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So, I'm a little underwhelmed by the DAC on this phone. It's mainly the volume. My Note 2 with DAC tuning and V4A sounds much better and is much louder.
Assuming we get root, will we be able to tweak the audio down to the DAC level in terms of oversampling, tuning, etc? Would we just be stuck with V4A and other software based optimizations?
Ideally, I'd like a louder headphone jack that doesn't suffer from as much distortion when turned up. My main issue is that it just isn't loud enough for me.
I'm using Klipsch S4's and ATH-M50s. I do plan on adding a pair of RHA IEM's or another pair of full size cans.
I know that people are using external amplifiers successfully with the phone, but I'd rather not carry one around if I could squeeze more power out of the DAC post-root.
Thanks!
I think it would depend on whether its done at the kernel level or at the chip layer (either from a soft processor or actually part of the HDL code fabric). Then again I no know nothing about audio DACs so it might make sense for them to expose those level of hooks to the kernal or even software/rom layer since they're often times needing to be tuned to a speaker's performance for achieving a desired sound (hopefully).
If this fails maybe it might be worth adding a outside box DAC from Fiio (those are good, I have the same headphones, ATH-M50s, and they do improve the sound even with v4a especially if you're seeking higher audio volumnes) or maybe even an USB Audio DAC (I would suspect these are even better than analog <> DAC <> analog ones) which will newly be supported natively by Android L and maybe already by Samsung phones.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...-android-now-natively-supports-usb-audio-out/
Hope that might help, unfortunately I doubt we'll see the level of tuning capability that you're seeking. I don't really know much about qualcomm's audio DAC selection but those with exynos phones I know have those really nice premium ones. It's all up to the hardware's capability and for all we know qualcomm's DAC has some crappy sampling rates which will never be able to be improved on if you're looking for good audio directly out of the jack.
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I think it would depend on whether its done at the kernel level or at the chip layer (either from a soft processor or actually part of the HDL code fabric). Then again I no know nothing about audio DACs so it might make sense for them to expose those level of hooks to the kernal or even software/rom layer since they're often times needing to be tuned to a speaker's performance for achieving a desired sound (hopefully).
If this fails maybe it might be worth adding a outside box DAC from Fiio (those are good, I have the same headphones, ATH-M50s, and they do improve the sound even with v4a especially if you're seeking higher audio volumnes) or maybe even an USB Audio DAC (I would suspect these are even better than analog <> DAC <> analog ones) which will newly be supported natively by Android L and maybe already by Samsung phones.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...-android-now-natively-supports-usb-audio-out/
Hope that might help, unfortunately I doubt we'll see the level of tuning capability that you're seeking. I don't really know much about qualcomm's audio DAC selection but those with exynos phones I know have those really nice premium ones. It's all up to the hardware's capability and for all we know qualcomm's DAC has some crappy sampling rates which will never be able to be improved on if you're looking for good audio directly out of the jack.
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Thank you, definitely helps. The audio output on this phone did get some good numbers according to GSMarena. I'm hoping that it means further tuning is possible. I believe the HTC One has a crazy 2w audio jack that's both loud and clear and also utilizes the same DAC. Hopefully that's a good sign for the possibility of tuning on this phone.
I was considering a Fiio box. I just hate having to carry that thing around or keep it clipped somewhere. The native USB audio out in Android L sounds promising though. I'd assume that a smaller USB sized box would leave a little less of a footprint.
I think Samsung actually ended up losing a lawsuit due to hearing loss. I suspect that it may be a reason why the audio output on the Note 4 is intentionally crippled. Hopefully I'm right and hopefully it's reversible.
I miss the Wolfson DAC on my Note 2. That thing sounded incredible. I'm tempted to sell this and seek the Exynos version just for the audio output.
When you use your m50s directly from the audio jack and through v4a, are the volume and distortion levels and better when cranking it up?
Oh, I also think that a file exists on the phone that limits the decibel output on the headphone jack. It can be altered to a level of 63 vs the 56(ish) that it's currently set at. I remember doing this on my Note 2 and it helped with high volume distortion quite a bit.
Root, we need you root.
Guys What is your opinion about the headphone audio quality from op3? I know audio is subjective and it depends upon your listening equipment too but nonetheless share your opinion.
P.S - I know it's not better than HTC 10 but comparison with HTC 10 would be a good reference.
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Guys What is your opinion about the headphone audio quality from op3? I know audio is subjective and it depends upon your listening equipment too but nonetheless share your opinion.
P.S - I know it's not better than HTC 10 but comparison with HTC 10 would be a good reference.
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I didnt read anything about them mentioning a dac for the Oneplus3. Nevertheless, i still ordered it lol.
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I didnt read anything about them mentioning a dac for the Oneplus3. Nevertheless, i still ordered it lol.
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I see you have a HTC 10, please share your opinion once you receive the op3
I'll be getting one too, so I'll report about it. Unfortunately there aren't many, if any USB-C Portable DAC, if you wanted to use one to boost audio quality/performance.
I'm also wondering the same thing and it's basically what's holding me from buying the phone.
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I'm also wondering the same thing and it's basically what's holding me from buying the phone.
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It uses NXP Audio Amplifier. I had the review unit and did a teardown with one of my friends. The sound quality is Good via the headphone jack but it feels quite flat. You can fix this by Using V4A Or other EQs. It uses a Dirac HD Sound too.
As said, it uses the standard snapdragon 820 audio circuit and 24bit 192 kHz built in dac. As in the S7, audio is unexceptional (exynos version has wolfson derived Dac and is better but is said to still not be up to outboard Dac/amplifier quality).
Apps like viper and power amp will not help to increase sound quality. They may make things sound different but the limitations are hardware based. If anything, they put more strain on resources. Sure, if the pretty multi coloured lights appeal, use them. Otherwise you're better off with Google standard music player or something like black player.
If audio is of utmost importance go HTC/LG or outboard dac such as dragon fly.
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It uses NXP Audio Amplifier. I had the review unit and did a teardown with one of my friends. The sound quality is Good via the headphone jack but it feels quite flat. You can fix this by Using V4A Or other EQs. It uses a Dirac HD Sound too.
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can you tell me how to prove whether Dirac HD Sound is there or not as there is no app also as per their website Indian one it says for speaker optimization only
How's that in comparison to the iphone's ? I'm gonna buy that dope today
How is the Audio quality of Honor 8 pro via headphone jack ?
Nobody discuss it much
According to what I read on gsm arena, they said the quality isnt going to disappoint.
The quality is good, can't really compare to many other phones (not used their plug in much) but my last one, Sony Z2 (which had really good quality). I use the 8 Pro both with headphones and plugged into my car and the sound is good, proper bass and the volume goes much higher then you ever need. Also nice to have the jack on the bottom of the phone along with the speaker, because when you put it in your pocket, it will gather much less dirt when you usually put it "top first" in your pocket. This I noticed compared to my Z2
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The quality is good, can't really compare to many other phones (not used their plug in much) but my last one, Sony Z2 (which had really good quality). I use the 8 Pro both with headphones and plugged into my car and the sound is good, proper bass and the volume goes much higher then you ever need. Also nice to have the jack on the bottom of the phone along with the speaker, because when you put it in your pocket, it will gather much less dirt when you usually put it "top first" in your pocket. This I noticed compared to my Z2
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How will it be via audio headphone jack using normal earphones having 16ohm impedance ? Please reply. Am in a great dilemma
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How will it be via audio headphone jack using normal earphones having 16ohm impedance ? Please reply. Am in a great dilemma
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I can't really answer that question (don't know my headsets rating). My guess is that 16ohm will work just fine, isn't it a kinda standard rating?
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I can't really answer that question (don't know my headsets rating). My guess is that 16ohm will work just fine, isn't it a kinda standard rating?
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Yes.....most of earphones are 16ohm... Am choosing between LG G6 Vs Honor 8 pro . All specs are ok for me. Just I worry about audio quality via headphone jack.
Or comparing to Sony Z2 how is it ?
What do you feel Sony Z2 Vs honor 8 pro audio quality ?
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Yes.....most of earphones are 16ohm... Am choosing between LG G6 Vs Honor 8 pro . All specs are ok for me. Just I worry about audio quality via headphone jack.
Or comparing to Sony Z2 how is it ?
What do you feel Sony Z2 Vs honor 8 pro audio quality ?
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Don't worry, the quality is good with headphones, i.e Spotify with, best quality sound great. I also stresm it via BT to my 200€ speaker and there is nothing to complain about there either. The sound quality is definitely not something you need to worry about.
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Yes.....most of earphones are 16ohm... Am choosing between LG G6 Vs Honor 8 pro . All specs are ok for me. Just I worry about audio quality via headphone jack.
Or comparing to Sony Z2 how is it ?
What do you feel Sony Z2 Vs honor 8 pro audio quality ?
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NO quality is not good. I had better output from Lenovo K3 note. This is the only disappointing thing about this phone.
Normal user won't notice it much but there is not that kind of punch from BASS that you would expect from a phone at this price point. To its defence I put it against my LAPTOP but i can clearly remember what K3 note would sound like with same songs and on the same earphones. The dynamic range is flat, I don't know how to define it.
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NO quality is not good. I had better output from Lenovo K3 note. This is the only disappointing thing about this phone.
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Haha you just compared a Media centric phone to a cheap phone. Come on man . If u saying about the amount of bass in music... Bass is not all about music...
Anyway I am going to purchase a good set of earphones and will update the review
The quality is good. Don't know how someone can call it bad (faulty phone maybe?).
If you don't believe me, then here the review from Gsmarena.com: http://m.gsmarena.com/honor_8_pro-review-1604p8.php
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Haha you just compared a Media centric phone to a cheap phone. Come on man . If u saying about the amount of bass in music... Bass is not all about music...
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NO i am not saying that bass is everything, I was just being less technical. It's average at best. And lenovo K3 note being a cheap phone have a great audio output, specially with Chinese VibeUI (2.8??) on android 5.1.
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The quality is good. Don't know how someone can call it bad (faulty phone maybe?).
If you don't believe me, then here the review from Gsmarena.com: http://m.gsmarena.com/honor_8_pro-review-1604p8.php
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It's not bad(sorry if i said it before, i might have got carried away) but it's average. It could be possible to make it better if they provide some kind of equaliser with builtin DTS enhancement. From Review from GSMarena, i was hyped too after listing to it i was like meh...
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NO i am not saying that bass is everything, I was just being less technical. It's average at best. And lenovo K3 note being a cheap phone have a great audio output, specially with Chinese VibeUI (2.8??) on android 5.1.
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It's not bad(sorry if i said it before, i might have got carried away) but it's average. It could be possible to make it better if they provide some kind of equaliser with builtin DTS enhancement. From Review from GSMarena, i was hyped too after listing to it i was like meh...
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Bro... We are talking about new honor 8 pro and yes it has dts option too.
Which earphones you used ? That's also a factor ?
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Bro... We are talking about new honor 8 pro and yes it has dts option too.
Which earphones you used ? That's also a factor ?
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Yes I know we are talking about Honor 8 pro and don't mind which earphones I am using cause I used this same ear phones to compare with my laptop. It's (h8p) bass is mushy(if you can figure out what mushy is) while the output from laptop was punchy(again its my interpretation), while playing the same video on YouTube. After listing to it for a while I am satisfied with it.
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Yes I know we are talking about Honor 8 pro and don't mind which earphones I am using cause I used this same ear phones to compare with my laptop. It's (h8p) bass is mushy(if you can figure out what mushy is) while the output from laptop was punchy(again its my interpretation), while playing the same video on YouTube. After listing to it for a while I am satisfied with it.
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Well, the earphones you use also play a role. It's not that just because your laptop can drive that particular set of earphones, so even your phone will.
Also, I don't know which DAC is there in the honor 8 pro and that does has much effect on audio quality too.
Sorry if I sound offensive. ?
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Well, the earphones you use also play a role. It's not that just because your laptop can drive that particular set of earphones, so even your phone will.
Also, I don't know which DAC is there in the honor 8 pro and that does has much effect on audio quality too.
Sorry if I sound offensive.
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I know what you mean, and don't worry earphones are mi capsule so they could be easily driven by both.
I listen to music on the 8 Pro all the time and the audio quality is good. I don't use the Huawei earphones because I find them unconfortable but I suppose if you are into music you already know that there are much better earphones on the market.
The audio quality is comparable with the Sony Z Series and definitely better than the Honor 5x that I used for a few months.
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The quality is good. Don't know how someone can call it bad (faulty phone maybe?).
If you don't believe me, then here the review from Gsmarena.com: http://m.gsmarena.com/honor_8_pro-review-1604p8.php
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GSMArena audio quality reviews are nothing actually. They are all about numbers, don't tell anything about real performance. Infact the more flat and lifeless sound a phone has, better ratings it gets in GSMArena reviews.
I think one should look for PocketNow and head fi's dedicated Audio reviews for better idea.
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I listen to music on the 8 Pro all the time and the audio quality is good. I don't use the Huawei earphones because I find them unconfortable but I suppose if you are into music you already know that there are much better earphones on the market.
The audio quality is comparable with the Sony Z Series and definitely better than the Honor 5x that I used for a few months.
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Sony Z series is one of the quietest and dullest around in the market when Audio via 3.5mm jack is concerned. So comparison to that shows the lack in audio quality of Honor 8 Pro.
I saw PhoneArena's review. They checked out it's output, it just 0.43 volts. For comparison, OP3T has around 0.84 volts output, OP5 has 0.97 volts, iPhone is 1 volts, Lg V20 and Axon 7 are even higher than that.
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GSMArena audio quality reviews are nothing actually. They are all about numbers, don't tell anything about real performance. Infact the more flat and lifeless sound a phone has, better ratings it gets in GSMArena reviews.
I think one should look for PocketNow and head fi's dedicated Audio reviews for better idea.
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Sony Z series is one of the quietest and dullest around in the market when Audio via 3.5mm jack is concerned. So comparison to that shows the lack in audio quality of Honor 8 Pro.
I saw PhoneArena's review. They checked out it's output, it just 0.43 volts. For comparison, OP3T has around 0.84 volts output, OP5 has 0.97 volts, iPhone is 1 volts, Lg V20 and Axon 7 are even higher than that.
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Hopefully, gonna receive my honor 8 pro and will update you about audio quality.
According to the ranjit (YouTube reviewer), Honor 8 pro has better audio quality than OP5.
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Hopefully, gonna receive my honor 8 pro and will update you about audio quality.
According to the ranjit (YouTube reviewer), Honor 8 pro has better audio quality than OP5.
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Thanks man, waiting for it.
As for GeekyRanjit, have found his opinion regarding Sound Quality wrong in the past. According to him Redmi Note 3 has average Audio Quality, but i have it and audio quality is great. Warm and fun sound, punchy/tight bass, mids are great, treble is good too(no piercing), soundstage is pretty wide, output is more than enough (gets pretty loud at 60% vol) and i have Sony Mdr XB70 in ear headphones.
One has to enable Mi Sound Enhancer from settings to get great Audio in Xiaomi phones, after that i suspect their dedicated Amp section is activated. This setting is applicable systemwide in every application.
Have seen Honor 8 review on PocketNow, and they checked it's audio properly and weren't impressed, average at best. Afaik Honor 8 Pro readings are similar in audio, so not expecting much but anyways let's see.
Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
Even I am interested in this. The specs talk about Hi-res audio. It has Dual 5-magnet speakers with dual NXP smart amplifiers and PMIC internal dual amplifier according to the specs. Does it really have a DAC or does it only have amplifiers. How is the sound quality. I would really like somebody to post their review.
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I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
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Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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The sound is good but not on par with LG g6 for example. LG is way ahead in the sound part.
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I have both LG g6 and g7 but the Zenfone 5Z's sound is the best!!
5z doesn’t have any dedicated DAC as per few video reviews beebom or igyaan audio quality and amplification via headphone jack is not that great. I have a v20 with root and high impedance mode always on. I don’t think this phone compares to any of the recent LG flagships in terms of audio quality.The only place where 5z beats LG would be in the loudspeaker setup where 5z has stereo setup.
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I don't have technical details on the DAC inside, and I have don't have v30 to compare, but I can tell you that the sound quality combined with DTS is amazing.
I am quite an audiofile and I was impressed with the sound quality. I don't like the bundled earphones unfortunately. I used my BT headset.
I have a P20 as well, which is a much more expensive phone with a DAC, and 5Z's sound quality is comparable. I love P20's headphones though.
The most important and the best thing about 5Z is that DAC/DTS works for bluetooth headphones as well. I have not seen any phone having this feature (may be S9, but I don't know). With phones such as OP, I had to root and use Viper4Android to make by BT headphones sound better. Now, with 5Z, I can keep my phone unrooted and enjoy the great audio experience.
Unfortunately, I don't like the UI and animations of 5Z, and I would use a custom rom when available. I am sure such roms will come for 5Z because with such high-end specs and aggressive pricing, many developers would buy this phone
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I sincerely hope you weren't serious when you said you are an audiophile!
First of all, you can't rate any phone's DAC or AMP performance by using BT headset. Bluetooth headphones have their own inbuilt DAC that they use to process sound when they receive audio in the form of digital signal via Bluetooth from the phone. Then by using their internal inbuilt DAC they convert that Digital signal to Analog signal.
Second of all, are you even serious when you rate Huawei P20/P20 pro sound as great ? Huawei/Honor phones have one of the weakest audio performance out there. Puny amp, okayish DAC, nothing more. Similar is the case with P20/pro.
"P20 is a phone with a DAC !" Which phone isn't the one with DAC? Every phone has one. Some use inbuilt one inside their processors, some employ custom ones for better sound fidelity.
"DAC/DTS works for headphones too!" DAC doesn't work for Bluetooth headphones, it's just that 5z allows to change sound settings of Bluetooth headphones from phone's stock settings. It by no way means that phone's DAC is being involved in Bluetooth headphones. It's simply not possible.
And DAC and DTS aren't the same things either that they can be written interchangeably.
I hope it helps. I by no way mean that 5z has bad audio quality but just corrected some of the things that weren't correct.
I frequently use aux in my car and this is the first device that doesn’t make distortion in sound during high volume. I love it. My car sound system is like concert place now.
The whole Hi-Res audio thing is mainly just marketing and playback support, less to do with the actual quality of the DAC and amp. Nowadays most smartphones can play 24-bit audio at high sample rates (eg. 192kHz). Sony marketed that for many years but their phones kept using on-board Qualcomm DACs with low output voltage (~0.35V from Z5 to XZ Premium). I have the Z5 and I think it's audio quality is good for IEMs but it can't drive some larger headphones very well.
ASUS says there's smart amplifiers but those seem to be for the speakers rather than the headphone. PhoneArena did a review recently and measured the output voltage of the headphone jack to be only 0.252V! That's even lower than the Sony Xperia XZ Premium (0.36V). Of course it's not the end-all, but a higher output voltage would be better at driving higher impedance headphones.
Some users talk about EQ modes sounding better but these things can't improve the quality of the hardware's output (eg. distortion and stereo crosstalk). All they can do is alter the tuning to your preference.
The DAC on the 5Z is just ok ; not audiophile grade by any yard stick . It struggles with high impedance proper headphones like ATH
Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
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I am currently having Sound Magic e80c earphones which have impedance of 64 Ohms. Can one confirm whether it can work on 5z? Currently I am using it with Oneplus One and it works fine.
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You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Which ATH do you have? I had MSR7 and the Xperia Z5 (0.35V) was good enough to drive it for most songs. Does it hiss with low impedance IEMs? Do you hear any distortion or stereo crosstalk? Hopefully someone does measurements...
How does it perform compared to Xperia Z5 to XZ Premium?
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M30x ..
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You will be disappointed. As the output voltage is quite low, this phone isn't capable of driving high impedance headphones.
It's a shame that Asus is making fool of people in the name of "DTS headphone". I have e10C and I have to take the volume all the way upto 100% for movies.
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Yeah the DTS headphone X is a gimmick ..
I think there is presently no phone in the market which will come near LG V20, G6, V30 and G7 headphone audio performance, particularly with respect to driving high impedance ear/head phones. Actually, I am searching for another brand other than LG which will give a similar high end audio performance. I have a V20 and partnering that with my Sony MDR 7506 headphones or Venture Electronics MonkPlus earbuds (both having impedance around 60 ohms), the sound quality is awesome which I never found in other smartphones.
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Well it says that it supports Hi-Fi audio. But how Hi-Fi is it? What DAC is inside? In particular, I would like to know how the sound quality is from the 3.5mm audio jack compared to Hi-Fi mode of LG v30, my current phone. I simply cannot get a phone that downgrades my audio experience, you know?
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Just sold my LG v30+ due to screen ghosting issues and bought the 5z.
The DAC is good for headphones.
I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
All these phones are nothing compared to a vibe p1 on resurrection remix
I have LG v20 and in the hopes of gettin listening to mind-blowing awesome sound, I bought FiiO music player and I couldn't get satisfied on anything. Poweramp on LG always destroys low end or certain frequencies (usually male voice) when pushed a little hard and when not pushed, there's no low end to talk about at all. FiiO has no low end frequency at all.
The only thing that came have a little satisfaction was my good old Lenovo Vibe p1 on resurrection remix. Seeing how you guys are rating LG v20 as great or the best, is there something I'm not doing to get the best out of it? I've tried it on earphones, Bluetooth etc but it just doesn't cut it.
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I confirm my 5Z can drive my Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee(150 Ohms) when the volume is at 95%.
The sound is not as good as my LG V20's Quad-Dac though.
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May be it can drive .. but I find the audio fidelity not that great compared to even the A1 . Music just doesn't sound wholesome .
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i owned lg g6 and the 5z audio quality is not that bad by any means, it's quite OK by 2018 smartphone standard, with it's gimmicky features such as dtx, hi res audio support , etc.
the LG quad dac is the king in the smartphone audio for now, but again, the 5z audio quality is not bad, unless you are very picky about audio quality,
even lg g6 / v30 dac chip still can't compete with my iBasso dx150.
if you never use a true hi res audio player before, the 5z audio quality will be just fine for you.
even for me imho, it's good enough.
I wanted to start a thread discussing the performance of the headphone jack. I'm a bit disappointed considering Sony's audiophile history with their walkmans and LDAC codec.
Yes, I'm nit picking about a $13XX dollar phone but for this price, I was expecting a bit more that just average performance.
For comparison I do have a LG V40 with it's quad dac and it powers my audio technicas perfectly fine with High-Impedance mode.
On the MK ii, I don't get the full sound with out an external dac coming into play.
I'd like to ask other MK ii owners if having just a headphone jack is enough to power your earbuds/iems/headphones.
Going to do a bit more in detail research within a couple of days but I think Sony just wanted to slap a headphone jack just to say it has one.
Ps- I'm no audiophile but having a full sound for the headphones I have is a must.
Thank you! This thread is very interesting.
I have reduced hearing and I badly need a smartphone with high-output. My LG V30 with it's QUAD-DAC has no problem giving me enough volume even on my favourite pair Hifiman HE-4xx.
I was hoping that Sony 1 mk2 was an alternative, but maybe not................ ?
R800x_user said:
I wanted to start a thread discussing the performance of the headphone jack. I'm a bit disappointed considering Sony's audiophile history with their walkmans and LDAC codec.
Yes, I'm nit picking about a $13XX dollar phone but for this price, I was expecting a bit more that just average performance.
For comparison I do have a LG V40 with it's quad dac and it powers my audio technicas perfectly fine with High-Impedance mode.
On the MK ii, I don't get the full sound with out an external dac coming into play.
I'd like to ask other MK ii owners if having just a headphone jack is enough to power your earbuds/iems/headphones.
Going to do a bit more in detail research within a couple of days but I think Sony just wanted to slap a headphone jack just to say it has one.
Ps- I'm no audiophile but having a full sound for the headphones I have is a must.
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You may want to make the distinction between headphone jacks that can and cannot drive high impedance headphones as a headphone jack that can't can still be good as in clear, little to no distortion with good response and sound reproduction.
In this case its more like LG's has gone out of their way to include a dac that can power high impedance headphones (which is rare in the first place, in addition to the jack being rare) so if high impedance headphones usage is a top priority, then sticking to LG would be recommended.
I have a Meizu Pro usb dac which has a good reputation. The volume of the Meizu is a bit higher, but the audio quality of the Sony is equal. You just have to increase the volume 2 or 3 notches. The Sony uses the Qualcom dac and excellent Cirrus amplifier chips. I use my Beoplay H6 over the ear headphones for listening. The volume being a bit lower is no problem for me, I still can get serious hearing damage if I want to.
The audio is detailed, excellent channel separation, noise is undetectable.
jwalesh96 said:
You may want to make the distinction between headphone jacks that can and cannot drive high impedance headphones as a headphone jack that can't can still be good as in clear, little to no distortion with good response and sound reproduction.
In this case its more like LG's has gone out of their way to include a dac that can power high impedance headphones (which is rare in the first place, in addition to the jack being rare) so if high impedance headphones usage is a top priority, then sticking to LG would be recommended.
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Sho-Bud said:
I have a Meizu Pro usb dac which has a good reputation. The volume of the Meizu is a bit higher, but the audio quality of the Sony is equal. You just have to increase the volume 2 or 3 notches. The Sony uses the Qualcom dac and excellent Cirrus amplifier chips. I use my Beoplay H4 over the ear headphones for listening. The volume being a bit lower is no problem for me, I still can get serious hearing damage if I want to.
The audio is detailed, excellent channel separation, noise is undetectable.
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Yeah LG has done the headphone jack justice, but I was expecting a bit more out of the mark 2 for it's price point.
Like hi-res audio. I get it's mainly a photography oriented product. I mean I guess I got used to only using half of the volume steps provided by the LG phones.
I just had high expectations out of Sony in the audio department. Great camera. As for the dac mentioned above, i have a couple so I'm not too worried about getting any more of them. I have a couple of headphone I can try out besides my audio technicas.
The audio capability of the phone is lacking
Bluetooth volume is pretty poor even though it's decent quality
The 3.5mm Jack absolutely doesn't have that much power to drive much more than basic iem 8 to 16 ohm level. Can't push my 150ohm cans at all
Definitely louder than the previous phones. I'm just happy that the jack is back. I did notice a difference with bluetooth vs wired on WH1000XM4. Volume was definitely louder on bluetooth, but can really notice the difference in quality despite LDAC. But that's just me.
R800x_user said:
Yeah LG has done the headphone jack justice, but I was expecting a bit more out of the mark 2 for it's price point.
Like hi-res audio. I get it's mainly a photography oriented product. I mean I guess I got used to only using half of the volume steps provided by the LG phones.
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But it does have Hi-Res audio. Volume is a bit lower, but is also the curve of the volume control. With the LG the volume control is linear, with the Sony starts to increase real slow, until over half of the volume.
Sho-Bud said:
But it does have Hi-Res audio. Volume is a bit lower, but is also the curve of the volume control. With the LG the volume control is linear, with the Sony starts to increase real slow, until over half of the volume.
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Yeah volume has to be over half way to start making decent sound. Regular buds are fine though. I have some kz iems and it's fine with those. Just higher impedance isn't for this phone.
My Beoplay H6 headphones have an impedance of 30 Ohms. They work great with the Sony. I can't compare, these are the only wired headphones I have.
The audio quality is perfect with my XBA-N3AP or WH1000XM3
niaboc79 said:
The audio quality is perfect with my XBA-N3AP or WH1000XM3
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Oh snap, how are the XBAs?
Currently, I'm using AKG N700nc2( using them wired )
R800x_user said:
Oh snap, how are the XBAs?
Currently, I'm using AKG N700nc2( using them wired )
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XBA are amazing, well balanced and no extra bass like many earphones.
With an upgraded cable it's even better [emoji106]
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niaboc79 said:
The audio quality is perfect with my XBA-N3AP or WH1000XM3
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I think using its headphone jack to push N3AP do not working perfect, the human voice is low, the sound ‘s analysis goes bad, compare to use usb-3.5 dac line. I use IE60.
highlightshadow said:
The audio capability of the phone is lacking
Bluetooth volume is pretty poor even though it's decent quality
The 3.5mm Jack absolutely doesn't have that much power to drive much more than basic iem 8 to 16 ohm level. Can't push my 150ohm cans at all
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Poor volume, I can still get hearing damage by the levels of volume here.
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Monster_Dawn said:
I think using its headphone jack to push N3AP do not working perfect, the human voice is low, the sound ‘s analysis goes bad, compare to use usb-3.5 dac line. I use IE60.
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I haven't tried with a dac, I will try to compare with my XA50ES
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For everyone who isn't satisfied with the performance of the headphone jack:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/xnext-walkman-v1-0-xperia-1ii-5-ii-t4192117
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[email protected] said:
For everyone who isn't satisfied with the performance of the headphone jack:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/xnext-walkman-v1-0-xperia-1ii-5-ii-t4192117
Require a rooted device
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Apologies for replying to an old threat, but what became of this? The link is now dead unfortunately. Was it an actual improvement or deleted because it was non-functional? Thanks.
Coleh said:
Apologies for replying to an old threat, but what became of this? The link is now dead unfortunately. Was it an actual improvement or deleted because it was non-functional? Thanks.
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Try to dm peter. I didn't have a chance to save this.
Sony Xperia 1 II most probably uses a Qualcomm audio codec. Can be their flagship Aqstic WCD9341, a dedicated audio chip. Only a proper tear-down will reveal the details. As I found out this audio chip contains a very good DAC section and can produce nearly 1 Vrms at headphone out when implemented in high performance mode.