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[Q] Z3 User interested on a LG G3

Hey xda
I have a Xperia Z3 Black (1 Week old)
And i saw the LG G3 in a review and now im kinda interested in it.
What do you think ?
Should i switch ?
What are the Cons so far from your aspect ?
Im a poweuser im doing
-LOTS OF MANGA READING
-Lots of news reading
-Listen to a lot of music
-And i often like flashing new roms and mods
-Using it very often so battery is important too but if i can switch it i will buy 1 extra battery
whats not important
-camera
-waterproof (i dont need it)
thanks and regards your
RainbowSix

rainbowsixpro1 said:
Hey xda
I have a Xperia Z3 Black (1 Week old)
And i saw the LG G3 in a review and now im kinda interested in it.
What do you think ?
Should i switch ?
What are the Cons so far from your aspect ?
Im a poweuser im doing
-LOTS OF MANGA READING
-Lots of news reading
-Listen to a lot of music
-And i often like flashing new roms and mods
-Using it very often so battery is important too but if i can switch it i will buy 1 extra battery
whats not important
-camera
-waterproof (i dont need it)
thanks and regards your
RainbowSix
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Now we have BUMP, so very soon LG G3 will be a monster.
If i was you i will not ask that question, just do it.

well my two last device was from sony the xperia z and the mighty z ultra so i don't have the z3 but i knew sony device.
well we can start fron the material a sony is much better
we can go on with stock interface and sony is a lot better
but for all the rest the g3 is a beast
now with the new rom/mod, i use Androidhd 1.6 the 2 major issue of the g3 are solved.
the issue are the battery drain, well is not a powersaver device but with it's fantastic 2k display it's impossible to do better, i'm not an intense user bur from i buy the g3 stock to now with the new 1.6 android hd rom the battery last for me the double and for me is enought to have a nearly 2 days device but this depend to many personal use.
the second issue was the microlag/refresh of the lg stock luncher, well i use apex now not stock but also in stock this issue is gone.
the camera is a good quality smartphone camera, fast as hell in focus and with the right photo app, i use lg xcam, it's a good everyday camera.
the display is fanatstic, when play 2k or 4k video give very rich detail and a great deepness, seems nearly a 3d, you see the different position of the subject as in real life.
the audio quality is good and with viper become very good.
i use the quickcircle case and for me is great idea, you can answer a call, read text message, shoot a photo without opening the case and do more.
i use also the g watch and for me i great duo.
i forget an other isssue that some people report, the signal reception, well for me is not an issue , yes if you look the signal bar it gos from minum to max very often but i haven't had no signal lost or lost call.
so in the end is the best smartphone in value for money and it has the better screen i ever see and when the developer will have the possibility to have some bump image this g3 will be a masterpiece foe a long time

I'd keep z3. I havent yet tested one,but from what ive read:
Better battery
More ram (depending on version of g3).
Better performance
Basically its better and newer device. The big plus of g3 is its screen to size ratio. The biggest downsize for me is QHD. It ruins the experience. To summarize... We should swap!

rainbowsixpro1 said:
What do you think ?
Should i switch ?
What are the Cons so far from your aspect ?
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Well, that's interesting because many bash G3 to the point that it is not up to par with XZ3. They say it is worse than Z3 in battery life and interactive performance.
I would suggest to fast forward browse topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2772242 and seek for Xperia Z3 people's comparisons. Than borrow or buy somewhere G3, flash latest ROM, compare with your Z3 and tell us which phone you'll keep and which you return.

luca73n said:
well my two last device was from sony the xperia z and the mighty z ultra so i don't have the z3 but i knew sony device.
well we can start fron the material a sony is much better
we can go on with stock interface and sony is a lot better
but for all the rest the g3 is a beast
now with the new rom/mod, i use Androidhd 1.6 the 2 major issue of the g3 are solved.
the issue are the battery drain, well is not a powersaver device but with it's fantastic 2k display it's impossible to do better, i'm not an intense user bur from i buy the g3 stock to now with the new 1.6 android hd rom the battery last for me the double and for me is enought to have a nearly 2 days device but this depend to many personal use.
the second issue was the microlag/refresh of the lg stock luncher, well i use apex now not stock but also in stock this issue is gone.
the camera is a good quality smartphone camera, fast as hell in focus and with the right photo app, i use lg xcam, it's a good everyday camera.
the display is fanatstic, when play 2k or 4k video give very rich detail and a great deepness, seems nearly a 3d, you see the different position of the subject as in real life.
the audio quality is good and with viper become very good.
i use the quickcircle case and for me is great idea, you can answer a call, read text message, shoot a photo without opening the case and do more.
i use also the g watch and for me i great duo.
i forget an other isssue that some people report, the signal reception, well for me is not an issue , yes if you look the signal bar it gos from minum to max very often but i haven't had no signal lost or lost call.
so in the end is the best smartphone in value for money and it has the better screen i ever see and when the developer will have the possibility to have some bump image this g3 will be a masterpiece foe a long time
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Thanks for the big answer
I hate using cases and i dont use one on my Z3 either if it breaks i dont have a problem because i have something called advanced warranty (doesnt matter what i do with it will be repaired for free and all that just for 5 € per month)
foxracer89 said:
I'd keep z3. I havent yet tested one,but from what ive read:
Better battery
More ram (depending on version of g3).
Better performance
Basically its better and newer device. The big plus of g3 is its screen to size ratio. The biggest downsize for me is QHD. It ruins the experience. To summarize... We should swap!
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Screen to Size Ratio is something that i like about the G3
We should swap ? were are you from ?
Billy Madison said:
Well, that's interesting because many bash G3 to the point that it is not up to par with XZ3. They say it is worse than Z3 in battery life and interactive performance.
I would suggest to fast forward browse topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2772242 and seek for Xperia Z3 people's comparisons. Than borrow or buy somewhere G3, flash latest ROM, compare with your Z3 and tell us which phone you'll keep and which you return.
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I heard the battery life from the G3 is now close to the one from Z2/Z3 ?
If it lasts a day its okay for me
How is the handling of the phone without a case ?
The problem with the Z3, its really SLIPPERY like with a cable connect it fell from my table after some minutes i didnt even notice it till it made big bump noise
thx for all the answers

I got the LG G3 32 GB Titan Grey now

I wold have kept the Z3 for the simple reason it's newer and it would technically get more support if you wished to keep it for longer.

What's your opinion on the g3?

I wish we lived near each other. Because I'm interested in the Z3. I'd swap with ya so we both could test drive each other's devices...
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esimon311 said:
I wish we lived near each other. Because I'm interested in the Z3. I'd swap with ya so we both could test drive each other's devices...
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IT'S OVER 9000!!
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Yo man lol sold my e980 for this d850 .... You running one ? Which variant ...
2SHAYNEZ

LG-D850 AT&T model...
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Nice :thumbup:
2SHAYNEZ

rainbowsixpro1 said:
Screen to Size Ratio is something that i like about the G3
We should swap ? were are you from ?
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I'm from Poland, so close, but still troublesome. I can go through the hassle if you are up for it too.

esimon311 said:
I wish we lived near each other. Because I'm interested in the Z3. I'd swap with ya so we both could test drive each other's devices...
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9000 lol
America and Germany is quite distance haha
Will D855 even work in USA ?
shayneflashindaily said:
Nice :thumbup:
2SHAYNEZ
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YES.
foxracer89 said:
I'm from Poland, so close, but still troublesome. I can go through the hassle if you are up for it too.
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That would be too much trouble...
I found a guy like in the next city he gave me LG G3, Wireless LG Thing to Charge, Circle Case with QI and everything sealed so only phone reset and good to go
with warranty !!!!
Too late, but thanks

Had the Z3 for a couple weeks and swapped it for an LG G3...a few things I noticed...
Z3 has awesome battery...I could
go 2 nights without charging and still by the 3rd day I was on 30% with moderate usage.
Z3 build quality is a lot better...fit and form top class...and the screen is really nice, especially outdoors
Z3 interface is FAST. Butter smooth. G3 is a little bit laggy and I noticed it more coming from a Z3 but doesn't really bother me now.
Z3 cons - I didn't like the long shape and top bottom bezels...way too big...speakers are a bit quiet too but it is stereo and front facing.
Z3 - there was (and currently still is) no supported root for it without loosing your DRM keys. Without the DRM keys your low light camera performance is terrible. Not worth it for me.
Z3 is a lot more pricier... Although waterproof I found it more annoying - as the flaps to charge via micro usb, you have to keep doing/undoing.
LG G3
A lot easier to MOD/root/update (currently). I like the size a lot better, more natural shape. Fits better in hand.
With some tweaking LG battery not *too* bad though, and you get the spare battery swap out option. I might be able to push 2 days with the G3.
Screen quality not as good as the Z3 (esp. outdoors), but still decent...I love the thin bezels and design of the G3.
Honestly I can't really notice the QHD resolution difference but I notice more the bigger sized screen with better ratio.
G3 is a fair cheaper for IMO as good a handset (as good as with different positives and negatives compared to Z3)

colche said:
Had the Z3 for a couple weeks and swapped it for an LG G3...a few things I noticed...
Z3 has awesome battery...I could go 2 nights without charging and still by the 3rd day I was on 30% with moderate usage.
Z3 build quality is a lot better...fit and form top class...and the screen is really nice, especially outdoors
Z3 interface is FAST. Butter smooth. G3 is a little bit laggy and I noticed it more coming from a Z3 but doesn't really bother me now.
Z3 cons - I didn't like the long shape and top bottom bezels...way too big...speakers are a bit quiet too but it is stereo and front facing.
Z3 - there was (and currently still is) no supported root for it without loosing your DRM keys. Without the DRM keys your low light camera performance is terrible. Not worth it for me.
Z3 is a lot more pricier... Although waterproof I found it more annoying - as the flaps to charge via micro usb, you have to keep doing/undoing.
LG G3
A lot easier to MOD/root/update (currently). I like the size a lot better, more natural shape. Fits better in hand.
With some tweaking LG battery *too* bad though, and you get the spare battery swap out option. I might be able to push 2 days with the G3.
Screen quality not as good as the Z3 (esp. outdoors), but still decent...I love the thin bezels and design of the G3.
Honestly I can't really notice the QHD resolution difference but I notice more the bigger sized screen with better ratio.
G3 is a fair cheaper for IMO as good a handset (as good as with different positives and negatives compared to Z3)
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Your just right about EVERY fckn point here !
I had a magnetic cable for Z3 so no problem opening the flap
and screen is not as bright on the Z3 but still okay to use...
G3 Lags but next updates will help
BUT i have reception problems with G3 is there an update/fix for that ? im on L FW

I had the same dilemma, especially considering how much cheaper the G3 is right now. Honestly though, I know they improved the UI on the G3 but on my LG 8.3 pad it is just a cluttered mess.

M9, S6, N6 or G4? What should I buy?

Which one should I buy?
Really like the front speakers from HTC and Nexus 6. But dont know what is the best choice overall.
Here in my country the price of them are very similar.
Thanks.

If you are looking for a crack-flasher phone with no bugs on custom ROMs, Nexus is the way to go. If you want a nice audio experience, M9 it is. If you want a DSLR-like camera, G4 is your weapon. And if you want the more mainstream, less dev friendly but overall awesome device, GS6!
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Csetoue said:
Which one should I buy?
Really like the front speakers from HTC and Nexus 6. But dont know what is the best choice overall.
Here in my country the price of them are very similar.
Thanks.
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What else are you looking for?

sezamer66 said:
If you want a DSLR-like camera, G4 is your weapon.
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Nice joke....

Cryosx said:
What else are you looking for?
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My last phones were Moto X and HTC M8.
I loved them both.
Moto X had a horrible battery life, and I gave it to my wife, that was in need of a phone.
My M8 was perfect, but I though that, as the Moto X, had a bad camera... Really smooth, excelent battery life, and a nice front speaker. I forgot my M8 on the top of my car, while I was putting my baggage on it.
I saw S6 and G4 on the store. Pretty nice phones, but I dont know if the their android will keep smooth after installing my stuff like it was on M8 or Moto X.
G4 has a nice camera. I like cameraphones (had also a Nokia 808, before). But when I travel, I always take my dSLR with me. G4 would be a nice pocket cam, but doesnt have front speakers (I always watch ytube videos and use loudspeaker for calls - like to have my hands free while in my workdesk).
My first smartphone was a Galaxy S1, and my wife has a tablet Note 2014. Im a bit traumatized with touchwiz. Too laggy. Before I bought them both, they looked awesome and smooth on the store. I felt a bit tricked by Samsung, and never bought nothing else from them after these products.
Nexus looks like a big Moto X. Better battery life, better camera, but its a bit huge, and its not 64bits (I think it may have a lesser longevity cause of that than the others). Probably, its smooth, and it has front speakers as well.
Im really tempted to buy M9, but the all the reviews tell that its camera is worse than the M8 camera, and its front speakers is also worse than those from M8's. Dunno If its battery life is better or worse (can anyone tell me?) than M8's battery. Also, dunno if, after installing some apps, it keeps smooth and quick as M8 (can anyone tell me about this, too?).
Really in doubt about what to buy. My friend told me to take a look on Sony Z3, and my other friend told me to keep waiting for the incoming gadgets (but Im without any smartphone, bad bad ).
Help.

Csetoue said:
My last phones were Moto X and HTC M8.
I loved them both.
Moto X had a horrible battery life, and I gave it to my wife, that was in need of a phone.
My M8 was perfect, but I though that, as the Moto X, had a bad camera... Really smooth, excelent battery life, and a nice front speaker. I forgot my M8 on the top of my car, while I was putting my baggage on it.
I saw S6 and G4 on the store. Pretty nice phones, but I dont know if the their android will keep smooth after installing my stuff like it was on M8 or Moto X.
G4 has a nice camera. I like cameraphones (had also a Nokia 808, before). But when I travel, I always take my dSLR with me. G4 would be a nice pocket cam, but doesnt have front speakers (I always watch ytube videos and use loudspeaker for calls - like to have my hands free while in my workdesk).
My first smartphone was a Galaxy S1, and my wife has a tablet Note 2014. Im a bit traumatized with touchwiz. Too laggy. Before I bought them both, they looked awesome and smooth on the store. I felt a bit tricked by Samsung, and never bought nothing else from them after these products.
Nexus looks like a big Moto X. Better battery life, better camera, but its a bit huge, and its not 64bits (I think it may have a lesser longevity cause of that than the others). Probably, its smooth, and it has front speakers as well.
Im really tempted to buy M9, but the all the reviews tell that its camera is worse than the M8 camera, and its front speakers is also worse than those from M8's. Dunno If its battery life is better or worse (can anyone tell me?) than M8's battery. Also, dunno if, after installing some apps, it keeps smooth and quick as M8 (can anyone tell me about this, too?).
Really in doubt about what to buy. My friend told me to take a look on Sony Z3, and my other friend told me to keep waiting for the incoming gadgets (but Im without any smartphone, bad bad ).
Help.
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If you're upgrading from M8, be prepared for the differences to be very subtle. I did this but was expecting basically the same phone only with some minor/under the hood improvements. And this is exactly what the M9 is. I loved the M8 and I love the M9 more, but it's probably only about a 10% improvement.
What carrier are you on? If your carrier doesn't already have a direct path to the 2.X firmware, I'd either get the developer edition or budget an extra $25 to obtain S-off. I'm att and couldn't imagine having to wait for them to give me an update. I think they finally pushed lollipop to the M8 in freaking March or April.

Csetoue said:
My last phones were Moto X and HTC M8.
Really in doubt about what to buy. My friend told me to take a look on Sony Z3, and my other friend told me to keep waiting for the incoming gadgets (but Im without any smartphone, bad bad ).
Help.
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The M8 is at least $300 on eBay so its half the price of the high end right now. I'd tell you to go get another M8 and save some money. Comparing it to the M9, the M8 has better battery life with a much more battery efficient processor that keeps the phone relatively cool. The performance difference between the S801 and S810 is negligible, you're just not likely to notice. Daylight shots should be better on the M9 whereas night shots are better with the M8. Speakers are somewhat better, Dolby surround stuff is pretty nice. In terms of development M8 is leagues better right now. I'd highly recommend skipping this generation and waiting for the new Nexus, HTC Hero device coming later this year, or the M10 next year.
There also a noticeable difference between the M8s screen and the M9s. If you liked the M8s you might not like the M9s.

All these flagships are pretty nice, and all of them have possible problems:
-S6: Pink tint on white, Board traces under sunlight, exploding battery, illogical TW
-M9: Screen wake lag (will be fixed by OTA), QC 2.0 that not always work, cracked camera glass (though still a minority)
-G4: Touchscreen issue (could be fixable by OTA), leather backs can loose color quite fast, huge lack of roms
On the good sides:
-S6: Very good camera both low light and daylight, gorgeous screen (when you don't have the listed faults)
-M9: Gorgeous camera in daylight (RAW) , Superb music, Fastest UI ever, quality Roms, best UI and apps (Sense 7)
-G4: Gorgeous screen, Superb camera in both daylight and low light, faster UI than S6
All of the 3 have advantages and cons, now see which one fits you better!
For example if you prefer larger screen the G4 is more suitable

jollywhitefoot said:
If you're upgrading from M8, be prepared for the differences to be very subtle. I did this but was expecting basically the same phone only with some minor/under the hood improvements. And this is exactly what the M9 is. I loved the M8 and I love the M9 more, but it's probably only about a 10% improvement.
What carrier are you on? If your carrier doesn't already have a direct path to the 2.X firmware, I'd either get the developer edition or budget an extra $25 to obtain S-off. I'm att and couldn't imagine having to wait for them to give me an update. I think they finally pushed lollipop to the M8 in freaking March or April.
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Cryosx said:
The M8 is at least $300 on eBay so its half the price of the high end right now. I'd tell you to go get another M8 and save some money. Comparing it to the M9, the M8 has better battery life with a much more battery efficient processor that keeps the phone relatively cool. The performance difference between the S801 and S810 is negligible, you're just not likely to notice. Daylight shots should be better on the M9 whereas night shots are better with the M8. Speakers are somewhat better, Dolby surround stuff is pretty nice. In terms of development M8 is leagues better right now. I'd highly recommend skipping this generation and waiting for the new Nexus, HTC Hero device coming later this year, or the M10 next year.
There also a noticeable difference between the M8s screen and the M9s. If you liked the M8s you might not like the M9s.
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vegetaleb said:
All these flagships are pretty nice, and all of them have possible problems:
-S6: Pink tint on white, Board traces under sunlight, exploding battery, illogical TW
-M9: Screen wake lag (will be fixed by OTA), QC 2.0 that not always work, cracked camera glass (though still a minority)
-G4: Touchscreen issue (could be fixable by OTA), leather backs can loose color quite fast, huge lack of roms
On the good sides:
-S6: Very good camera both low light and daylight, gorgeous screen (when you don't have the listed faults)
-M9: Gorgeous camera in daylight (RAW) , Superb music, Fastest UI ever, quality Roms, best UI and apps (Sense 7)
-G4: Gorgeous screen, Superb camera in both daylight and low light, faster UI than S6
All of the 3 have advantages and cons, now see which one fits you better!
For example if you prefer larger screen the G4 is more suitable
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Thanks, guys!
Im in Brazil.
Here, the price are:
- M9 US$750
- G4 US$700
- S6 US$700
- N6 US$700
- Note 4 US$650
- M8 US$600
- Z3 US$600
- Z3C US$450
- Moto X US$400
If I could, I would wait for the next gen from HTC (the one named Hero).
But Im without any smartphone right now.
Id like to buy something that could lasts for the next 2 years.
Still, hasnt decided, yet. Have to make this until the next weekend.

I'd get the M8 over the M9. If you're bored with HTC phones then maybe try the Z3 compact. Battery life on that is supposed to be amazing. Not sure about anything else with the compact though.

Anyone here came from Sony Z3?

Anyone here came from Sony Z3?
Was it worthy?
Thanks

Csetoue said:
Anyone here came from Sony Z3?
Was it worthy?
Thanks
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Came from Z3 compact, and, yes, more than worth it. Great phone the G4.
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academicbarzo said:
Came from Z3 compact, and, yes, more than worth it. Great phone the G4.
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Why? Everything is better? Is it smoother? What about battery life? Thanks

Csetoue said:
Why? Everything is better? Is it smoother? What about battery life? Thanks
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Smoother, better screen, battery life similar in my usage situation (plus battery is swappable), much, much better camera (auto and manual).
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Coming from Z3 to G4 from 3 weeks
Z3 with international firmware:
- Screen is less bright (less nits) than Z3 and it is difficult to read text under sunlight
- Audio is louder than dual channel in Z3
- Battery is very weak, it is the phone that lasts me less than other I had (Z3 and Note 4 were beasts in battery life)
- Camera is very very good, much better than Z3 BUT photos are oversharpened and there's not a good timeshift or timelapse
- Ergonomy is very good, Z3 was more little to handle but G4 wins
- Smoothness is better in G4 than Z3 but both are slower than other phones I tried (1+1, Nexus 5, Xiaomi Mi4, HTC M8 (the best))
Change from Z3 to G4 if you would take better photos and listen to music in the bathroom (where sound power is the best feature you need).

I used the Z3 (D6603) previously. "Is it worth it" is a bit subjective, but here's my two cents anyway.
I much prefer the look and feel of the Z3 to the G4. The Z3 is a very attractive device, and the build feels very solid in your hands. The G4 feels like any other plastic device you've ever held. If you've played with a Samsung device prior to the GS6, then you know how the G4 feels. The leather back helps a bit, but it still doesn't make me feel like I'm holding $500 in my hand.
I like the camera, and I find that the camera is better than the Z3. There are far more options in manual mode, and the Auto mode doesn't take shots that look like they were from a 2010 flip phone, like the Z3. If you aren't using Manual Mode on the Z3, you are pretty much guaranteeing a terrible picture. The G4 offers a lot more in the way of lighting adjustments, exposure settings, and balancing options. There's also RAW support too, if you're into that.
Software wise, LG's skin is pretty ugly, and I wish they would just stop. Sony did a pretty good job of keeping things reasonable and attractive with their skin. Neither one is a lightweight skin, and there are heavy modifications to the Android framework on either side. This mostly affects root and Xposed options in regards to what works and what doesn't.
In terms of performance, I'd say the G4 is in the lead, but this isn't an apples to apples comparison, but the G4 is clearly a faster device. I prefer the thermal management on the G4 over the Z3, which heats up to uncomfortable levels when under pressure. I like that I can record more than 5 minutes of 4K video with the G4 without the camera app shutting down. I do miss the waterproofing of the Z3, and I actually brought my Z3 with me on a trip recently where I knew there would be splashing. I would have needed to keep the G4 in a plastic bag or something.
The battery life on the G4 is pathetic compared to the Z3. I was getting over 5 hours of screen time with no issues on the Z3, and I'd put it on the charger at night with 40% or so left. The G4 struggles to make it through the day with a full charge and 2-3 hours screen time. This isn't really bad battery life. It's more like average, but I was spoiled with the Z3. Having a spare battery to swap into the G4 is handy to fix this, though I'd rather that I didn't have to.
Overall, I wouldn't go so far as to say that I'm elated over the change, but it's a situation where you win some and you lose some. My opinion is "meh".

I came from z3 international.
Camera is a big plus. However the battery life is really not as good as the Z3, also Z3 software is closer to stock.
G4 feels better in the hand though - so I actually like it a fair bit more than my z3.

Csetoue said:
Anyone here came from Sony Z3?
Was it worthy?
Thanks
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From dual sim Z3, worthy yes in terms of battery life and screen on time but nothing else... Lg g4 is an upgrade in everything except for the battery section.
Still I prefer having a removable battery so it works for me ?
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Z play vs oneplus 3

I'm looking for a phone for my father and need to narrow it down
Priorities (in order):
Fast
Battery
Good and simple(not in the way) software
reliable manufacturer, customer support, and warranty
Camera
Don't really care about:
Rootablity / devs
Build needs to be solid and decent, but doesn't have to be too "premium"

I'm probably also going to get my dad this phone just because of the battery life. I doubt performance will be an issue with the Moto Z Play tbh.

Just got the phone and I'm quite impressed with its speed (comming from a Moto Maxx, Droid turbo but unlocked international version) Battery life has been amazing, right now im at 70% with 2h 41m SoT and 2 hours of strava (been on for 13 hours)
Camera is WAY faster and in my opinion better (at least focus wise) than my Moto Maxx.
Cant complain about anything.

Performance wont be as good as one plus 3 because moto z play uses a 625 chip wich is a mid ranger chipset
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this battery is awesome.. best battery life in world

StreetkillnHD said:
Performance wont be as good as one plus 3 because moto z play uses a 625 chip wich is a mid ranger chipset
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U can't notice any difference in performance between these two ..i used both device ..& i can say z play run any app & game buttery smooth.. 0 lag
Want build quality than go for moto always

I've just got a z play as a work phone,and it was between it and the OP3
In the end the massive battery life won it for me, and tbh, compared to my Pixel xl, the speed difference is hardly noticeable in day to day use
Its certainly as fast as my colleagues OP3 that's for sure
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I'm looking for a phone for my father and need to narrow it down
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The replies here are naturally biased towards the Moto Z Play. But since I had the same decision to make, tried both devices and ended up with the Moto Z Play, here is my feedback:
Priorities (in order):
Fast
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The OP3 is faster on paper and will beat the Moto Z play in just about any benchmark. If you're looking into 60fps gaming at ultra high settings over the next years, your search has to end here: the OP3 wins.
That said, the Snapdragon 625 is an amazing SoC and the Moto Z Play is not only blazing fast, it stays cool under just about all conditions. It's fast, really fast and never throttles. Most reviews will tell you that during regular use, any difference in speed to the current SD 820/821 flagships is almost imperceptible and they are absolutely right. So if day-to-day performance is a something you worry about: don't. Both phones master just about every smartphone task without breaking a sweat. The Moto Z Play is absolutely buttery smooth - always. It's also a perfectly capable gaming machine and there is no current game it can't play, but it will dip below 60fps if you crank up the details on the most demanding titles.
Battery
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No competition, the Moto Z Play is a battery monster - maybe the best on the market right now. It is effectively impossible to drain it in a single day of use. It will completely change the way you think about battery life and charging habits - it's an incredibly relaxing experience because battery life becomes a total non-issue with this phone. Do whatever you want with the phone all day and hook it up at night or quickly in the morning and you'll be good. Forgot to charge it one night? Not a problem, you'll still make it through the next day.
The OP3's battery life is fine, pretty much like any other flagship phone these days. You'll make it through the day most days but probably have to top it off once or twice on particularly demanding days. Luckily that's easily done via dash charge - it charges faster than just about any other phone.
Good and simple(not in the way) software
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Both are great and offer a stock-like experience. Moto is closer to stock Android, uses Google apps just about everywhere and offers the better, hardware-aided features. It's a Nexus-like experience with some very well thought out enhancements. Moto Display is to this day the best implementation of an ambient display by a wide margin. The worst thing about it: once you get used to it, it's really hard to ever go back to a non-Moto device - it's that great.
reliable manufacturer, customer support, and warranty
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Both devices offer excellent build quality, with the Moto Z Play having less known issues and a (historically) better quality assurance. But it hasn't been out long enough to say this for certain.
Both manufacturers offer terrible customer service if something goes wrong. OnePlus may be a little worse, but that's debatable and things may have even turned. Don't expect a great experience if you need to make use of the warranty.
Camera
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Both offer good cameras, but they can't compete with current flagships. They take excellent pictures under good conditions and suffer under low light. The OP3's camera is slightly better but not by much.
The things you'll get with the OP3: better, theoretically more future proof specs.
The things you'll get with the Moto Z Play: "Never even think about it again" battery life, Moto Display, Moto Gestures, Moto Mods, Moto Voice (all brilliant hardware features that can't be replicated by software on the OP3), expandable storage.

The One Plus 3 is better on paper but Moto Z Play will offer likely the same real-world performance which MUCH better battery life.

I'm glad I got this bad boy today. Returned that crappy V20 I had and got the droid force edition. Bigger battery and better camera. So far so good. Mine even came with the Incipio extended battery moto mod.
I had the OP3 and this seems better so far. Runs just as fast with ZERO LAG. Motorola did good with this device.
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Can anyone comment on the screen brightness outdoors for the OP3 and Moto z play?

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Can anyone comment on the screen brightness outdoors for the OP3 and Moto z play?
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Maximum brightness for both is similar, the OnePlus 3 is slightly brighter. Neither AMOLED display is as bright as your typical IPS display but outdoor brightness hasn't been a real issue for me with either one.
If outside brightness is truly important to you, look into phones with IPS panels.

A worthy replacement?

The Z Play is by far the best phone I've owned. It is fast, has a passable camera, the battery life is crazy (especially with the Moto turbo power pack) and the screen is very good too. I've been trying to find a replacement for the past 6 months, but nothing I've tried is a better all round package than this. The OnePlus 5 was nice, but the battery wasn't fantastic and screen wasn't as good. The iPhone 7 I just tried was a whole level below this in performance, screen and battery.
Have any Z Play users tried the Z2 play? If so, was it worth the upgrade. I want to upgrade as I like changing phones, but nothing really compares still!

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The Z Play is by far the best phone I've owned. It is fast, has a passable camera, the battery life is crazy (especially with the Moto turbo power pack) and the screen is very good too. I've been trying to find a replacement for the past 6 months, but nothing I've tried is a better all round package than this. The OnePlus 5 was nice, but the battery wasn't fantastic and screen wasn't as good. The iPhone 7 I just tried was a whole level below this in performance, screen and battery.
Have any Z Play users tried the Z2 play? If so, was it worth the upgrade. I want to upgrade as I like changing phones, but nothing really compares still!
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If I we're going to stick with the Z line, I'd go with the Z3 play rather than the 2.
But none of the newer Z phones feel like enough of an upgrade to me to make it worth the jump.
Based on what I've seen, the OnePlus 6T looks like the best next option to me. I've seen a bunch of screen shots showing 6-8h SoT with long day use, so while it's not up there with the Z play, it seems better than just about anything out there. Better camera is a bonus. I can live with no headphone jack. My biggest 'missing' feature is wireless charging. Price is definitely higher than the z line, but not by the huge margin it would take to get to an S9+ or pixel 3.

I am tempted by the 6T, no headphone jack does annoy me a bit though ...

I think to moto one power or moto z3 play next year when prices have gone down
Or a xiaomi , may be next redmi note pro, the note 6 pro was not really a big update vs Z play

The Z3 play seems to have rubbish battery life though. I do have the turbo power pack to use with it, but even so...
What's it like in terms of camera and speed? I'd rather stick to a Z line phone than go to the OnePlus 6T really, I just prefer these. My 2nd hand Z Play is faultless apart from a very slow camera app!
A brand new Z3 play just sold on eBay for £275, which is only a bit more than I paid for my used Z Play when I got it.

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The Z Play is by far the best phone I've owned. It is fast, has a passable camera, the battery life is crazy (especially with the Moto turbo power pack) and the screen is very good too. I've been trying to find a replacement for the past 6 months, but nothing I've tried is a better all round package than this. The OnePlus 5 was nice, but the battery wasn't fantastic and screen wasn't as good. The iPhone 7 I just tried was a whole level below this in performance, screen and battery.
Have any Z Play users tried the Z2 play? If so, was it worth the upgrade. I want to upgrade as I like changing phones, but nothing really compares still!
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Yup, same boat. At this point the only true upgrade without braking the bank would be a pixel 2 xl for the on-time updates, complete API support and truly superior camera and even then I would still get a bit less battery life out of it, Moto Z play truly is battery king.

I ordered the 6T yesterday, but got buyer's remorse and cancelled it. After only spending £231 on my Z Play, I don't really want to spend £529! Looking at used 6's on eBay, but the battery life seems a bit bad. I keep coming back to the Z2 Play... £199 brand new and I can keep using my turbo power pack. Is the performance much better? My Z play is getting a tad sluggish sometimes...

I ordered the 6T yesterday, but got buyer's remorse and cancelled it. After only spending £231 on my Z Play, I don't really want to spend £529! Looking at used 6's on eBay, but the battery life seems a bit bad. I keep coming back to the Z2 Play... £199 brand new and I can keep using my turbo power pack. Is the performance much better? My Z play is getting a tad sluggish sometimes...
If not, then a Z3 play comes up every now and then for about £275, but the design/functionality seems a bit weird to me
Then again, a 5T would probably be sufficient for my tasks nowadays. My Z Play only drops 20% on my usual work day during the week, so I can't image a 6 or a 5T will drop too much more. The big question is, is the 6 worth £100 more than the 5T currently is?
*** Double post - sorry!! ***

Waiting on the international release of the Nokia 8.1 plus (same hardware as the X7 in China)
Then I'll probably retire my Z Play.

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The Z3 play seems to have rubbish battery life though. I do have the turbo power pack to use with it, but even so...
What's it like in terms of camera and speed? I'd rather stick to a Z line phone than go to the OnePlus 6T really, I just prefer these. My 2nd hand Z Play is faultless apart from a very slow camera app!
A brand new Z3 play just sold on eBay for £275, which is only a bit more than I paid for my used Z Play when I got it.
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even if you did not have one already, keep in mind that it's packaged with a 2220mAh powerpack , in the box, so 5220 mAh

True.
I have done a bit more research and I think I'm going to go for a OnePlus 6 or 5T (whichever one comes up as a better deal) I think the lesser battery life is worth it for the bigger screen, better camera and better performance.
Plus, buying used means that if in 3-6 months time I decide I need better battery again, I'll just sell it and get a Z3 Play because OnePlus phones hold their value very well.

Update on this. I have now purchased a pristine OnePlus 6 128gb for £379 (bargain!) I'll let you know how I get on compared to the Z Play

Honestly same, I love my Moto Z Play. If it weren't for the bad experiences I've had a couple times with security patches and the lack of software support I'd stick with it for much longer. But there are other options now that make what this accomplishes seem sub par. Don't get me wrong though. This phone is stable to a fault and I've got a lot of battery life to boot with the power pack attached as well. But The weight, the storage limitations, sub 4GB RAM (which I wouldn't mind if 2 or 3 of my apps weren't so hungry for the stuff) and the aforementioned lack of software support is starting to become more apparent. I'm probably going to keep the phone as a trusty backup though but I think I'm going to save up for the top-end model of the OnePlus 6T because it seems to have everything I love about this phone give or take a few brand specific quirks swapped out (Moto Gestures for Oxygen gestures) plus a better camera and just more overall fluidity. It kinda annoys me too about the headphone jack but I've been mostly using my Sony WH-1000XM3s which support AptX HD and LDAC so I won't be missing it too much plus I'm probably gonna spend a bit extra for all the sense of security stuff plus a case and bullets wired for the sake of convenience. However I'm terms of how much I love the Moto Z Play I'd say it's earned a place in my heart right next to my Nexus 5.
It has also earned a place on my shelf next to the N5 as well lol (sadly the Nexus 5's screen recently shattered finally so thusly the MZP takes it's place as my trusty backup should anything go awry.)
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Honestly same, I love my Moto Z Play. If it weren't for the bad experiences I've had a couple times with security patches and the lack of software support I'd stick with it for much longer. But there are other options now that make what this accomplishes seem sub par. Don't get me wrong though. This phone is stable to a fault and I've got a lot of battery life to boot with the power pack attached as well. But The weight, the storage limitations, sub 4GB RAM (which I wouldn't mind if 2 or 3 of my apps weren't so hungry for the stuff) and the aforementioned lack of software support is starting to become more apparent. I'm probably going to keep the phone as a trusty backup though but I think I'm going to save up for the top-end model of the OnePlus 6T because it seems to have everything I love about this phone give or take a few brand specific quirks swapped out (Moto Gestures for Oxygen gestures) plus a better camera and just more overall fluidity. It kinda annoys me too about the headphone jack but I've been mostly using my Sony WH-1000XM3s which support AptX HD and LDAC so I won't be missing it too much plus I'm probably gonna spend a bit extra for all the sense of security stuff plus a case and bullets wired for the sake of convenience. However I'm terms of how much I love the Moto Z Play I'd say it's earned a place in my heart right next to my Nexus 5.
It has also earned a place on my shelf next to the N5 as well lol (sadly the Nexus 5's screen recently shattered finally so thusly the MZP takes it's place as my trusty backup should anything go awry.)
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I realized I digressed haha, just really love the time I've had with this.
Actual advice I'd say is a real toss up for good choices. I really don't like Apple as a company but as of recently I'd say the iPhone X is a pretty good value in terms of optimization but the OS and insistent use of the lightning connector as opposed to USB-C is a deal breaker for me. If those don't mean much to you however I'd say it's a pretty good option.
Huawei has seen similar optimizations in terms of hardware what with the new 7nm SoC soaking up much less battery and pumping out much more performance but I don't know much of their software support in terms of updates or individual app developers considering their devices. I've heard the firmware and camera are amazing though this time around. Again, from my POV the heavy skin is a bit much for me with too many things I wouldn't use personally.
I can't honestly recommend the Pixel 3 devices due to their questionable specs for the price unless all you're looking for is a DSLR camera with optional onboard editing software. But of course software support is amazing.
ANY of the gaming branded phones (Xiaomi Black Shark 2, Razer Phone 2, and the ROG Phone) aren't half bad values disregarding the lack of history for their lines so you won't know if they have good software support at all. The skins are all pretty heavy UI wise minus the Razer Phone 2. Of all of them though I've only seen the Razer Phone 2 in person and it's pretty sleek tbh.
Sony is a mixed bag, I can't think of a specific model off the top of my head but they're generally amazing in one aspect and maybe pretty good in a couple of others but then tank every other category so that's your gamble to take if you wish.
Samsung kinda takes the same page as Google in you're paying a bunch but you're getting that heavy skin on the UI (with some admittedly neat features like Ultra Battery Saver) meh update support, and a nice camera. The difference being that you're also getting a huge battery and more RAM options so it's not as bad a value as the Pixel devices.
Then last but far from least would be the current king of value (due to the Poco F1 DRM failure) which would be the OnePlus 6T. Buying new from OnePlus it's the same price set as the OP6 but the 6T has a larger battery and smaller notch not to mention the first considerably fast in display fingerprint scanner. Dash charging is already a good bonus considering it's one of the fastest charging technologies I'm the phone market. As far as I've seen the phone scores 10s all around (I don't know about speaker performance however) Topping it off with the fact the UI has everything I love about Motorola's tweaking plus a couple more things. Setting the settings and other context menus to black to save a bunch of battery, more options for screen calibration, optimized to be light on the processor and battery to keep it from running down in your pocket. Big downer however is the loss of our dearly departed headphone jack, it's unfortunate but OnePlus said it was time. On the upside however it includes the dongle, the dongle includes a DAC, and the BT codecs included aren't bad either. OnePlus also made a statement not long ago that they're essentially going to be giving their devices Pixel/Nexus-like software support roadmaps further supported by Google's new software support policy.
Ah and frosting on top; It's not $1,000 for 256GB storage, 8GB RAM, and a huge AMOLED panel but about $650
Even with a case/bullets bundle with all the added warranty/damage protection stuff it's still under $1,000 at about $816 so that's why I'm picking the 6T myself.
All those considered however it's largely you're decision what you're most comfortable with getting based off your own experiences and judgement. I just hope it's a purchase you'll wholeheartedly love

OnePlus 6 arrived today.
So far is seems pretty good, it is so quick.
Screen isn't as bright, it is quite dim up until 100%, but not terrible.
Can't comment on the battery yet, but it won't be like the Z Play.
Lovely big screen though! I'll update this in a few days

Update on this, a few weeks on.
Battery life is decent enough, I still get 1-2 days from it with my light usage, heavy usage gets about 7 hours SOT. I'd imagine the 6T is far better though.
It is very fast, I'm yet to notice any slow downs or lag at all, it does everything quickly.
The camera is a mixed bag.. the stock camera app I've found to be slow to capture, but GCAM fixed this. Quality of photos is decent, I still prefer my old Nexus 6P I think though, but this is definitely good enough for most people and if a big upgrade from the Z play.
The screen is fantastic, not as bright as the Z play, but it is lovely to look at.
I think I've covered everything that most people care about.
Overall, I am happy with the upgrade, I wouldn't want to go back to a small screen again I think. It isn't exactly incredible, but it seems to be a good all around phone. It isn't the best in any one category, but it is good in all of them!
The only thing I'd really like to be improved is the battery life, I miss not being about to guarantee 2 days between charges with heavy use!

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Update on this, a few weeks on.
Battery life is decent enough, I still get 1-2 days from it with my light usage, heavy usage gets about 7 hours SOT. I'd imagine the 6T is far better though.
It is very fast, I'm yet to notice any slow downs or lag at all, it does everything quickly.
The camera is a mixed bag.. the stock camera app I've found to be slow to capture, but GCAM fixed this. Quality of photos is decent, I still prefer my old Nexus 6P I think though, but this is definitely good enough for most people and if a big upgrade from the Z play.
The screen is fantastic, not as bright as the Z play, but it is lovely to look at.
I think I've covered everything that most people care about.
Overall, I am happy with the upgrade, I wouldn't want to go back to a small screen again I think. It isn't exactly incredible, but it seems to be a good all around phone. It isn't the best in any one category, but it is good in all of them!
The only thing I'd really like to be improved is the battery life, I miss not being about to guarantee 2 days between charges with heavy use!
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Thanks for the follow up on this thread. I'm still on the fence. Had I caught the essential ph-1 deal for $170 on Black Friday that would have been it for me. Then I missed the Z2 Force for $99 yesterday - would have done that too.
Still bouncing around all the $400 - $500 phones. Currently leaning towards the Xiaomi Mi Mix 2s, but nearly impossible to find new with 128gb storage.
MZP is still just too good to let go - let's me be too indecisive about upgrades!

I nearly got an essential, but the average battery life put me off. I would say that for most people, it is worth stepping up the price and getting a 6T over a 6, just for the battery life (IMO). However, I am definitely not unhappy with battery life. It is probably on par if not a tad better than my old OnePlus 5

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I nearly got an essential, but the average battery life put me off. I would say that for most people, it is worth stepping up the price and getting a 6T over a 6, just for the battery life (IMO). However, I am definitely not unhappy with battery life. It is probably on par if not a tad better than my old OnePlus 5
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Yeah battery life was a concern for me - though I saw some fairly decent numbers on some of the threads here.
For me it's very much about "bang for the buck" when I get phones. MZP has been the best I've ever had in that regard. LG Optimus G and Moto E 2015 are right up there too.

My Z Play was £231 second hand, so not exactly a bargain, but stepping up to £370 for my OP6 was still a big step in the price. My Z Play will still get used very often as I switch between them frequently

https://www.xda-developers.com/moto-z4-play-leak-48mp-camera-display-fingerprint-sensor/
Finally a worthy replacement