Hi everyone,
So a couple of weeks ago I decided to jump into the pool with my S6 in my trunks pocket. It was submerged for over 5min. Of course I thought it was curtains for my device, but I figured there was no harm in spending a few days trying to revive it before officially writing it off. After two days in rice, and two more days of sitting out in the sun with a fan blowing directly on it - IT...IS.....ALIIIIVE.
The phone has been in operation, and functional, for about a week now. However the first issue I noticed was that my audio now skips when the screen is off. It doesn't matter which app I'm using, or if I'm streaming or playing locally - when the screen is off, all audio skips to the point where it is unlistenable. So I Googled this issue and found a few people saying that switching to the ONDEMAND cpu governor will fix this. I tried this, and sure enough, the skipping audio is immediately gone...however my phone crashes/restarts like crazy on the ONDEMAND governor (the only governor it seems to agree with is INTERACTIVE). FYI - I'm running BigDaddy Nougat and SkyHigh Kernel 5.01. I tried reflashing Big Daddy to get rid of SkyHigh, but the skipping audio persisted.
So I have a double-edged sword on my hands - I either have to live with crashing, or skipping audio. I don't want either. I do believe there are plenty of things i have not tried, given the kernel customization options available to me through Synapse - however it's been a very long time since Android was a hobby of mine, and I just have not kept up with all of the technology - the Synapse app is pretty intimidating to me, I don't want to just start messing with sliders.
Any suggestions? TIA
BTW I should probably add that the crashing restarting only happens when the device is idle, or when I go to wake it up.
Please. Please. Please.. DO NOT USE RICE -.-
I do not understand how this has spread so badly. If rice randomly absorbed moisture from the air, then theoretically, based off that fact, I could place rice in a dish on my counter in humid weather and the rice would get soft. But that doesn't happen. In addition, placing rice in salt shakers only dries out the rice, because the salt has a higher affinity to the water than rice! Rice will not absorb moisture without heat!!
The trick to recovering a water logged phone is ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL of 90% or greater that is..
My personal method for any electronic device I accidentally submerge is this:
I have vacuum seal containers. I place phone into container and fill to about half way with IPA. Then I use the suction pump to remove the air from the container, thus forcing the air out of the device and allowing IPA to enter.
Leave it like that for about 10 minutes while shaking.
IPA dissolves in water and thus greatly lowers its heat of vaporization (the temp at which water evaporates) and I also believe its not conductive, but the water (with stuff dissolved) is. That is why 90% or greater is required.
Doing my steps followed by a hair dryer to evaporate everything has saved my phone, my brother's phone, my GPS, and other electronics. Trust me on this, it works. It may even help get rid of your issue too, however it may be too late and corrosion already set in. Most times though, its what the water leaves behind that causes shorts/issues. But I'd still try it if I were in your situation.
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I had my phone out under a tarp when it was raining - but water found its way and had a few drops sitting on it. I couldnt use the up, down or the in between enter key. Now the down key is coming back - but not the other two options - and it is having small issues like not always shutting the backlight off, or scrolling when Im not trying to.
I took it all apart twice to make sure there wasn't any water in it - and other than some mild moisture - it seemed okay.
Am I out of luck with this phone getting back to normal?
Is there anything else I should try?
Take the battery out and, leaving the battery cover off, leave it in the airing-cupboard for a couple of days to SLOWLY dry out.
Rain water should be okay, there are usually too few dissolved minerals in it to crystallise on the board and bridge gaps between tracks but damp and volts don't really play together nicely.
Good luck.
In anoher forum people suggested to put the phone in a bowl of rice, being the rice absorbs the moister faster than just evaporating.
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I had my phone out under a tarp when it was raining - but water found its way and had a few drops sitting on it. I couldnt use the up, down or the in between enter key. Now the down key is coming back - but not the other two options - and it is having small issues like not always shutting the backlight off, or scrolling when Im not trying to.
I took it all apart twice to make sure there wasn't any water in it - and other than some mild moisture - it seemed okay.
Am I out of luck with this phone getting back to normal?
Is there anything else I should try?
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i work around water all the time and water gets on my phone all the time and this never happened to me i dropped my phone in a puddle of water and nothing happened
anddep said:
i work around water all the time and water gets on my phone all the time and this never happened to me i dropped my phone in a puddle of water and nothing happened
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Agreed, my phone has been through gallons upon gallons of water, and have never had a problem xDD
I accidentaly put my rhodium in the washing machine (forgot to check my jeans pockets) and it was in there for a few minutes.
When I noticed I took out the battery, SD card and sim card and dryed everything with a towel. I then put it in a bowl of rice for day (read that tip online somewhere) to drain out any excess moisture.
It seems to be completely dry now from the outside, although I can't say for sure about the insides. It still won't turn on.
Any ideas? or is my brand new Rhodium dead?
you get points for positive thinking.
sorry to say, but your toy has had it.
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Any ideas? or is my brand new Rhodium dead?
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Sounds to me like you need to make use of that insurance policy that you sensibly bought for your TP2.
I read somewhere on xda forum that sometimes wet devices would turn on after a couple of days...
If you're not in a hurry, maybe wait some time... but don't hope too much
Wow! got to be more careful next time. This is a very expensive phone. Got to take real good care of it.... "Handle with care"
I guess wait at least 72 hours before turning it on back again and not before that.... else will be RIP.
btw, if your phone is "ON" while in the washer...forget about, get a new one.
One thing to try, sometimes batteries will self destruct and save the phone. Get a replacement and see if it powers up, I know that worked with one I took into the pool a couple years ago.
A hiardryer on very low heat setting normally works quite well for removing moisture
Damn, that's a bummer...
I'd try someone elses battery, but wouldn't expect miracles to happen...
how you didnt know is beyond me! i hope you get it sorted and take more care next time i dont believe it
White rice trick
Here is a trick, take out the battery and put the phone in a bag of white rice. Make sure it's completely covered with rice!. Leave it there for at least 72 hours.
This trick worked on my wife's iPhone. It was revived after being completely dead for 3 days.
Hope it helps.
dam man! thats bad luck!
i hope you use a top brand softener with it other than that it would be sacrilege
one of my phone fell in the toilet once, i removed the battery and took it apart and the washed it with alcohol [not the drinking type] after a day drying it worked just fine.
some phones will work without the battery if connected to the charger. You could try that to see if it's the battery. If you're willing to take it apart there's a spray technicians use to remove all moisture. I've been told never to apply hear (so if you use a hairdryer use one with a cold setting), and yeah, just wait, make sure it's gotten rid of ALL the moisture, and hope for the best. If all the moisture isn't gone, you could short circuit it by trying to turn it on.
My charmer fell into the toilet one evening when I was very drunk. It went of immediately but being too drunk I took it home and left it as it was. The next morning I gave it the hairdryer treatment but it still didnt power up. I threw the phone under my bed and left it for dead. About 4 nights later I woke up at night and I saw 'the light' from under my bed, on closer look my charmer was miraculously switched on. I tried to charge it but it just showed a red light. Later that day I tried again and it started to charge.
The phone went on to serve me without any problems for about 6 more months and I eventually sold it for £80.
Moral of the story; You could get lucky (fingers crossed)
The water itself does not cause the short circuiting. You need purified water to cleans it from the salt and other particles that cause the short circuit.
Yes, water itself is not conductive. Everytime we see someone get electrocuted in the movies thanks to a mixture of water and electricity it's because of the electrolytes. But considering that almost no one has truly pure water running through their washer etc, I just simplified. But the reason why you shouldn't apply heat is due to the catalyst factor of heat. Water and metal don't mix (rust, oxidization), and applying heat can accelerate that process. The end of the story is to get it truly dry, don't apply heat, and keep your fingers, toes, and eyes crossed.
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Yes, water itself is not conductive. Everytime we see someone get electrocuted in the movies thanks to a mixture of water and electricity it's because of the electrolytes. But considering that almost no one has truly pure water running through their washer etc, I just simplified. But the reason why you shouldn't apply heat is due to the catalyst factor of heat. Water and metal don't mix (rust, oxidization), and applying heat can accelerate that process. The end of the story is to get it truly dry, don't apply heat, and keep your fingers, toes, and eyes crossed.
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This is true. While it is possible to safe an electronic device after a soaking for a while, once it has been doused in water, unfortunately, its lifespan is already shortened. If you get it working again, it might last a few months, or even a year. But eventually, corrosion WILL claim it. It might be possible to open it up, and clean every contact, every piece of solder, copper or electronic pathway. If you do that, then maybe you can keep it from corroding.
My roommate lost his phone during winter. Come to find out, he had dropped it in the snow When it melted he found it. It was dead for a few days till it dried out. Then it worked again for about 5-6 months then finally died completely due to corrosion.
Good luck.
Saved about 10 different phones, some multiply times and many other electronic devices, from pools, ocean, garden hoses, sprinklers.
Most important thing is to remove the battery, IMMEDIATELY. We are talking seconds the better, don't think, rip it out. The battery will power up the short circuits and cause the damage. Leaving the battery in for only a minute may be enough time to fcuk something.
Ok preparing
Disassemble the phone as much as possible, the more the quicker it will dry. If the water was salty or dirty , wash them under the tap trying to get into everything.( I am serious)
To dry(cook
Test you oven temp is accurate from 40c to 50c with temperature probe. Set temperature to 40c to be safe, 50c if your in a hurry, 45c would be safe, but it's an oven it may randomly jump up 10c??? hence 40 is safe. Around 50-60 some plastics start to deform, ( this I have learnt first hand).
OK spread the parts out on clean metal is best or ceramic plate/s and place the plates in the oven.
Drying time. Depends on the parts and how big they are and if water could be trapped in them.
Bare, open parts, no touching surfaces, keyboards can be pricks. 2-4hours at 50-40c.
Touching parts but nothing complex, i.e. no water stuck between the keyboard parts. 6-9 hours.
Whole phone 1-2 days.
Thanks for all the tips guys. It's still drying out now in a big bowl of rice. I'm going to try to turn it on again tomorrow. A friend of mine has one too, so if it fails to work I'm going to try his battery to see if that's the problem.
I'm using my N95 now, and it sucks :/
Use DISTILLED water to rinse it out, NOT tap water
IT'S ALIVE!
There is water behind the screen though (or between the casing and the screen). Do you think that'll just dry out over time, or do I need to take it apart to wipe it off?
My Touch Pro 2 is currently sitting in a bowl of rice while I gather the courage to install the battery and test my methods of drying it out.
Yesterday, my sister walked into the swimming pool with the phone in her back pocket. It only took her a second to realize her error and thankfully I was right there. I popped the battery out without turning on the screen and layed the seperate parts out in the sun for a few hours. When I got home, I dumped the phone into a bowl and filled it with rice in the hopes that the rice would absorb any excess moisture.
This morning, I broke out my tools and broke the phone down, looking for water damage. I found some residual water under the screen, but with so many layers of plastic, I would rather not take it completely apart. To help with this little bit, I placed the phone screen up on the dash of my car for 1 hour. Since sunlight is deadly to a phone, I didn't dare leave it longer.
We have a central heating and air unit outside, so I placed the phone atop the unit outside (it blows warm air from the top) for another hour.
I checked the screen for moisture and can't see any now, but with all of the various layers, it is hard to say for certain.
The last thing I will try is to hook up a universal air pump used for blowing up air mattresses and such to the bowl of rice. With a cover on top and a few vents on the side, I am hoping to blow dry air in and the last remaining moisture out.
If anyone has any other tips or tricks to add, I would be happy to give 'em a shot. I am in no hurry and a few days is worth the wait if it means the chances of the phone recovering are greater with other methods.
If you can create a vacuum (use duct-tape creatively to form a seal between the container* and the universal blower, and have the suction end of the blower making the connection) that would probably be best. Water between button contacts and on the circut board, in my past experience, has been the most lingering after-water problems.
When my blackjack ii took a dive in the doggy dish, it was about a week before it was completely dry, as evidenced by the lack of odd behaviour from the power button. I considered myself pretty lucky in that one. Good luck.
*The best you can probably do for a vacuum container would be to use a good-quality plastic baggy. Cut the zip-lock part off, insert the phone and a folded piece of cardboard to keep the bag from completely colapsing/getting-sucked-up, and duct tape it to the suction end of the universal blower, or even better, the suction end of a cleaned electric leaf blower. -Just a thought.
Update
After allowing the phone to spend yet another night in the bowl of rice (I decided against introducing forced air out of laziness), I plugged the battery back in and tried to boot it up.
The phone did not respond, at all.
I plugged the phone in via the official charger and noticed a momentary blip of the orange LED near the speaker. This seemed familiar, so I pulled the battery out and tried plugging the charger in again: Sure enough, I got the exact same response. The battery was either dead or the phone wasn't recognizing it.
The replacement phone came in Tuesday, but with some medical emergencies in the family, I didn't attempt anything until this evening. I removed the new, charged battery from the replacement phone and put it in the one I have been working on.
Voila! The phone booted straight up with the new battery!
I noticed some residual damage to the dispersal plastic behind the screen as the phone booted with a white background, but once the phone booted completely up, I couldn't see any difference from before the accident.
While I haven't been able to completely test every aspect of the phone, I plan to update this thread once the new battery (buy dot com, ftw!) comes in on Monday.
I am very pleased with the results and it was definitely worth the time and effort I put into the drying process.
If anyone stumbles upon this tiny thread, please keep in mind a few things:
The phone was only briefly immersed in water for about 30 seconds, inside a pocket
After removing the phone from the water, I pulled the battery before turning on the screen
I allowed the phone to dry over the course of five days
I consider the fact that the phone is now working to be a freak coincidence, results are not typical
a friend of mine had his immersed in water for about 3 min before he realized he had it in his pocket....since we are airplane mechanics, we deal with A/C alot, therefore we have a vacuum pump handy for evacuating A/C systems. He put his phone (dunno what kind, it was touch screen though) in to a vacuum chamber ( a glass jar with a hole tapped in the cap to allow for vacuum to be pulled) and pulled a vacuum on it for a day...it is still working and it was 2 months ago. So just an idea, i realize the equipment is not available to everyone, but it worked for him.
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a friend of mine had his immersed in water for about 3 min before he realized he had it in his pocket....since we are airplane mechanics, we deal with A/C alot, therefore we have a vacuum pump handy for evacuating A/C systems. He put his phone (dunno what kind, it was touch screen though) in to a vacuum chamber ( a glass jar with a hole tapped in the cap to allow for vacuum to be pulled) and pulled a vacuum on it for a day...it is still working and it was 2 months ago. So just an idea, i realize the equipment is not available to everyone, but it worked for him.
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This is interesting!
Chemistry suggests that reducing the air pressure to a near vacuum would reduce the temperature needed for the water to evaporate, allowing it to do so at a highly increased rate... but keeping the phone inside an air-tight (and thus water-tight) container would actually prevent the water from escaping.
What am I missing here?
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This is interesting!
Chemistry suggests that reducing the air pressure to a near vacuum would reduce the temperature needed for the water to evaporate, allowing it to do so at a highly increased rate... but keeping the phone inside an air-tight (and thus water-tight) container would actually prevent the water from escaping.
What am I missing here?
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The vacuum pump has a way of letting the vapor out of it in the process of pulling the vacuum...you can see the vapor as it escapes from the vacuum pump and by the time you reach 29.92 or close, you usually never get a perfect vacuum, but close....moisture is mostly gone....let it set, with a set of guages of course (forgot to mention that) monitor the vacuum, anytime it goes below 28-29 or so, turn the pump on again to remove the moisture....untill it holds for several hours making sure its all gone...a little overkill never hurts with these expensive devices.
I took my oneplus 3 for a brief swim. I blame new fatherhood. It inhaled a lot of water. I turned it off, dried it, and put it in rice for a couple days. Soon after turning it off, it started getting hot. I'm guessing something important is dead. I'd like to go through the process of fixing it. I have to replace the rear camera which stopped focusing anyway.
Here's where I'm at now.
1. The battery charges.
2. The screen works.
3. It boots up in developer mode or whatever the volume button down + power is.
4. Phone won't boot into OS.
My plan from this point forward:
1. Open up phone and inspect.
2. Clean components.
3. Test with pc and go through unbrick guide.
4. Order and replace broken parts.
Questions:
1. Is there a diagnostic I could run to figure out what is broken?
2. If I'm replacing something major, would it be fairly straightforward and worth the effort to replace the internal components with 3T components?
3. Anything else I should keep in mind or any thoughts on what is likely wrong with the phone?
I guess by letting it dry and then turn it on again you killed something in your phone.
Water has always a bit salt and minerals in it and once the phone these minerals are still left and can cause various short circuits.
I know its too late now, but what you should have done is turning the phone down after the accident and then wash it out with destilled water to wash out the minerals and after that let it dry.
For example blackboxes of crashed planes are left in a box with salty water and then it gets replaced more and more with destilled water.
I'd recommend you to visit a phone fixing shop. Finding the problem by yourself will be pretty tricky without the right tools.
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I guess by letting it dry and then turn it on again you killed something in your phone.
Water has always a bit salt and minerals in it and once the phone these minerals are still left and can cause various short circuits.
I know its too late now, but what you should have done is turning the phone down after the accident and then wash it out with destilled water to wash out the minerals and after that let it dry.
For example blackboxes of crashed planes are left in a box with salty water and then it gets replaced more and more with destilled water.
I'd recommend you to visit a phone fixing shop. Finding the problem by yourself will be pretty tricky without the right tools.
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Thanks. That makes sense. My suspicion is still that the damage occurred prior to turning the phone off, as the off phone kept heating up as if something was causing a massive battery drain. This will be helpful next time. Ugh, next time. There better not be a next time.
As I've yet to start taking the phone apart, I'm still pretty determined to troubleshoot it myself as much as I can. So any other suggestions people have would be appreciated. I've been quite unimpressed with the techs around here...
Have had reboot issues for a while now and they were just getting worse. Nubia said to send in for out of warranty support, but thankfully that process is severely broken as all of the repair contacts they forwarded were either out of service or foreign language (Czechoslovakian!?).
In any case, I figured the phone was done so decided to take it apart and lo and behold, it seemed to last a bit longer between reboots when the back was off. Assuming it was a heat issue, I tried replacing the thermal paste where I could with varying results, but ultimately I ended up taking it completely apart to access the face of the SD 888+ chip and replaced the blob of pink goo covered with copper tape with a 1.5mm copper shim along with MX-4 paste. 1.5mm seemed to be the right spacing and the 15mm by 15mm shim I had only needed a few edges reshaped to fit within the housing.
So yesterday I put it all back together and no hint of issues yet. Longest time it's run without a reboot for at least a month.
I suspect I may have accelerated the breakdown of the cooling since I often put my phone into a bicycle mount which I think puts some pressure on the back of the phone, likely squashing the paste a little flatter each time till it was no longer making contact.
Anyway, if you do start seeing random reboots, this might be the issue.
Though it feels like I'm talking to myself on this forum. Are XDA forums not what they used to be or are Redmagic phones just not as popular as my Google feed is leading me to believe?
If you're using it in direct sunlight you aren't doing it any favors. You can fry a phone like that rather quickly. The thermal shutdown may not react fast enough to prevent hardware damage...
Limit SOT in direct sunlight to seconds not minutes especially in high ambient temperatures.
Monitor battery and CPU core temps.
If the phone feels hot, it is hot!