Jude a heads up as I didn't see anyone chatting about it yet.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-v30...unlocked-cloud-silver/6138907.p?skuId=6138907
Anyone know if B&H will price match this?. I ordered last night to take advantage of the $400 off offer.
Well, you can try...
But with B&H Photo, I paid no tax (because I live outside New York/New Jersey) and I got free shipping. Here in Georgia with at least 6% state sales tax, that "$800" Best Buy LG V30 is REALLY going to be about $848. (Some localities tack on even more tax, in addition to state tax.)
The B&H Photo price is still better than Best Buy, unless you live in New York/New Jersey and have to pay their local tax anyways.
Interesting now the other authorized retailers are releasing the phone! Amazon should be next.
Also waiting for the LG V30+ unlocked. Still have to buy that second LG device, and it's going to be V30+.
ChazzMatt said:
Well, you can try...
But with B&H Photo, I paid no tax (because I live outside New York/New Jersey) and I got free shipping. Here in Georgia with at least 6% state sales tax, that "$800" Best Buy LG V30 is REALLY going to be about $848. (Some localities tack on even more tax, in addition to state tax.)
The B&H Photo price is still better than Best Buy, unless you live in New York/New Jersey and have to pay their local tax anyways.
Interesting now the other authorized retailers are releasing the phone! Amazon should be next.
Also waiting for the LG V30+ unlocked. Still have to buy that second LG device, and it's going to be V30+.
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No disagreement here, I'll be keeping the B&H order, but if they'll price match.... *twirls mustache*
Also, don't forget reward zone points and some may have reward certificates burning a hole in their pocket to reduce the cost further.
Do we have confirmation of an unlocked V30+ ?? I'd like one, but then the only difference is the extra 64GB of storage yes? I guess I'm okay with using SD cards depending on the price.
teknomedic said:
No disagreement here, I'll be keeping the B&H order, but if they'll price match.... *twirls mustache*
Also, don't forget reward zone points and some may have reward certificates burning a hole in their pocket to reduce the cost further.
Do we have confirmation of an unlocked V30+ ?? I'd like one, but then the only difference is the extra 64GB of storage yes? I guess I'm okay with using SD cards depending on the price.
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On the LG website, for the unlocked US998 there was a "coming soon" along with retailers like Best Buy, Amazon. There were both V30 and V30+ listed, and they were greyed out. Now, I bet if we found that page again, the V30 would no longer be greyed out for Best Buy.
B&H Photo was listed under "preorder" category, and both V30 and V30+ were listed, but the V30+ was greyed out, while the V30 was active.
So, strong implication the V30+ is coming.
ChazzMatt said:
On the LG website, for the unlocked US998 there was a "coming soon" along with retailers like Best Buy, Amazon. There were both V30 and V30+ listed, and they were greyed out. Now, I bet if we found that page again, the V30 would no longer be greyed out for Best Buy.
B&H Photo was listed under "preorder" category, and both V30 and V30+ were listed, but the V30+ was greyed out, while the V30 was active.
So, strong implication the V30+ is coming.
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Sound reasoning, I wasn't aware of that. Hmmm... if not for the $400 off deal I'd have waited. Guess I'll have to talk the wife into the V30 so I can have the V30+ ha
teknomedic said:
Do we have confirmation of an unlocked V30+ ?? I'd like one, but then the only difference is the extra 64GB of storage yes? I guess I'm okay with using SD cards depending on the price.
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Here ya go, straight from LG:
LG V30+™ | Unlocked
US998U Unlocked
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US998U-Unlocked-v30-plus
Sellers for this product coming soon.
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Whereas the same category link for the LG V30 is here:
https://www.lg.com/us/products/wtb?modelId=MD05904576
And still only shows B&H Photo as the only authorized retailer at this moment, even though I know the Best Buy link you posted is live.
Just as I suspected, I do not see anywhere on any official documentation where the unlocked lgv30 Plus will be compatible with T-Mobile's new band 71 600 megahertz Spectrum.... the below comes straight from the LG website...
Connectivity
4G LTE Network* Yes
Technology CDMA, WCDMA, GSM, UMTS, LTE
Network CDMA, GSM, LTE (Multi-Band/Multi-Mode)
1.9 GHz CDMA PCS 800 MHz CDMA
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS 850/900/1900/2100 MHz
AWS; LTE Bands 1/2/3/4/5/7/12/13/20/25/66
Data Transmission EVDO, EVDO Rev A, 1xRTT, LTE, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, GSM, HSPA+, HSPA
Wi-Fi® Hotspot** Share a 4G LTE data connection with up to 8 wireless devices***
Bluetooth® Wireless Technology Version 5.0
Supported Bluetooth Profiles A2DP, AVRCP, DI, GATT, GAVDP, HDP, HFP, HID, HSP, MAP, OPP, PAN, PBAP, SPP, HOGP
Wi-Fi Direct® Connect directly to devices via Wi-Fi
Wi-Fi Standards 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac
USB**** and Bluetooth Tethering** Share your phone’s Internet connection with your computer
Android Beam share contacts, web pages, and more
Media Sync Allow nearby devices to access content via DLNA®
SmartShare Beam Wirelessly receive multimedia content
Screen Sharing (Miracast® ) Wirelessly mirror device screen on a compatible display
HD Voice***** Capable Yes
MIDI Device Connect to musical instruments via USB****
MirrorLink®**** Connect to a MirrorLink-capable car to share your screen and apps
S-GPS, A-GPS, and Qualcomm® Service for Enhanced Location Accuracy Yes
UPC 652810819879
* 4G LTE network not available everywhere.
** Carrier service required. Product features subject to change. Features based on carrier program availability. Additional charges may apply.
*** Depends on network availability. Additional carrier charges may apply.
**** USB cable required (included).
***** HD Voice required on both caller and receiver devices
igotroot said:
Just as I suspected, I do not see anywhere on any official documentation where the unlocked lgv30 Plus will be compatible with T-Mobile's new band 71 600 megahertz Spectrum.... the below comes straight from the LG website...
Connectivity
4G LTE Network*Yes
TechnologyCDMA, WCDMA, GSM, UMTS, LTE
NetworkCDMA, GSM, LTE (Multi-Band/Multi-Mode)
1.9 GHz CDMA PCS800 MHz CDMA
GSM850/900/1800/1900 MHz
UMTS850/900/1900/2100 MHz
AWS; LTE Bands1/2/3/4/5/7/12/13/20/25/66
Data TransmissionEVDO, EVDO Rev A, 1xRTT, LTE, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, GSM, HSPA+, HSPA
Wi-Fi® Hotspot**Share a 4G LTE data connection with up to 8 wireless devices***
Bluetooth® Wireless TechnologyVersion 5.0
Supported Bluetooth ProfilesA2DP, AVRCP, DI, GATT, GAVDP, HDP, HFP, HID, HSP, MAP, OPP, PAN, PBAP, SPP, HOGP
Wi-Fi Direct®Connect directly to devices via Wi-Fi
Wi-Fi Standards802.11 a/b/g/n/ac
USB**** and Bluetooth Tethering**Share your phone’s Internet connection with your computer
Android Beamshare contacts, web pages, and more
Media SyncAllow nearby devices to access content via DLNA®
SmartShare BeamWirelessly receive multimedia content
Screen Sharing (Miracast® )Wirelessly mirror device screen on a compatible display
HD Voice***** CapableYes
MIDI DeviceConnect to musical instruments via USB****
MirrorLink®****Connect to a MirrorLink-capable car to share your screen and apps
S-GPS, A-GPS, and Qualcomm® Service for Enhanced Location AccuracyYes
UPC652810819879
*4G LTE network not available everywhere.
**Carrier service required. Product features subject to change. Features based on carrier program availability. Additional charges may apply.
***Depends on network availability. Additional carrier charges may apply.
****USB cable required (included).
*****HD Voice required on both caller and receiver devices
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Already been answered many, many times in many, many threads.
There's a T-MOBILE network hidden menu in the US998 that requires root for access.
With root, you may possibly enable it from there, or with root you can (possibly) flash the T-Mobile radio.
Here, go read this. I just answered identical question last night and provided screenshot.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=74717874
Understood. You would think LG would make that band available for foreigners who travel to the United States and Roam on TMO. Go figure.
For use on AT&T, i don't see bands 29 and 30 on the phone, which have been somewhat recently put into service in certain areas. Also, with the unlocked, non-carrier phones, I'm not sure you'll get wifi calling, VoLTE, and IIRC HD voice (or maybe it was HD recording...sorry). Just something to keep in mind.
@Buckwheat6, your sent me a PM question about the Best Buy unlocked LG V30, but you don't accept PMs? So, I have to answer here...
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It's compatible with Verizon, but you'll need to stick on an already activated SIM card. Verizon won't activate a non-Verizon branded phone.
Sprint and their brands won't take non-Sprint, non-Virgin phones at all, to my knowledge. You can't "Bring Your Own Phone" to Sprint.
With Verizon, you can, but you need to have an already activated SIM card to stick on, from another Verizon phone.
It's just safer for Best Buy to say it's not compatible, then to try to explain all that.
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@Buckwheat6, your sent me a PM question about the Best Buy unlocked LG V30, but you don't accept PMs? So, I have to answer here...
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It's compatible with Verizon, but you'll need to stick on an already activated SIM card. Verizon won't activate a non-Verizon branded phone.
Sprint and their brands won't take non-Sprint, non-Virgin phones at all, to my knowledge. You can't "Bring Your Own Phone" to Sprint.
With Verizon, you can, but you need to have an already activated SIM card to stick on, from another Verizon phone.
It's just safer for Best Buy to say it's not compatible, then to try to explain all that.
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(sorry about the PM thing -- I'll check that out shortly.)...
When I went from The Note 4 (Verizon-branded) to the Motorola Moto X Pure (unlocked, purchased at -- you guessed it -- Best Buy), I needed a Nano SIM card. I just walked into my local Verizon store, asked for a new SIM card, and they popped it in for me and activated it no charge (I was shocked it was THAT easy, despite the fact that others on the Motorola forums had quoted similar success .) That was only last year (June 2016) so hopefully their policy hasn't changed.
Thanks again for the help!
Buckwheat6 said:
(sorry about the PM thing -- I'll check that out shortly.)...
When I went from The Note 4 (Verizon-branded) to the Motorola Moto X Pure (unlocked, purchased at -- you guessed it -- Best Buy), I needed a Nano SIM card. I just walked into my local Verizon store, asked for a new SIM card, and they popped it in for me and activated it no charge (I was shocked it was THAT easy, despite the fact that others on the Motorola forums had quoted similar success .) That was only last year (June 2016) so hopefully their policy hasn't changed.
Thanks again for the help!
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OK, good luck then. I've just heard from others about Verizon control freak behavior on non-Verizon branded phones like the ZTE AXON 7, which was also just last year, in 2016. You had to stick in an already activated SIM card.
So, if that policy has changed, then I don't know why Best Buy says it's incompatible with Verizon. That's totally wrong information. That's probably just their stock boilerplate wording for any "unlocked" phones they sell -- many of which don't have CDMA.
andygold said:
For use on AT&T, i don't see bands 29 and 30 on the phone, which have been somewhat recently put into service in certain areas. Also, with the unlocked, non-carrier phones, I'm not sure you'll get wifi calling, VoLTE, and IIRC HD voice (or maybe it was HD recording...sorry). Just something to keep in mind.
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I will be interesting if these bands can be enabled or if the AT&T modem could be easily flashed. Pretty disappointing a flagship might not have full LTE support for a major carrier.
N4cr2k said:
I will be interesting if these bands can be enabled or if the AT&T modem could be easily flashed. Pretty disappointing a flagship might not have full LTE support for a major carrier.
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Almost any bands can be enabled in the hidden menu.
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andygold said:
For use on AT&T, i don't see bands 29 and 30 on the phone, which have been somewhat recently put into service in certain areas. Also, with the unlocked, non-carrier phones, I'm not sure you'll get wifi calling, VoLTE, and IIRC HD voice (or maybe it was HD recording...sorry). Just something to keep in mind.
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See above. Doesn't even need root. People already did it on the Canadian version and others -- adding bands via the hidden menu.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74506190&postcount=5
The only thing we can't yet enable without root is LTE BAND 71.
People got VoLTE on open market (carrier unlocked) version of LG G6. I see no difference with the LG V30.
ChazzMatt said:
People got VoLTE on open market (carrier unlocked) version of LG G6. I see no difference with the LG V30.
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Does this also include WiFi Calling on AT&T?
Also, when I look at the linked thread above in regards to unlocking bands, the image shown for the bands does not include bands 29 and 30. The list seems to stop with band 25 being the highest on the list. Now maybe it's possible that more bands are listed in that photo, but they are at the bottom of the list, off-screen...but I don't know.
andygold said:
Does this also include WiFi Calling on AT&T?
Also, when I look at the linked thread above in regards to unlocking bands, the image shown for the bands does not include bands 29 and 30. The list seems to stop with band 25 being the highest on the list. Now maybe it's possible that more bands are listed in that photo, but they are at the bottom of the list, off-screen...but I don't know.
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There's a another screenshot from another user showing more bands. That was just the first page, to show the idea. Just because the first screenshot stopped with 25 doesn't mean that's all there is.
Can't find the screenshot right now but found this.
portcqb said:
In the band selection menu on the T-mobile version and on the box it shows 1,2,3,4,5,7,8,12,13,17,20,25,28,29,30,38,39,40,41,46,66,71
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uzupan said:
I just stop by the T Mobile store, all the bands mentioned were in the hidden menu but they were not all listed on the box
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This is for the U.S. T-mobile, yes -- but all those bands are NOT listed on the U.S. T-mobile spec website, but can be enabled in the Hidden Menu. We know "71" is not listed visibly in the hidden menu for the unlocked US998 -- but ALL the others probably are. Point is, ignore the listed bands. You can enable what you want.
EDIT: FOUND IT.
Thanks to @Septembersrain
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74475386&postcount=4
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as an fyi... B&H price matched BB for me. very nice of them.
teknomedic said:
as an fyi... B&H price matched BB for me. very nice of them.
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This is awesome. How did you get the match? Before or after you purchased? Did you call or email?
I just ordered from B&H tonight!
johninsf said:
This is awesome. How did you get the match? Before or after you purchased? Did you call or email?
I just ordered from B&H tonight!
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I first bought from B&H, then noticed BB was $20 cheaper so I emailed B&H customer service and asked nicely about a price match of $20. After a couple days I received no direct reply from B&H CS, but I did receive an automatic email saying they were processing a $20 refund. Thank you B&H.
It should be noted I did this when BB had stock though and I've noticed they're now sold out at BB... So this could change future decisions for others.
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Well I'm making this thread to see what model of HTC One you guys plan on picking up. The Developers Edition is $649 and will ship today (March 25th, 2013 at 10am PST), whereas according to one article the Google Play Edition is $699 and will be available for pre-order sometime today (presumably at the same 10am PST).
That pricing means the new GPE is $100 more than the last one, whereas the Dev edition is the same price. These models will most likely both be 32GB, and have the same cellular bands. Considering that last years Dev and GPE Ones were only fully usable on AT&T, it's quite possible that this may be the case again (however unfortunate this is, to me this is no problem as I use AT&T ). Personally, I'm leaning towards the Dev edition simply because I think the new sense looks nice and they always did multitasking a little better than stock. Oh, and it's available today .
I'd be really interested to know what the pros over here are vouching for and why, so let us know!
SolarTrans said:
Well I'm making this thread to see what model of HTC One you guys plan on picking up. The Developers Edition is $649 and will ship today (March 25th, 2013 at 10am PST), whereas according to one article the Google Play Edition is $699 and will be available for pre-order sometime today (presumably at the same 10am PST).
That pricing means the new GPE is $100 more than the last one, whereas the Dev edition is the same price. These models will most likely both be 32GB, and have the same cellular bands. Considering that last years Dev and GPE Ones were only fully usable on AT&T, it's quite possible that this may be the case again (however unfortunate this is, to me this is no problem as I use AT&T ). Personally, I'm leaning towards the Dev edition simply because I think the new sense looks nice and they always did multitasking a little better than stock. Oh, and it's available today .
I'd be really interested to know what the pros over here are vouching for and why, so let us know!
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Hopefully it has AWS compatibility
kirdroid said:
Hopefully it has AWS compatibility
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Yeah that would put it in so many more people's hands!
I would choose the dev edition over the GPE edition since I am not a huge fan of pure android since it's really too simple. Sense is the best between the two. I like TW since it has all the features, but HTC is slowly catching up. Both have unlocked bootloaders anyways.
kirdroid said:
Hopefully it has AWS compatibility
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Well, the GPe says it has AWS on HSPA, but the Developer Edition makes no mention of it. Please, oh please HTC, don't screw this up again. I used my HTC One Developer Edition on T-Mobile last year and it really ruined the experience for me when I saw that "Edge" notification
Let's hope the hardware is the same for GPe and Developer Edition. I'm going to order one now.
-Collin-
I'm would like to go for the GPE, but does anyone know for sure that the GPE version will support T Mobile 4G LTE? I'm not sure if I'm looking at the specs of the phone on the Google Play site correctly when comparing them to the various bands that T Mobile uses.
(I'm jumping ship from Sprint after many, many years, so I'm not fully up on the GSM stuff...)
CollinFX45 said:
Well, the GPe says it has AWS on HSPA, but the Developer Edition makes no mention of it. Please, oh please HTC, don't screw this up again. I used my HTC One Developer Edition on T-Mobile last year and it really ruined the experience for me when I saw that "Edge" notification
Let's hope the hardware is the same for GPe and Developer Edition. I'm going to order one now.
-Collin-
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It's odd that it doesn't list AWS on 3G
Unlocked GSM/UMTS/HSPA+/LTE
GSM/GPRS/EDGE quad-band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA/UMTS quad-band 850/AWS/1900/2100 MHz
3G (850, 1900, 2100 MHz)
HSDPA 21, HSUPA 5.76
4G LTE (700 MHz, AWS)
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Looks like the AT&T model (with 21 Mbps HSDPA) but with HSPA AWS enabled.
Over at Android Police they have a different spec set for the GPE:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900
WCDMA: 850/AWS/1900/2100 with HSPA+ up to 21Mbps
LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 (B17/B5//B4/B2, carrier aggregation B4+17;B2+17), + Roaming 2600/1800 (B7/B3)
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If they're to be believed, the 700 Mhz in the GPE is for AT&T (17) and will not support T-Mobile's newly acquired spectrum (12).
The T-Mobile version has HSDPA 42:
Tmus: 850/AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Tmus: 700/AWS MHz
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And I would assume the 700 Mhz in this would be Band 12.
Again, HTC screws over T-Mobile users, but, not as bad as with the M7.
Edit: Had a little chat with HTC Support about the Dev edition, and according to Frank, the Dev version has these frequencies:
GSM /GPRS /EDGE : 850/900/1800/1900 MHz WCDMA: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz CDMA: 800/1900 MHz (BC0/BC1) LTE: 700/AWS/1800/2600MHz
Meaning yes for Sprint and AT&T, but no for T-Mobile.
nviz22 said:
I would choose the dev edition over the GPE edition since I am not a huge fan of pure android since it's really too simple. Sense is the best between the two. I like TW since it has all the features, but HTC is slowly catching up. Both have unlocked bootloaders anyways.
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^This. I agree that there really isn't much to stock Android. With sense you get the tap on/off features this time around, and those are really nice from what I've heard. I ordered my dev edition with 2 day shipping and can't wait!
kirdroid said:
Hopefully it has AWS compatibility
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havanahjoe said:
It's odd that it doesn't list AWS on 3G
Looks like the AT&T model (with 21 Mbps HSDPA) but with HSPA AWS enabled.
Over at Android Police they have a different spec set for the GPE:
If they're to be believed, the 700 Mhz in the GPE is for AT&T (17) and will not support T-Mobile's newly acquired spectrum (12).
The T-Mobile version has HSDPA 42:
And I would assume the 700 Mhz in this would be Band 12.
Again, HTC screws over T-Mobile users, but, not as bad as with the M7.
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Guys, I take whatever CS reps say with a grain of salt, but I just called "Let's Talk" and asked how to get the "Free Express Shipping" listed on the HTC page. The kind (sarcasm) rep informed me that he didn't know, nor did he know exactly when it would ship. His best guess was April 3rd, which is pretty random.
I'm curious if you all get shipping confirmations today. He was 100% certain the phone wouldn't ship today because they're not "allowed to order it from HTC until tomorrow."
Again, take it with a grain of salt, but that was what I was told after calling. I've decided to sit tight on my order until I A) know when it's going to ship and B) it has T-Mobile's AWS 3G band. Good point about the 700mhz being Band 12 instead of Band 17...that makes the phone somewhat useless for AT&T, which sometimes I have to use when I am getting crummy T-Mobile service at work. Argh!
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CollinFX45 said:
Guys, I take whatever CS reps say with a grain of salt, but I just called "Let's Talk" and asked how to get the "Free Express Shipping" listed on the HTC page. The kind (sarcasm) rep informed me that he didn't know, nor did he know exactly when it would ship. His best guess was April 3rd, which is pretty random.
I'm curious if you all get shipping confirmations today. He was 100% certain the phone wouldn't ship today because they're not "allowed to order it from HTC until tomorrow."
Again, take it with a grain of salt, but that was what I was told after calling. I've decided to sit tight on my order until I A) know when it's going to ship and B) it has T-Mobile's AWS 3G band. Good point about the 700mhz being Band 12 instead of Band 17...that makes the phone somewhat useless for AT&T, which sometimes I have to use when I am getting crummy T-Mobile service at work. Argh!
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Of course, that chat with HTC comes with a heaping cupfull of salt. I wouldn't be surprised though, it would match what they did with the M7.
The GPe does have Band 17, it doesn't have 12. So the GPe edition is 100% compatible with AT&T.
Google's website sure says there's T-Mobile compatibility... AWS band could be why it's $50 more lol. But really, no one should have to use Edge these days on a flagship.
Ordered my Dev Edition earlier. I called because I wanted to ship it to my office. She mentioned that they will only ship to my billing address. She also mentioned that they will not ship until 4/3. Also, they will need to call you to verify the order as well (Since I called in, they did this all at the same time.) As mentioned in a previous reply, this is exactly what happened last year for the HTC One M7 Dev Edition as well.
EvoKnvl said:
Ordered my Dev Edition earlier. I called because I wanted to ship it to my office. She mentioned that they will only ship to my billing address. She also mentioned that they will not ship until 4/3. Also, they will need to call you to verify the order as well (Since I called in, they did this all at the same time.) As mentioned in a previous reply, this is exactly what happened last year for the HTC One M7 Dev Edition as well.
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I called as well, to verify and change to overnight shipping. She said that someone accidentally made the Developer's Edition available to purchase today when it's supposed to be available at midnight tonight. Also, she said that because I'm under 18, she had to cancel the order and have me try again with an adult's card after midnight tonight. This was after I was put on hold for 30 minutes. With the M7 Dev Edition it said I needed to call, but it actually shipped with me not doing anything. I am pretty mad about this customer service, and if the device won't ship until 4/3 (which I was not told), I don't know if I'll buy one at all.
Would HTC really exclude AWS band from the Developer Edition? What's the advantage to that? I feel like it'd only anger customers. Makes no sense
CollinFX45 said:
Guys, I take whatever CS reps say with a grain of salt, but I just called "Let's Talk" and asked how to get the "Free Express Shipping" listed on the HTC page. The kind (sarcasm) rep informed me that he didn't know, nor did he know exactly when it would ship. His best guess was April 3rd, which is pretty random.
I'm curious if you all get shipping confirmations today. He was 100% certain the phone wouldn't ship today because they're not "allowed to order it from HTC until tomorrow."
Again, take it with a grain of salt, but that was what I was told after calling. I've decided to sit tight on my order until I A) know when it's going to ship and B) it has T-Mobile's AWS 3G band. Good point about the 700mhz being Band 12 instead of Band 17...that makes the phone somewhat useless for AT&T, which sometimes I have to use when I am getting crummy T-Mobile service at work. Argh!
-Collin-
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How's your Nokia Lumia 1520.3 holding up? You fixed the tether?
Here's a conversation I had with an HTC representative online. Hopefully it means the developer edition will run fine on T-Mobile
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Have they said if Developer or Google Play Edition is coming to the UK? Can't find any details yet.
I'm probably missing something really simple, but where do we order the developer edition from. When I click on the buy link on the U.S. HTC website it only gives me options for the carrier orders.
bormasina said:
How's your Nokia Lumia 1520.3 holding up? You fixed the tether?
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It's fantastic! I use it as my weekend phone and yes, tether was resolved with the Spanish keyboard "hack."
Is your user ID the same on WP Central?
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Couldn't resist waiting for stupid TMobile to release their version, just pre-ordered the Google play edition.
Say 2 - 3 weeks for delivery but I think they will start shipping earlier than that hopefully next week.
If i get some solid confirmation that the developer edition has AWS band, then I may cancel the google play one and order the developer edition when it goes live later.
Because I hate the idea of having a neutered AT&T Note 5, I bought an international variant (N920i). It appears the LTE bands are all compatible between the two. I will let everyone know how it turns out. If you already have experience with this, let me know.
EDIT: Yes, N920i works without any modification on AT&T
When does it arrive?
Thats very interesting.
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First half of this week hopefully!
Please keep us posted.
@alaskajoel Le us know if you have any signal issues.
The T Mobile S6 Edge on AT&T network gave me some issues. Calls would take 30 seconds to dial out and phone did not ring a bunch.
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@alaskajoel Le us know if you have any signal issues.
The T Mobile S6 Edge on AT&T network gave me some issues. Calls would take 30 seconds to dial out and phone did not ring a bunch.
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Will do. Should be in my hands tomorrow.
Here goes. N920i 64GB
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LTE Working with attnextgenphone APN. Made a few phone calls, received one, and so far no odd problems.
I don't see the LTE on the signal bar are you sure it's on LTE?
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May I ask where you purchased this version?
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I don't see the LTE on the signal bar are you sure it's on LTE?
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May I ask where you purchased this version?
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LTE showing up on the signal bar is a Domestic device visual. International versions Show E (edge) 3G, H+ (Faux G) and 4G for LTE.
If you are still unconvinced, my service mode presently shows I am on LTE Band 4. Download speeds at 40mbps this evening. No carrier aggregation unfortunately, but I also didn't have it on my Nexus 6 or the GS6.
I purchased the phone from a seller in Hong Kong via Ebay.
Awesome! Enjoy!
Yep, just like the International S6 G920I that supported AT&T LTE
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This is excellent news. How much did you pay for that bad boy? Please go to dev settings and see if "allow OEM unlock" is in the options. Thank you.
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This is excellent news. How much did you pay for that bad boy? Please go to dev settings and see if "allow OEM unlock" is in the options. Thank you.
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~$900 USD. OEM Unlock is an available option in Developer Options.
I thought I'd give this thread a small bump as I'm about to pull the trigger on an international N920I as well.
My question stems from simply being new to importing phones and having to pay attention to bands. I have bene following this thread closely, and it seems as though the N920I performs well on the AT&T network, but is it the same as if I had bought one from AT&T? I ask only because it was just mentioned that this phone does not have Carrier Aggregation.
I'm not certain what carrier aggregation is (I looked it up on google but couldn't find much to answer my question). Does this mean that it will perform more slowly on US networks?
Also a final question, if anyone is willing to answer it. What is the region-locking situation on this phone? I have read mixed reports about people being stuck with phones that they cannot use because it was not activated with a compatible SIM, and some people that say they have had no problem. I don't want to drop $900 on this device and not be able to use it.
Diraan said:
I thought I'd give this thread a small bump as I'm about to pull the trigger on an international N920I as well.
My question stems from simply being new to importing phones and having to pay attention to bands. I have bene following this thread closely, and it seems as though the N920I performs well on the AT&T network, but is it the same as if I had bought one from AT&T? I ask only because it was just mentioned that this phone does not have Carrier Aggregation.
I'm not certain what carrier aggregation is (I looked it up on google but couldn't find much to answer my question). Does this mean that it will perform more slowly on US networks?
Also a final question, if anyone is willing to answer it. What is the region-locking situation on this phone? I have read mixed reports about people being stuck with phones that they cannot use because it was not activated with a compatible SIM, and some people that say they have had no problem. I don't want to drop $900 on this device and not be able to use it.
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My data speeds and reception have been the same as my nexus 6 and girlfriend's GS6 (purchased from AT&T.) Carrier aggregation allows for next generation LTE, but I have yet to own a phone, AT&T branded or otherwise, that supports it in my area. It might just be that there is no support for it in my city, but I'll be in Chicago In a few weeks and will try to investigate it there.
I can't speak to the region locking. All I know is my phone was completely sealed and worked 100% right out of the box with only putting in an AT&T SIM card.
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My data speeds and reception have been the same as my nexus 6 and girlfriend's GS6 (purchased from AT&T.) Carrier aggregation allows for next generation LTE, but I have yet to own a phone, AT&T branded or otherwise, that supports it in my area. It might just be that there is no support for it in my city, but I'll be in Chicago In a few weeks and will try to investigate it there.
I can't speak to the region locking. All I know is my phone was completely sealed and worked 100% right out of the box with only putting in an AT&T SIM card.
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Thank you for the quick reply. I think I'll put in an order right now.
Samsung Pay
I'm glad to hear that the N920I works on AT&T on the LTE band. I considered getting the International version. However, there is something else that I am concerned about...and that is Samsung Pay that will be coming late September. I believe carriers have to allow (or configure) Samsung Pay to work. For example, Verizon may not be supporting it, at least that's what's traveling around the net. Also when I had the International Galaxy S3 on AT&T, Google Wallet didn't work, it only worked on AT&T versions at that time. Unfortunately, we won't know until Samsung Pay is available, but I wonder if it will work on the N920I?
Awesome news. can you please tell me if VOLTE works on AT&T or if you even had the option for HD calling? Settings should be found under data options.
Thanks in advance.
For those wondering, if you use an N920I on AT&T, there are a few things you should know.
1. Since this is an international model, the signal indicators are different than what we're used to seeing in the US. The SM-N920I shows the following indicators for mobile data:
E - This means you have a 2G/EDGE connection
3G - This means you have a UMTS connection with no HSPA
H+ - This means you have an HSPA+/Faux 4G connection
4G - This means you have an LTE connection
2. Phone calls will not work over LTE (VoLTE), and, by extension, HD Voice doesn't work either. The VoLTE and HD Voice components are proprietary software that is only built into the AT&T-specific ROM on the SM-N920A.
3. The phone DOES support carrier aggregation (otherwise known as LTE-Advanced), but not on AT&T's bands. Considering that the SM-N920I is intended for retail in Australia, New Zealand, and Singapore, the baseband firmware is tweaked to do carrier aggregation on band pairs that are common among carriers in that part of the world.
So, what does this all mean? If you want a phone that has support for all the bleeding-edge technologies on AT&T's network (VoLTE, HD Voice, LTE-A), then you have no other choice but to buy an AT&T-branded SM-N920A. However, if you want faster updates, no carrier bloat, no carrier branding, an unlockable bootloader, and don't mind sacrificing the whiz-bang stuff on the network side of things, then an SM-N920I will work just fine. Put your SIM card in, you'll get LTE data on all of AT&T's available bands, and you'll be able to make and receive calls over the HSPA+ network. You're just not going to have all the latest carrier-marketed bells and whistles that you'd get if you bought a proper AT&T-branded SM-N920A.
At this point, I *should* rant about how stupid it is that Samsung refuses to sell SIM-free, unlocked versions of their phones via US retail channels. That's what forces us to go through these 3rd party importers to get the international models that aren't really tweaked for the US carriers. Alas, I'm not going to go down that road, though. It's a tempest in a teapot.
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1. Since this is an international model, the signal indicators are different than what we're used to seeing in the US. The SM-N920I shows the following indicators for mobile data:
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Translation: On the 920i/c, the signal indicators follow the international standard of "4G" being "LTE", and not the AT&T/TMO marketing fiction of "4G" being what everyone else calls "3.5G".
As for the rest of your points, I have to wonder how well deployed VoLTE is on AT&T (and I don't think AT&T has even started LTE-A yet, have they?)
I live in a somewhat rural area, and I'm just thrilled I have LTE.. which beats the "no signal" I get with other carriers. I don't know that I've ever experienced VoLTE. (Then again, I can't remember the last time I actually had a voice conversation with my phone.)
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At this point, I *should* rant about how stupid it is that Samsung refuses to sell SIM-free, unlocked versions of their phones via US retail channels. That's what forces us to go through these 3rd party importers to get the international models that aren't really tweaked for the US carriers. Alas, I'm not going to go down that road, though. It's a tempest in a teapot.
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Oh, but why not?! We really need some more activity in the AT&T Note5 section.
I'm curious to know what model people received direct from Moto in the US. My Z Play was given as a gift and bought from Best Buy, but it's XT1635-02, which I keep reading is an International model.
For those in the US that bought direct from Motorola, what's your model number?
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I'm curious to know what model people received direct from Moto in the US. My Z Play was given as a gift and bought from Best Buy, but it's XT1635-02, which I keep reading is an International model.
For those in the US that bought direct from Motorola, what's your model number?
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The same XT 1635-02...
I ordered my Moto Z Play Droid direct from Motorola, and got model number XT1635-01
XT1635-01 is the Verizon US variant, XT1635-02 is the US AND international varaints, XT1635-03 is the chinese variant. XT1635-02 can be either dual or single sim, and only differs in the software channels(retus, reteu, retla, etc). I think XT1635-03 is dual sim only, but im not sure. If you want to confirm your device is for the US market, go to settings > About phone and check the software channel which should read retus.
Seems silly that they would use the same model number for different regions with different band support. Confusing
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Seems silly that they would use the same model number for different regions with different band support. Confusing
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All XT1635-02 variants support the same GSM bands. XT1635-03 supports the chinese WCDMA bands and probably some GSM bands. XT1635-01 supports US CDMA bands and some GSM bands. Arguably motorola probably just disabled the CDMA and WCDMA bands on the XT1635-02 so that people would actually buy the phone from verizon as opposed to buying it from the manufacturer. Which verizon made a deal with them to try and grab more customers by saying "Look at this innovative new phone! Only here at Verizon!" as is clearly obvious by the phone being exclucive for a few months before international release.
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All XT1635-02 variants support the same GSM bands. XT1635-03 supports the chinese WCDMA bands and probably some GSM bands. XT1635-01 supports US CDMA bands and some GSM bands. Arguably motorola probably just disabled the CDMA and WCDMA bands on the XT1635-02 so that people would actually buy the phone from verizon as opposed to buying it from the manufacturer. Which verizon made a deal with them to try and grab more customers by saying "Look at this innovative new phone! Only here at Verizon!" as is clearly obvious by the phone being exclucive for a few months before international release.
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Perhaps, but that doesn't support why the Europe and USA versions of the unlocked XT1635-02 have different band support. Seems like this wouldn't have anything to do with Verizon exclusivity, and if the hardware support is there, why not make all bands available for true world support?
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Perhaps, but that doesn't support why the Europe and USA versions of the unlocked XT1635-02 have different band support. Seems like this wouldn't have anything to do with Verizon exclusivity, and if the hardware support is there, why not make all bands available for true world support?
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Checking motorola's site on the band support, XT1632-02 retus supports UMTS band 1700, reteu does not, however reteu support LTE bands 25 and 41, while retus does not. One of the reasons companies love proprietary software is because they can get away with doing things they dont want you to know about. Motorola can disable select bands on different variants and knows you have no way of enabling them (or even knowing if you can) since you do not have access to their source code. I cannot say for 100% sure that every variant supports the same bands hardware wise, but it would cost motorola more money to manufacture the phone with 3 or 4 different radios than it would be to just include 1 radio and then disable what they dont want you to access. The support I have that they do use this practice is because all XT1635-02 still have the pins for a second sim even on the single sim models. This would reduce manufacturing costs by skipping an unneeded step of seperating the phones between dual and single sim. On the Moto X Play some people were even able to activate the second sim on single sim only models. If you were around during the Nexus 4 era, Google intentionally disabled 4G LTE on that phone for seemingly no reason. Devs were able to figure that out and were able to unlock the 4G LTE capabilities. About Verizon exclucivity, if motorola disables the CDMA bands on their international model, you have to buy your phone from verizon if you want to use it on verizon. Lenovo (Motorola) has had big success with verizon exclucives from their droid series and they want to keep it that way. So in order to make costumers keep buying Droid phones they make it so that you have buy from verizon if you want CDMA support or you're SOL. This also allows verizon to lock down what CDMA carriers the phone can be used on (Which currently is only verizon AFAIK). Why they dont just enable all bands on all models is a good question, but once again it could have to do with the Verizon exclucivity because remember the verizon model was the first to be released. You had to buy the phone from verizon or motorola in order to get it which helps the Droid series sell. Releasing the phone 3 months later with global support could hurt the Droid series and potentially piss of customers.
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Checking motorola's site on the band support, XT1632-02 retus supports UMTS band 1700, reteu does not, however reteu support LTE bands 25 and 41, while retus does not. One of the reasons companies love proprietary software is because they can get away with doing things they dont want you to know about. Motorola can disable select bands on different variants and knows you have no way of enabling them (or even knowing if you can) since you do not have access to their source code. I cannot say for 100% sure that every variant supports the same bands hardware wise, but it would cost motorola more money to manufacture the phone with 3 or 4 different radios than it would be to just include 1 radio and then disable what they dont want you to access. The support I have that they do use this practice is because all XT1635-02 still have the pins for a second sim even on the single sim models. This would reduce manufacturing costs by skipping an unneeded step of seperating the phones between dual and single sim. On the Moto X Play some people were even able to activate the second sim on single sim only models. If you were around during the Nexus 4 era, Google intentionally disabled 4G LTE on that phone for seemingly no reason. Devs were able to figure that out and were able to unlock the 4G LTE capabilities. About Verizon exclucivity, if motorola disables the CDMA bands on their international model, you have to buy your phone from verizon if you want to use it on verizon. Lenovo (Motorola) has had big success with verizon exclucives from their droid series and they want to keep it that way. So in order to make costumers keep buying Droid phones they make it so that you have buy from verizon if you want CDMA support or you're SOL. This also allows verizon to lock down what CDMA carriers the phone can be used on (Which currently is only verizon AFAIK).
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Thanks for the detailed info.
One weird thing is this: according to http://willmyphonework.net/ the unlocked USA version of the Moto Z Play has partial T-Mobile 3G and 4G support, while the unlocked Europe version has partial T-Mobile 3G support and full 4G support. However the unlocked Mexico version apparently has full 2G/3G/4G support. ??? Sounds like the USA version is actually the worst in terms of band support for T-Mobile.
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Thanks for the detailed info.
One weird thing is this: according to http://willmyphonework.net/ the unlocked USA version of the Moto Z Play has partial T-Mobile 3G and 4G support, while the unlocked Europe version has partial T-Mobile 3G support and full 4G support. However the unlocked Mexico version apparently has full 2G/3G/4G support. ??? Sounds like the USA version is actually the worst in terms of band support for T-Mobile.
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Funny enough on their motorola's own website, they say the US version only has partial support for AT&T and full support for T-Mobile. https://www.motorola.com/us/carrier-compatibility I guess we'll never know whats going through the minds of the people at Lenovo. I also added a bit to my previous post about the global bit of your question.
Something to remember is that for most handset manufacturers, the carrier is their customer, not you. When handset manufacturers have a new phone to sell, they hand-make some prototypes and hawk them around the carriers (networks). If the network likes it, they will usually say "I'll only take it if it has this, this and this, and has that, that and that removed". Manufacturer then does some horse trading, hence "that would be uneconomic to remove from hardware, but we can disable it in the firmware".
Eventually they reach agreement and the network says "deal, I'll take 500,00" (for example) and agrees the payment. It's those advance payments (or borrowing against them) that fund the cost of production, and hopefully leave some profit left over for the manufacturer. This is why what the networks want always takes precedence - international unlocked sales are always a complete unknown, and usually a very small part of total sales. For most handset manufacturers, it's those exclusive deals with networks that keep the lights on. Only the iPhone ever bucked that trend, by being seen as a single product with such high demand that it gave the manufacturer more power than the networks. Android phones are divided between lots of different models and multiple manufacturers, which means that the manufacturer's bargaining power for a single model is very limited.
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Funny enough on their motorola's own website, they say the US version only has partial support for AT&T and full support for T-Mobile. https://www.motorola.com/us/carrier-compatibility I guess we'll never know whats going through the minds of the people at Lenovo. I also added a bit to my previous post about the global bit of your question.
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Are you saying the info on the moto site isn't 100% correct? I wanted to get one of these for AT&T but it shows it is only somewhat compatible compared to Tmobile i
also see no checkmark by republic wireless, but I know for a fact RW is selling them on their website, and there is even a RW promo taking place in a few days with the z play
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Are you saying the info on the moto site isn't 100% correct? I wanted to get one of these for AT&T but it shows it is only somewhat compatible compared to Tmobile i
also see no checkmark by republic wireless, but I know for a fact RW is selling them on their website, and there is even a RW promo taking place in a few days with the z play
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I have AT&T and am having no issues with signal. I get EDGE, HSPA, HSPA+, and LTE. I actually get better signal on AT&T than I did on verizon on my Moto X Pure (AT&T also costs me almost 3x less as well ). AT&T uses LTE bands 2, 4, 5, 17, and recently (from what ive heard) 12. XT1635-02 retus supports all of those bands (it lists supported bands on the box).
So far we know the model H933 and that it will come in cloud silver (maybe other colours but website only shows one for now). Also we may not get the V30+ but that is not a big deal since its only more storage.
http://www.lg.com/ca_en/cell-phones...PiB8PZcedjEkB_zhzUhWH3xmuQHSgsf4aAqHrEALw_wcB
Pricing and release date is still up in the air. My guess is at least $899 or maybe $999. Let hope the former.
Probably will not be bootloader unlockable which is sad...
I will try to modify and update this post as more information becomes available.
Are you getting one???
milan187 said:
Probably will not be bootloader unlockable which is sad...
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If you want bootloader unlocked in Canada, it's the same situation like the LG G6. You will have to get the U.S. carrier unlocked version of the LG V30, which is eligible for official bootloader unlock. It will have all the U.S./Canadian bands.
Here's the LG G6 US997 carrier unlocked bands below. See, if you live in Canada, you would be fine.
U.S. LG G6 CARRIER UNLOCKED
Communications
CDMA 2G CDMA: 800, 1900 MHz
GSM 2G GSM, GPRS, EDGE: 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
CDMA 3G CDMA2000, EV-DO: 800, 1900 MHz
GSM 3G/3.5G UMTS, HSPA+: 850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz
4G LTE LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17, 20, 25 Bands
Wi-Fi Yes, 802.11a/b/g/n/ac
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The carrier unlocked LG V30 will be released probably mid-October, AFTER all the carrier branded models. It will work with all carriers and won't be locked to any. It MAY even have the T-mobile LTE 71 band...in addition to all the bands listed above. But it will at least have all the bands the U.S. carrier unlocked LG G6 has.
LG V30 US998.
Set a Google alert for that model number.
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If you want bootloader unlocked in Canada, it's the same situation like the LG G6. You will have to get the U.S. carrier unlocked version of the LG V30, which is eligible for official bootloader unlock. It will have all the U.S./Canadian bands.
Here's the LG G6 US997 carrier unlocked bands below. See, if you live in Canada, you would be fine.
U.S. LG G6 CARRIER UNLOCKED
The carrier unlocked LG V30 will be released probably mid-October, AFTER all the carrier branded models. It will work with all carriers and won't be locked to any. It MAY even have the T-mobile LTE 71 band...in addition to all the bands listed above. But it will at least have all the bands the U.S. carrier unlocked LG G6 has.
LG V30 US998.
Set a Google alert for that model number.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1357369-REG/lg_lgus998_ausasv_lg_v30_us998_64gb.html?email=
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From what I was told when talking to a T-Mobile online rep yesterday. Only the version sold by T-Mobile will have band 66 support and support WiFi Calling. They could be wrong but some of their reps tend to be more knowledgeable than the average rep, at least from my experience.
jcsww said:
From what I was told when talking to a T-Mobile online rep yesterday. Only the version sold by T-Mobile will have band 66 support and support WiFi Calling. They could be wrong but some of their reps tend to be more knowledgeable than the average rep, at least from my experience.
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it's actually band 71 (600 MHz) for T-Mobile new LTE band.
Was discussed in another thread that all the U.S. LG V30 will have the same hardware (antennas), so possibly flashing T-Mobile radio will activate that band on the carrier unlocked version. That's something for a dev to figure out.
ChazzMatt said:
it's actually band 71 (600 MHz) for T-Mobile new LTE band.
Was discussed in another thread that all the U.S. LG V30 will have the same hardware (antennas), so possibly flashing T-Mobile radio will activate that band on the carrier unlocked version. That's something for a dev to figure out.
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Hmmm. I have seen 66, 69, and now 71. I don't care which one it is, I just want to make sure the phone I am considering has it.
Personally, I would ultimately like the dual-SIM version but I value T-Mobile WiFi Calling quite a bit. With one T-Mobile USA SIM and one Telus Canada SIM. I would like to ditch the two phones being carried.
jcsww said:
Hmmm. I have seen 66, 69, and now 71. I don't care which one it is, I just want to make sure the phone I am considering has it.
Personally, I would ultimately like the dual-SIM version but I value T-Mobile WiFi Calling quite a bit. With one T-Mobile USA SIM and one Telus Canada SIM. I would like to ditch the two phones being carried.
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https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988
T-Mobile calls 600 MHz LTE BAND 71.
Band 66 is something entirely different. You can read about both there.
milan187 said:
So far we know the model H933 and that it will come in cloud silver (maybe other colours but website only shows one for now). Also we may not get the V30+ but that is not a big deal since its only more storage.
http://www.lg.com/ca_en/cell-phones...PiB8PZcedjEkB_zhzUhWH3xmuQHSgsf4aAqHrEALw_wcB
Pricing and release date is still up in the air. My guess is at least $899 or maybe $999. Let hope the former.
Probably will not be bootloader unlockable which is sad...
I will try to modify and update this post as more information becomes available.
Are you getting one???
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Im debating a v30 or a note 8 but want to compare both in hand first.
Neither will be the CAN version since i dont waste money on devices with locked bootloaders
sent from my Note FE or S8 Plus (exynos)
force70 said:
Im debating a v30 or a note 8 but want to compare both in hand first.
Neither will be the CAN version since i dont waste money on devices with locked bootloaders
sent from my Note FE or S8 Plus (exynos)
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Personally the note 8 is to big and the "artist" side is not for me. I need the best audio. And now rumors for axon 8 are starting so I'm starting to hesitate a bit between the two.
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And now rumors for axon 8 are starting so I'm starting to hesitate a bit between the two.
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Also rumors are ZTE is skipping the 8 label and will call it the Axon 9. To be announced in October.
Yeah, I'm curious about it also. See this page, page 13 of the thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...s-to-replace-2014-quark-droid-t3597950/page13
This post in particular:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=73686747
jcsww said:
From what I was told when talking to a T-Mobile online rep yesterday. Only the version sold by T-Mobile will have band 66 support and support WiFi Calling. They could be wrong but some of their reps tend to be more knowledgeable than the average rep, at least from my experience.
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Never listen to carrier reps. They are often clueless.
U.S. carrier unlocked version (US998) will have T-mobile's 600 Mhz LTE band 71.
LG V30 US998 will have ALL the U.S. carrier bands, so you can take it to any carrier you wish -- even T-mobile. Otherwise it would be pointless to have a U.S. unlocked carrier version if there were any carrier bands it did not have.
Confirmed by T-mobile via Twitter. Thanks to @starscalling for giving us the info. I found the Twitter post he saw.
https://twitter.com/TMobile/status/906909686682624000
He says you can buy it "directly from LG unlocked", but you can also buy it online from other retailers like B&H Photo, Amazon, etc. It's the same LG G6 US998 U.S. unlocked carrier model. IF it makes you feel better to buy it from LG, that's fine.
Since we KNOW the U.S. carrier unlocked version will also qualify for LG's REAL bootloader unlock (unlike T-mobile's faux bootloader unlock on the LG G6) THAT is the one to buy.
ChazzMatt said:
Never listen to carrier reps. They are often clueless.
U.S. carrier unlocked version (US998) will have T-mobile's 600 Mhz LTE band 71.
LG V30 US998 will have ALL the U.S. carrier bands, so you can take it to any carrier you wish -- even T-mobile. Otherwise it would be pointless to have a U.S. unlocked carrier version if there were any carrier bands it did not have.
Confirmed by T-mobile via Twitter. Thanks to @starscalling for giving us the info. I found the Twitter post he saw.
https://twitter.com/TMobile/status/906909686682624000
He says you can buy it "directly from LG unlocked", but you can also buy it online from other retailers like B&H Photo, Amazon, etc. It's the same LG G6 US998 U.S. unlocked carrier model. IF it makes you feel better to buy it from LG, that's fine.
Since we KNOW the U.S. carrier unlocked version will also qualify for LG's REAL bootloader unlock (unlike T-mobile's faux bootloader unlock on the LG G6) THAT is the one to buy.
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Hopefully a custom ROM can add the WiFi Calling into the US998 then. I do use it and found it to be the only reliable way to get working cell service on a cruise.
Only thing that sucks about buying the US unlocked model is warranty right?
milan187 said:
Only think that sucks about buying the US unlocked model is warranty right?
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I never think about the warranty. I am in the US for half of the year so getting warranty service, if needed, shouldn't be an issue.
jcsww said:
I never think about the warranty. I am in the US for half of the year so getting warranty service, if needed, shouldn't be an issue.
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For you it works out I guess.
I had to get warranty repairs for both my Pixel and LG G6 recently.
milan187 said:
For you it works out I guess.
I had to get warranty repairs for both my Pixel and LG G6 recently.
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In some cases, the US warranty is valid in North America. Until the device is released though, only LG can confirm the warranty terms.
I bought a Nexus 6P for my girlfriend in Canada from Telus that she uses on AT&T in the US. When she registered the device, it issued her the full US warranty.
according to *someone* (working at Telus !?) the price would be around 1000$ CAN (no plan)
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgv30/comments/6zk6z4/lg_v30_confirmed_pricing_in_canada_telus/
Matrix_19 said:
according to *someone* (working at Telus !?) the price would be around 1000$ CAN (no plan)
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgv30/comments/6zk6z4/lg_v30_confirmed_pricing_in_canada_telus/
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Sounds about right. That would be $810 U.S. (current currency value as of this moment), but it never translates exactly to the same exact figure, when it goes on sale in other countries. And they would do "$999" or $995" Canadian, not "$1000". Sales psychology.
For U.S. then would be $799, $849, etc. But $1000 Canadia ($810 U.S.) is in the same ballpark as other rumored prices. Over in South Korea, $846 or something but of course tweaked for their currency sweet spot.
Matrix_19 said:
according to *someone* (working at Telus !?) the price would be around 1000$ CAN (no plan)
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgv30/comments/6zk6z4/lg_v30_confirmed_pricing_in_canada_telus/
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That's probably a guestimate because Telus is not carrying the V30 unfortunately. Freedom Mobile is the only carrier I am aware of definitely getting it. The V20 when it came out last year was about $950 through them but I have asked already. No pricing or the specific model they will carry as of yet.
ChazzMatt said:
it's actually band 71 (600 MHz) for T-Mobile new LTE band.
Was discussed in another thread that all the U.S. LG V30 will have the same hardware (antennas), so possibly flashing T-Mobile radio will activate that band on the carrier unlocked version. That's something for a dev to figure out.
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Mind providing a link to that discussion?
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Mind providing a link to that discussion?
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Sure, this was the original discussion. But let me explain a couple of things.
First, most OEMs manufacture phones in the most efficient way. For instance, people have been able to enable LTE bands on some phones from Samsung, LG, Sony, etc. because apparently those OEMs first enable all LTE bands (sort of a global phone), then use software to RESTRICT what they don't want for various carriers or regions.
Add Frequency Bands to Your Qualcomm Device
Those of you who travel quite a bit undoubtedly own more than one device due to frequency band restrictions put in place by both carriers / OEMs, as well as local regulatory agencies. It’s common to find regional variants of pretty much the same devices from Sony, LG, Samsung, and other OEMs. And of course, these companies want to turn a profit, so they often sell multiple devices rather than one that can switch between all of its hardware-supported frequency bands. Surprisingly, most phones works pretty well with frequency bands that are not officially supported. In fact, this is often just a software limitation that can be circumvented with tools available on XDA.
If you want to add frequency bands, you need to prepare yourself for lots of reading. The process is not as easy as simply rooting, and requires some tools like QPST and QXDM.
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This is not a new concept. A quick Google search shows more. But that above is from an XDA article, which is developer-centric.
But it's not simply using QPST or QXDM to "enable" those bands, the hardware (antennas) also has to be available. On the Moto XT1225, which I own, many people tried to enable European LTE band 20 but it didn't work for one reason because the antenna didn't support that band. In software, it showed it was enabled but there was no way to transmit or receive that frequency due to lack of antenna support.
Now... what's more realistic? That LG would make a separate AT&T, T-mobile, Sprint, Verizon models -- plus all the Canadian carriers, all with different antennas? -- one make ONE "North America" template and then in a final stage lock out what each carrier doesn't need? The HINT is that they are already going to release a U.S. (actually North America) "carrier unlocked" model weeks after the carrier-branded models -- the LG V30 US 998.
Logic would show for manufacturing efficiency, THIS is really the base model the carriers are selling, including T-mobile. Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile and all the Canadian carriers are getting a customized variation of THIS US998. It's just their branded versions have the bands enabled/disabled they specifically need.
Then, the US998 will have ALL the U.S./Canadian bands enabled -- probably including LTE band 71. If it didn't, then it really wouldn't be full "carrier unlocked" version.
Twice, the "management" Twitter account of T-mobile seemingly said the "carrier unlocked" version would have LTE band 71. Which was encouraging.
Then the "customer service" (T-mobile Help) Twitter account has questioned that. Which I laugh at. Customer service reps are typically clueless about what unlocking really means, and also they can't speak for LG. They can only speak for T-Mobile product and usually using scripts to go by. [emoji14] I know more than they do how OEMs like LG make phones. Plus, T-Mobile wants you to buy a T-mobile branded phone, not a carrier unlocked phone straight from LG or some other retailers.
But LG doesn't need T-Mobile "permission" for what LG does with a carrier unlocked version not sold or serviced by T-Mobile.
So, based on past experience and knowledge of the industry, I would bet all the North American LG V30 phones have the same hardware (antennas), and that the carrier unlocked version will either have LTE band 71 at release or hopefully it can be enabled by devs. Here's the discussion link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/how-to/t-mobile-600-mhz-lte-band-71-s-carrier-t3671351
Do you know if there are physical differences between the two or if it's just a firmware difference?
Saw this...
Is the unlocked version of the Pixel 6 Pro on the store, Model ID G8V0U or GLUOG? - Google Pixel Community
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Do you know if there are physical differences between the two or if it's just a firmware difference?
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Pixel Phone Simulator
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I know what differences there are on paper, but my question is if the hardware is different, or if there is just some locks.
gpvecchi said:
I know what differences there are on paper, but my question is if the hardware is different, or if there is just some locks.
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mmWave requires a dedicated antenna, in place of that there is just a useless piece of plastic in the Sub-6 only versions (just watch a couple teardown videos, they'll notice/explain that).
Example
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That's exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
Any ideea if there is a software difference between GLUOG and G8VOU ?
Looking to get G8VOU to use with Bell Canada.
I travel across borser a lot.
I currently have a Note 20 Ultra 5G "U1" version, from US and Bell Canada won't recognize the TAC and cannot get 5G in Canada or register with ATT or Verizon since no IMS registration allowed by Bell Canada because of the XAA CSC. So basically can't use it with Canadian Carriers. No options to flash it with a "W" firmware either. Thank you Samsung.
Looking to leave Samsung and get a Pixel 6 pro but wanted the G8VOU for 260 261 band.
Any thoughts, will the G8VOU will work with Canadian carriers ?
adi2999 said:
Any ideea if there is a software difference between GLUOG and G8VOU ?
Looking to get G8VOU to use with Bell Canada.
I travel across borser a lot.
I currently have a Note 20 Ultra 5G "U1" version, from US and Bell Canada won't recognize the TAC and cannot get 5G in Canada or register with ATT or Verizon since no IMS registration allowed by Bell Canada because of the XAA CSC. So basically can't use it with Canadian Carriers. No options to flash it with a "W" firmware either. Thank you Samsung.
Looking to leave Samsung and get a Pixel 6 pro but wanted the G8VOU for 260 261 band.
Any thoughts, will the G8VOU will work with Canadian carriers ?
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There are no software differences, both variants run the same firmware.
You're gonna be between a rock and a hard place though.
The rock is that you can use the G8V0U on Bell however you might only get 3G.
I checked the IMEI for a Pixel 6 and it said it would be Sub-6 compatible. I checked the IMEI for a Pixel XL and it said it would be LTE compatible. However, when checking with an IMEI for a G8V0U it only said HSPA compatible, nothing about LTE or Sub-6.
No guarantees about LTE support, which by extension means no guarantees about IMS, even if Bell doesn't have whitelists.
The hard place is that if you were to instead get a GLU0G for Sub-6 and IMS support in Canada you'd be on the reverse end of the stick in the US as both AT&T and Verizon operate whitelists.
AT&T only allows the G8V0U for IMS, and because AT&T is an IMS only network now there is no way to use the GLU0G.
Verizon is still running their CDMA network but it doesn't matter because their entire network is whitelisted and they don't allow the GLU0G.
Your best bet if you want a Pixel is to get a Pixel 6 GB7N6 which can be bought unlocked from the Google Store and will work on all networks in the US and Canada although it only has Sub-6 and not mmWave.
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There are no software differences, both variants run the same firmware.
You're gonna be between a rock and a hard place though.
The rock is that you can use the G8V0U on Bell however you might only get 3G.
I checked the IMEI for a Pixel 6 and it said it would be Sub-6 compatible. I checked the IMEI for a Pixel XL and it said it would be LTE compatible. However, when checking with an IMEI for a G8V0U it only said HSPA compatible, nothing about LTE or Sub-6.
No guarantees about LTE support, which by extension means no guarantees about IMS, even if Bell doesn't have whitelists.
The hard place is that if you were to instead get a GLU0G for Sub-6 and IMS support in Canada you'd be on the reverse end of the stick in the US as both AT&T and Verizon operate whitelists.
AT&T only allows the G8V0U for IMS, and because AT&T is an IMS only network now there is no way to use the GLU0G.
Verizon is still running their CDMA network but it doesn't matter because their entire network is whitelisted and they don't allow the GLU0G.
Your best bet if you want a Pixel is to get a Pixel 6 GB7N6 which can be bought unlocked from the Google Store and will work on all networks in the US and Canada although it only has Sub-6 and not mmWave.
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Is this the case for roaming services? I mean with a Bell Sim inside, roaming on a US network ?
adi2999 said:
Is this the case for roaming services? I mean with a Bell Sim inside, roaming on a US network ?
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For which hardware?
GLU0G roaming in the US should be supported according to Bell with LTE/VoLTE/Sub-6.
G8V0U roaming in the US will not work because you need IMS, and Bell doesn't provide that with the G8V0U.
Namelesswonder said:
For which hardware?
GLU0G roaming in the US should be supported according to Bell with LTE/VoLTE/Sub-6.
G8V0U roaming in the US will not work because you need IMS, and Bell doesn't provide that with the G8V0U.
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Ok, that is what I was afraid of. I appreciate your reply. I guess no matter if it's Samsung or Google, it has to be a Canadian version in order to avoid all the hassle I am putting up with now.
I am in US now, using Note 20 5G U1, and can only register on Tmobile for voice and get only 3G. ATT will let me register but only getting LTE data and text but cannot place or recieve calls.
Verizon, lets me register for a few seconds then kicks me out.
I was looking for an answer about what device to buy and I was hoping Google's story was going to be different but from what you've described, I see no difference between them.
Bell support was "0" since not a device that they sold.
So I guess I'll have to chose between S22 W and GLU0G.
Wondering if the same goes for Iphone devices ?
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Wondering if the same goes for Iphone devices ?
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iPhones have different variants for countries that haven't certified mmWave or have other frequency restrictions but Apple mandates that carriers support all variants that have basic support for their frequencies.
USA variant iPhones have mmWave that can't be used in Canada. 100% band support on Bell and might miss a single band on others but still work completely fine in Canada.
Canada/Japan variant iPhones don't have mmWave, will 100% work in Canada, have all bands for AT&T and Verizon, except the 11/12 miss a single band on T-Mobile but will still have service.
Both variants will roam in any combination, but a USA variant won't gain mmWave when roaming in the US as Bell doesn't have mmWave roaming contracts with carriers.