more power when displaying light images like you see on many web pages.
Brian
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If that is what we were seeing here, wouldn't the status bar actually be more white than the rest of the display, due to it getting much less use because of the black bar?
I have screen burn in that fades away after time on my G2 as well. I noticed a slight bit on the GN, but it fades away too.
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no issues here at all. in addition, to all the burn in complaints on the nexus one, i had that for 20 months, and never got burn in. and always had the statusbar shown.
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Like I said, I have some pretty significant burn in on my N1. On a pure grey screen, I can see the keyboard and the keyboard keys as well as the status bar...
However, I really don't care 99% of the time it is unnoticeable.
I just took my GN out of the box and the bottom bar is burned in. On a pure grey screen, I can actually see the home icon burned in... Does samsung run these screens before shipping?
However, it is very insignificant so I do not mind. This screen is simply amazing! I have no extreme banding or other issues mentioned here. I also got a yakju device
mysterioustko said:
OP I don't think what you are seeing is burn in. I think that is just how the screen is. I have the same slight blue hue at the top of the screen when I'm using the browser, and it has been there since day one. Every GNex that I have seen also have this. I think that is just how the screen is, I don't think it has anything to do with burn in or the status bar.
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Its burn in, I can actually see the clock numbers on a white background. This isn't a new issue, all Samsung amoled screens have dealt with this over the years. My nexus one also has the entire keyboard permanently burnt in after a year of use.
ADW launcher was a good solution back in the day as hiding the status bar gave those pixels a break and broke up the constant static image.
I'm just making sure to rotate the screen and hide the bar often.
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Like I said, I have some pretty significant burn in on my N1. On a pure grey screen, I can see the keyboard and the keyboard keys as well as the status bar...
However, I really don't care 99% of the time it is unnoticeable.
I just took my GN out of the box and the bottom bar is burned in. On a pure grey screen, I can actually see the home icon burned in... Does samsung run these screens before shipping?
However, it is very insignificant so I do not mind. This screen is simply amazing! I have no extreme banding or other issues mentioned here. I also got a yakju device
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yes most manufacturers run each phone with the screen on for a certain number of hours for testing and loading the factory image etc. But I thought it was usually special diagnostics tests and not just displaying the regular home screen. Maybe its both?
No burn in here. Also still have the Vibrant and no burn in on that either.
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RogerPodacter said:
yes most manufacturers run each phone with the screen on for a certain number of hours for testing and loading the factory image etc. But I thought it was usually special diagnostics tests and not just displaying the regular home screen. Maybe its both?
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Who knows. I just know that I noticed the burn in within ~3min of turning it on...
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I see it on mine too :/ All these small issues are begining to build up....
Watching Netflix or anything in full screen it's noticeable. Very noticeable. After one week of owning it about a month ago, I saw a similar topic and thought "this would never happen to me". Fast forward a month later, I have it. And a scratch on my screen after putting it in my pocket only with nothing else in it.
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Watching Netflix or anything in full screen it's noticeable. Very noticeable. After one week of owning it about a month ago, I saw a similar topic and thought "this would never happen to me". Fast forward a month later, I have it. And a scratch on my screen after putting it in my pocket only with nothing else in it.
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Take a photo and post it please.
Mine does too, mighty thanks to amoled
This is going to happen regardless of what you do.
Acceptance is key
Can someone post a picture? I would like to see what all the fuss is about.
By nav bar, do you mean the notification/status bar? If so, I know exactly what you're talking about. The static cyan text is a burn-in waiting to happen. I noticed a little bit of cyan tint in that area when brightness is low and the screen is white. It's by no means that bad at all but I use the hide the status bar option in ADW to prevent it from getting worse. 2 months later and it hasn't gotten worse.
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By nav bar, do you mean the notification/status bar? If so, I know exactly what you're talking about. The static cyan text is a burn-in waiting to happen. I noticed a little bit of cyan tint in that area when brightness is low and the screen is white. It's by no means that bad at all but I use the hide the status bar option in ADW to prevent it from getting worse. 2 months later and it hasn't gotten worse.
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By nav bar they mean the soft keys (Home - Menu - Recent - Back) buttons on the bottom.
Oh, in that case I haven't seen that problem but I have heard of people with it. You can get rid of those soft-keys with custom mods too that makes your phone full-screen.
I noticed this on my Gnex as well. Rotating the screen clockwise to a landscape orientation, the left side of my screen where the soft buttons were has a notably bluer tint. For the record, I keep my screen on auto, which I was hoping would reduce the burn-in effect. Setting the screen brightness to 100% seems to hide the burn-in. Dunno if that will always be true.
Even worse, when I did a screen compare of my previous Nexus vs the display model at the Verizon store back in early Jan, the demo model's screen was noticeably dimmer and off color even at full brightness. Seemed like running in torch mode 24/7 with a bright red background caused the screen to degrade noticeably after only a week or so.
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The only time I notice any sort of image retention (relating to the notification bar) is when I first open the XDA app and it quickly goes full screen. Other than that I never see it. However, I commonly see image retention going from home screen to Market but it fades very quickly.
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Mine as well as my friend's has burn-in at the top and bottom where the status bar is and the soft buttons. Also my old nexus S as well as my friend's has burn in at the top status bar. It's inevitable I guess...
I started seeing this too but i quickly switched to transparent top and bottom bars so that those pixels got even wear, and it actually reversed my burn in mostly. My screen is near perfect now.
this happen to me, too. it sucks. can this be exchanged in person somewhere instead of shipping it? i don't want to wait.
Burn in was a term for lcd screens. For this situation think of it as "reverse led fatigue". The leds that are not used as much as the rest of the screen will appear brighter giving you the impression that it is burn in. On the first gen amoled's some would leave and entire white screen on full brightness overnight to normalize or calibrate the leds. Doesn't bug me one bit though.
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Burn in was a term for lcd screens. For this situation think of it as "reverse led fatigue". The leds that are not used as much as the rest of the screen will appear brighter giving you the impression that it is burn in. On the first gen amoled's some would leave and entire white screen on full brightness overnight to normalize or calibrate the leds. Doesn't bug me one bit though.
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Exactly right. But the term burn in is so familiar to people it will likely never change.
I forgot to say that to eliminate this burn in i also use full screen browser at all times to hide the status bar. And i consistently rotate the screen to different views while i read my webpages to give the other pixels a rest. The effect is excellent.
To test this the best, install dead pixel detect from market and toggle thru every color. Rotate the screen too to see both areas. The color red is the only one that shows the burn in for me. Which is strange cause blue is the weak color that wears out the quickest. But my blue looks fine.
This will probably happen to all of us to some degree sooner or later.
The image retention that lasts 1-3 seconds we might see within a month or two usage is actually one of the characteristics of AMOLED "Ghosting effect"
which is not the same as AMOLED "reverse led fatigue" (or although technically incorrect but more widely understood term "Burn-ins") which maybe seen as permanent image retention shown as yellowish outlines of icons / keyboard outlines, etc.
Sadly, there's really nothing you can do about this problem after the fact, except to change the screen itself if it is really bothersome. Or you may try to change/delete/make transparent of the permanently placed icons/other objects/pictures to try to reverse these effects.
The only preventive measures would be changing screen rotation from vertical to horizontal, and make sure you don't have the screen on at a stay still image (preferably set auto screen off to 30seconds or so.)
It is humorous how particular many people are about "pocket" screens. Oled technology in reality is like the merger of lcd and plasma screens. And oled does get image retention and burn in similar to plasma. It is harder to avoid on a cell phone with so many possibilities of static images. Really though, it is good to mention/complaint about it so it gets attention and oled manufacturers try to improve upon the technology and try to minimize or get rid of the issues altogether. Many people still think plasmas get burn in very easily and that is far from the truth. The last 3 years or so Panasonic and Samsung have made great strides in minimizing the possibility and you see very few complaints about it. And it is even more humorous that many people think lcd technology is better for viewing because it is newer than plasma when the exact opposite is true. LCD technology is older than plasma, and aside from power usage and weight, lcd doesn't have many benefits over plasma. And because of the post processing to try and overcome the deficiencies of lcd viewing lcd screens are closing the gap in power consumption with plasma. But yeah, all you can do about the image retention of oled now is put pressure on samsung and lg and any newcomers to the technology to improve it. Hopefully, oled will overcome its shortcomings to lcd and plasma and be the better tech out of all three in the near future. I wish they made laptops with plasma screens. That would be an awesome option for laptop users that use theirs as desktop replacements like myself.
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I don't have any "burn in". I guess different screens behave differently.
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I don't have any "burn in". I guess different screens behave differently.
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Many people think they dont have it till they install dead pixel detect and check each color. I bet you have it on the color red.
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Many people think they dont have it till they install dead pixel detect and check each color. I bet you have it on the color red.
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All my pixels are fine but I notice the notification bar retention on brown with the XDA app and I notice the bottom (whatever it's called bar) on grey from the app you suggested. Either way, I still love the phone!!!
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Many people think they dont have it till they install dead pixel detect and check each color. I bet you have it on the color red.
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I don't. Out of curiosity I tried that app out after reading about it on this thread.
Hello, I intend to buy the Galaxy Nexus but the problem of the screen burn-in scares me. When I buy a phone, it's for two years, does the problem still exists in the new series?
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I know the ones at the store have this problem, but thats because they are full brightness all the time. I make it a point to use my phone in landscape clockwise, i.e. with pogo pins down, so the on screen buttons are on the opposite side as they usually are, and i haven't noticed any burn in. In low brightness conditions, you'll occasionally see some ghosting, but its not a big deal. They gave you extra blue pixels (rbgb), since those are the ones that are the weakest, to make sure your screen lasts 2 years.
had gnex since release date and had no problems with it what so ever, however, when bough had issues with screen itself e.g uneven colouring and banding (quite visible grey bars), replaced it and the model i got is fine so far...
I use most of the time my phone with middle brightness or minimum+screen filter during the night, as i don't use it at maximum, i will not get burn-in ?
Never had this issue with any phone.
Don't wanna open a new thread since this is a similar topic.
I've noticed a very faint light blue-ish stripe on my screen (where the notification bar is) while reading text on a white background (in fullscreen).
Is that burn-in? If so, is it covered under warranty?
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Don't wanna open a new thread since this is a similar topic.
I've noticed a very faint light blue-ish stripe on my screen (where the notification bar is) while reading text on a white background (in fullscreen).
Is that burn-in? If so, is it covered under warranty?
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People say it is not burn in but uneven wear of the pixels. I know if read about people running a white background I think it was overnight on high and it will start to remove the marks. The idea is to run other colors to wear in the spot evenly as the top bar usually is only running black.
If you do some searching around in these threads you will read what others have done and what has worked.
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Don't wanna open a new thread since this is a similar topic.
I've noticed a very faint light blue-ish stripe on my screen (where the notification bar is) while reading text on a white background (in fullscreen).
Is that burn-in? If so, is it covered under warranty?
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I have this too, but calling it burn-in is wrong I think. Those pixels are black (i.e. turned off) most of the time, so they couldn't possibly be "burned into" the screen. Rather, the issue seems to be that they are getting used too little, so they are not worn in as much as the rest of the screen. Since all screens of this type change slightly over time as they get used, there is a small but noticeable difference in how these different areas of the screen display certain colors.
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People say it is not burn in but uneven wear of the pixels. I know if read about people running a white background I think it was overnight on high and it will start to remove the marks. The idea is to run other colors to wear in the spot evenly as the top bar usually is only running black.
If you do some searching around in these threads you will read what others have done and what has worked.
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I haven't tried this, but it certainly seems like it could work.
Thx. Will try that
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The app "Display Tester" has a burn-in removal function that some people have found useful.
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How is the burn in factor any different than the great of the screens out there the gs3 epic vibrant you get the point aren't they all s amoled or amoled plus screens how would this phone differer with the burn in factor on the other devices
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GN got a nav bar present all the time, and it will get burned in, most people don't realize though they have it.
Same goes for notification bar.
They need to be semi transparent to fix the issue which we don't have.
Even the browser doesn't remove the nav bar.
Only YouTube and full screen movies will show you that issue.
We're approaching 2 months since the first Pixel 2 XL's started getting into our hands. We all know there were initial reports of premature screen burn-in from the nav bar on this phone. So immediate prevention tactics started to pop-up, including enabling immersive mode, disabling the nav bar with a build.prop edit, or using custom apps like Navbar Apps and Custom Navigation and Simple Control to simply eliminate all instances of the black nav bar from showing up and replacing it with other color variations such as green, red, white, yellow, blue etc..
I've personally gone the route of disabling the nav bar entirely with a build.prop edit and using Pie Control for my navigation needs. I'm now over a month of usage with the phone on this setup and have absolutely no burn-in. But I must admit that I would prefer the static nav bar because some apps simply won't fill the entire screen, leaving a black bar where the nav bar would normally be and occasionally I'll get stuck in an app because Pie Control won't activate the nav bar pop-out.
However, I will only go back to the static nav bar if I can be 100% sure I can avoid burn-in through the use of a custom nav bar coloring app, listed above. So, with that in mind, I'm looking for the input of others who have used something like Navbar apps to change their nav bar color to be anything but black. How long have you been using a setup like this and do you have any burn-in?
I've been using navbar apps since having gotten this phone. It's been about two months now-ish. I can barely, and by barely I mean BARELY, see the remnants of the navbar line at the bottom. I can't see any of the buttons in it though, I can just barely see the line. Ultimately however, like many have said before, you pretty much have to jump through hoops to see it. It never shows up when I'm viewing photos or watching videos or anything like that. So, even if it's BARELY there when viewing a solid gray wallpaper, it doesn't really bother me much. Also, this could just be image retention. I haven't watch a solid-color, full-screen wallpaper for 10 to 15 minutes to see if it eventually faded away.
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sn0warmy said:
....I will only go back to the static nav bar if I can be 100% sure I can avoid burn-in ....
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Cannot be guaranteed ever, using an amoled screen.
uicnren said:
Cannot be guaranteed ever, using an amoled screen.
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Truth.
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sharkie405 said:
I've been using navbar apps since having gotten this phone. It's been about two months now-ish. I've attached a screenshot with a solid grey wallpapers set as the background. I can barely, and by barely I mean BARELY, see the remnants of the navbar line at the bottom. I can't see any of the buttons in it though, I can just barely see the line. Ultimately however, like many have said before, you pretty much have to jump through hoops to see it. It never shows up when I'm viewing photos or watching videos or anything like that. So, even if it's BARELY there when viewing a wallpaper like this, it doesn't really bother me much. Also, this could just be image retention. I didn't watch the wallpaper for 10 to 15 minutes to see if it eventually faded away.
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You expect us to see burn-in/image retention on a screenshot?
I believe Google is doing more than enough for this overblown issue. They've already update the nav bar to dim, and are slowly changing Google apps to white and gray reversing the colors. Personally I'm happy everyone lost their $#!+ over this as we are finally getting another color for the nav bar than the black we've been looking at for years.
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You expect us to see burn-in/image retention on a screenshot?
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Oh, I didn't realize that you couldn't. Oh well. I'm certainly not going through all the hassle of taking a photo with some other device and all that.
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uicnren said:
Cannot be guaranteed ever, using an amoled screen.
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Agreed, but if you can take actions to prevent it for as long as possible, why not do that?
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I believe Google is doing more than enough for this overblown issue. They've already update the nav bar to dim, and are slowly changing Google apps to white and gray reversing the colors. Personally I'm happy everyone lost their $#!+ over this as we are finally getting another color for the nav bar than the black we've been looking at for years.
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I'll agree that the blue shift is definitely an overblown issue but this premature burn-in is not. My 6 month old S8 doesn't have any sign of it and neither does my 2 month old V30. At this point it's no secret that the 2 XL screen is subpar and for the price point that is a serious issue and is not overblown. Don't get me wrong, it's great that the Google apps are being updated. But honestly, what percentage of the apps you use for long periods on daily basis are Google created apps? In my case it's a small percentage. It will be a while (if ever) that all Play Store apps eliminate the black nav bar with white buttons. I'm not waiting around for that.
I don't mean to create a big argument over the burn-in issue. There are already plenty of threads about it. The moral of the story is that sharkie's post alone is enough for me to stick with disabling the nav-bar by editing the build.prop and using pop-out pie controls. I'm over a month with the phone and absolutely no burn-in with this method so I'll continue to stick with it. Minimal or not, if I can avoid it for as long as possible, I will.
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Agreed, but if you can take actions to prevent it for as long as possible, why not do that?
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Because, I buy a device to work for me, not the other way around.
If I need to take precautions, then the device would be returned, regardless of price.
If you are willing to compromise how you use the device, then thats fine, more power to you, I personally won't.
Just out of curiosity, after the first couple of weeks the phone was out, how many posts/blogs/articles about burn-in have you seen since then?
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Because, I buy a device to work for me, not the other way around.
If I need to take precautions, then the device would be returned, regardless of price.
If you are willing to compromise how you use the device, then thats fine, more power to you, I personally won't.
Just out of curiosity, after the first couple of weeks the phone was out, how many posts/blogs/articles about burn-in have you seen since then?
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Fair points. Little to no posts/blogs/articles after the first couple of weeks. Part of that could be due to the topic already being covered enough and any additional coverage would just be kicking a dead horse. But it could also just be that people stopped caring.
Admittedly, I'd prefer to not have to utilize a work-around, which I mentioned in my first post. But if I can prevent it with a slight compromise (which also gives me some more screen real estate) then I'll continue to do so.
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...Part of that could be due to the topic already being covered enough and any additional coverage would just be kicking a dead horse. But it could also just be that people stopped caring...
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Or maybe its just not an issue anymore?
Personally with ALL of the talk about it, I only saw about 7 or 8 (unfortunately they seemed to be popular bloggers/vloggers) actual individual people who actually had burn-in, and a few here on XDA who may also have said they had it. The rest were just parroting, or simply adding fuel to the fire (or blogging about it to garner clicks).
Anecdotal evidence to say the least, but to me, thats an insanely small number that actually had the issue.
Personally I saw many more posts that people did NOT have it, than I did that DID/DO have it.
I think it is funny however, while talking about this, just haw many people who said it was bad because it was a $1000 phone, but they could look past it, if it was $500, which to me is insane, bad is bad!
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Or maybe its just not an issue anymore?
Personally with ALL of the talk about it, I only saw about 7 or 8 (unfortunately they seemed to be popular bloggers/vloggers) actual individual people who actually had burn-in, and a few here on XDA who may also have said they had it. The rest were just parroting, or simply adding fuel to the fire (or blogging about it to garner clicks).
Anecdotal evidence to say the least, but to me, thats an insanely small number that actually had the issue.
Personally I saw many more posts that people did NOT have it, than I did that DID/DO have it.
I think it is funny however, while talking about this, just haw many people who said it was bad because it was a $1000 phone, but they could look past it, if it was $500, which to me is insane, bad is bad!
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In addition, I think it's only fair to point out that I've given exactly 0% of my time in trying to avoid burn-in with the status bar area which has plenty of instances of black background and white icons. However, in looking closely for screen burn-in on the screen, I've found absolutely no burn-in in the status bar area either, indicating that what you are saying could be completely true in that it really is not an issue. Now I'm starting to wonder if some people really did just get unlucky with bad screens.
Maybe at some point I'll stop caring and just switch back to stock nav bar and see what happens, but for now I'll stick with Pie Controls.
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In addition, I think it's only fair to point out that I've given exactly 0% of my time in trying to avoid burn-in with the status bar area which has plenty of instances of black background and white icons. However, in looking closely for screen burn-in on the screen, I've found absolutely no burn-in in the status bar area either, indicating that what you are saying could be completely true in that it really is not an issue. Now I'm starting to wonder if some people really did just get unlucky with bad screens.
Maybe at some point I'll stop caring and just switch back to stock nav bar and see what happens, but for now I'll stick with Pie Controls.
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Im not saying its not an issue at all, clearly there are some people who did have it. In my small view of the over-all, it appears to me that it was mostly people who got early review units, and an even smaller number of the general public.
Maybe they got units that were used for burn-in testing? I have no clue if thats the case, but there were people who actually got phones with no OS installed at all, so its not entirely out of the realm of possibility.
I haven't seen anything new to indicate to me that its an on-going issue, thats more my point Im trying to make. After the initial reports, its gone silent.
Anyway, enjoy your device!
With regard to viewing navbar apps as a workaround, I didn't install it as a workaround or preventive measure, I installed it because I like having a dynamic navbar. And every device I've had before this I would always modify the framework-res.apk to have the dynamic navbar more naturally, but we're not yet able to mod framework-res.apk on the pixel 2 XL, so I had to settle for a third party app. Dynamic navbar has always looks cooler, but it is especially looks cool on the pixel 2XL because it allows the bottom curve of the screen to be seen, whereas having a black navbar makes the screen look like it's not curved at the bottom. Just my two cents.
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