According to Ampere, the phone is charging at 1100mah and 4v with the factory cable and adapter. Battery is at 20% when I started. Are those numbers right because It seems like the fast charge should be higher. It does say "Fast charging" on the lock screen.
Fuzzy13 said:
According to Ampere, the phone is charging at 1100mah and 4v with the factory cable and adapter. Battery is at 20% when I started. Are those numbers right because It seems like the fast charge should be higher. It does say "Fast charging" on the lock screen.
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I don't have the p2xl...I have a 6p but my phone starts off allow when fast charging with the OEM charger. But after a couple minutes it ramps up to around 2200mAh..... It's like it had to warm up a bit...... Does yours do that?
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According to Ampere, the phone is charging at 1100mah and 4v with the factory cable and adapter. Battery is at 20% when I started. Are those numbers right because It seems like the fast charge should be higher. It does say "Fast charging" on the lock screen.
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That's not fast charging and no, that's not ok.... it looks like the charging rate may be capped at 10.5W. If true, this is not cool.
Fuzzy13 said:
According to Ampere, the phone is charging at 1100mah and 4v with the factory cable and adapter. Battery is at 20% when I started. Are those numbers right because It seems like the fast charge should be higher. It does say "Fast charging" on the lock screen.
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This topic has come up before. Personally, I don't think the app is reading the actual input. If it was measuring somewhere on the input line it wouldn't show the discharge rate when the charger is disconnected. So wherever it is measuring is not designed to measure what is coming in from the charger. Fast charging is 9v at 2 amps. There is probably some special circuit getting it to the battery and not into the phone guts, which are running at 5v.
If you have doubt that it is fast charging, just try timing recharging time with different adapters.
On Ampere, mine shows 5v at 1 amp for every charger including stock, other than a 1 amp charger. For that, it'll show 4v at 1 amp. But the actual charging time with the stock charger is much faster than using a 5v at 2.4 amp charger. If you get a similar recharge rate with a 1 amp charger and the stock charger, then Ampere would be correct. But it should be a much different recharge time.
If someone uses an inline module in between the charger and phone, then that'll get my attention. But I haven't seen where someone has done that. Supposedly someone has done that, but no one has linked to any post in the prior thread about this.
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This topic has come up before. Personally, I don't think the app is reading the actual input. If it was measuring somewhere on the input line it wouldn't show the discharge rate when the charger is disconnected. So wherever it is measuring is not designed to measure what is coming in from the charger. Fast charging is 9v at 2 amps. There is probably some special circuit getting it to the battery and not into the phone guts, which are running at 5v.
If you have doubt that it is fast charging, just try timing recharging time with different adapters.
On Ampere, mine shows 5v at 1 amp for every charger including stock, other than a 1 amp charger. For that, it'll show 4v at 1 amp. But the actual charging time with the stock charger is much faster than using a 5v at 2.4 amp charger. If you get a similar recharge rate with a 1 amp charger and the stock charger, then Ampere would be correct. But it should be a much different recharge time.
If someone uses an inline module in between the charger and phone, then that'll get my attention. But I haven't seen where someone has done that. Supposedly someone has done that, but no one has linked to any post in the prior thread about this.
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Ah, so you didn't read the linked XDA article by Nathan K. but commented in this way?
Ampere is giving you the charge with your battery drain. You're supposed to measure what your drain is in the app without plugging in the charger, then add that to your measurement when you plug it in. You will be somewhere around 1500mah at that point (400-500mah drain).
That is because android limits your charge rate when the screen is on to 1500ma. Your phone will charge faster with the screen off, that is for the thermal throttling. Ampere can't measure with the screen off. Use accubattery to see that, you'll need to leave the screen off for 5-10 minutes to get an accurate reading.
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No. I have no idea who Nathan k is. No one has pointed me to wherever he posts. They just keep telling his name as if everyone knows who he is. Paste a link.
Edit: Here's where I saw it before, and I did try to find him on Google +. I wasn't told there was an XDA article.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74519553&postcount=13
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No. I have no idea who Nathan k is. No one has pointed me to wherever he posts. They just keep telling his name as if everyone knows who he is. Paste a link. Edit: Here's where I saw it before, and I did try to find him on Google +. I wasn't told there was an XDA article.
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Ah okay, well the link to "capping" was in my post just above, but you probably missed it. See the article here. As for who he is... he has been taking over for Benson Leung in testing all things USB-C. His G+ link is in the article. He does a LOT of testing and publishes his findings. :good:
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Ah okay, well the link to "capping" was in my post just above, but you probably missed it. See the article here. As for who he is... he has been taking over for Benson Leung in testing all things USB-C. His G+ link is in the article. He does a LOT of testing and publishes his findings. :good:
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Ok, thanks. I know about Benson Leung. I had seen the orange color in the text, but in my brain that was highlighting and not a link.
I stopped using the stock charger after about 5 days because I worry about heat and things like the 6P battery issue. But it seems like I don't have to worry so much if they've dropped the charging current for the whole charging time. That also means I can keep using my old 5v at 2.4 amp or 2.0 amp chargers during the day and not miss much since it is going to be charging at about 10 watts either way. It just won't have a few minute start at higher watts. At night I use a 1 amp charger.
I don't blame Google for dropping things down since the 6P is said to have charged at 15 watts and the dying batteries cost them a lot of dollars replacing user's phones. Project Fi even started sending Pixels as replacements when they ran out of 6P refurbs until corporate stopped that practice.
But they do claim "Up to 7 hours of battery on 15 minutes of*charging". Wonder if that was before or after they messed with the charging current. If I wasn't on Project Fi, this would be one more reason not to ever have considered this phone to begin with. I almost never need to rapid charge and then go somewhere away from an outlet, but other people do. I was also forced to buy an external battery since the 5X battery life sucked. So I do have a backup.
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I've used my HP touchpad charger a couple times now and it seems to drastically speed up charging. I thought I'd see if anyone else had experienced this as well.
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I would not recommend using tablet chargers like that. Although it does speed up charging I think you might also wear out your battery quicker.
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I would not recommend using tablet chargers like that. Although it does speed up charging I think you might also wear out your battery quicker.
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That's not right. The charging speed is limited by the battery and their charging managemend, not by the charger. If the battery management is configured at 1A it is charging with 1A even if you use a 2A charger.
If you can charge the HTC One with a bigger charger faster than it is not negative for the battery because it's allowed by the battery management. But I don't think, that it is really faster. I will test it for myself later with the 2A Charger from the ipad.
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I would not recommend using tablet chargers like that. Although it does speed up charging I think you might also wear out your battery quicker.
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I do know where this is coming from but just isn't the case anymore. All batteries made for cells phones in the last 2 years have smart charging chips in them. Meaning they can not overcharge, charge too fast, or discharge too much. These batteries have tech built in that could charge them in about a hour. People think this was disabled to help prolong the life of the battery. This is also false. Fast charging does have a slightly negative effect but we are talking about 2% negative. So if the battery would have went through 2000 charge cycles normally than with a fast charge it would only last around 1180 charge cycles. It's a non difference. It is the reason people have been saying that the fast charge feature is disabled but they have no idea and it sounds good so the community here has decided it to be true.
Now technically it should not matter what amp charger we plug in as the phone should only take a certain amount. Now I know this is false as I also use the 2amp Touchpad charger and can confirm it does charge around 30% faster.
Can someone explain why the power capability of the charger makes any difference?
Rules of electronics. V = IR or in this case I = V/R Current = Voltage / Resistance
By definition if too much current is drawn from the power supply the voltage will collapse. Similarly, at any given voltage and input resistance, the current will never exceed a certain level.
So the worst that can happen is you damage a power supply trying to charge a greedy iPad with an under spec'd power supply.
But I see certain devices that say, never use a 2A charger as it can damage the device? Why? By definition it will never draw more current than the circuit is designed for.....what am I missing?
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Can someone explain why the power capability of the charger makes any difference?
Rules of electronics. V = IR or in this case I = V/R Current = Voltage / Resistance
By definition if too much current is drawn from the power supply the voltage will collapse. Similarly, at any given voltage and input resistance, the current will never exceed a certain level.
So the worst that can happen is you damage a power supply trying to charge a greedy iPad with an under spec'd power supply.
But I see certain devices that say, never use a 2A charger as it can damage the device? Why? By definition it will never draw more current than the circuit is designed for.....what am I missing?
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Nothing at all :cyclops:
Now if you use a .5 amp you do run the risk of burning it out as the device will try and pull more than .5amp and will succeed putting too much strain on the charger.
AFAIK the charging voltage/amperage is dynamically controlled by software(kernel). Starting from empty the voltage will be higher, but decreasing when battery is getting fuller.
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AFAIK the charging voltage/amperage is dynamically controlled by software(kernel). Starting from empty the voltage will be higher, but decreasing when battery is getting fuller.
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The voltage of the power supply should be a controlled 5V (I know some poor supplies are not so perfect). The only way of changing the current being drawn is to change the resistance , but that would be a constant as determined by the battery itself (its current draw will change depending on how full it is at the time). If there was actually a charge controller circuit in the phone itself, then it should not matter whether you have 2A, 5A or 50A, because it should only ever draw the power it needs. Also if there was effectively a "short circuit" and you tried to draw 2A from a 1A power supply, the power supply voltage would collapse and charging would simply stop. Therefore the charging circuit will have been designed with an expected current flow. As voltage is 5V and the input resistance always remains constant, the charging current can never be more or less than what was intended by design! Of course if the power supply outputs 10V instead of 5V, then it WILL draw more current and do lots of damage!
Think of it this way. If you run at 5 mph, it doesn't matter whether you are 3 feet tall or 6 feet tall, you will still arrive at the destination at exactly the same time.
There are different cables that can be purchased that essentially have just the positive and negative connections in use. This removes the control connections that allow the phone to regulate the amount of power so it allows the device to charge at a faster rate.
I have used these cables for years on many devices and have never had a problem but it is worth noting that I only use them sparingly and the vast majority of the time I use the standard chargers that come with the devices.
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Stop with the FUD people, the only thing that matters is the voltage of the charger. It needs to be 5V or else it will damage the phone. Otherwise, the phone will self limit the amount of charge taken in.
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Using a higher current charger will degrade the life of the battery faster than normal. It will also be hotter when chraging, thus further degrading the life of the battery.
Bear in mind USB2.0 can only provide 500mA and makes charging slower.
Using a 2A charger ON OCCASION will be fine, but long term use will degrade your battery, it's that simple.
fast charging batteries is not as good as slow charging for the batteries. It's not terrible, but it is worse for their health.
the smart chips in the phones are allowing to be faster charged = faster charge times. HTC probably allowed this because they knew it would pacify complaints about their slow charge.
The htc engineers saw it fit to include the charger they did, they know its charges slow, it's for a reason.
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Fast charging does have a slightly negative effect but we are talking about 2% negative. So if the battery would have went through 2000 charge cycles normally than with a fast charge it would only last around 1180 charge cycles. It's a non difference. It is the reason people have been saying that the fast charge feature is disabled but they have no idea and it sounds good so the community here has decided it to be true.
Now technically it should not matter what amp charger we plug in as the phone should only take a certain amount. Now I know this is false as I also use the 2amp Touchpad charger and can confirm it does charge around 30% faster.
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Your numbers are a little off i'm afraid. If its only a 2% issue from 2000 charges.. you show 1180 to be then new charge..thats almost 50%. 50% would be 1000 charges.. 2% from 2000 would be 1960 Better number for your point
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Using a higher current charger will degrade the life of the battery faster than normal. It will also be hotter when chraging, thus further degrading the life of the battery.
Bear in mind USB2.0 can only provide 500mA and makes charging slower.
Using a 2A charger ON OCCASION will be fine, but long term use will degrade your battery, it's that simple.
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Yeah it will degrade it quicker, but not significantly. I agree with the previous posts. Its fine to use a charger with higher amps than needed but its not good to use lower amps. (lower than 500ma) Lower amps will kill chargers quick. If usb is 500ma then these phones must be fine with variable amps (within its limits) I dont know what the variable numbers are but say its 500ma min, 2A max.. using a 3A charger or a 5A charger shouldnt make a difference in charge speed. It'll only draw 2A. (again hypothetical 2A here, 1.5 may be the max.) That being said... i wouldnt use a 2A as your primary or overnight charger though(unless you only sleep 3 hours ), no need for it..Since these phones dont have a replaceable battery your overnight charger should probably be 1A. Use a 2A during the day if you need a quick boost.
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Yeah it will degrade it quicker, but not significantly. I agree with the previous posts. Its fine to use a charger with higher amps than needed but its not good to use lower amps. (lower than 500ma) Lower amps will kill chargers quick. If usb is 500ma then these phones must be fine with variable amps (within its limits) I dont know what the variable numbers are but say its 500ma min, 2A max.. using a 3A charger or a 5A charger shouldnt make a difference in charge speed. It'll only draw 2A. (again hypothetical 2A here, 1.5 may be the max.) That being said... i wouldnt use a 2A as your primary or overnight charger though(unless you only sleep 3 hours ), no need for it..Since these phones dont have a replaceable battery your overnight charger should probably be 1A. Use a 2A during the day if you need a quick boost.
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I used a Samsung 0.7A OEM charger for a while for my previous phones and always thought that the power is capped by the output of the adapter. If it's rated 0.7A the adapter can output up to what it was rated for; That is wrong on that assumption. Using Current Widget app also appear to support this as well as it was drawing on my S3, 0.999 mA when this adapter as in. I have switched to the 1A adapter because of that; the read outs using the app still shows up as 0.999 mA.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40630411#post40630411
If using a higher one is no good like 2A, I guess we would be able to see what Current Widget saids as well. Supposedly the phone pulls what it needs to my understanding.
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Using a higher current charger will degrade the life of the battery faster than normal. It will also be hotter when chraging, thus further degrading the life of the battery.
Bear in mind USB2.0 can only provide 500mA and makes charging slower.
Using a 2A charger ON OCCASION will be fine, but long term use will degrade your battery, it's that simple.
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I'd love to hear where your "simple" comment comes from? Facts, please. I will withhold my view until you can state sources... (Hint: heat will be the only factor in a properly designed system)
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I'd love to hear where your "simple" comment comes from? Facts, please. I will withhold my view until you can state sources... (Hint: heat will be the only factor in a properly designed system)
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here's a source. HTC engineers decided to include the charger they did.
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here's a source. HTC engineers decided to include the charger they did.
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Wow, aren't you a helpful one. There is much more to the H/W selection than what the charging circuit is capable of... Chargers don't "force" a current on the battery. The charging circuit draws what it needs from a charger, assuming it can supply what is drawn. A well designed charging circuit will draw no more than what the battery is capable of without damage. The only factor is heat, which should be accounted for at a nominal level. If heat was't properly accounted for, or they short changed the charging circuit (like the charger) there could be an issue long term.
As an application side note, I had a 2 or 2.1A charger on my Atrix 4G for the 2+ years I owned it and still on the original battery that will last me an 18hr day. You don't do anyone favors talking about stuff you don't know anything about.
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Wow, aren't you a helpful one. There is much more to the H/W selection than what the charging circuit is capable of... Chargers don't "force" a current on the battery. The charging circuit draws what it needs from a charger, assuming it can supply what is drawn. A well designed charging circuit will draw no more than what the battery is capable of without damage. The only factor is heat, which should be accounted for at a nominal level. If heat was't properly accounted for, or they short changed the charging circuit (like the charger) there could be an issue long term.
As an application side note, I had a 2 or 2.1A charger on my Atrix 4G for the 2+ years I owned it and still on the original battery that will last me an 18hr day. You don't do anyone favors talking about stuff you don't know anything about.
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It's already documented that other chargers charge the phone faster. HTC included a slow charger for a reason. You don't know more about battery technology then they do. Fast chargers are like $5 for us on amazon. htc can buy them for a $1. There reason is not cost. Why do you think HTC inclduded the charger they did.
There is no perfect battery with unlimited recharge cycles no matter how perfectly designed. Fast charging won't cause you device to explode, but it will accelerate the regular degradation process.
Htc knew people would complain about slow charging, so they allow other chargers to charge the battery faster on case by case, even if it means degradation (slight to moderate) of the battery over time.
You read more about fast charging vs slow charging in the battery geek forums.
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I'd love to hear where your "simple" comment comes from? Facts, please. I will withhold my view until you can state sources... (Hint: heat will be the only factor in a properly designed system)
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It comes from my own knowledge and experience. These are facts. If you choose not to believe them that's fine. And yes, I mentioned heat if you look back. And no, these are not properly designed systems.
The HTC One definitely takes a while to charge. What’s interesting however is that the charge curve gets the One to 85–90 percent under the normal 3 or so hours, it’s that last ten percent that takes forever. I also have confirmed that Qualcomm’s Quick Charge is not being used on the HTC One, for whatever reason, possibly to maximize compatibility with the portable USB battery chargers that are now proliferating. The PMIC is there, it just isn’t enabled. My guess would be that HTC wants to prioritize battery longevity and minimize any even potential extra wear since the battery on the One is sealed inside.
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source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6747/htc-one-review/3
told ya =)
I have noticed that my phone charges super slow. A few times, while only surfing the web, my battery % went down while plugged into a wall charger. With the phone off, it would charge about 1% every 2 minutes. Surfing the web this morning for 15 minutes made absolutely no difference in battery %. I started when it reached 63% and 15 minutes later it was still 63%. I am using my old HTC charger, which was super fast with gs3. I dont know what the deal is. Can anyone do some testing? Screen brightness was at 50% while browsing.
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I have noticed that my phone charges super slow. A few times, while only surfing the web, my battery % went down while plugged into a wall charger. With the phone off, it would charge about 1% every 2 minutes. Surfing the web this morning for 15 minutes made absolutely no difference in battery %. I started when it reached 63% and 15 minutes later it was still 63%. I am using my old HTC charger, which was super fast with gs3. I dont know what the deal is. Can anyone do some testing? Screen brightness was at 50% while browsing.
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What's the amperage of the charger? Might not be enough for the G3 and its monster screen. The charger it comes with (based on what I'm seeing online) is 1.8 Amps.
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What's the amperage of the charger? Might not be enough for the G3 and its monster screen. The charger it comes with (based on what I'm seeing online) is 1.8 Amps.
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I swear mine is 1A. The htc charger is also 1A
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I swear mine is 1A. The htc charger is also 1A
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I'd double-check that if I were you. It should be much higher than that otherwise (as you're seeing ) it would take forever to charge the battery. I believe the Optimus G Pro was 2.1 A so I think the 1.8 A I was seeing online sounds about right for the G3.
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I'd double-check that if I were you. It should be much higher than that otherwise (as you're seeing ) it would take forever to charge the battery. I believe the Optimus G Pro was 2.1 A so I think the 1.8 A I was seeing online sounds about right for the G3.
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Ill doble check after work. I ordered a few new charging cables, one is 22awg charge only and the other is 24awg charge/sync. Maybe getting a few extra chargers would be a good idea. Does it matter if i get anything above 1.8A?
First thing to test would be trying the lg oem wall charger with the stock cable that came in the box. if it still doesn't charge properly then I would do a factory reset. I remember this issue when the N5 first came out and a factory reset fixed it
I got so many cables that in not sure which one came with the phone. I did get 2.1A charger just a bit ago.
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I got so many cables that in not sure which one came with the phone. I did get 2.1A charger just a bit ago.
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I'm using the one from my G Pro (2.1A) and haven't had any problems with this phone or my last. Charge times are great and it's got a nice long cable.
The factory one is 1.8A which means it will take less than 2 hours to go from 0 to 100%. This however is dependent on what the phone is being used for during rid time. I've used a 2.0A charger without issue and both work fast. So if my math is correct to go from 0 to 100% will take ~100 minutes, thus 1.8A => ~30mah is charged per minute.
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Also I checked on qualcomms website, and the max input rate SD801 SOC can charge at is 2.0A
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I have a lot of issues charging with different cables and USB power sources. The stock cable works best on the stock charger, but also charges very fast on my Asus ultrabook with USB3.0 ports designed for charging.
Using basic cables in my car or on various other chargers/power packs, I get HORRID charge times. Do we need to get special cables or what? I bought a 2-amp charger from Sprint, and that cable also works wonderfully. Though for some reason the stock LG cable + 2.1-amp charger in my car can BARELY increase my battery % while driving. I have GPS and data running the whole time.
What concerns me is when I first bought the phone, it would charge just fine on ALL of my cables and power sources. It's like it got more picky over time, and I fear it's from that janky USB connection. The port seems offset, just as many others have reported here.
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I have noticed that my phone charges super slow. A few times, while only surfing the web, my battery % went down while plugged into a wall charger. With the phone off, it would charge about 1% every 2 minutes. Surfing the web this morning for 15 minutes made absolutely no difference in battery %. I started when it reached 63% and 15 minutes later it was still 63%. I am using my old HTC charger, which was super fast with gs3. I dont know what the deal is. Can anyone do some testing? Screen brightness was at 50% while browsing.
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Have you ever figured out the slow charging issue? This is killing me. I love my G3 but I'm really considering selling it.
My phone is plugged up and it showed 19%, somehow it dropped down to 18%.
OuncE718 said:
Have you ever figured out the slow charging issue? This is killing me. I love my G3 but I'm really considering selling it.
My phone is plugged up and it showed 19%, somehow it dropped down to 18%.
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yes, it was both combination of usb cords and wall chargers. looking for a post i created in the accessories forum. it lists what items worked while i was testing them.
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yes, it was both combination of usb cords and wall chargers. looking for a post i created in the accessories forum. it lists what items worked while i was testing them.
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I used the OEM LG USB cord with my girlfriend's Galaxy S5 charging brick and it seems to work amazing. I guess the real culprit is the OEM charging brick from LG.
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I used the OEM LG USB cord with my girlfriend's Galaxy S5 charging brick and it seems to work amazing. I guess the real culprit is the OEM charging brick from LG.
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That wasn't the case with me. The original charger was the only one that can charge at 1.8a. All 2.1a that I got weren't even close. I bought 2 more g2 chargers and 3 kopi wires. Now there no issues. I want to try kopi wall charger. So far, their cords and car chargers are the only that actually work well.
I timed mine the other day and it charges a just over 1% per minute so slightly quicker than my Oneplus One and a fair bit quicker than my M8 all using their own chargers that came with the phones.
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I timed mine the other day and it charges a just over 1% per minute so slightly quicker than my Oneplus One and a fair bit quicker than my M8 all using their own chargers that came with the phones.
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mine is about the same. 0-100% takes about
edit, about 120 minutes, not 80
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mine is about the same. 0-100% takes about 80 minutes
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Impossible to do, when using the stock charger that is...
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Impossible to do, when using the stock charger that is...
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stock charger and cord. same happens with stock cord and g2 charger and with both g3 and g2 chargers with kopi cord.
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stock charger and cord. same happens with stock cord and g2 charger and with both g3 and g2 chargers with kopi cord.
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No. Simple math, 3000 / 1800 = 1.7. So 1.7 hours is the absolute minimal charging time, without any losses, which you will always have.
Also 80 minutes is simply impossible.
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No. Simple math, 3000 / 1800 = 1.7. So 1.7 hours is the absolute minimal charging time, without any losses, which you will always have.
Also 80 minutes is simply impossible.
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ya, i made a mistake, its about 120 minutes.
Anyone else notice that with the supplied charger charging ins't what it should be. My iPhone 5 charged almost twice as fast as this phone. I find it kind of annoying. I did order one of these chargers hoping that solves the issue.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HPTU00E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
The supplied charger is charging rapidly no doubt.
I guess not less than 1% per minute - particularly when below 70%..
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The supplied charger is charging rapidly no doubt.
I guess not less than 1% per minute - particularly when below 70%..
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No its not. Especially when your using the phone and its on 5% plugged in. Takes forever to reach 6%.
I'm having literally no issues with charging from dead to 25% in about 15 minutes. 2 hours to 100% im very happy with the speed of charging and this is using my m8 charger as the m9 one is still sealed in box.
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No its not. Especially when your using the phone and its on 5% plugged in. Takes forever to reach 6%.
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I went with this one and it working like a champ, 30% to 100% in 50 min
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QTJZ3D0/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I've been using the GS4 charger, with a high output cable. The Samsung charger is 1.5A where the HTC m8/m9 charger is 1.0A
the supplied charger is definitely giving 1.5 amps to mine. charges up pretty quick. with a quickcharge 2.0 charger it's crazy fast to charge.
One thing to note is it will take a faster charge the lower the battery level is, which means more heat. if you're also gaming with it, you could be bumping against the battery charging cutoff temperature. I only ever saw this happen on my Tegra HOX+. IIRC HTC has the notification LED blink in alternating green and orange/red when this happens. I'm guessing you would have mentioned temperature in the OP if this was the case, but I figured I'd bring it up.
gonzo237 said:
The Samsung charger is 1.5A where the HTC m8/m9 charger is 1.0A
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Just spread your arm, pick whether HTC M8 or M9 charger, and read upon it.. 8)
Both M8 and M9 chargers are - 1.5 Ampere.. furthermore both handhelds are charging fast - otherwise if the cable is a problem..
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Just spread your arm, pick whether HTC M8 or M9 charger, and read upon it.. 8)
Both M8 and M9 chargers are - 1.5 Ampere..
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Sorry, meant it was 1.5a for HTC and 2.0a for the Samsung one. Didn't have them on hand to check.
iPhone 5 battery is 1,440 mAh... M9 battery is 2,840 mAh. 50% charge of Iphone battery doesn't equal 50% charge of M9 battery, in terms of charge time.
I believe the rate of charging to decrease while you use it to prevent the phone from overheating. (My M8 does this as well)
My stock charger is fast, and my quick charge 2.0 is crazy fast.
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No its not. Especially when your using the phone and its on 5% plugged in. Takes forever to reach 6%.
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If you are using your phone and charging at the same time, it will take longer to charge....
as someone who had a nexus 6 with turbo charging. this is bad. charging is so slow.
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If you are using your phone and charging at the same time, it will take longer to charge....
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I got a qualcomm 2.0 charger and now its super fast.
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I got a qualcomm 2.0 charger and now its super fast.
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Yeah, this. I got an HTC Rapid Charger 2.0 for it just to be sure since I knew with certainty it's Quick Charge 2.0. In retrospect perhaps not the best move considering I'm essentially incentivising HTC for not including one in the box from the get go, but whatever.
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No its not. Especially when your using the phone and its on 5% plugged in. Takes forever to reach 6%.
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Yup i got the same issue gonna take me 6-11hrs to charge and its very slow charging
I had a similar problem to OP. The second night I had my phone I plugged it in at 11 pm with about 5% battery left and went to bed. At 5:15 the next morning (6 hours later) it was only at 85%. I can't tell if there's still a problem or I just think there is because I'm paranoid about it now. I haven't run my battery down that low since, and looking at the charge current with Ampere seems somewhat inconclusive. I may have to run it down and then keep an eye on it while charging to see what's going on.
Something IS wrong with SOME M9 phones (I think)
I have one of the "bad" ones. Mine takes hours and hours to charge, whether on the cable and plug that came in the box, or on any others that I have around - some I know are 2 Amps. I think there is something seriously wrong with some of these phones, based on what I am reading in this thread, and on my own example. I have had my M9 for just a few days.
I'd like to post a follow up to this thread after having the phone for a couple of weeks now.
I've had several occurrences where my phone didn't fully charge overnight. The worst was a few days ago, I plugged it in at 5% and the next morning (6-8 hours) it was at 1%, it actually lost charge. I noticed before unplugging it so I looked at the history in Battery Widget Reborn and it showed the battery level just slowly dropped from 5% to 1% without any jumps or dips. The battery icon at the top of the screen showed it was charging but it died at that point so I didn't get a chance to open Ampere.
I think it's the charger (and/or the cable) that came with the phone. I've tried several other chargers that have all worked reliably:
- The QuickCharge 2.0 charger that came with my wife's S6 charges my phone really fast.
- I have a Kmashi external battery that also seems to charge it relatively quickly.
- Two older chargers that are several years old (both rated 5 volts at 0.7 amps) charge it from around 30% to full in 3-5 hours.
At first I thought it might have been a wakelock problem, but the battery has been dropping so slowly when the phone is just sitting in my pocket that I'm confident now that it's not wakelocks. I don't know if HTC is likely to send a replacement, but I'm going to stop into the Verizon store that I got the phone from to see if they'll replace it.
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My phone is also odd when charging.
Half of the time it takes 6 hours or more to charge. If I look at GSAM battery monitor it shows a charge current of around 350mA. If I then unplug the charger and reconnect after 15 seconds I get over 1300mA charging current, most of the time. (It takes GSAM a while to show an accurate reading). Occasionally it will take a few tries to get it right. Once I get a good reading over 1300mA the phone will charge in 1.5 hours like it should.
Something very buggy about this phone's charging circuit. I get the same behaviour with all chargers and cables, even my battery bank.
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Anyone else notice that with the supplied charger charging ins't what it should be. My iPhone 5 charged almost twice as fast as this phone. I find it kind of annoying. I did order one of these chargers hoping that solves the issue.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HPTU00E/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I use a 2A tablet charger from my hp touchpad. Charges from dead to 100% in 45 minutes.
I've had my Nexus 5x for a couple months now, I bought it through amazon refurbished. (My girlfriend has the same device, she bought hers brand new. Her's is the international model though) Here's a listing of the charging cables, and chargers that I have:
Anker Quick Charge 3.0 and USB Type-C 24W USB Wall Charger http://amzn.to/2mitz3n
Anker A to C 6ft cable http://amzn.to/2lbw2HW
Anker 24W Dual Port Charger http://amzn.to/2mx16Tt
(I bought the a to c cable to be able to connect to pcs or whatever, and the charger i had for my Nexus 5 and other micro usb devices.
Standard Google Charger https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_18w_power_adapter
Obviously the middle item there doesn't charge at full speed, it isn't intended to. But my charge rate using any of those devices is still over all over the place within each of those items specifications. So it isn't likely that is a cable or charger issue which is normally the issue when someone has charging rate problems. yes i know the charging rate slows down as it reaches higher percentages to prevent over charging and other types of battery damage.
My phone can be down to 20% battery when I plug it in and it could start charging at 110mA or 2000mA+. Whatever rate it is though, it isn't going to stay that way for very long. If it starts low, then it might work its way up into the 700-900s slowly or to around 1000mA. If it starts up high 2000mA it'll likely start working its way down slowly into the 1000-1800mA range.
Sure charging at slower rates helps the battery to last longer, but when i have no control over this, and at times it discharges faster than it is even charging it is bad. I can actually deplete battery sometimes, if its charging while video chatting. Albeit very very very slowly, but still. The battery life and range seems to be very good aside from this charging issue. The connection port on the phone seems really quite solid as well and wiggling the cord doesn't seem to affect the charge rate as best as I can tell.
My girlfriends 5x charges in about half the time that mine does, or sometimes its even worse, i just have to pay attention to what it is doing when i plug it in. So my question is, is this a battery problem or is there something else going on with the phone? What is it that throttles the charge rate down as the battery % gets higher? Is there a chance this could be faulty and causing it to be all over the place like this? Any ideas about this would be very helpful thanks in advance.
Ps: I really do love the device, it works great, I have no issues with it beyond the charging rates that can be all over the place. I can go from 10% battery to 75% sometimes in half an hour or so. Then i get times where it takes well over an hour for that much.
(I use ampere to measure the charge rates)
Charge rate goes down with higher battery temperatures. Let the device cool down a bit before plugging in, also keep the screen off to allow it to charge at full speed.
The charge will also slows down as it fills up, the last 10% will take the longest.
bblzd said:
Charge rate goes down with higher battery temperatures. Let the device cool down a bit before plugging in, also keep the screen off to allow it to charge at full speed.
The charge will also slows down as it fills up, the last 10% will take the longest.
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I appreciate you taking the time to respond, since you are the only one thus far. But as I said I'm aware of the charging slowing down for those reasons, and I've got another device to compare to. It isn't the same, and the device isn't hot.
There is no problem with your battery. The phone is badly designed. Unfinished SoC combined with a small battery and a big screen. Your money is better spent on something else.
Sinistersky said:
There is no problem with your battery. The phone is badly designed. Unfinished SoC combined with a small battery and a big screen. Your money is better spent on something else.
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He's not talking about battery life. He's talking about charging times.
Personally, no issues with charging here. Always goes 15% to ~90% in 60 minutes with the stock charger.
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EeZeEpEe said:
He's not talking about battery life. He's talking about charging times.
Personally, no issues with charging here. Always goes 15% to ~90% in 60 minutes with the stock charger.
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"...So my question is, is this a battery problem or is there something else going on with the phone?"
Also, I have no problems charging it either.
Sinistersky said:
"...So my question is, is this a battery problem or is there something else going on with the phone?"
Also, I have no problems charging it either.
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Yet you talked about unfinished SoC and small battery. ? If anything, small battery would be charging faster.
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Sinistersky said:
"...So my question is, is this a battery problem or is there something else going on with the phone?"
Also, I have no problems charging it either.
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I don't have any issues with my battery discharge rate. For what it is, and what I use if for I'm happy with it. And from what I've read about the usages from others I think I have no issues there compared to others. I'm just referring to the charging rates, the way it charges
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Yet you talked about unfinished SoC and small battery. ? If anything, small battery would be charging faster.
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But due to an unfinished and rushed SoC, it doesn't charge faster. The charge rate of this device is limited to 40% of it's intended charge rate.
Sinistersky said:
Your money is better spent on something else.
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Fairly pointless comment considering I've got one already, it isn't me asking if I should buy one. Point taken though that you aren't happy with the device
ideaman924 said:
He says he already owns the device. No point in telling him how poor his purchase decision was. And it wasn't that poor of a decision considering how good it is. It stands up fairly well to my abuse and the small screen is OK to grip.
OK, a serious question:
1. Charging speed is affected by Charger (the thing that plugs into the wall), the Cable (how long or thick it is), and the Battery (how hot, how full it is). This is the basic, moving on.
2. Sometimes the C port is buggy and doesn't correctly detect the maximum amount that a cable+charger combo supports. Download Ampere or some other current measuring tool like GSam (although I never bother with GSam, Ampere is awesome), and make sure the max amperage is 3000 mAh. Anything lower than that means you have a low-powered charger, a less-than-optimal cable, or a hot or near-full battery. I recommend plugging it in at around 50% to make sure the near-full charge speed drop doesn't affect anything during your tests.
3. If that doesn't work, replace the battery. Final line advice.
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He's already using Ampere to measure and has 3 chargers to compare with.
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To power up, you consume Red Bull. But your phone just needs its adaptive fast charger. Rate this thread to express how quickly the Moto E4 Plus can charge. A higher rating indicates that it charges extremely fast.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
phone is taking 6-7 hours to chrge how to fix this? done factory reset & system update
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saalam said:
phone is taking 6-7 hours to chrge how to fix this? done factory reset & system update
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are you using original charges because mine take usually 120 min to full charge .
using stock charger
jrkraj said:
are you using original charges because mine take usually 120 min to full charge .
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yes i'm using stock charger since i purchased this phone. still not fixed this problem it takes almost 8mins to charge 1%:crying::crying::crying:
saalam said:
yes i'm using stock charger since i purchased this phone. still not fixed this problem it takes almost 8mins to charge 1%:crying::crying::crying:
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Make sure the charger you received has the output at 2A. I've seen some come with 580mA (I don't know why.). It should be 2A, and charge quickly.
this is the specification found from charger
INPUT:100-240V-50/60Hz 0.3A
output :5.2v---2A
please tell me it is correct specfication if not or not
saalam said:
this is the specification found from charger
INPUT:100-240V-50/60Hz 0.3A
output :5.2v---2A
please tell me it is correct specification if not or not
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That's correct. I don't know why it's taking so long to charge for you. It should charge a lot faster. I put mine on the charger at 48%, and it was at 93% an about an hour. Maybe it's a defective charger, or even something wrong with the outlet. Does it happen on all outlets you plug it into?
yes i have tried all outlet but same effect on every outlet!
my friend have the same device it does not have any problem at all. so i thought exchanging charger now i have to wait to until the battery is empty.
hope this will work
Fast charging or quick charging can be affected by either the wall charger or the cord itself. Since the specifications on the wall charger look correct I would suggest try another cord.
A lot of the ones you buy at say a gas station, or a grocery store or just poor crappy cords, and only really meant for charging and not even data throughput, just your "basic" charging cords, meaning no fast charge or anything so it can take forever to charge your phone.
I had this issue where had a Samsung fast charge wall charger, that I use on every phone I get, and yes it does work on every phone I have tried it on, so I know it does fast charge.
What I ran up against was the cord being the problem, I went thru like 2-3 different cords before I found one that worked right, and it took me near a month of frustration and trying things before I finally figured out it was the cord, not the wall charger.
I have the same problem too, my moto E4 plus take more than 4 hours to charge (20%--->100%)
I use too the original charger and cord.
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What's up fellas? I just got one of these yesterday and it's having some serious charging issues. In my case, it's not the charger, it's the phone. I think the problem is that I just got it and I'm not leaving it alone while charging. Too much setting up going on and stuff like that. Not to mention, I'm a Real Racing 3 junky. When the phone gets hot it slows down the charging to try and stay cool. My 2 amp charger is working fine, but the charge rate the phone is allowing is only around 300-400mAh when it's hot. I was wondering if one of you guys who's phone is charging very fast could try charging it under stress and see if it slows down like mine does. If yours still charges fast while hot, then I'll know that mine is defective and I'll take it back. One quick and easy way to tell is with the Ampere app. I actually made a little review/tutorial for it on YouTube if you'd care to check it out. Anyway, I'd sure appreciate if one of you could let me know if I need to exchange this one. Thanks a lot guys. By the way, I know it's not the charger because it's putting out 1800mAh when I plug it into my S5. Thanks again.
https://youtu.be/DbAfAl0QTEo
My e4+ took 2 hours with the 10 watt (AC) fast charger that came in the box with it. I'm using a much slower DC USB 2.0 charger in my vehicle and it normally stays status-quo while charging. I can go a solid 4 days between charging, but I normally re-charge the device while I sleep.
I have been using moto e4 plus from last three months and it usually takes 1.5 to 2 hours to charge 100%.
Hope It helps.:good::good:
My moto e4 plus suddenly stops charging at 80% i put it there for half an hour then I change the outlet,then it charged very fast 80-100 in 20 mins..What is the reason behind this?