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When you compare the mi5 and the OP3 we can notice that the audio quality of the mi5 is better. The mi5 uses integrated Qualcomm Aqstic audio codec which delivers high quality audio but my real question is, can we get the same audio on the oneplus 3 as they both have the same snapdragon 820 chipset? I dont have much knowledge about if it would work or not but if there is a possibility then we should try to port it.
You must be doing something wrong, the audio quality from the headphones from both these phones is near identical. Qualcomm Aqstic is a marketing gimmick as Qualcomm processors don't even use that good DACs to start with. The OnePlus 3 uses an NXP audio amp which I'm pretty sure the mi5 doesn't have an off board amp which makes it so that the OnePlus 3 can drive bigger higher impedance headphones. Now you probably have some sound enhancements enabled on your mi5 which CHANGE the sound not make it better. Look in your audio settings you probably have the Mi sound enhancement thing on
crzykiller said:
You must be doing something wrong, the audio quality from the headphones from both these phones is near identical. Qualcomm Aqstic is a marketing gimmick as Qualcomm processors don't even use that good DACs to start with. The OnePlus 3 uses an NXP audio amp which I'm pretty sure the mi5 doesn't have an off board amp which makes it so that the OnePlus 3 can drive bigger higher impedance headphones. Now you probably have some sound enhancements enabled on your mi5 which CHANGE the sound not make it better. Look in your audio settings you probably have the Mi sound enhancement thing on
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I don't own either of these phones, in fact I have an LG G4 and I am planning on buying either the mi5 or the oneplus 3. According to all the reviews the audio is better on the mi5 so I was wondering if we could port this on the oneplus 3. I don't know much about DACs or amps so I wouldn't really know but if the mi sound enhancement works on the mi5 then why couldn't we port that to the OP3?
If you plan to root the phone, install viper4android, best audio enhancement I've come across... Used it for the past 4 or 5 years on 3 or 4 devices now.
bozy09 said:
I don't own either of these phones, in fact I have an LG G4 and I am planning on buying either the mi5 or the oneplus 3. According to all the reviews the audio is better on the mi5 so I was wondering if we could port this on the oneplus 3. I don't know much about DACs or amps so I wouldn't really know but if the mi sound enhancement works on the mi5 then why couldn't we port that to the OP3?
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My brother has the LG G4 and this thing blows it out of the water in terms of straight sound quality no mods. The test done by GSMArena that shows it underperforms in the headphone area was before a sound quality software update i think 3.2.0 or w 3.2.1. it should be on par with the mi5 in sound quality at least. it can drive headphones very loud also so its not like the Galaxy S6 with very good sound quality but not loud at all
Hi I been reading about the great DAC in this phone and someone mentioned that some music apps don't actually take advantage of the DAC? Does anybody know which apps definitely take advantage of the high quality DAC in the phone and if so do I need to change settings to make they do? Thanks
In this phone every app takes advantage of the DAC. It's the Qualcomm aqstic codec which is integrated into the entire os unlike other phones you may find that have the standard (read ****ty Qualcomm integrated SoC DAC) and the extra (usually an ESS Sabre DAC). Often 3rd party apps on a phone like this don't utilize or poorly utilize this "optional" DAC and the only true way to get the best audio from these phones is to restrict yourself to the stock music app included on said phone. The issue with setups like this is not necessarily limited to phones but also to Android based DAPs. I love the 10. I've tested/owned almost every other android phone out there and this by far gives the best experience for me.
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In this phone every app takes advantage of the DAC. It's the Qualcomm aqstic codec which is integrated into the entire os unlike other phones you may find that have the standard (read ****ty Qualcomm integrated SoC DAC) and the extra (usually an ESS Sabre DAC). Often 3rd party apps on a phone like this don't utilize or poorly utilize this "optional" DAC and the only true way to get the best audio from these phones is to restrict yourself to the stock music app included on said phone. The issue with setups like this is not necessarily limited to phones but also to Android based DAPs. I love the 10. I've tested/owned almost every other android phone out there and this by far gives the best experience for me.
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Not true.
You're only using the built-in DAC and amplifier setup when you're listening to music via the 3.5mm headphone jack or built in boomsound speakers.
Anything that plays music via Bluetooth (or wirelessly) is not benefiting from the HTC 10's DAC or amplifier. Bluetooth devices have their own DAC (and sometimes amplifiers) to convert the digital 1s and 0s into analog waveforms that the human ear can pickup.
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In this phone every app takes advantage of the DAC. It's the Qualcomm aqstic codec which is integrated into the entire os unlike other phones you may find that have the standard (read ****ty Qualcomm integrated SoC DAC) and the extra (usually an ESS Sabre DAC). Often 3rd party apps on a phone like this don't utilize or poorly utilize this "optional" DAC and the only true way to get the best audio from these phones is to restrict yourself to the stock music app included on said phone. The issue with setups like this is not necessarily limited to phones but also to Android based DAPs. I love the 10. I've tested/owned almost every other android phone out there and this by far gives the best experience for me.
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Thanks for great replies...I guess I have been reading posts about other phones where people have been complaining that certain 3rd party music apps arent fully utilising the DAC in the phones and are using the basic Qualcomm DACs... But nice to know that whatever app im using in the HTC 10 that I'm getting the best sound! Thanks!
Sunmisola said:
Not true.
You're only using the built-in DAC and amplifier setup when you're listening to music via the 3.5mm headphone jack or built in boomsound speakers.
Anything that plays music via Bluetooth (or wirelessly) is not benefiting from the HTC 10's DAC or amplifier. Bluetooth devices have their own DAC (and sometimes amplifiers) to convert the digital 1s and 0s into analog waveforms that the human ear can pickup.
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Hi I am Rupesh from India. I have music files upto 250 gb and so I am searching for best android phone to listen music. I am also searching for phone with memory card support upto 1 tb and greater.
Actually I love to listen music and so is there any android phone which provides rich experience in listening music and at the same time which has support upto 1 tb and greater.
I have some music files in opus format which are speeches and I have listened these in some Android mobiles like HTC, Motorola, redmi etc., and by listening some mobile's provided noise and I was unable to hear the speeches properly while others produced output from earphones with quality.
I am asking which is the best android phone which does best in processes like noise cancellation, volume normalization, replaygain, equalizer etc.,.
As I am not a photographer I am not bothered about camara and it's quality. What I am expecting is an android mobile at lowest cost and which provides high and rich quality while listening to music and at the same time external memory card support upto 1 tb and greater.
Is there any android mobile which has special processing unit for audio like there is separate processing unit for graphics ie., gpu.
Regards,
Rupesh.
rupeshforu3 said:
Hi I am Rupesh from India. I have music files upto 250 gb and so I am searching for best android phone to listen music. I am also searching for phone with memory card support upto 1 tb and greater.
Actually I love to listen music and so is there any android phone which provides rich experience in listening music and at the same time which has support upto 1 tb and greater.
I have some music files in opus format which are speeches and I have listened these in some Android mobiles like HTC, Motorola, redmi etc., and by listening some mobile's provided noise and I was unable to hear the speeches properly while others produced output from earphones with quality.
I am asking which is the best android phone which does best in processes like noise cancellation, volume normalization, replaygain, equalizer etc.,.
As I am not a photographer I am not bothered about camara and it's quality. What I am expecting is an android mobile at lowest cost and which provides high and rich quality while listening to music and at the same time external memory card support upto 1 tb and greater.
Is there any android mobile which has special processing unit for audio like there is separate processing unit for graphics ie., gpu.
Regards,
Rupesh.
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Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
Even I am interested in this. The specs talk about Hi-res audio. It has Dual 5-magnet speakers with dual NXP smart amplifiers and PMIC internal dual amplifier according to the specs. Does it really have a DAC or does it only have amplifiers. How is the sound quality. I would really like somebody to post their review.
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I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
Cheers
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Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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The sound is good but not on par with LG g6 for example. LG is way ahead in the sound part.
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I have both LG g6 and g7 but the Zenfone 5Z's sound is the best!!
5z doesn’t have any dedicated DAC as per few video reviews beebom or igyaan audio quality and amplification via headphone jack is not that great. I have a v20 with root and high impedance mode always on. I don’t think this phone compares to any of the recent LG flagships in terms of audio quality.The only place where 5z beats LG would be in the loudspeaker setup where 5z has stereo setup.
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I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
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I sincerely hope you weren't serious when you said you are an audiophile!
First of all, you can't rate any phone's DAC or AMP performance by using BT headset. Bluetooth headphones have their own inbuilt DAC that they use to process sound when they receive audio in the form of digital signal via Bluetooth from the phone. Then by using their internal inbuilt DAC they convert that Digital signal to Analog signal.
Second of all, are you even serious when you rate Huawei P20/P20 pro sound as great ? Huawei/Honor phones have one of the weakest audio performance out there. Puny amp, okayish DAC, nothing more. Similar is the case with P20/pro.
"P20 is a phone with a DAC !" Which phone isn't the one with DAC? Every phone has one. Some use inbuilt one inside their processors, some employ custom ones for better sound fidelity.
"DAC/DTS works for headphones too!" DAC doesn't work for Bluetooth headphones, it's just that 5z allows to change sound settings of Bluetooth headphones from phone's stock settings. It by no way means that phone's DAC is being involved in Bluetooth headphones. It's simply not possible.
And DAC and DTS aren't the same things either that they can be written interchangeably.
I hope it helps. I by no way mean that 5z has bad audio quality but just corrected some of the things that weren't correct.
I frequently use aux in my car and this is the first device that doesn’t make distortion in sound during high volume. I love it. My car sound system is like concert place now.
The whole Hi-Res audio thing is mainly just marketing and playback support, less to do with the actual quality of the DAC and amp. Nowadays most smartphones can play 24-bit audio at high sample rates (eg. 192kHz). Sony marketed that for many years but their phones kept using on-board Qualcomm DACs with low output voltage (~0.35V from Z5 to XZ Premium). I have the Z5 and I think it's audio quality is good for IEMs but it can't drive some larger headphones very well.
ASUS says there's smart amplifiers but those seem to be for the speakers rather than the headphone. PhoneArena did a review recently and measured the output voltage of the headphone jack to be only 0.252V! That's even lower than the Sony Xperia XZ Premium (0.36V). Of course it's not the end-all, but a higher output voltage would be better at driving higher impedance headphones.
Some users talk about EQ modes sounding better but these things can't improve the quality of the hardware's output (eg. distortion and stereo crosstalk). All they can do is alter the tuning to your preference.
The DAC on the 5Z is just ok ; not audiophile grade by any yard stick . It struggles with high impedance proper headphones like ATH
Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
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I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
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You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
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M30x ..
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Rahul 2007 said:
You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Yeah the DTS headphone X is a gimmick ..
I think there is presently no phone in the market which will come near LG V20, G6, V30 and G7 headphone audio performance, particularly with respect to driving high impedance ear/head phones. Actually, I am searching for another brand other than LG which will give a similar high end audio performance. I have a V20 and partnering that with my Sony MDR 7506 headphones or Venture Electronics MonkPlus earbuds (both having impedance around 60 ohms), the sound quality is awesome which I never found in other smartphones.
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Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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Just sold my LG v30+ due to screen ghosting issues and bought the 5z.
The DAC is good for headphones.
I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
All these phones are nothing compared to a vibe p1 on resurrection remix
I have LG v20 and in the hopes of gettin listening to mind-blowing awesome sound, I bought FiiO music player and I couldn't get satisfied on anything. Poweramp on LG always destroys low end or certain frequencies (usually male voice) when pushed a little hard and when not pushed, there's no low end to talk about at all. FiiO has no low end frequency at all.
The only thing that came have a little satisfaction was my good old Lenovo Vibe p1 on resurrection remix. Seeing how you guys are rating LG v20 as great or the best, is there something I'm not doing to get the best out of it? I've tried it on earphones, Bluetooth etc but it just doesn't cut it.
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I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
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May be it can drive .. but I find the audio fidelity not that great compared to even the A1 . Music just doesn't sound wholesome .
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i owned lg g6 and the 5z audio quality is not that bad by any means, it's quite OK by 2018 smartphone standard, with it's gimmicky features such as dtx, hi res audio support , etc.
the LG quad dac is the king in the smartphone audio for now, but again, the 5z audio quality is not bad, unless you are very picky about audio quality,
even lg g6 / v30 dac chip still can't compete with my iBasso dx150.
if you never use a true hi res audio player before, the 5z audio quality will be just fine for you.
even for me imho, it's good enough.
In the rare case that I can find a review on the sound quality of these devices, it's usually in regard to its amplifier. I'm using an external amplifier, so in my case it's actually the quality of the built-in DAC and its output stage that is relevant.
Are there any manufacturers of PX5 head units with a bigger-than-normal focus on audio quality?
I know that you can't expect miracles from these units, and car sound in general. But my speakers are fairly good (Rainbow Germanium, 3-way in the front, mid/bass drivers in the back), so I would like to try to squeeze as many details out of them as possible.
On the PX5 unit that I have, there are blank noise , all of this units have this isue. Maybe a unit whit DSP has a diferent sound.
One way of improving sound quality on px5 is to put DSP between the headunit and the amp.
There are other options discussed in mtcd threads.
If you are good with soldering you can add DSP to the motherboard.
I used Wadzio's mod and the improvement is noticeably better.
Read through mtcd software and hardware development boards. Then you can decide what is best way for you.
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