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Hello,
Jolla SailfishOS seems interesting option as a mobile operating system, at least for a linux enthusiast like myself. During the last week news about interesting hardware adaptations have come to life. I had to try out the rom for the Nexus 7 (2012 grouper) available at the XDA Forums Nexus 7 discussions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-7/development/rom-sailfish-os-alpha-t2859817
I was surprised how well it worked! Yes there are bugs and things that didn´t work, but for a first alpha release it was quite good. I´m actually still using it although I will soon switch back to some android rom. Yesterday there were some early rumors about HTC Desire HD port not available yet: http://www.jollausers.com/2014/09/sailfish-os-ported-to-htc-desire-hd/
SailfishOS uses Cyanogenmod/Android for hardware drivers (libhybris) just like Ubuntu Touch.
Jolla has released a Sailfish OS Hardware Adaptation Development Kit Documentation giving quite detailed information how to build a version for different Android devices.
http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/07/jolla-guide-for-installing-sailfish-os.html
For hardware requirements a device with an ARMv7, supported by CyanogenMod 10.1.x is needed. I quess this should be ok. (Still memory, hardware keyboard support etc. are a question.)
But what do you think? Would you be interested to see this running on the HTC vision and are there anyone advanced enough interested to try porting this? I´m quite sure my own skills would not be enough to handle this task :silly:
tohtoris said:
Hello,
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But what do you think? Would you be interested to see this running on the HTC vision and are there anyone advanced enough interested to try porting this? I´m quite sure my own skills would not be enough to handle this task :silly:
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Hi,
see this: [Teaser][23-09-14][Guhl] Vision - Sailfish OS 1.0.8.19 [pre alpha]
Working on it.
Have fun - Guhl
Glad to see you around @guhl99
You always do such awesome work, I'll be sure to test when I can spare a few minuets!
demkantor said:
Glad to see you around @guhl99
You always do such awesome work, I'll be sure to test when I can spare a few minuets!
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Hi demkantor,
I never said that I will abandon the Vision and it's community, I only said that I will abandon Android
Have fun - Guhl
Hearing that I have faith the sailfish project will continue for some time to come! Bonus!
Hey all,
I was wondering, since the new Android L came out, how come no one is rushing to have it on our S3? Is there a version that exists already? And if not, who would like to work on this (maybe with me)?
Thank you in advance.
There is not a single device with Android L and the source code has not been released. There are two preview builds that are not final for the Nexus 5 and 7. You should check your facts with a few seconds of googling before starting a thread like this.
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There is not a single device with Android L and the source code has not been released. There are two preview builds that are not final for the Nexus 5 and 7. You should check your facts with a few seconds of googling before starting a thread like this.
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Google has released the SDK of the final Android 5.0 (L). Why would someone not be able to take the image file from there and make a port?
Porting a ROM is not as easy as it sounds.
I had Android L on my Nexus 4 for a while and didn't like the interface. Even after many revisions, it still is not perfect on the Nexus 4.
audit13 said:
Porting a ROM is not as easy as it sounds.
I had Android L on my Nexus 4 for a while and didn't like the interface. Even after many revisions, it still is not perfect on the Nexus 4.
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That's true, I agree. I read some guides here on XDA on how to port a ROM. I'd very much do it for my S3, but there are some things i am not sure about, like the kernels and the modems. Ill need to read up on it if I decide to do it myself.
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Google has released the SDK of the final Android 5.0 (L). Why would someone not be able to take the image file from there and make a port?
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The SDK is not an operating system. It is documentation on how to create apps that will run well and look nice on the operating system. The images for the nexus 5 and 7 could indeed be ported, but it would take a good chunk of time and be buggy (as interfacing with certain hardware probably would be broken). It would also make no sense to work on such a port project because Android L source code will likely be released in early November. Building Android L for the S3 from source code would be much more ideal, and will definitely be done once L's source code is released
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The SDK is not an operating system. It is documentation on how to create apps that will run well and look nice on the operating system. The images for the nexus 5 and 7 could indeed be ported, but it would take a good chunk of time and be buggy (as interfacing with certain hardware probably would be broken). It would also make no sense to work on such a port project because Android L source code will likely be released in early November. Building Android L for the S3 from source code would be much more ideal, and will definitely be done once L's source code is released
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Ah roger that, thank you for a well explained reply mate.
Cheers!
Do you know when we can expect a ROM based on Android O?
Can't say for sure. May never see an official release from Nextbit/Razer, but I'm sure custom rom devs will release it when it's ready.
davehasninjas said:
Can't say for sure. May never see an official release from Nextbit/Razer, but I'm sure custom rom devs will release it when it's ready.
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Didn't Nextbit or Razer hire the devs from Paranoid Android? If they are working on the Robin ROM, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say we'll get Oreo. However Razer announced a gaming phone a while ago, so there is no way to tell.
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Didn't Nextbit or Razer hire the devs from Paranoid Android? If they are working on the Robin ROM, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say we'll get Oreo. However Razer announced a gaming phone a while ago, so there is no way to tell.
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One of the Developer's for PA is also one of the 30 teams members of nextbit.
There are quite a few links like these which mention Lineage OS 15 (Oreo) supported devices and robin is one of them! I cant wait for the release!
http://www.lineageosdownloads.com/lineage-os-15-supported-device-list/
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There are quite a few links like these which mention Lineage OS 15 (Oreo) supported devices and robin is one of them! I cant wait for the release!
http://www.lineageosdownloads.com/lineage-os-15-supported-device-list/
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Except those are all fake. The LOS maintainers won't actually know if a device will support LOS 15 until they actually try porting it in the first place. As of now, they haven't tried for the Nextbit Robin yet, so we don't know if the Robin could actually get LOS 15 yet.
If you wanna keep tabs on what devices are currently being worked on, go to https://review.lineageos.org/#/q/statuspen and look for anything being commited to the lineageos-15.0 branch for android_device_nextbit_ether.
Software updates till February as they say on Twitter. Apart from nextbits cloud framework the OS is pretty much stock AOSP and it seems to me they're really good with releasing kernel source and providing updates almost every three months.
Robin, on N, is a mess. If it does eventually get O, it will be a while. We cannot upgrade it to O until we fix out the bugs we have on N first.
What are the bugs on N? I'm thinking about buying one. Is it worth it?
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What are the bugs on N? I'm thinking about buying one. Is it worth it?
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Camera, GPS, battery blah the list goes on. The kernels a mess because of bad sources. I wouldnt recommend it , it would be better getting a moto G device or similar at this stage.
DarkExistence said:
Camera, GPS, battery blah the list goes on. The kernels a mess because of bad sources. I wouldnt recommend it , it would be better getting a moto G device or similar at this stage.
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I have two devices, and I don't have troubles with it.
HeaDekBatHblu said:
I have two devices, and I don't have troubles with it.
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Doesn't make a difference, the code base is a mess. If your buying for a Dev device, dont. Even the top lineage Devs are struggling to make it as stable as it is (and it's not very stable, messy as hell!) As an every day device it's ok but there are better phones now a days in the price range, and support is basically dead for robin now.
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Doesn't make a difference, the code base is a mess. If your buying for a Dev device, dont. Even the top lineage Devs are struggling to make it as stable as it is (and it's not very stable, messy as hell!) As an every day device it's ok but there are better phones now a days in the price range, and support is basically dead for robin now.
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Development is not dead at all. Have you seen Gerrit for many of the ROMs??? The CarbonROM Dev already has pushes to Gerrit for O. Lineage still gets device specific changes. ParanoidAndroid has a private kernel source for ether so their working on it behind the scenes. AICP and many other ROMs use the Lineage kernel, so there aren't many differences to those that use that kernel. O development is still ongoing, and this device is still great for the price. The ROMs at the moment, are very stable in my opinion.
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Development is not dead at all. Have you seen Gerrit for many of the ROMs??? The CarbonROM Dev already has pushes to Gerrit for O. Lineage still gets device specific changes. ParanoidAndroid has a private kernel source for ether so their working on it behind the scenes. AICP and many other ROMs use the Lineage kernel, so there aren't many differences to those that use that kernel. O development is still ongoing, and this device is still great for the price. The ROMs at the moment, are very stable in my opinion.
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I know, I'm the AICP maintainer for ether lol... And discuss with the official lineage maintainers for ether daily ..
I meant official development, btw, meaning a lot of the bugs won't be fixed because we need official updates to be able to fix them.
O development for lineage ether hasn't even begun yet, N bugs need to be fixed before O begins, and that will take awhile.
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I know, I'm the AICP maintainer for ether lol... And discuss with the official lineage maintainers for ether daily ..
I meant official development, btw, meaning a lot of the bugs won't be fixed because we need official updates to be able to fix them.
O development for lineage ether hasn't even begun yet, N bugs need to be fixed before O begins, and that will take awhile.
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My apologies if I seemed aggressive. Official development seems to be like any other manufacturer, however, as we all know, software support is ending soon. I've been following Gerrit and have noticed the ongoing development by our developers (including you). IIRC camera was borked on one of the nightlies, but was immediately fixed. IMO, we are now depending on development from our ether devs rather than official support since Nextbit have been ghosting for the past few months.
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What are the bugs on N? I'm thinking about buying one. Is it worth it?
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Keep in mind what DarkExistence said, and realize the Robin's closest equivalent is a Nexus 5. If you can get better & newer hardware for a little more money, do so. I got mine as an "emergency" replacement when I was short on funds a few months ago. I lucked into an eBay sale & discount code which brought the phone to about 100.00. I'm happy with it, but I wish Razer would have made good sources available & gave full permission for them to be hosted elsewhere. So the devs didn't get so frustrated with what should be a decent phone to run custom ROMs on.
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So how us the Robin treating you. Did you root? ARE you using any ROMs
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What are the bugs on N? I'm thinking about buying one. Is it worth it?
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Yes, for $130 it's worth buying. The bugs on android N are not nearly as bad as what some claim them to be.
Here's as list of what I can recall:
1. Enhance colors distorts colors (so turn it off)
2. Screen static displays when unlocking phone for 1/10th of a second with some roms
3. You can hear The Speakers turn off after sound has stopped playing if You listen closely
4. Headphones with a mic sometimes cut out and play through internal Speakers although there is as work around for this
5. Audio fx does not work
Other than any of those there is not much i can personally complain about and I own 2 robins. About to get a moto g4 plus because it's time for something that has a larger XDA fourm and something that has been confirmed to get android O (wich nextbit has yet to announce a decision to besides "we have been discussing it").
If I were You and my budget was under $200 i'd get The robin.
If You can spend $225 get The g4 plus without a doubt. Hope this helps
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So how us the Robin treating you. Did you root? ARE you using any ROMs
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I like it, especially for the price. Currently using CarbonROM rooted with Magisk. Just realize you're getting a phone with zero support from the manufacturer, so don't spend more than you're willing to lose.
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DarkExistence said:
I know, I'm the AICP maintainer for ether lol... And discuss with the official lineage maintainers for ether daily ..
I meant official development, btw, meaning a lot of the bugs won't be fixed because we need official updates to be able to fix them.
O development for lineage ether hasn't even begun yet, N bugs need to be fixed before O begins, and that will take awhile.
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Well thank you for being the maintainer on Ether. I just ordered the phone. 129.00 for a phone with these specs. Couldn't pass it up. I'm sure you will eventually make AICP stable. Thank you for your honesty.
Hello everyone,
I've read on XDA Portal an article about Project Treble porting for a Xiaomi device.
Basing on this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...pment/research-project-treble-ported-t3744602 I've learned that this porting is possible and some developers are already in it for Xiaomi devices and OP5/5T. Is there someone who could be able to do this? I don't have any type of knowledge about it but I offer myself as tester whenever it would be useful. I'm asking for OP3 developers if they think it could be possible for them too.
edoardotavecchio said:
Hello everyone,
I've read on XDA Portal an article about Project Treble porting for a Xiaomi device.
Basing on this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...pment/research-project-treble-ported-t3744602 I've learned that this porting is possible and some developers are already in it for Xiaomi devices and OP5/5T. Is there someone who could be able to do this? I don't have any type of knowledge about it but I offer myself as tester whenever it would be useful. I'm asking for OP3 developers if they think it could be possible for them too.
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Good thing is that a physical /vendor partition isn't mandatory anymore, check this post for reference:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...plus-nokia-wont-project-t3715679/post74800565
Also it seems like the official lineageOS maintainer of op3(t) knows more than we do, seems official "treble support" is coming, let's hope the best:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...ageos-15-1-oneplus-3-3t-t3739169/post75552636
and
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...ageos-15-1-oneplus-3-3t-t3739169/post75553076
I personally have a strong feeling that either way, official or unofficial, project treble will be reality for oneplus devices, maybe oneplus surprises us with a "treble goodies" when OOS based on android 8.1 finally drops...
Sam Nakamura said:
Good thing is that a physical /vendor partition isn't mandatory anymore, check this post for reference:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...plus-nokia-wont-project-t3715679/post74800565
Also it seems like the official lineageOS maintainer of op3(t) knows more than we do, seems official "treble support" is coming, let's hope the best:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...ageos-15-1-oneplus-3-3t-t3739169/post75552636
and
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...ageos-15-1-oneplus-3-3t-t3739169/post75553076
I personally have a strong feeling that either way, official or unofficial, project treble will be reality for oneplus devices, maybe oneplus surprises us with a "treble goodies" when OOS based on android 8.1 finally drops...
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I don't think OnePlus will ever port Treble but I'm really cofident in our developer's skills. Thanks for sharing you informations.
edoardotavecchio said:
I don't think OnePlus will ever port Treble but I'm really cofident in our developer's skills. Thanks for sharing you informations.
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Yeah, I'm also not really confident but at least they evaluate the possibility of implementing "project treble", seeing quite some other OEMs stepping forward (most surprisingly Huawei) is a good sign and puts some healthy pressure by competition on them, in addition the "feared" re-partitioning is kind of obsolete which was the strongest argument against it, let's hope they come up with something, having the 5t not in the "treble - gang" from the get go (that's why they released it as a nougat device) was the deciding factor for me to not buy it, that however shouldn't impress them as they sold more devices than ever in the recent past, they no longer depend on the "core users"...
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Sam Nakamura said:
Good thing is that a physical /vendor partition isn't mandatory anymore, check this post for reference:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...plus-nokia-wont-project-t3715679/post74800565
Also it seems like the official lineageOS maintainer of op3(t) knows more than we do, seems official "treble support" is coming, let's hope the best:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...ageos-15-1-oneplus-3-3t-t3739169/post75552636
and
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...ageos-15-1-oneplus-3-3t-t3739169/post75553076
I personally have a strong feeling that either way, official or unofficial, project treble will be reality for oneplus devices, maybe oneplus surprises us with a "treble goodies" when OOS based on android 8.1 finally drops...
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If it does or it doesn't it won't matter to custom rom devs. Treble was so the oem didn't have to rework their stuff. Aosp based roms change the code at the base.
zelendel said:
If it does or it doesn't it won't matter to custom rom devs.
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Following this idea it could matter big time,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...experimental-phh-treble-t3709659/post75624932
zelendel said:
Treble was so the oem didn't have to rework their stuff.
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Of course it was done for OEMs, or better to reduce their difficulties to keep devices up-to-date, to solve a problem as old as Android itself, this however doesn't mean we couldn't use it for another purpose - first developments showed that quite some devices are able to boot GSI, be it native "treble support" or "treble support through modification"...
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Aosp based roms change the code at the base.
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That's the good thing to my understanding, whenever "big G" drops AOSP sources (i.e. upgrade to android P) every "treble supported" devices should be able to boot the "generic system image" (GSI) as required by Google's CTS...
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Sam Nakamura said:
Following this idea it could matter big time,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...experimental-phh-treble-t3709659/post75624932
Of course it was done for OEMs, or better to reduce their difficulties to keep devices up-to-date, to solve a problem as old as Android itself, this however doesn't mean we couldn't use it for another purpose - first developments showed that quite some devices are able to boot GSI, be it native "treble support" or "treble support through modification"...
That's the good thing to my understanding, whenever "big G" drops AOSP sources (i.e. upgrade to android P) every "treble supported" devices should be able to boot the "generic system image" (GSI) as required by Google's CTS...
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I dont see roms adding this to their code base. That requires waiting on someone else.
Here is the problem with a GSI and custom roms. To many device dependent changes made to the aosp base. Roms are not gonna stop making these tweaks for the sake of treble.
Ok Big G drops AOSP source. The process is still the same. The rom devs have to take it, rip it apart, start by fixing what google messed up (a yearly task), then add in their own features. Just look at the work it has taken to get aosp to even work right on a device that "supports" treble.
Im not saying that this will never be a thing. Just many outside of the hype pool dont think it will effect 3rd party devs very much. Time will tell.
Maybe this can help you
https://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5-oneplus-5t-project-treble/
@dianlujitao
look here -> https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...opment/discussion-guide-oneplus-5-5t-t3776358
we need all fully binderized HALs to enable Trebble.
Treble support (unofficially if no official support is coming) would be nice to see on the 3/3T now that Android P Beta runs on treble supported devices. OP5/T has unofficial treble support already
Sam Nakamura said:
Good thing is that a physical /vendor partition isn't mandatory anymore, check this post for reference:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...plus-nokia-wont-project-t3715679/post74800565
Also it seems like the official lineageOS maintainer of op3(t) knows more than we do, seems official "treble support" is coming, let's hope the best:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...ageos-15-1-oneplus-3-3t-t3739169/post75552636
and
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...ageos-15-1-oneplus-3-3t-t3739169/post75553076
I personally have a strong feeling that either way, official or unofficial, project treble will be reality for oneplus devices, maybe oneplus surprises us with a "treble goodies" when OOS based on android 8.1 finally drops...
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Just bought a 3t couple weeks ago from a friend... Really hope that treble will come . Went from Opo to nexus 5x now using 3t
Edit - with treble possibly coming to 3/3t, do you think oxygenos port will be possible? So if OnePlus 5 gets android P could that be ported to the 3/3t users
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Is there any chance of this happening?
Akshat2100 said:
Is there any chance of this happening?
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Sadly the way things are looking it won't be happening...
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Don't know if it's fake or not but sure would be exciting.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...fficial-coming-to-op3-t-t3822982/post77228786
michie said:
Don't know if it's fake or not but sure would be exciting.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...fficial-coming-to-op3-t-t3822982/post77228786
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Fake? Did you even try to check resources?
Oneplus won't bring treble to OP3 since P will be final update. Shouldn't make any sense
superiscch said:
Fake? Did you even try to check resources?
Oneplus won't bring treble to OP3 since P will be final update. Shouldn't make any sense
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I tried to find the source but cant.
Oneplus doesnt need to bring treble to OP3 as developers can easily create a vendor partition. The required blobs and high chance on a brick by resizing the partitions are another story though....
I think it just got ported
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...eble-lineageos-15-1-treble-oneplus-3-t3830455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4tE4Cg5cZE
https://hastebin.com/udexiqetob.sql
alesimula said:
I think it just got ported
https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...eble-lineageos-15-1-treble-oneplus-3-t3830455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4tE4Cg5cZE
https://hastebin.com/udexiqetob.sql
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Doesnt mean much as it is not fully functional. Treble is not all that impressive and is not what people were lead to believe. Let alone on one of the worst roms on the site it is not a surprise that things are not working.
As it is initial, there will b fixes for it in future.
Hey everyone,
I've been wondering, how hard would it to bring a port of LineageOS over to the Pixel 2 XL? I've had some extra time, but I haven't worked too much on porting an OS over to android, especially one that is an unsupported tree directly from LineageOS themselves. Is there any thing that I can go off to try to pull this off? I have some pretty good expertise, but I wanted to hear from other members if this should even be sought after? I'm not sure if I would be the only one to benefit from it or if there would be other members as well. I've noticed that the LineageOS ports so far were for the regular model and not Taiman. I wanted to help change that.
So, does anyone want to share some knowledge? Let's work together and try to make sure that people still have an enjoyable phone that has multiple options for an OS, even if it did come out a while back.
zook said:
Hey everyone,
I've been wondering, how hard would it to bring a port of LineageOS over to the Pixel 2 XL? I've had some extra time, but I haven't worked too much on porting an OS over to android, especially one that is an unsupported tree directly from LineageOS themselves. Is there any thing that I can go off to try to pull this off? I have some pretty good expertise, but I wanted to hear from other members if this should even be sought after? I'm not sure if I would be the only one to benefit from it or if there would be other members as well. I've noticed that the LineageOS ports so far were for the regular model and not Taiman. I wanted to help change that.
So, does anyone want to share some knowledge? Let's work together and try to make sure that people still have an enjoyable phone that has multiple options for an OS, even if it did come out a while back.
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Has been ported before
zook said:
Hey everyone,
I've been wondering, how hard would it to bring a port of LineageOS over to the Pixel 2 XL? I've had some extra time, but I haven't worked too much on porting an OS over to android, especially one that is an unsupported tree directly from LineageOS themselves. Is there any thing that I can go off to try to pull this off? I have some pretty good expertise, but I wanted to hear from other members if this should even be sought after? I'm not sure if I would be the only one to benefit from it or if there would be other members as well. I've noticed that the LineageOS ports so far were for the regular model and not Taiman. I wanted to help change that.
So, does anyone want to share some knowledge? Let's work together and try to make sure that people still have an enjoyable phone that has multiple options for an OS, even if it did come out a while back.
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There's a guy named calsurferpunk here who's making unofficial builds of los16 in his spare time. It's in the ROM section.