Should I buy it? Preventing the bootloop - Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Should I buy it? Preventing the bootloop - Nexus 5X Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hi guys, I am new here. Right now there is a sweet deal on an online store in my country, but I dont want to waste my money.
Basically I am thinking on buying the phone, but I am a bit scared with this bootloop issue.
Is there a safe way to prevent it? Update software right away? Not updating at all?
Thanks in advance

@indan: the common guess is, that bootloop is caused by brittle solder points. High temperatures by fastly running processor improve brittle fractures. So, if you want to run heavy games or other heavy stuff, don't buy it. You wouldn't be happy with 2GB RAM, too.
Otherwise it's recommendable. Google promised updates upto autumn 2018 and there's much choice of custom ROMs

@rp158 Thanks man!
Definitely not gaming at all. The same goes for Snapchat and the Facebook app, which I know can be a problem in some devices, I dont use them at all.
Probably some heavy browsing/YouTube/instagram/streaming movies
The camera mostly for taking pictures, not videos. And if I record something, it wont be in 4K.
What about the updates? Should I do it or it can become a problem?

Do it. If Google-updates stop, there's an active community to continue.

what's a good alternative to a 5X? a 6P?

I don't think the problem is solder or RAM , it must have some relation with CPU and its cores.There are plenty of other phones out there, Nexus 5X is a good phone but there is no guarantee whether it would perform forever or when it would end up in a boot loop.? Snapdragon 808/810 are unfinished and partially handicapped chip sets.
hxxp.mobiledroid.co.uk/blog/thermal-throttling-which-socs-are-worst/

paradoxiumwind said:
what's a good alternative to a 5X? a 6P?
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I looked at a 6p, but costwise it's just too expensive, I'd rather just use the $ for a Pixel 2. The 5x is cheap enough brand new that I'd suggest it to anyone even with the bootloop for the right price, but most 6p brand new are over $300 still.

I run the ElementalX kernel (always have) and have set the thermal throttle set point for the big core really pretty low, so its off a lot of the time. I really don't know even notice it. Its been my theory that limiting the temperature would help prevent the problem.

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Still worthing buy the Nexus 5x in 2017?

Hello everyone!
So the new google pixel is out but it's pretty costly and since the budget is limited i was looking for a more economic option, so here i am.
Do you think that Nexus 5x is still good phone in 2017? Are you still satisfied with it or it should be better take a look for another phone?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
DaRk-L0rD

Don't do that I have lots of problems with this device (if you want to use it for modding or just unlocking bootloader) Click

DaRk-L0rD said:
Hello everyone!
So the new google pixel is out but it's pretty costly and since the budget is limited i was looking for a more economic option, so here i am.
Do you think that Nexus 5x is still good phone in 2017? Are you still satisfied with it or it should be better take a look for another phone?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
DaRk-L0rD
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Edoardo396 said:
Don't do that I have lots of problems with this device (if you want to use it for modding or just unlocking bootloader) Click
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that's kinda single case. in general the N5X works very good, is easy to handle/to mod and its greatly supported by developers and Google.
also, the Nexus is always first in getting Android updates alongside with Pixel. so yeah, imo its still worth it to buy.

ulxerker said:
that's kinda single case. in general the N5X works very good, is easy to handle/to mod and its greatly supported by developers and Google.
also, the Nexus is always first in getting Android updates alongside with Pixel. so yeah, imo its still worth it to buy.
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Yes, I agree, it worked very well before the problem.

Here you have.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4izdD7l3BWY

Satisfied, and it is still a decent device. But if you are a heavy user with so many apps and multitasking requirements, I'd advise against it as a daily driver.

Yes. After more than a month of use, updated to 7.1.1 and jan security update, so far no problem. This one is my daily driver.

For the "right" price of course. You should try and negotiate.

I can buy three Pixels with my budget, but Im not considering changing my 5x as a daily driver yet. Using it since jan 2016, not a single issue except for the back cover getting dirty easily. Light, not too big not too small, not expensive, powerful enough for almost any task, great display, decent stereo speakers with mod, accurate GPS, good battery life with 7.1.1, always up to date, durable and impressive cameras.
Theres no better smartphone on the market IMO, of course depending on your wishes, you wont need anything other that N5X cannot offer.

It depends on who you are. A heavy user playing games, having a tens of apps opened or rather a decent one with social/media focus? This being a good device for sorta a middle demanding user. It's still got very good camera, vanilla Android, regular updates, good dimensions etc... Speaking for myself, I've always been happy with it. It just fits my needs

It depends!
i have this device from 1 month! it not so much time .. but enought for test it in deep.
the value depends on how much money you will spend!
because the 5x have some deficiencies compare with over middle range! display - battery - audio-ram is under the average!
although the cpu is a very good compromise: good performance and very low heat! and the camera is very very good too!
take your sum but i suggest to look something else and more future-proof ( mininum 3 gb of ram )
ps. I bought it because a friend of mine gave it to me for 100 euro 32 gb hehehehe and it have just 5 months. DD

It is a good phone unless you have unreasonable expectations. Works good for me

DaRk-L0rD said:
Hello everyone!
So the new google pixel is out but it's pretty costly and since the budget is limited i was looking for a more economic option, so here i am.
Do you think that Nexus 5x is still good phone in 2017? Are you still satisfied with it or it should be better take a look for another phone?
Thanks in advance!
Best regards,
DaRk-L0rD
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Despite of the bootloop issue happening globally, I strongly suggest avoid buying it or any google device like 6P and other LG Devices for your own good

I just got mine early this month, I bought it coz I know it would still get the next Android version after Nougat. This thing takes great photos, arguably comparable or better than what the current flagships has to offer. And feels just as snappy. I would recommend it.
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JovieBrett said:
Despite of the bootloop issue happening globally, I strongly suggest avoid buying it or any google device like 6P and other LG Devices for your own good
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For some reason, I don't get no bootloops at all. I have stock everything.

arvinsheet said:
I just got mine early this month, I bought it coz I know it would still get the next Android version after Nougat. This thing takes great photos, arguably comparable or better than what the current flagships has to offer. And feels just as snappy. I would recommend it.
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For some reason, I don't get no bootloops at all. I have stock everything.
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Of course not all of us would experience that right away, LG itself claimed the hardware problem presented on Nexus 5X devices which causes the device to loop endlessly, telling to refund them as they're no longer have the parts to repair it.
I have my 5X, I bought it 2016, January and I wasn't aware of the hardware problem happening on 5X due to the bad soldering on the motherboard which the flash memory and Snapdragon chip residing on, few days ago I didn't knew that was the end making my $400 phone a paperweight, the worse thing is warranty has already expired plus I'm living outside the US and Europe so Google and LG's support are unavailable and are out of reach, so what now? Google left me out of the blue for nothing on this crap phone. I'm a huge fan of their nexus devices and 5X was my first ever phone I bought and same reason as yours why I bought it, very disappointed so never again to them and LG.
It's not bad for me to say him avoid buying it because I'm just concerned about it, rather than blame everything at the end of the day when it happens...

My opinion: just buy it If you like the stock android with quick updates, and modding/custom rom
If so, it's excellent, great screen, great camera, a lot of community roms/mods so you cant get bored...
But If you are not going to enjoy that you better go to other option

JovieBrett said:
Of course not all of us would experience that right away, LG itself claimed the hardware problem presented on Nexus 5X devices which causes the device to loop endlessly, telling to refund them as they're no longer have the parts to repair it.
I have my 5X, I bought it 2016, January and I wasn't aware of the hardware problem happening on 5X due to the bad soldering on the motherboard which the flash memory and Snapdragon chip residing on, few days ago I didn't knew that was the end making my $400 phone a paperweight, the worse thing is warranty has already expired plus I'm living outside the US and Europe so Google and LG's support are unavailable and are out of reach, so what now? Google left me out of the blue for nothing on this crap phone. I'm a huge fan of their nexus devices and 5X was my first ever phone I bought and same reason as yours why I bought it, very disappointed so never again to them and LG.
It's not bad for me to say him avoid buying it because I'm just concerned about it, rather than blame everything at the end of the day when it happens...
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They said the boot loops occurred after the Nougat update. I got the phone under marshmallow and updated it with no issues so far. Not sure if the boot loops occurs on all models though as there's a couple of them. I got the H791 (UK.EU version). Crossing my fingers.

Well, I got it for £200 and it is way worth the money. I think it's okay as a daily driver, but if you had the money - get the Pixel. It's just.. better. If the Pixel is a bit too much maybe get the Nexus 6P. It's an upgrade from this although personally I find 5.2" to be a perfect phone size, and alas the Pixel only comes in 5" and 5.5".
I'm using this as a daily driver with the following, it is still fast and amazing:
Pixel ROM (6.1)
F2FS Data & Cache Partitions
Adaway
Franco Kernel (r32)
SuperSU (SR3)
Naptime (Disable Motion, Instant Doze, and Exclude Fit)
L Speed (LNET Tweaked for Mobile Data, Disabled Debugging, and KSM Enable)
FKUpdator for HawkTail1.2 Governer
Thermal Throttling changed to 46 Degrees Celcius
XThermal Mod (for Charging)
Substratum for "Swift Dark Theme (7.1.1)"
TWRP Classic 3.0.2-2
UX Sound Mod (Final + HiFi)

My short answer No, do not buy. I was debating the Moto G4 Plus versus Nexus 5x last November and purchased the Nexus. It is impossible to say whether I would have liked the Moto better or not but I would research alternative phones before purchasing.
My longer answer is that the Nexus 5x works fairly well but often feels laggy, especially if you have too many chrome browser tabs open. Task switching often feels like my old memory constrained Windows 7 desktop computer. This is without playing any games or loading the Facebook app. These statements are made while running totally stock with the 7.0 OS release without any skins or launchers or widgets loaded. Also I might be primarily commenting on software issues with the Chrome Browser rather than the device itself but when on slow Wi-Fi or 3G connections I sometimes experienced greater than one second User Interface glitches when switching between apps or even getting the on screen keyboard to load in order to type. This all happened while on a long vacation/travel where internet access was often bandwidth constrained. Still I found the user experience to be poor even under good network conditions. I kept a few communications/text-chat apps loaded along with the browser and email and occasionally used some banking or calculator or news apps, enough that memory had to be reclaimed which appeared to be the biggest source of the UI pauses.
To add a little more context I purchased the 5x to replace my Asus Zenfone 2 after its wifi interface had died. The Zenfone 2 had 4 GB of memory and always task switched with ease and never felt laggy (though it was not a speed demon) even though it had a heavier skin. My old Nexus 4 was very SRAM constrained which eventually caused me to upgrade but it never felt as unresponsive as the newer 5x.

arvinsheet said:
They said the boot loops occurred after the Nougat update. I got the phone under marshmallow and updated it with no issues so far. Not sure if the boot loops occurs on all models though as there's a couple of them. I got the H791 (UK.EU version). Crossing my fingers.
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Then that's great for you your phone is running good 'til now. It just happened nougat is currently rolling out the time more and more users are getting affected because the older the phone, the more it's getting to an end, that's why lots of users feels like nougat is the problem when hardware is the fault itself, google and LG already declared their statement about it.

Still worth buying?

I'm currently using an HTC One M7. It's still a decent phone, there are even pretty stable Nougat Roms available for it. But it is noticeable struggling when it comes to more demanding tasks. No surprise really, since it's a more than 4 year old phone.
So would you guys say, that the 5X is still worth buying? How is its overall performance? Especially now with Android O?
Thanks in advance!

Haven't used Android O. I don't recommend the phone because there is always a chance of bootlooping. If you are willing to roll the dice then it is a very good phone after modding it. If you want to keep everything stock then it's probably better to get a newer phone with stock android.

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Haven't used Android O. I don't recommend the phone because there is always a chance of bootlooping. If you are willing to roll the dice then it is a very good phone after modding it. If you want to keep everything stock then it's probably better to get a newer phone with stock android.
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I read there was this bootloop issue, but didn't do much reading on it. Is it a hardware issue?
Flashing a custom Rom/rooting it would be the first thing I'd do with the phone.

Marc199 said:
I read there was this bootloop issue, but didn't do much reading on it. Is it a hardware issue?
Flashing a custom Rom/rooting it would be the first thing I'd do with the phone.
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Yeah it's a hardware issue- basically a low-quality soldering job from Qualcomm. Basically the big cluster of A57 cores eventually fail- though this can be rectified with a custom boot.img/kernel.
I recently purchased a Google-refurb 5X simply for O support (and it was extremely cheap), and it's a fantastic phone. However, as a long term device I can't recommend it.

negusp said:
Yeah it's a hardware issue- basically a low-quality soldering job from Qualcomm. Basically the big cluster of A57 cores eventually fail- though this can be rectified with a custom boot.img/kernel.
I recently purchased a Google-refurb 5X simply for O support (and it was extremely cheap), and it's a fantastic phone. However, as a long term device I can't recommend it.
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Well, this is obviously not great. But if this is fixable, it might not be as bad.
Official O-support is one of the main reasons I am thinking about buying it. And since the 5X is also out for quite a while now it's not supposed to be a long term solution.

Marc199 said:
Well, this is obviously not great. But if this is fixable, it might not be as bad.
Official O-support is one of the main reasons I am thinking about buying it. And since the 5X is also out for quite a while now it's not supposed to be a long term solution.
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It's not within the ability of a normal person to fix (ie: reflow/repair the solder joints permanently); however, running the CPU with only the small cores (which is essentially the "fix" for the bootloop) should mitigate the problem beyond the practical lifespan of the device.
I'm perfectly happy with a bit of a performance hit- the camera, fingerprint scanner, speakers, dev support, and notification LED are all heckin amazing.

No, I would not recommend it, there are plenty of faster phones that you can get for around the same price. Plus the boot loop issue

I use N5X since 1y. For my low usage it's fine and stays cool, so I exspect still 2y without bootloop. But 2GB RAM will be or become a bottleneck. Remain the fast Andeoid updates - look here for devices, which got Oreo yet.

rp158 said:
I use N5X since 1y. For my low usage it's fine and stays cool, so I exspect still 2y without bootloop. But 2GB RAM will be or become a bottleneck. Remain the fast Andeoid updates - look here for devices, which got Oreo yet.
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Yeah, don't know what Google was thinking when they decided to only put 2 GB of Ram in it.
Well, seems like I shouldn't buy it. Guess I'll wait for the Pixel to become a bit cheaper.

I am quite happy with this phone, though due to 2 things (only 2GB of RAM and no SD card) I'll move to some of the Android One models as soon as they're available in Europe, most probably Xiaomi Mi A1 (as long as one can unlock bootloader and root it without issues). I want to stay with clean Android and guaranteed, early and periodic updates. Not too many choices out there, Pixel is too expensive for me.

_mysiak_ said:
I am quite happy with this phone, though due to 2 things (only 2GB of RAM and no SD card) I'll move to some of the Android One models as soon as they're available in Europe, most probably Xiaomi Mi A1 (as long as one can unlock bootloader and root it without issues). I want to stay with clean Android and guaranteed, early and periodic updates. Not too many choices out there, Pixel is too expensive for me.
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I'd say exactly that. Been using The n5x for 1 year now but thre 2GB of RAM + the SD808 are just too old to compete with devices like the Mi A1. Surely the SD625 isnt a highend soc but it should perform better then the SD808 because of the 4GB of RAM. I personally will wait until End of the year and maybe buy the Mi Mix 2 if i get it for around 350€. We will see.

The 5X runs Oreo and is scheduled to receive monthly security updates for a year. This alone makes it still a relevant smartphone. One year from now you will certainly see much newer phones still without Oreo. The form, size, and fingerprint reader are near perfect for me. Its biggest limitation is having only 2GB of RAM which affects multitasking. This is most obvious when you use a web browser for a while and then switch back to other tasks because there is an obvious delay which means that the app is being reloaded.

It's like having a $200+ brick, mine bootlooped in the worst moment possible. Overall is a great phone if you are willing to live with the uncertainty of when its going to bootloop. Save your money and buy something better.

Bought mines mines in june 2016, using it till this date, no bootloop problem (as yet hopefully), totally worth the price imo just make sure you enable oem unlocking in the dev menu in case something happens.

I wouldn't recommend this phone, and overall any LG phone. I didn't get the bootloop issue yet but I read A LOT about it and it seems it will come for you one day for sure, usually after 1 year. The only other serious problem with this phone is the overheating, it overheats even if I don't do anything. Only after chatting with a friend for ~20 minutes on messenger with no other apps running, the phone gets hot. Games are even worse...
Next, the phone is fine with most games but don't expect to run all the AAA games on higher than Low (Modern Combat 5, Minecraft [barely], Mortal Kombat, Asphalts, Gangstar...). Android O is mostly fine, has some issues here and there but nothing too serious IMO.

How bad is the S20+ Exynos really?

Hi guys,
I understand there are many threads regarding this, and I've spent pretty much the entire day scouring through them, but I still see conflicting information and I want a definitive answer as to whether I should cancel my order of the Galaxy S20+ Exynos. I also wanted to ask a few questions which don't seem to get asked in any other threads.
So my first primary question is: is the S20+ Exynos really that bad? Coming from a Galaxy S8 and the price being quite expensive on contract, am I likely to entirely regret the purchase? Will I still see a significant improvement in terms of battery life and thermals compared to my S8?
I'm generally not a huge power user; would maybe play the occasional game of CODM or Antimatter Dimensions (Pretty much an idle game, so I doubt it'd cause any throttling, but from what I've heard of some users experiencing heat problems when scrolling through Facebook, I wouldn't be surprised.) The one thing that has me on the fence is the lack of consistency; I've read loads of threads talking about it's issues, but then loads of people saying they love the phone and are getting pretty good battery life with it, saying they are on Exynos. I'm wondering whether the whole thing is blown out of proportion or is it completely justified?
One point which I haven't really saw people mention is that originally people were saying that the device 'learns your usage'; the phone has been out for 2 months now, has anyone noticed any significant difference in battery life/thermals?
Another point that I was wondering that I don't really see mentioned is any update to fix the issue; is it possible to fix these issues with software updates? I understand that there's the fix for the green screen issue, but I'm more concerned about the battery life and thermals.
I'm really at a loss here. There doesn't really seem to be any other phone that appeals to me other than the S20+ that I can buy on a carrier that gets good signal where I live, apart from maybe the iPhone 11 Pro, but that is quite a bit more expensive. I'm even debating just getting the normal iPhone 11, but the LCD screen is putting me off. I really don't want to spend this much money on a phone only for the performance and battery life to be so badly hindered.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sammy Fanboi here who, until the S20 had every samsung flagship since S4, I also had Note Series devices. And every device got hate about something... really every device always has some mini scandal/gate... I never saw those flaws on those devices or better said they never affected me. But this time, most things said is unfortunately true.
My issues:
Thermals. This is big because thermals are very important on every device not only phones. If the brains is negatively affected it can't operate at it's full potential and everything suffers from it.
The S20 exynos gets hot very easily and fast which means no 120Hz which is a main feature that you can't use anymore! Oh you wanna play games? ok have fun for 10 minutes because after those 10 minutes you get teleported back a few years and you now playing on s S7. Everything stutters frames start dropping and you notice the change obviously instantly from from the smooth gameplay before. Now you get frustrated and stop playing. This happens faster in warm climates like right now. This happens on everything that stresses the SOC not even in a very extreme way but just medium and over a longer period. And this issue is real.
Besides the fact that there are S20's in the world with SD SOC's that cost the same and don't have this issue or are even more capable is just not fair and such ****ty move from sammy.
But SD S20's are not perfect either, they also suffer when compared to other devices with the SD865! There is this youtube channel called techutopia or something which does emulator tests and he tested in a video 3 SD865 devices and the S20 performed the worst even with the same SOC because of sammys bad thermals!
For this reason alone I would skip the S20 exynos or even the S20 series all together.
Battery is the same on every device of mine! No difference there. Every device I owned get's me trough the day without a problem but I have to charge overnight. No change in that. But don't expect the S20+ to deliver any miracles.
Display seems ok on mine no crazy green tint issue like some people post where the display looks like some cheap lcd with extreme green clouding issues. My Display looks like it changes it's color profile at lower brightness settings on a gray background but at least no clouding. OLED lottery...

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Sammy Fanboi here who, until the S20 had every samsung flagship since S4, I also had Note Series devices. And every device got hate about something... really every device always has some mini scandal/gate... I never saw those flaws on those devices or better said they never affected me. But this time, most things said is unfortunately true.
My issues:
Thermals. This is big because thermals are very important on every device not only phones. If the brains is negatively affected it can't operate at it's full potential and everything suffers from it.
The S20 exynos gets hot very easily and fast which means no 120Hz which is a main feature that you can't use anymore! Oh you wanna play games? ok have fun for 10 minutes because after those 10 minutes you get teleported back a few years and you now playing on s S7. Everything stutters frames start dropping and you notice the change obviously instantly from from the smooth gameplay before. Now you get frustrated and stop playing. This happens faster in warm climates like right now. This happens on everything that stresses the SOC not even in a very extreme way but just medium and over a longer period. And this issue is real.
Besides the fact that there are S20's in the world with SD SOC's that cost the same and don't have this issue or are even more capable is just not fair and such ****ty move from sammy.
But SD S20's are not perfect either, they also suffer when compared to other devices with the SD865! There is this youtube channel called techutopia or something which does emulator tests and he tested in a video 3 SD865 devices and the S20 performed the worst even with the same SOC because of sammys bad thermals!
For this reason alone I would skip the S20 exynos or even the S20 series all together.
Battery is the same on every device of mine! No difference there. Every device I owned get's me trough the day without a problem but I have to charge overnight. No change in that. But don't expect the S20+ to deliver any miracles.
Display seems ok on mine no crazy green tint issue like some people post where the display looks like some cheap lcd with extreme green clouding issues. My Display looks like it changes it's color profile at lower brightness settings on a gray background but at least no clouding. OLED lottery...
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Damn.
Honestly, I was hoping for a different answer, but I think this is the answer I needed.
I've been with Samsung since the S6, got the S7 Edge and then S8 and had no real reason to upgrade since that as it's just been such a perfect phone. Samsung have lost a pretty easy sale here and if this issue didn't exist then I would've been happily using an S20+ right now.
Honestly I don't know what to do from here in terms of my phone; I've never owned an iPhone, and never even thought about buying one until now, but the iPhone 11 or XS are the only phones other than the S20+ that really appeal to me. I would be looking at the OP8 but it's not available on contract with O2. I'm tempted to just keep my S8 until a phone that does appeal to me comes out, but I don't know how much life my S8 still has in it as I've had it for over 2 1/2 years; it seems to be doing alright for now but with some noticeable slow down. One thing I will say is that the S8 has been a damn near exceptional phone and made me a loyal Samsung customer, but this has just completely backtracked that.
Thanks for the post, it was a great help. Definitely going to cancel my order and have a think about other options.

I have an S20+, and personally while I'd "prefer" the SD version, for me the Exynos is not as bad as some people make out.
Yes, the SD version is faster in benchmarks, but the reality is in day to day use who is going to actually notice? And yes, while it's not as quick as the SD, it's not exactly a "slow" chip.
I had the reboot issue at the start, but this has been fixed for me with a software update.
As I said given the choice, I'd have picked the SD version, but we are talking about is it really THAT BAD here, right?
I don't game much on my phone, but I do everything else pretty heavily and my phone never even feels warm in general use. I have read some people say their devices get hot just browsing, watching Youtube etc.
Mine has never even got mildly warm watching Youtube or in general use... I even tested it and it's temp hovered about 34c in use, while at idle it was 31c. This makes me wonder if there's something else going on there? Ie: Configuration issue? Or if maybe not all Exynos 990's are equal? I can't answer that.
I have spent some time tuning the phone, as I do with every phone I have, and I've been generally happy overall. If I run at 96hz I regularly get 7.5hr to 8hr+ SOT a day, after more updates and tweaking, at 120hz I can get 6.5hrs to 7hrs SOT. As I said, I take to time to optimise every phone I have like this, so I'm not doing anything I wouldn't usually do with another phone here.
Apart from Macro shots (which needs fixing), I've been pretty happy with the camera. While there is always room to improve, I'm sure there will be additional firmware updates which will improve it to some degree again.
Not saying everyone's use and experience will be the same, but I'm just speaking for my personal experience with my S20+.
What I need from a phone is good daily performance, good battery life, and a great screen, and that's what I'm getting.
Would I like the slightly better performance and efficiency of the SD for the same money? Yes obviously.
Is the Exynos 990 "that bad"? For me, no it isn't.

Not bad at all. I got my Exynos S20+ on Wednesday and the battery is very good, it was also ridiculously cheap compared to the Snapdragon version, it gets updates faster, and it has never "overheated" like so many people claim it does. Then again, I'm not an 11 year old whose parents buy him everything and who plays fortnite all day so that may affect one's opinion if they fall into that category. Use basic logic: there's maybe a couple hundred people on the entire internet across all websites whining and complaining about their Exynos S20s having issues, millions of people with these phones around the world, and often times you'll find the people complaining about the Exynos battery life are little kids who play PUBG or Fortnite all day and night and complain their phone won't run 120Hz at max brightness on 5G for 8 hours without recharging. Absolutely nothing wrong with the Exynos, it's a great phone and you can usually find it cheaper if you look because of these few whiners (so I guess we do have something to thank them for!)

Everyone's experience with Exynos varies because everyone uses their phone a little differently. One person may have no issues at all (or relatively minor issues), and another person can't make it through a day without dealing with thermal throttling.
The general consensus is Exynos is an inferior SoC. There is no question about that. But if you don't game a lot, don't record a lot of video and don't plan to use 120 Hz, then chances are you won't be significantly affected by Exynos' poor efficiency. For me, those are a lot of caveats for a $1000+ phone.
You can import a Snapdragon model, but it might not support all the bands used by your carrier, and obviously you won't be able to roll the payments into your monthly phone bill.
I am not trying to talk you out of buying a S20, but you did the right thing by postponing your purchase until you decide it is definitely worth the money. And it sounds like you aren't convinced of that.
If you can't get a Snapdragon S20 but you still want Android, then I strongly recommend looking at OnePlus 8/Pro or 7T, all of which would save you some money. Moving to iPhone is a huge deal if you've invested a lot of money in the Play store. You'll also lose a lot of customizability. iPhones are great if you don't mind having essentially the same phone as every other iPhone owner. But forget about custom launchers, widgets and all the other stuff that makes an Android phone your phone. And get real comfortable with iTunes because you can't do anything to your iPhone without it.

If by inferior you mean it gets higher single core performance and slightly worse multi core performance and sometimes heats up slightly, yeah it's just the worst thing on earth!
S20 buying guide:
Do you play games for several hours straight on your phone and don't care about paying $300+ extra for the Crapdragon chipset? Buy the Crapdragon
Do you want a phone that blows all the competition in the same price range away and do literally anything else with your phone except play games for hours on end? Exynos

Sorry if I jump into the conversation, but it's a topic I'm interested in.
I've read that the Exynos variants have a standby battery drain problem. Is that true?
I'm coming from an S10e which has a BIG standby drain issue (I've experienced nothing like that before), and before buying an S20 I'd like to know if those rumors are true or not.
I'm asking this because I don't use the phone for gaming, so having a phone who can support graphic-intensive games for a long playing time is not a crucial point for me.

Basically:
a) You disable a ton of packages and apps through Package disabler = NO overheating, no lag, only minor frame drops when opening the camera (or I guess something else intensive)
b) You don't = all issues above. I used to drop to 60hz pretty often until I tuned everything up.
I have WiFi, 4G, Bt, Location always ON and the battery is fine for me. About 5h-7h SOT.
Coming from a Pixel 2, I'd advise against the S20+ in pursue of a different phone, mostly OP8 Pro or the Pixel 4 (though I'm unsure about the Pixel). I wouldn't get the iPhone since 120hz is so nice.

Coming from a OnePlus 6, I'd advise you buy an S20+. I can't recommend this phone enough and most of the whiners just need something to complain about and in reality haven't even compared the snapdragon and exynos so they have no basis to claim it's the CPU's fault and not just that the phone in general is not for them.
OnePlus 8 Pro is ridiculously underfeatured and overpriced. The only use I can see it having is if you're an OP fangirl and want to play games 24/7 so you absolutely need the slightly better cooling and qualcomm chipset.

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I have an S20+, and personally while I'd "prefer" the SD version, for me the Exynos is not as bad as some people make out.
Yes, the SD version is faster in benchmarks, but the reality is in day to day use who is going to actually notice? And yes, while it's not as quick as the SD, it's not exactly a "slow" chip.
I had the reboot issue at the start, but this has been fixed for me with a software update.
As I said given the choice, I'd have picked the SD version, but we are talking about is it really THAT BAD here, right?
I don't game much on my phone, but I do everything else pretty heavily and my phone never even feels warm in general use. I have read some people say their devices get hot just browsing, watching Youtube etc.
Mine has never even got mildly warm watching Youtube or in general use... I even tested it and it's temp hovered about 34c in use, while at idle it was 31c. This makes me wonder if there's something else going on there? Ie: Configuration issue? Or if maybe not all Exynos 990's are equal? I can't answer that.
I have spent some time tuning the phone, as I do with every phone I have, and I've been generally happy overall. If I run at 96hz I regularly get 7.5hr to 8hr+ SOT a day, after more updates and tweaking, at 120hz I can get 6.5hrs to 7hrs SOT. As I said, I take to time to optimise every phone I have like this, so I'm not doing anything I wouldn't usually do with another phone here.
Apart from Macro shots (which needs fixing), I've been pretty happy with the camera. While there is always room to improve, I'm sure there will be additional firmware updates which will improve it to some degree again.
Not saying everyone's use and experience will be the same, but I'm just speaking for my personal experience with my S20+.
What I need from a phone is good daily performance, good battery life, and a great screen, and that's what I'm getting.
Would I like the slightly better performance and efficiency of the SD for the same money? Yes obviously.
It's the Exynos 990 "that bad"? For me, no it isn't.
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Another great reply, thanks for the help. You see this is what's getting to me: you've got reply above yours pretty much saying do not get it, then others like yours saying it's generally okay. I understand that everyone has different usage for their devices, but with a device this expensive, it should absolutely cover the vast majority of use cases except the heaviest of loads. That's what's stopping me. It's like buying an Audi RS6 and finding that after 5 minutes it's peak power drops to 490bhp because it has bad cooling. While 490bhp isn't in any way bad, you're still losing a lot of power, and an excess of heat is going to cause a problem further down the line which is really putting me off when I wanted to keep this phone for at least 2 years.
TheNetwork said:
If by inferior you mean it gets higher single core performance and slightly worse multi core performance and sometimes heats up slightly, yeah it's just the worst thing on earth!
S20 buying guide:
Do you play games for several hours straight on your phone and don't care about paying $300+ extra for the Crapdragon chipset? Buy the Crapdragon
Do you want a phone that blows all the competition in the same price range away and do literally anything else with your phone except play games for hours on end? Exynos
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As said in my above reply to madpete, that really shouldn't be an issue. I don't play games for hours on end, but it's more about the idea that I have the option to do that if I want to. I have genuinely tried my best to find a way to be happy with buying this phone, spending pretty much all of yesterday researching it and hoping that I find some assurances, but pretty much nothing. The many many speed and thermal tests really don't lie; the Exynos is a bad chip. My question was HOW BAD was it, and did it warrant skipping over the phone, and the answer I got was generally to skip it.
harisyks said:
Basically:
a) You disable a ton of packages and apps through Package disabler = NO overheating, no lag, only minor frame drops when opening the camera (or I guess something else intensive)
b) You don't = all issues above. I used to drop to 60hz pretty often until I tuned everything up.
I have WiFi, 4G, Bt, Location always ON and the battery is fine for me. About 5h-7h SOT.
Coming from a Pixel 2, I'd advise against the S20+ in pursue of a different phone, mostly OP8 Pro or the Pixel 4 (though I'm unsure about the Pixel). I wouldn't get the iPhone since 120hz is so nice.
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I think the OP8 Pro is my top choice right now, but it's not offered by O2, which is the only carrier around me which gets a solid 4G connection indoors. I've been looking into OnePlus' Klarna scheme thing though, as I'd rather split the cost a bit rather than one big cost at once. As for the 120hz: as much as I love high refresh rates, the main thing stopping me from getting the iPhone (11) is that it doesn't have an OLED screen, along with the resolution. I know the joys of scrolling on a 120hz phone very well, but then I go back to my S8 and it just doesn't really matter to me if you get me?
sublimaze said:
Everyone's experience with Exynos varies because everyone uses their phone a little differently. One person may have no issues at all (or relatively minor issues), and another person can't make it through a day without dealing with thermal throttling.
The general consensus is Exynos is an inferior SoC. There is no question about that. But if you don't game a lot, don't record a lot of video and don't plan to use 120 Hz, then chances are you won't be significantly affected by Exynos' poor efficiency. For me, those are a lot of caveats for a $1000+ phone.
You can import a Snapdragon model, but it might not support all the bands used by your carrier, and obviously you won't be able to roll the payments into your monthly phone bill.
I am not trying to talk you out of buying a S20, but you did the right thing by postponing your purchase until you decide it is definitely worth the money. And it sounds like you aren't convinced of that.
If you can't get a Snapdragon S20 but you still want Android, then I strongly recommend looking at OnePlus 8/Pro or 7T, all of which would save you some money. Moving to iPhone is a huge deal if you've invested a lot of money in the Play store. You'll also lose a lot of customizability. iPhones are great if you don't mind having essentially the same phone as every other iPhone owner. But forget about custom launchers, widgets and all the other stuff that makes an Android phone your phone. And get real comfortable with iTunes because you can't do anything to your iPhone without it.
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I'd also love to import a Snapdragon model, but as said above I just don't want to pay everything upfront. Again, I'd absolutely love a OP8, but the lack of carrier support apart from Three in the UK severely affects my decision. As for the iPhone: honestly, if you asked me two years ago if I would ever buy an iPhone I would've 100% say no due to the lack of customisation. Now though? I guess it just doesn't really matter to me anymore. I don't know if it's whether I already like how the S8 is from factory reset (apart from a few changes), but I haven't used Nova in maybe a year or so. Maybe I'm missing some key customisation that I do that an iPhone can't do, I'm just not sure.

Yeah, but does it suffer from standby battery drain? That's a major point, to be honest.
It doesn't matter how you use your phone, if it drains battery just standing there by itself.

NickRaga said:
Sorry if I jump into the conversation, but it's a topic I'm interested in.
I've read that the Exynos variants have a standby battery drain problem. Is that true?
I'm coming from an S10e which has a BIG standby drain issue (I've experienced nothing like that before), and before buying an S20 I'd like to know if those rumors are true or not.
I'm asking this because I don't use the phone for gaming, so having a phone who can support graphic-intensive games for a long playing time is not a crucial point for me.
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No stadby problems at all, at least this is my experience
Actually S20+ is performing similar as S10+ I owned before, which means 3% drop overnight (approx 7 hrs) with wifi and data off
Even with data or wifi on the drain is normal
Sent from my SM-G985F using XDA Labs

TheNetwork said:
Coming from a OnePlus 6, I'd advise you buy an S20+. I can't recommend this phone enough and most of the whiners just need something to complain about and in reality haven't even compared the snapdragon and exynos so they have no basis to claim it's the CPU's fault and not just that the phone in general is not for them.
OnePlus 8 Pro is ridiculously underfeatured and overpriced. The only use I can see it having is if you're an OP fangirl and want to play games 24/7 so you absolutely need the slightly better cooling and qualcomm chipset.
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Mrwhosetheboss and others on YouTube have done great comparisons between exynos and snapdragon and exynos is inferior! Wish I'd have held off and got snapdragon from wondamobile

russellcausier said:
Mrwhosetheboss and others on YouTube have done great comparisons between exynos and snapdragon and exynos is inferior! Wish I'd have held off and got snapdragon from wondamobile
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If I remember correctly, they said that it's inferior only when it comes to intense use (i.e. with graphicly demanding games).

NickRaga said:
If I remember correctly, they said that it's inferior only when it comes to intense use (i.e. with graphicly demanding games).
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Inferior battery

NickRaga said:
Yeah, but does it suffer from standby battery drain? That's a major point, to be honest.
It doesn't matter how you use your phone, if it drains battery just standing there by itself.
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My s20 + 5g idle drain is the worst I've ever had on a phone coming from S10. On airplane mode im losing upwards of 20% a night having basically everything put to sleep, aod display off. This phone drains battery faster with screen off than on. Really disappointed thus far. Hope Samsung does something to fix this issue as its simply ridiculous.
Edit: This was a SIM card issue nothing more. Hope this edit may help someone else potentially.

Question Lookin for new phone

Hey guys, just cracked the hell out of my note 20 screen and looking to switch phones to either the 9 pro or the Google pixel I know this might be a bias forum to post one xD but I despise Samsung because they make it so hard to root and the things you do with it are extremely limited just wondering how the 9 pro is if it's easy to root, a good phone etc etc how close it is to the newer one coming out and if I should wait or not I appreciate any input ^_^

It is the easiest phone to root at the market. Go for it. It's worth it.

Veid71 said:
Hey guys, just cracked the hell out of my note 20 screen and looking to switch phones to either the 9 pro or the Google pixel I know this might be a bias forum to post one xD but I despise Samsung because they make it so hard to root and the things you do with it are extremely limited just wondering how the 9 pro is if it's easy to root, a good phone etc etc how close it is to the newer one coming out and if I should wait or not I appreciate any input ^_^
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New one coming out. Nord 2 is low end price point phones.

Buy 9 pro. Is an awesome phone. Root, updates, soon open beta's.
Les to none Bloatware. Samsung is full of it.

null0seven said:
Buy 9 pro. Is an awesome phone. Root, updates, soon open beta's.
Les to none Bloatware. Samsung is full of it.
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i am also looking to buy new phone but... i read it has a lot of over heating.. issues
currently i have 7 Pro

Great device my 9 Pro, easy to root, no overheating, fast, etc...
Take it for a spin...

I love my 9 Pro. It does get "warm" sometimes and my 6T never did. It doesn't seem to affect the phone in anyway. I think it's a good phone.

Anyone know if the tmobile/sprint version of it will be anymore locked down or hard to root?

I have a new OP9Pro , un rooted. I have significant overheating issues and I live in the Northeast USA. Example:
Spent 2 hours in the 70-80 degree sun yesterday. Phone went into overheat mode like 30 times. Had no choice. Thinking of just buying another OP7Pro TBH, I still miss the Moment case with the leather strap! (I also still have some cam add-ons). Anyhow, maybe rooting makes all the difference, but this is just really sad. the phone is just too thin IMO... :|

Yes because you need to Sim unlock the phone before rooting and meet all the requirements, plus you need to apply for an unlock token.

nitinvaid said:
i am also looking to buy new phone but... i read it has a lot of over heating.. issues
currently i have 7 Pro
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I never had heat issue with 7 pro. But i am not a heavy user.
8 pro does not heat up not even charging wireless. Wireless charger have ventilation.
Decide what phone is best for you. You da Boss!

null0seven said:
I never had heat issue with 7 pro. But i am not a heavy user.
8 pro does not heat up not even charging wireless. Wireless charger have ventilation.
Decide what phone is best for you. You da Boss!
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I know 7Pro does not have i was taking about the 9pro
whats the firmware version which is latest for INDIAN Variant 9 Pro
i will buy this and was preparing the files that i needed to root etc

Xiaomi Poco X3 Pro,, it has 8GB ram and Octa core processor in extremely low price!!!

jprattnu said:
I have a new OP9Pro , un rooted. I have significant overheating issues and I live in the Northeast USA. Example:
Spent 2 hours in the 70-80 degree sun yesterday. Phone went into overheat mode like 30 times. Had no choice. Thinking of just buying another OP7Pro TBH, I still miss the Moment case with the leather strap! (I also still have some cam add-ons). Anyhow, maybe rooting makes all the difference, but this is just really sad. the phone is just too thin IMO... :|
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70 to 80 degrees heat is the worst thing you can do to a battery. When the device goes into overheat mode, I think that's a good advancement to protect the device from heat. Such high temperatures significantly shorten the battery life.
For me, this is not an argument against the Oneplus 9 pro. Unless I have misunderstood something....
Regarding the heating issue: I never had it, but I am also not a heavy user. With a custom kernel (e.g. Omega), the issue is off the table anyway. System updates should also improve this, but the latter is just a guess.

Veid71 said:
Hey guys, just cracked the hell out of my note 20 screen and looking to switch phones to either the 9 pro or the Google pixel I know this might be a bias forum to post one xD but I despise Samsung because they make it so hard to root and the things you do with it are extremely limited just wondering how the 9 pro is if it's easy to root, a good phone etc etc how close it is to the newer one coming out and if I should wait or not I appreciate any input ^_^
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If root is the most important point, then go for it. Alternatively, maybe Xiaomi, although I don't really know how easy these devices can be rooted. Just have a look at the corresponding forums.
From my point of view, it is still unclear whether the Magisk project will be continued in the long term, which could possibly be an issue with Android 12.
The Oneplus 9 pro is a very good all-rounder, clearly a flagship. However, there are now interesting competitors in terms of price/performance, especially if you can do without root.
Samsung is not bad either. I mean, all the junk that Samsung offers can simply be debloated.
After using Oneplus for many years and a short break with a Huawei P40 pro, I have returned to Oneplus. I have to say, apart from Huawei's story, I was very positively surprised by the phone.
Nevertheless, Oneplus is the only alternative for me. Root and the complete package. Maybe a bit overpriced compared to the competition, but price stability and good resale value when it comes down to it.

razercortex said:
Yes because you need to Sim unlock the phone before rooting and meet all the requirements, plus you need to apply for an unlock token.
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I'm going to buy the phone in full so I should have it unlocked by default, but would that effect my ability to root it? And how hard is it to get that stuff?

Do you need very good battery life and best photos possible? Cause if you do, then I would recommend buying pixel. My wife's pixel 4a 5g lasts 3 days with 8-10h of sot with tons of apps (including social) running in background.
Photos are great too.
If you are more into quick charging and about 1,5 days battery life with 4-6h sot, and very good but not best photos, then op 9 pro is for you.
Op beats pixel in game and overall performance. It has more premium feel. But during everyday use in case it is not that obvious.

Flying Fox said:
70 to 80 degrees heat is the worst thing you can do to a battery. When the device goes into overheat mode, I think that's a good advancement to protect the device from heat. Such high temperatures significantly shorten the battery life.
For me, this is not an argument against the Oneplus 9 pro. Unless I have misunderstood something....
Regarding the heating issue: I never had it, but I am also not a heavy user. With a custom kernel (e.g. Omega), the issue is off the table anyway. System updates should also improve this, but the latter is just a guess.
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Right, but my old OP7Pro never had any issues with overheating... like... Never... :| I just thought it it kinda sucks - even on the dash of my car it overheats just from the sun in like 10 minutes... The 7 never did that either. :| Maybe I'm just whiny, but I only bought this 9Pro because my 7pro was recently smashed on both sides.

Flying Fox said:
70 to 80 degrees heat is the worst thing you can do to a battery. When the device goes into overheat mode, I think that's a good advancement to protect the device from heat. Such high temperatures significantly shorten the battery life.
For me, this is not an argument against the Oneplus 9 pro. Unless I have misunderstood something....
Regarding the heating issue: I never had it, but I am also not a heavy user. With a custom kernel (e.g. Omega), the issue is off the table anyway. System updates should also improve this, but the latter is just a guess.
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He's talking 70-80 farenheit, not celcius. That's 21-26c for you.

my first phone was the oneplus 5t, 6t, 7 pro today the 9 pro I like oneplus unlocked phones, no carrier bloatware easy to
use, easy to setup and lot of great features

Question Extreme lag on Exynos model

Hi. I've had the phone for a bit more than two weeks now, and especially the past week this phone has been unbearably laggy. At times, video playback will lag behind audio (not on bluetooth or anything), app transitions are extremely sluggish, and anything to do with camera cannot even come close to sustaining 60fps. I'm not even playing games or doing anything intensive on this phone, just social media and taking pictures here and there. I haven't used any ADB debloating tool due to the fear that it'll break functionality, but if that helps i'll take a go at it. Has anyone been experiencing similar performance issues with the Exynos model? I am seriously regretting "upgrading" from my broken OnePlus 6T, at 3 years old it was so much more performant than my S22. How would I even go about diagnosing this? Thanks in advance.

During set-up of the phone,did you use Smart Sitch to restore a back-up of any data ?

brouwerchris said:
During set-up of the phone,did you use Smart Sitch to restore a back-up of any data ?
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No, I've set up everything from scratch. I've tried increasing RAM+ to 8GB from the default 4, but it hasn't helped.

sgokan03 said:
No, I've set up everything from scratch. I've tried increasing RAM+ to 8GB from the default 4, but it hasn't helped.
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I'm pretty sure increasing the RAM+ value, which essentially represents the swap memory, your phone slows down because you're using more of your phone's storage for things the RAM memory should take care of. 8GB is plenty enough for daily usage. There's no need for what Samsung did.
Try turning the feature off altogether with "adb shell settings put global ram_expand_size_list 0"

dragos281993 said:
I'm pretty sure increasing the RAM+ value, which essentially represents the swap memory, your phone slows down because you're using more of your phone's storage for things the RAM memory should take care of. 8GB is plenty enough for daily usage. There's no need for what Samsung did.
Try turning the feature off altogether with "adb shell settings put global ram_expand_size_list 0"
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I've read this somewhere else as well (with how much bloat there is in OneUI I thought maybe they put the RAM+ feature there for a reason), I'll try to run it with 0 for a while and report back. Still, could this actually be the cause for this much stuttering?

sgokan03 said:
I've read this somewhere else as well (with how much bloat there is in OneUI I thought maybe they put the RAM+ feature there for a reason), I'll try to run it with 0 for a while and report back. Still, could this actually be the cause for this much stuttering?
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Sorry! 0 actually sets it to default, which is 4gb. Set it to 2 from the settings, reboot and see how that goes.
Try reading this thing. It should give you an idea of what Ram+ is. While you're at it, got to the first page and have a look there. It's a very detailed thread on what you need to do to either get rid of the bloatware, tweak your phone and so on, without root.
[DISCONTINUED] Samsung Galaxy One UI - Optimization Guide
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dragos281993 said:
Sorry! 0 actually sets it to default, which is 4gb. Set it to 2 from the settings, reboot and see how that goes.
Try reading this thing. It should give you an idea of what Ram+ is. While you're at it, got to the first page and have a look there. It's a very detailed thread on what you need to do to either get rid of the bloatware, tweak your phone and so on, without root.
[DISCONTINUED] Samsung Galaxy One UI - Optimization Guide
THIS IS A SUGGESTED CONFIGURATION FOR SAMSUNG DEVICES OUT OF SUPPORT/CLOSED I - RECOMMENDED SETTINGS To Start With - Factory Reset before starting optimisations - Factory Reset after every Major update (One UI/Android) - Remove SIM before first...
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Okay, good to know. I'll go through the thread (the message you sent was also helpful, I assumed it'd do the swapping once the memory is full) and debloat this as much as I could. But I still have to ask, is this the performance that I was supposed to expect from an 800€ phone?

sgokan03 said:
Okay, good to know. I'll go through the thread (the message you sent was also helpful, I assumed it'd do the swapping once the memory is full) and debloat this as much as I could. But I still have to ask, is this the performance that I was supposed to expect from an 800€ phone?
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I cancelled my preorder of the Exynos S22 because it took too long. I then ordered it from a store that brings international variants of all sorts of phones. My current S22 is from Hong Kong (TGY). What did I notice while using the phone? The battery life is TERRIBLE. I come from an iPhone 13 Pro which I used for almost 4 months but got rid of because of iOS. That thing was insanely good. I had absolutely no worries about the battery wherever I went and no matter what I was doing on it, because it was that good. Before that I used a Pixel 5, which was also the first phone which changed the way I charged my phone. Based on my usage, a full charge lasted me about 85-90% of what the iPhone lasted, so it was pretty close. This thing, TERRIBLE. I rooted it and cut the frequencies of all 3 core clusters almost in half to get half an hour more and get a little over 4h SOT.
So to answer your question, no it's definitely not worth it. I paid for this piece of rubbish 920€. Based on the experience I had so far, I wouldn't pay more than 600€ on it. I even wanted to return it and was looking to go back to a Pixel 5 which I regret selling in the first place, but after taking it out of the original white bumper case, in which I put it the second I unboxed the damn thing, I noticed small scratches all around the aluminium frame, which is supposed to be able to withstand a nuclear blast, based on Samsung's marketing BS. So the store tagged it as non-returnable because it's not "as new" anymore.
In conclusion, this is a terrible phone just because the battery is too small and the chipset is too inefficient for it, incompatible. And you are even "luckier" with your Exynos variant. FYI, Samsung sold SD variants of the S22 lienup in Koreea this time. Probably they didn't want to dissapoint their own people with their experimental chipset.

sgokan03 said:
Hi. I've had the phone for a bit more than two weeks now, and especially the past week this phone has been unbearably laggy. At times, video playback will lag behind audio (not on bluetooth or anything), app transitions are extremely sluggish, and anything to do with camera cannot even come close to sustaining 60fps. I'm not even playing games or doing anything intensive on this phone, just social media and taking pictures here and there. I haven't used any ADB debloating tool due to the fear that it'll break functionality, but if that helps i'll take a go at it. Has anyone been experiencing similar performance issues with the Exynos model? I am seriously regretting "upgrading" from my broken OnePlus 6T, at 3 years old it was so much more performant than my S22. How would I even go about diagnosing this? Thanks in advance.
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Hi,
It's true, there are reports everywhere of this problem. Every media app will stutter the image for a milisecond (twitch, instagram, youtube, etc) and the sound gets out of sync. A reboot works only for a couple of hours. Changing the ram will not solve this.
There are a lot of reports of this issue on the members app and they are aware of it. They say a patch will come but a lot has passed and the phone is almost unsuable for me. If I could, I would have return it.
I suggest you also report this on your members app.

gonsa said:
Hi,
It's true, there are reports everywhere of this problem. Every media app will stutter the image for a milisecond (twitch, instagram, youtube, etc) and the sound gets out of sync. A reboot works only for a couple of hours. Changing the ram will not solve this.
There are a lot of reports of this issue on the members app and they are aware of it. They say a patch will come but a lot has passed and the phone is almost unsuable for me. If I could, I would have return it.
I suggest you also report this on your members app.
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Damn, I went through a billion reviews before getting this thing, none of them mentioned this. It's been almost a month since I got the phone so I probably can't return it. And even if I could, I really don't have the time to switch phones, with banking apps and backups and crap it takes too much time for me to just constantly jump between ROMs or phones. Was the S21 this bad as well? How is everyone even recommending Samsung phones to people?

There was an update relased today. I installed it and checked the performace right away.
It's still there! every video starts with a micro stutter. What the hell Samsung...

gonsa said:
There was an update relased today. I installed it and checked the performace right away.
It's still there! every video starts with a micro stutter. What the hell Samsung...
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I just got the update as well. I'll try to install it but from your comments doesn't seem hopeful to actually help the issue. Still nice that they're this fast with updates though.
Side question, does video quality suck for you guys? Especially with the ultrawide, I get 2013-quality videos with a ton of artifacts, and its not even 60fps? (shows up at 41fps on file details).

Galaxy S22 has audio-video sync issues that need to be fixed
Samsung's latest Galaxy S22 flagship series is pretty darn good, but it is not perfect. Some lingering performance and stability ...
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Being fan and satisfied with Xiaomi for 6 years, I returned to Samsung (S22, exynos) 2 weeks ago to realize the biggest mistake I did! It charges slow, battery drain fast, multitasking gets slow, camera is disappointing at night and sticky in fast hand motions. Generally you can't count on it!
900€ trash 🫣. I can't even sell it .
Never, NEVER again Samsung.

Agree with everything that's been said here. I returned the s22 exynos and got my money back. I'm back to the s10e snapdragon version that works flawlessly with no lag, stable 60fps at games. The s22 is just a beautiful device but it doesn't work well at all, games suck hard playing on it at like 35-40 fps with lots of frame drops, and I dont think the updates are going to make any miracles with all this experimental hardware. A lot of stupid marketing on useless 4nanometres cpu that overheats and suffers from throttling. Are you kidding me?
I'm very happy with this s10e hongkong version, 3 years, updated to 4.0 and soon 4.1. After trying the s22 I found out that's not for what l had Samsung in mind due to my previous good user experience.
By the way: I debloated it as I know what to delete and what to keep not to lose any functionality. Battery wasn't as bad as other users, I was getting about 5-6h sot in 12-15h usage, but the phone lags bad in games and some menus. It has unforgivable issues as the desynchronized sound/video in youtube n other stuff for such a high price. Samsung ain't getting my money this time. Let's wait for pixel7- s22 Fe - Nothing Phone (1)
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ps: I believe it's a bad year regarding CPU. The 888 and 8gen1 are known for heating and eating more battery. So far the s21 series are better than the current s22, the pixel 6 series got some issues as well and yet another experimental CPU. One of the best choices is still the oneplus 8T? Come on. Wake up android market, some oldschool users are migrating to apple, which isn't on my plans personally.

Not that it's gonna change anything, but here's an update: the lag's worse than ever, audio playback will cut out randomly, media playback on the notification panel barely works. I still can't believe nobody outside this thread is talking about how despicable this phone is.

After the latest avda update with tons of debloating, the phone is running almost like a midrange phone.
I will keep it due to the size factor and cameras. But this is really unacceptable for the money asked.

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After the latest avda update with tons of debloating, the phone is running almost like a midrange phone.
I will keep it due to the size factor and cameras. But this is really unacceptable for the money asked.
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Same here. Way too late to return it, nor do I have the time to go through the whole find a phone set up a phone process anyway. I'm gonna try to keep it as pristine as possible until the S23 and/or the Pixel 7 is out and see if I can trade-in for a reasonable price.

for me, it might be the iphone 14 pro

I'm missing tons of notifications and alarms now. This phone just keeps getting worse.

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