I'm currently using an S8+ which I really like but my main gripe is that it closes apps in the background to frequently. I have a game that I'm in all day but once it gets to be the 4th or 5th app previously used it gets closed and when I go to reopen it from recents it starts the app from scratch. I don't mind when it happens to Discord or other chat apps which take less than 3 seconds to load but when it's a game it can be 10+ seconds to load.
Previously my OP3T didn't do this. My game could be the 10th app back and would still be in memory. It's a daily/hourly annoyance.
I was curious how the Pixel 2 XL is handling recent apps memory management and was hoping someone could test and let me know.
Many thanks
I'm guessing it would be very dependent on which app is loaded as each app requires a different amount of ram. Which game are you playing?
Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes, usually also have Slack, Discord, Messages, Chrome, and maybe another few apps in memory. No issues on the OP3T or the Pixel XL so I am assuming it wouldn't be an issue on the XL2 but I dunno how things are being managed in Oreo.
I knew that was how Samsung did things so I'm not complaining about it I'm just hoping it would be another incentive to move to the XL 2.
I've been meaning to give that game a try anyway. I'll install it and let you know in a bit here.
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It took me over 20 apps before it finally forced a reload of the game. For reference, fitbit, flipboard, drive, fit, audible, authenticator plus, blockfolio, changes, simplenote, Android sleep, steam, youtube, yunmai, ynab, calendar, docs, powerapps, destiny, play store, play games, chrome, gmail, hangouts, and discord. A lot of these are smaller easier apps so I'd say we are looking at 10 or so medium sized apps before a reload is forced.
awesome! thank you @amlwaycooljr
at least for me, memory management feels as aggressive as my old s8+. Dont' recall it being this bad on my old pixel 1. Wonder if its due to some oreo tweaks? If you play games or use like chrome and a few messaging apps, expect everything to refresh fairly frequently, especially compared to 6gb+ ram phones. one of the biggest bummers for me personally.
Memory management has been getting worse for me. For the past few months Chrome and Youtube in particular are pretty bad with pages and videos refreshing in the app while I'm using them. I usually don't even use that many apps at once.
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Android is praised for having 'real' multitasking. But why does it have to 'suck' on a phone with 1GB memory?
Chrome starts to reload 3-4 tabs only if it's the only app 'opened' (of course there are other background services. but I don't have much running services, map, google messaging service, keyboard, )
I think it could also be problem with app. app not releasing memory resource when goes to background.
But it's really annoying to see that apps activity needs to be created again from scratch after opening a few apps.
Please discuss your opinion here.
Bayint Naung said:
Android is praised for having 'real' multitasking. But why does it have to 'suck' on a phone with 1GB memory?
Chrome starts to reload 3-4 tabs only if it's the only app 'opened' (of course there are other background services. but I don't have much running services, map, google messaging service, keyboard, )
I think it could also be problem with app. app not releasing memory resource when goes to background.
But it's really annoying to see that apps activity needs to be created again from scratch after opening a few apps.
Please discuss your opinion here.
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No problems here..
try to avoid apps with high memory usage, one being the Facebook app
crixley said:
No problems here..
try to avoid apps with high memory usage, one being the Facebook app
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I don't have facebook running as I've said earlier. I don't even have it installed.
But I"m still not convinced that it's the BEST android multitasking could have. it's too aggressively killing background activity..
Bayint Naung said:
I don't have facebook running as I've said earlier. I don't even have it installed.
But I"m still not convinced that it's the BEST android multitasking could have. it's too aggressively killing background activity..
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Get autokiller from the market and adjust the settings then. You want lower numbers in the app to allow more applications to stay active. Note that some apps might just kill background memory use, there's nothing you can do about that one.
Doing this might make your phone more laggy. You need to decide for yourself what the best trade-off is for you.
When exactly does it do it? I have 5 tabs open and I'm good! Is it after a while of inactivity?
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I have never noticed this issue.
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When exactly does it do it? I have 5 tabs open and I'm good! Is it after a while of inactivity?
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It's not a refresh (like refresh web page), I think it's just re-rendered from the cache..
even though I'm android fan, I'm jealous how iOS manage to run pretty well for daily use with 512MB... probably dalvik JIT is culprit here?
I personally think this is a problem with chrome and this is the reason I don't like chrome because it runs a constant large service at 70+ mb at all times which takes away from general multitasking of the phone. My guess is this is related to your problem. Persistent services on android are rather powerful and when one is too large it has detrimental effects. Maybe others don't experience this with chrome, but I did, and that's why I stopped using it.
Yes, chrome is worse than stock browser.
Stock can maintain usually 4-5 tabs easily without reloading.
Hopefully Google could do something with both chrome and improve OS multitasking capability.
like if i want to make it like a system app so it wont goo when i clear ram thanks
Don't clear ram. It's unnecessary. Android is meant to run with little free ram. Clearing it often will only hurt your battery life from apps having to reload when you start them, and create lag. ?
I always clear my recent apps, especially after playing games, doesn't make my phone lag.
But it is very annoying when you're playing a game, come out to look at other stuff then have to reload the game. Biggest flaw in Android in my book.
I'd be interested to know if there's anything to force an app to stay in memory running.
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But it is very annoying when you're playing a game, come out to look at other stuff then have to reload the game. Biggest flaw in Android in my book.
I'd be interested to know if there's anything to force an app to stay in memory running.
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Same here. I like to play escape games, like Doors and Rooms, and often times I need to pop out and use a calculator. (because I'm too lazy to multiply four numbers in my head...) It would be nice to use the calculator on the phone without risking losing all of my progress...
On the other hand, my math skills have definitely improved as a result of having to use the built-in memo function in the game as a scratch pad.
Only going to recovery and clearing cache helps for few days then it's back to slower.
I use Clean Master to clean junk etc... I have a 32GB memory card however It's working perfectly fine.
So I don't think it's corrupt
I also use Nova Luncher
I close apps I don't use as well , I had this problem with Galaxy S4.
Help me out guys.
Main apps I use:
Facebook
Clash Of Clans
Play All Access Music
Chrome Beta
the usual normal apps, some apps I have moved onto SD-Card
I have about 80 apps in total about 30 are moved to SD-CARD
EDIT: cleared cache again, works perfect now again.
Your question is for the DE phones?
ronaldheld said:
Your question is for the DE phones?
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no regular version non-developer
Mine started that way. Android (linux) unlike windows is designed to use up unused RAM, so don't waste time on app killers. In time it will learn apps you use most and will make use of your memory. Should see less lag with more use. Clear active apps on occasion when needed plus clear active apps.
App killers will do you more hurt than good & hurt battery
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To follow up, i had camera lag & others. Been 2 weeks now just dealing with it & rebooting phone if bad. I have no more issues with lag.
Worst case, disable apps you don't use or get Greenify from markets, it's crystallizes apps to prevent startup (unlike appkillers) reducing memory consumption!
Good day all!
Just received my 4Gb/64 ZF2 yesterday. Coming from Xperia Z3.
I think I'm liking it enough. Need to try a different launcher, but most importantly, I want to get rid of some of the pre-installed apps (Jawbone Up, etc.) but don't want to root (and I need kw I'll get a bunch of replies telling me to do so, but I just don't want to)
That being said, has anyone started a list of apps that are safe to disable in the Settings>Apps menu?
I tries search, but couldn't find anything.
Maybe we can start a list with my post and build on it:
Jawbone UP
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Maybe we can start a list with my post and build on it
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I went through and uninstalled almost all the third party apps, as well as a bunch of the ASUS apps.
I haven't yet come up with a list (been a busy weekend), but most of the ones you can safely remove should be pretty easy to spot.
i'd like a list as well if anyone has the time, these apps are intimidating lol
I'll be doing a full wipe very soon. Testing some SysUI changes, as well as getting rid of other things to make it cleaner.
I'll have a solid list of base apps very soon.
Can anyone confirm any apps that can be removed?
So far i can confirm that freezing asus launcher will disable the smart cover notifications from displaying properly. Everything else has been fine so far
I have removed those apps and I have no problem and almost 3 gb ram free.
The actual name might not be the same because mine is in Greek.
Google play books
Google play music
Google play games
Google play magazine
Google play movies
Gmail
Google plus
Mirror
Amazon kindle
Asus support
Bbbler actors
Do it later
Clean master
Dr.safety
Free HD games
Hang outs
My asus
omlet chat
Party link
Trip advisor
Web storage
what's next
Zen circle
Zen talk
Zinio
Damn that's a lot of bloatware haha didn't realized I removed so many crap until just now.,all I earned is 2.7-3 gb free ram some space in rom and about 15 to 20 min more on screen time
Edit: now that I think of it the 20 min more on screen time might be because my battery settle down after 4 charges . My on screen was 3 hours and about 20 to 30 mins now I get 4 hours with 24% battery left,all at normal with only the location off.
My phone just lags for 5 seconds or so after taking a picture with the new Pixel camera app.
If you are seeing similar behavior, pls think about upvoting / staring the reported issue.
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/118393019
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My phone just lags for 5 seconds or so after taking a picture with the new Pixel camera app.
If you are seeing similar behavior, pls think about upvoting / staring the reported issue.
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/118393019
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I get your issue.
My intent is not to belittle. or start a war of words.
My question is why would it be expected for Google to be concerned about the performance of an application that was "improperly" ported over to hw it hasnt been made available to yet?
What is the goal?
BTW I have the P3 app and am not experiencing any issues v6.1.013.216795316 if it makes a difference.
Magisk over Stock
Luinwethion said:
My phone just lags for 5 seconds or so after taking a picture with the new Pixel camera app.
If you are seeing similar behavior, pls think about upvoting / staring the reported issue.
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/118393019
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The reason is very simple. The Camera use a lot of RAM and RAM is not enough on Pixel 2 XL (or 3)
Right after reboot, I usually have 1.4G of RAM. and after some use, the available RAM will stay around 900MB. Most time when camera APP starts, the available RAM will drop to 300~400M where the phone will struggle and try to kill a bunch of background service, app, etc. This creates the lag and unstable.
The only way to regain all this mess is a reboot.
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I get your issue.
My intent is not to belittle. or start a war of words.
My question is why would it be expected for Google to be concerned about the performance of an application that was "improperly" ported over to hw it hasnt been made available to yet?
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Idk what you are talking about, the Google camera app was updated to all pixels via the Play store.
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The reason is very simple. The Camera use a lot of RAM and RAM is not enough on Pixel 2 XL (or 3)
Right after reboot, I usually have 1.4G of RAM. and after some use, the available RAM will stay around 900MB. Most time when camera APP starts, the available RAM will drop to 300~400M where the phone will struggle and try to kill a bunch of background service, app, etc. This creates the lag and unstable.
The only way to regain all this mess is a reboot.
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Ram usage isn't a bad thing, free ram is wasted ram, and I get that the camera app uses quite a bit of memory, after all, taking a HDR pic means taking a couple of pictures, saving the raw (~40mb per pic or so) in ram and merging it in to a single picture. But 4GB should be enough for this, and the phone shouldn't stutter not should it be closing apps that were recently open, it should be cleaning stuff that's longer inactive.
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Idk what you are talking about, the Google camera app was updated to all pixels via the Play store.
Ram usage isn't a bad thing, free ram is wasted ram, and I get that the camera app uses quite a bit of memory, after all, taking a HDR pic means taking a couple of pictures, saving the raw (~40mb per pic or so) in ram and merging it in to a single picture. But 4GB should be enough for this, and the phone shouldn't stutter not should it be closing apps that were recently open, it should be cleaning stuff that's longer inactive.
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I'm guessing parakleet assumed you were using the recently ported camera app by a dev that enables Night Sight for P2's. That feature hasn't yet been optimized or enabled for phones other than P3's. If you are just using the stock camera app from the Play store using HDR+ or enhanced for a single picture, then no the phone is not supposed to lag and you have a genuine issue. Is the phone getting warm at the same time? If you are taking multiple HDR's close together then maybe... Mine only lags a bit processing Photospheres, but not long. You may start with resetting the camera app settings (or all app settings). Make sure you wipe the camera app data.
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The reason is very simple. The Camera use a lot of RAM and RAM is not enough on Pixel 2 XL (or 3)
Right after reboot, I usually have 1.4G of RAM. and after some use, the available RAM will stay around 900MB. Most time when camera APP starts, the available RAM will drop to 300~400M where the phone will struggle and try to kill a bunch of background service, app, etc. This creates the lag and unstable.
The only way to regain all this mess is a reboot.
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Please read up on Linux memory management.
Luinwethion said:
Idk what you are talking about, the Google camera app was updated to all pixels via the Play store.
Ram usage isn't a bad thing, free ram is wasted ram, and I get that the camera app uses quite a bit of memory, after all, taking a HDR pic means taking a couple of pictures, saving the raw (~40mb per pic or so) in ram and merging it in to a single picture. But 4GB should be enough for this, and the phone shouldn't stutter not should it be closing apps that were recently open, it should be cleaning stuff that's longer inactive.
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I never said RAM usage is a bad thing. I just said what I observed on my phone which behavie very similiar to OP. My 2 XL struggls when the built-in camera running and since I have memory monitor app showing me real-time memory usage status, I can see the 2 XL's RAM become extreme ly (~300M) and my background app (including launcher) got killed all the time.
What you said above is what is INTENDED. But what I said is the real world result.
If you own a 2XL, just use it for couple of hours (this never happens after fresh reboot), then run camera app, taking 2 pictures, then return to launcher, then open camera app and taking some pictures. You will see this real world issue.
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nomisunrider said:
Please read up on Linux memory management.
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I believe your reply is neither helpful nor correct. Although Android is based on Linux but Android havily turned the memory management parameters and are running with millions app combinations on millions of machines (phone) with millions of different usage pattern, network status.. The behavior of each phone is bound to be different. What works on one phone is not guaranteed on the other.
Answer like yours assuming other people is lessk nowledgeable on certain topic then yourself is not a good thing on XDA, we are here helping each other here, try to find out answer together.
This is real world, not just some theory nor design guild line. And sure, I do know one thing or two about Linux memory management.
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And sure, I do know one thing or two about Linux memory management.
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This is the problem. You just need to do a small amount of reading to understand why looking at free/available memory is not that useful. 5 minutes of reading is all it would take.
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This is the problem. You just need to do a small amount of reading to understand why looking at free/available memory is not that useful. 5 minutes of reading is all it would take.
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Still not helpful. Sigh....
If you cannot provide any useful answer to OP or my real world situation, then please do not reply to this thread further. You are wasting our time.
If you are here just to judge the knowledge of other person you don't know at all, then please leave this forum. You are just being a troll. (a polite one, I admitted though.) We don't need troll here.
I do hope moderator can close this thread since this is getting ridiculous. OP and I have problem on 2XL's camera app issue which might related to memory management issue but troll like you insist we need to read some text book while not providing any explanation nor solution.
And to answer your question, yes, I did read the Linux memory management logic and I also read/experiment a lot more than just that. "Free RAM is bad RAM" is a myth that only applicable in certain situation like data server, since their primary function is providing data and caching data stored in slower disk in RAM is a really a good strategy.
However in modern phone, people not want only data, we want to switch between unspecified APP thus it's important to also have app cached versus data cached (also the data we want is usually changing on the cloud). Beside, Android memory management (at least on my 2 XL Pie) has a arguable bad habit of killing a bunch of even persistent app while available RAM is lower than 350MB (based on my observation). Instead of process my immediate request (the camera app), the phone spend a lot of time killing all other apps which causes the problem of slow performance on my 2XL as well as an explanation on OP's problem.
If you have better explanation or solution please provide, if not, please just shut up.