Hi guys , as lot of us I want a Pixel Rom with the Pixel Experience and most of all the Pixel Camera (So we can really use our camera sensor )
I have been in talks we some Developers of Pixel Roms and ask them if they would be interested in trying to make a Pixel Rom for our Mi5s and 4 of them answered me with a positive answer.
I'm creating this thread because for them to try to build the Rom we would need to join forces and Donate enought money so we could purchase them a Mi5s.
So if you are interested in a Pixel Rom and don't mind giving up a Buck for the cause just let me know in the Pool to see if this would be possible.
So I created a CrowdFunding campaing to see if we can reach the goal , I set the goal to 460$ to see if we could get two Mi5s to the two Dev's who are most interested.
If you want this to happen just donate 1$ it's a Beer and it would help alot!
http://fnd.us/51Fx7c?ref=sh_96jnqa
How about we also post this to reddit? Maybe a few people over there are also interested
werzum said:
How about we also post this to reddit? Maybe a few people over there are also interested
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Great idea we could also post to miui forums!
so the central post will be on reddit ? or here?
i think here will make more important the campaign
Central post should be here and we should have links on Reddit and mi forums
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Central post should be here and we should have links on Reddit and mi forums
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so the central post will be on reddit ? or here?
i think here will make more important the campaign
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I agree that the Central Post should be here and if we would create on the oher Forums we should link it to this one.
I don't have a Reddit account if you guys don't mind creating for me I would appreciate.
Best regards
Wow i can't wait for it ???
fereidooni said:
Wow i can't wait for it
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weve still got ways to go unless by some miracle the price of the device drops to $20 We need to get as many onboard as possible!
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weve still got ways to go unless by some miracle the price of the device drops to $20 We need to get as many onboard as possible!
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i do my best
Lads , after the dev reach His potential, what Is he going to do with the device? Kept or send it to another one? I have questions about that
So have you actually found a developer who ported camera software from pixel/nexus phones before ? (I suppose camera is the main goal for us, no doubt pixel is doing this job much better having same hardware). The camera app itself doesn't affect picture quality that much, it is rather result of usage of underlying algorithms. Porting rom (or doing it feel it like pixel has from the box using lineage or another existing rom) won't be a big problem for a specialist, but all underlying software may not be so easily accessible, because it uses google developments that they likely don't want to expose. I'm not a rom developer so just want to clarify things (maybe they already released all required drivers in open source and it is only problem of testing it on a real device )
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Lads , after the dev reach His potential, what Is he going to do with the device? Kept or send it to another one? I have questions about that
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Hi there , I think the point would be for him to stay with the device and we would only consider that of sending to another one if the choosen Dev won't be able to do anything per say.
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So have you actually found a developer who ported camera software from pixel/nexus phones before ? (I suppose camera is the main goal for us, no doubt pixel is doing this job much better having same hardware). The camera app itself doesn't affect picture quality that much, it is rather result of usage of underlying algorithms. Porting rom (or doing it feel it like pixel has from the box using lineage or another existing rom) won't be a big problem for a specialist, but all underlying software may not be so easily accessible, because it uses google developments that they likely don't want to expose. I'm not a rom developer so just want to clarify things (maybe they already released all required drivers in open source and it is only problem of testing it on a real device )
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What I did was asking some Developers from the Pixel section if they would be interested in making a Pixel Rom for the Xiaomi Mi5s and if they would be able to try to Port the Camera Firmware or Algorithms from the Pixel to the Xiaomi Mi5s.
Of course they can't know for sure if they are going to be able to do it but they said they would love to try , and that's the best answer we can get from anyone to be honest.
We have broken closed source libs lolololo. The camera is the toughest part of all. Totally.
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We have broken closed source libs lolololo. The camera is the toughest part of all. Totally.
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If there is progress in this direction, then certainly is good news.
I think the only possible problem for this is that Google locked their prop libs to work only on Pixel. But I doubt it!!
I have disassembled the Google camera application and it checks the phone if it is Pixel or not.
If the libs were locked down I think it would mean an unnecessary double check.
I am a software developer myself and I am considering porting this to our device, however, I have no experience with android so far so it will take a bit of time.
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I think the only possible problem for this is that Google locked their prop libs to work only on Pixel. But I doubt it!!
I have disassembled the Google camera application and it checks the phone if it is Pixel or not.
If the libs were locked down I think it would mean an unnecessary double check.
I am a software developer myself and I am considering porting this to our device, however, I have no experience with android so far so it will take a bit of time.
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I would like to help, but like you I'm a software developer and I don't know if I can help with my knowledge. But it's cool to see peoples interested to the improvement of this camera.
When and where do we donate money?
And I would like to see comments from the developer
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When and where do we donate money?
And I would like to see comments from the developer
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I'd like to know this too
Take me?I am responsible for informing the Chinese people of the miui forum
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Great idea we could also post to miui forums!
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sogou search 小米商城 and download ，I dare say you will come back to thank me（Because recently discounted）
Airborntx said:
Lads , after the dev reach His potential, what Is he going to do with the device? Kept or send it to another one? I have questions about that
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Nexus Experience rom is very similar to pixel. http://www.nxrom.us/mi5splus.html I can't tell a difference from it vs the pixel rom on my 5x other than some LOS features included.
Google photo thinks it's a pixel (unlimited storage)
Flashing the google camera - https://www.xda-developers.com/google-camera-hdr-ported takes care of the camera part, although I use a separate app for video recording since its video recording is buggy and FCs
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Would Cyanogen Mod be interested in developing for this phone now that we have unlocked bootloader? Given the choice, I'd love Paranoid Android, but I went hold my breath.
CM is already in development . https://github.com/CM-zenfone2
BrokenROM https://github.com/BrokenROM/device_asus_moorefield
Seems that are only for ZE551ML I hope that will be compatible with ZE550ML
If someone can get pure AOSP or CM working, the ROMs will flow out like water... once a base is established building many ROMs is easy. If we get CM, then look for ROMs like Beanstalk, BlissPop, Carbon, , etc. to follow closely behind. Patience, it will happen...
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CM is already in development . https://github.com/CM-zenfone2
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Yay! I really hope Paranoid Android follows suit. I LOVE Pa's Halo feature.
custom roms will help this phone.zenny 2 has one of the worst stock firmware optimization ever and seems like asus cant fix the problems.
Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.
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Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.
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Cool! I see lots of potential ROM development for this phone!
Sent from my ASUS_Z00AD using XDA Free mobile app
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Be patient guys, I just sent a couple developers phones this week.
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Good to see Asus is showing commitment to this phone. Also great to see you guys are embracing the aftermarket ROM community. More vendors need to be supportive like this.
We love the enthusiast community - you guys are the ones that like to tinker and have contributed to our growth over the years when we were just a motherboard vendor. I bet many of you still have fond memories of building PCs with our components before tinkering with phones .
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Awesome! Is there/will there be collaboration with the developers regarding the kernel and device tree from ASUS as well? That would be key to have a fully-working custom ROM in the nearer future (versus the developers having to learn from scratch and sort of fend for themselves, kludging their way along and delaying the end goal).
So exciting!
We post our kernel source, but that's all we can offer, unfortunately. Our software development is done at our Taiwan HQ. But if any devs need anything, just send me a PM and I'll ask our software team.
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We love the enthusiast community - you guys are the ones that like to tinker and have contributed to our growth over the years when we were just a motherboard vendor. I bet many of you still have fond memories of building PCs with our components before tinkering with phones .
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We post our kernel source, but that's all we can offer, unfortunately. Our software development is done at our Taiwan HQ. But if any devs need anything, just send me a PM and I'll ask our software team.
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Just got one single request... Open an official outlet or distributer in Pakistan... I am buying your items off international vendors without warranties... Would love to see if I can get some support locally...
Tuanies said:
We post our kernel source, but that's all we can offer, unfortunately. Our software development is done at our Taiwan HQ. But if any devs need anything, just send me a PM and I'll ask our software team.
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CC: @TheSSJ, @shakalaca, @jrior001, @crpalmer, @sorg, @Harfainx, @vampirefo and other zf2 developers.. :victory:
Tuanies said:
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This makes not much sense to me honestly. Why locking a bootloader in the first place and then stating to push development hard by providing test phones to specified devs?
But still I want to thank you for your commitment in making this phone a huge success - we'll kick Galaxy and Xperia and the likes out once done
Good thing to see Asus sharing to make custom ROMs efficient.
Already on Harfainx's ROM, can't wait to see things going even further.
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Just got one single request... Open an official outlet or distributer in Pakistan... I am buying your items off international vendors without warranties... Would love to see if I can get some support locally...
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Unfortunately in only responsible for North America and have no say for any other regions.
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This makes not much sense to me honestly. Why locking a bootloader in the first place and then stating to push development hard by providing test phones to specified devs?
But still I want to thank you for your commitment in making this phone a huge success - we'll kick Galaxy and Xperia and the likes out once done
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This is my push from Technical Marketing for North America due to needs and wants for the US market. I place great emphasis on the community that has made many of the previous phones I've owned so great. I want that for the ZF2.
I'll probably start development for this phone once i get it. Never worked with an x86 android device before but it sounds like a fun challenge
Tuanies said:
This is my push from Technical Marketing for North America due to needs and wants for the US market. I place great emphasis on the community that has made many of the previous phones I've owned so great. I want that for the ZF2.
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Hi,
I've got some sort of situation here concerning building the kernel for ZF2 on my own. I downloaded the kernel source from ASUS website and followed the instructions one by one (download the android source code, use the appropriate toolchain, issue the kernel build command using fhd_defconfig, etc.
The phone boots and works good, BUT:
The phone never gets to deep sleep mode because of hsic_s3_wlock (kernel wakelock from USB HSIC). Could you please ask someone from the technical department to check what is causing this or if any config entry is missing? I am really starting to doubt that this is something I can influence at all
Now that we have kernel sources can we port the pixels camera or do we still need a few more things? Also when can we expect to see some roms that use the kernel sources for this device?
Well the kernels were only released 5 minutes ago...
silverblack said:
Well the kernels were only released 5 minutes ago...
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Maybe it would help speed things up if we started a petition?
silverblack said:
Well the kernels were only released 5 minutes ago...
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It's just one kernel. What ever....
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It's just one kernel. What ever....
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Yaaaaawwwnnnn
Hi guys , I have talked with a owner of Nexus 6P | Nexus 5x | Pixel | LG V20 and Developer of roms for this phones , and he makes the WETA Rom for this devices.
The first talk I had with him I asked him if we could get him a Mi5s if he could do a Nexus/Pixel experience for our Mi5s and seeing that he has a Pixel and some Nexus I think he would be perfect to Build a nice Pixel Rom for our devices.
But to do this we would have to make a Funding so we could get him a Mi5s.
What do you think about this?
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Hi guys , I have talked with a owner of Nexus 6P | Nexus 5x | Pixel | LG V20 and Developer of roms for this phones , and he makes the WETA Rom for this devices.
The first talk I had with him I asked him if we could get him a Mi5s if he could do a Nexus/Pixel experience for our Mi5s and seeing that he has a Pixel and some Nexus I think he would be perfect to Build a nice Pixel Rom for our devices.
But to do this we would have to make a Funding so we could get him a Mi5s.
What do you think about this?
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It would be cool. And it can be arranged.
But look, the developer buys the phone, makes the firmware on it, what differences will it have from AOSP? A camera from a pixel?
I think the main thing that people are interested in is the creation of a mod that replaces the standard image processing libraries with similar ones from a Google pixel.
WETA rom will also be interesting, is it the focus on the audio capabilities of the phone?
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It would be cool. And it can be arranged.
But look, the developer buys the phone, makes the firmware on it, what differences will it have from AOSP? A camera from a pixel?
I think the main thing that people are interested in is the creation of a mod that replaces the standard image processing libraries with similar ones from a Google pixel.
WETA rom will also be interesting, is it the focus on the audio capabilities of the phone?
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I think we could ask him if he could port the Pixel Camera and it's capabilities to the Rom seeing that the Pixel has the same Sensor.
But yeah basically the WETA Rom as I understood it is focused on the Audio Capabilities and in Stability.
But the only thing is that we would have to join forces so we could all just donate 1€ or something like that and get him a Mi5s.
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I think we could ask him if he could port the Pixel Camera and it's capabilities to the Rom seeing that the Pixel has the same Sensor.
But yeah basically the WETA Rom as I understood it is focused on the Audio Capabilities and in Stability.
But the only thing is that we would have to join forces so we could all just donate 1€ or something like that and get him a Mi5s.
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Okay, you personally know him?) In any case, I think we need to first ask about the camera, it's about porting the algorithms to mi5s)
As soon as you ask him, keep us informed, because its very interesting :highfive:
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Okay, you personally know him?) In any case, I think we need to first ask about the camera, it's about porting the algorithms to mi5s)
As soon as you ask him, keep us informed, because its very interesting :highfive:
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agreed
We need more information, then, i think, donation won't be a problem.
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It would be cool. And it can be arranged.
But look, the developer buys the phone, makes the firmware on it, what differences will it have from AOSP? A camera from a pixel?
I think the main thing that people are interested in is the creation of a mod that replaces the standard image processing libraries with similar ones from a Google pixel.
WETA rom will also be interesting, is it the focus on the audio capabilities of the phone?
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Okay, you personally know him?) In any case, I think we need to first ask about the camera, it's about porting the algorithms to mi5s)
As soon as you ask him, keep us informed, because its very interesting :highfive:
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I don't personally know him , I just reached out to him when I bought my Mi5s so I could get an ideia if any Dev with a Pixel would be interested in developing Roms to the Xiaomi Mi5s
And he answered me with a positive note back at that time , now I have reached out to him again to see if he is still interested in making a Rom to our Mi5s in case we could get him one and as soon as he answers me I will ask him about the camera. Because as all of us , I too want a Pixel perfect Rom for our Xiaomi Mi5s , it would be the Cherry on top of the cake.
I would also make a bit of donations for his phone
i used weta on my previous gs6 and i must say, stable and good rom. Dev was quick in answering in that days..
I have faith in him
Hi there , guys I'm sorry to have taken so much time to answer you, but this is because the Weta Dev stop answering me I don't know why.
I have talked with another Dev's from the Pixel Section and 3 Devs have answered me with a positive atitude saying that they wouldn't mind to try to Make a Pixel rom for our Mi5s.
Are you guys still interested in trying to get Money to buy them a Mi5s and seeing with they can do it?
Best regards
Oh yes
Yea
Okay, where do we start?
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Oh yes
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Yea
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Okay, where do we start?
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So where do we start?
I guess first we should choose which one of the Dev's we want to try it seeing that we have more than one.
Second I think would be to make a new Thread to see how many people can donate and see if we could get the money to buy the device.
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So where do we start?
I guess first we should choose which one of the Dev's we want to try it seeing that we have more than one.
Second I think would be to make a new Thread to see how many people can donate and see if we could get the money to buy the device.
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i agree
Is it possible to update htc 10 camera app to a newer version (it currently is 8.6 something on oreo stock ) . As far as I know there is a 9.* version. Is there a way to use a newer version of htc camera that better utilizes the sensor or the best way is to find a good enough google camera app ( since many are buggy )
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Is it possible to update htc 10 camera app to a newer version (it currently is 8.6 something on oreo stock ) . As far as I know there is a 9.* version. Is there a way to use a newer version of htc camera that better utilizes the sensor or the best way is to find a good enough google camera app ( since many are buggy )
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Yes. Install one of the UpDates from HTC Camera.
Ehm did not really work. Get an error app not installed during installation.
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Yes. Install one of the UpDates from HTC Camera.
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Did not really work. Get an error during installation of any version . App not installed.
Apologies
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Did not really work. Get an error during installation of any version . App not installed.
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My humblest apologies for being so late on this -but- you can try these two apps from Google Play:
Camera FV-5 Lite and
Cinema FV-5 Lite
There are also Pro versions which will cost you some dollars.
They have lots of settings. The HTC camera did both the stills and videos but these are two separate apps.
Take care,
-Chuck
Is there any port of HTC Cameara making it work on ROMs without Sense like LOS?
Meshok said:
Is there any port of HTC Cameara making it work on ROMs without Sense like LOS?
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How would that be possible without the sense framework ?
Los no sense = no sense framework layer.
If it would be possible it would have been done years ago .....
This actually installs on crdroid N.
Can't say for O, P, Q
But gcam takes far better shots.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s10/themes/htc-sense-s10s-t3917979
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How would that be possible without the sense framework ?
Los no sense = no sense framework layer.
If it would be possible it would have been done years ago .....
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Sense Framework is just a set of native libs + APKs.
When you need to port an app using them, you just have to "bake" them into your app's APK. So instead of using system-wide installed stuff, a ported app would use the ones from its own APK.
The only major two issues are poorer compatibility of such app across Android SDK versions and larger APK size compared to the original APK targetted a system with pre-installed Sense.
Actually, HTC has published a set of its Sense apps available for any device already.
And fortunately, HTC Camera works on LOS 16
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This actually installs on crdroid N.
Can't say for O, P, Q
But gcam takes far better shots.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s10/themes/htc-sense-s10s-t3917979
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Thank you the link, I didn't know about this port.
What do you mean by "gcam takes far better shots"? If you're talking about image quality it depends solely on camera's hardware quality (which obviously is the same in both cases) + a set of settings a camera app sends to the hardware for taking an image.
How a generic gcam written to work with any cameras from horrible ones to best-of-breed (thus having multitude of compromises in its source code) could send better settings to the HTC OEM hardware compared to a HTC's own native Camera app on HTC device?
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Sense Framework is just a set of native libs + APKs.
When you need to port an app using them, you just have to "bake" them into your app's APK. So instead of using system-wide installed stuff, a ported app would use the ones from its own APK.
The only major two issues are poorer compatibility of such app across Android SDK versions and larger APK size compared to the original APK targetted a system with pre-installed Sense.
Actually, HTC has published a set of its Sense apps available for any device already.
And fortunately, HTC Camera works on LOS 16
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Thank you the link, I didn't know about this port.
What do you mean by "gcam takes far better shots"? If you're talking about image quality it depends solely on camera's hardware quality (which obviously is the same in both cases) + a set of settings a camera app sends to the hardware for taking an image.
How a generic gcam written to work with any cameras from horrible ones to best-of-breed (thus having multitude of compromises in its source code) could send better settings to the HTC OEM hardware compared to a HTC's own native Camera app on HTC device?
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lmao
don't know or care
a thank you doesn't hurt either.
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lmao
don't know or care
a thank you doesn't hurt either.
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Ok, just checking since in your OP you've said it so that I've thought there are objective measures why gcam would produce better shots than HTC Cam.
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Ok, just checking since in your OP you've said it so that I've thought there are objective measures why gcam would produce better shots than HTC Cam.
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LOL dude, OP stands for "Opening Post" and that's not me.
And I have nothing to do with gcam development, like literally what are you talking about bro?
Try them both out.. I didn't have to find that htc camera app for you and I have no interest in using it..
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Ok, just checking since in your OP you've said it so that I've thought there are objective measures why gcam would produce better shots than HTC Cam.
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Hold on, you are asking why you can’t use HTC sense camera on non sense ROMs yet HTC camera works on Los which is a non sense ROM..... if that is so why do you ask such a question ?
That is a massive contradiction.........making it so that your initial question doesn’t stand ground at all.
Cheers, enjoy the htc camera
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Ok, just checking since in your OP you've said it so that I've thought there are objective measures why gcam would produce better shots than HTC Cam.
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You know, you could Google for an explanation instead of going after @andybones, the person that tried to help you out with a great suggestion.
If you take a little time you'll see that the gcam ports are omnipresent, every single device subforum has a request or a thread for one. To answer your question, it's been known for a while now that the hardware isn't the only, or even main determining factor for image quality in smartphones, and Google showed that better then anyone with the Pixel lineup. Those devices have inferior camera hardware, but shoot the absolute best pics. And it's all down to the software processing that the camera app has, which still works with the ports, even with the shortcuts and loss of features that are expected.
Go ahead and give it a try, I actually came back to this forum looking for the port so I can install it on my mom's HTC 10 since the stock camera is pretty underwhelming
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LOL dude, OP stands for "Opening Post" and that's not me.
And I have nothing to do with gcam development, like literally what are you talking about bro?
Try them both out.. I didn't have to find that htc camera app for you and I have no interest in using it..
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@andybones Oh, sorry! I've made an outrageous mistake by typing 'your OP' instead of 'your answer to me'. Not everyone has perfect English here. Excuse me, sir! Thank you for letting me know what's OP acronym stands for!
I haven'r said you have something to do with gcam development. Let me repeat myself:
>>> You've said it so that I've thought there are objective measures why gcam would produce better shots than HTC Cam.
That's all what I've meant to say you in response.
If I'd get objective arguments instead of personal opinions why gcam could be better and in which respects, I'll definitely try it out and only if those respects would be important to me.
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Hold on, you are asking why you can’t use HTC sense camera on non sense ROMs yet HTC camera works on Los which is a non sense ROM..... if that is so why do you ask such a question ?
That is a massive contradiction.........making it so that your initial question doesn’t stand ground at all.
Cheers, enjoy the htc camera
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Wow Did you know that Sense apps could (and are) ported on non-Sense ROMs?
If you did not, do a research on this topic before commenting on something you know little about.
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it's been known for a while now that the hardware isn't the only, or even main determining factor for image quality
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I haven't said 'only'. Instead, I added the following '+' clause to my initialstatement:
>>> image quality it depends solely on camera's hardware quality (which obviously is the same in both cases) + a set of settings a camera app sends to the hardware for taking an image.
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Google showed that better then anyone with the Pixel lineup. Those devices have inferior camera hardware, but shoot the absolute best pics. And it's all down to the software processing that the camera app has, which still works with the ports
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If gcam was absolute best with Pixel hardware, why do we know it'd be absolute best with any other random hardware like HTC 10 hardware?
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@andybones Oh, sorry! I've made an outrageous mistake by typing 'your OP' instead of 'your answer to me'. Not everyone has perfect English here. Excuse me, sir! Thank you for letting me know what's OP acronym stands for!
I haven'r said you have something to do with gcam development. Let me repeat myself:
>>> You've said it so that I've thought there are objective measures why gcam would produce better shots than HTC Cam.
That's all what I've meant to say you in response.
If I'd get objective arguments instead of personal opinions why gcam could be better and in which respects, I'll definitely try it out and only if those respects would be important to me.
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Wow Did you know that Sense apps could (and are) ported on non-Sense ROMs?
If you did not, do a research on this topic before commenting on something you know little about.
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I haven't said 'only'. Instead, I added the following '+' clause to my initialstatement:
>>> image quality it depends solely on camera's hardware quality (which obviously is the same in both cases) + a set of settings a camera app sends to the hardware for taking an image.
If gcam was absolute best with Pixel hardware, why do we know it'd be absolute best with any other random hardware like HTC 10 hardware?
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I don't care enough to get wound up, so I'll put this as nice and clearly as I can for you.
#1 - here at XDA this is an ENGLISH ONLY forum, so no you aren't excused.
#2 - yes, OP stands for ONE thing here. Opening Post. Not whatever you come up with as type.
#3- do us all a favor and go read the rules.
#4- I can't even begin to tell you how ridiculous you sound using MY SEACHING and answer to be petty to others. How about you go and search. If you did, I wouldn't of needed to hand feed you and be here dealing with you.
#5- it amazes me that you honestly think that anyone is going to stumble on this post and be like yeaa, let's help this guy out. No. You literally just saved everyone a lot of trouble and their time.
I said try them both, that's not being objective.
This is a joke.
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andybones said:
I don't care enough to get wound up, so I'll put this as nice and clearly as I can for you.
#1 - here at XDA this is an ENGLISH ONLY forum, so no you aren't excused.
#2 - yes, OP stands for ONE thing here. Opening Post. Not whatever you come up with as type.
#3- do us all a favor and go read the rules.
#4- I can't even begin to tell you how ridiculous you sound using MY SEACHING and answer to be petty to others. How about you go and search. If you did, I wouldn't of needed to hand feed you and be here dealing with you.
#5- it amazes me that you honestly think that anyone is going to stumble on this post and be like yeaa, let's help this guy out. No. You literally just saved everyone a lot of trouble and their time.
I said try them both, that's not being objective.
This is a joke.
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All you're saying is so sad to hear You make me really feel my quilt. But I promise you I will do my best to correct all the things you've mentioned above! Hopefully, you'd excuse me one day seeing my effort to become a better human being...
Also, next time when somebody would ask me about a 'camera app X port' in a topic dedicated to that canera X app, I'd answer 'Dude, camera app Y is the best, But don't ask me why. Use Google to prove my own opinion'.
Thank you fir this lesson, too! Is this also a rule in your XDA rule set?
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That's fair enough.
I just attempted to get your objective arguments on your subjective statement.
Because 'X is better than Y' without objective arguments is a subjective statement. If you're not gonna provide them here, that's fine. Nobody is hurt
I think we've perfectly understood each other So following your great example - I'm not gonna continue the 'gcam is better than X' discussion anymore. Thank you for your advice and have a great evening!
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Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!
xflowy said:
Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!
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I know we have one of the best time devs he had a locked bootloader Las t I heard tho
xflowy said:
Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!
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I'm using this kernel: https://forum.xda-developers.com/on...-pro-cross-device-development/kernel-t4002781
It is very good.
xflowy said:
Hey,
since I am getting my 7t soon and always valued the oneplus phones as developer friendly I am wondering if the lack of devs and roms/kernels for this particular phone will sort itself out over time? Is there any issue preventing things like proper twrp and stuff from happening?
Can you recommend a kernel (from the few out there) and is there any other place to look for them?
ElementalX has it covered, right?
Thanks!
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There's plenty of development for this phone, just not on xda.
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There's plenty of development for this phone, just not on xda.
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you kidding right?
One of the major Problems is twrp still needs time for Android 10.
It's a problem for every device.
You also have the option of arter97's kernel that he just brought to the 7t
[r40] arter97 kernel for OnePlus 7 series
There may not be a huge quantity of devs for the phone yet but in this case, you have a few very good developers already.
Oh and on a side note, Arter97 is helping to bring Paranoid Android back to the scene so good things are coming.
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There's plenty of development for this phone, just not on xda.
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Where ?
Do you have some telegram links ?
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Where ?
Do you have some telegram links ?
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Most of those links are semi-private by invite-only.
Developers got tired of requests and demands from rookie users on XDA, and rightly or wrongly felt under-appreciated at complaints about their free for-fun work...and then took their for-funsies development to more private areas. There also has been much squabbling and drama about "originality" and "kanging" in conjunction with moderation here over the decade+ Android has been a thing; which annoyed developers more. XDA really was a victim of XDA's and Androids own success over crappy OEMs undermaintaining their own firmware. Thus the seeming deadness and lack of development across most devices, now.
I know links and very active and very-elite groups on TG--but am not sharing them, because then I'll lose my own access to those channels. Not trying to show-off or be a jerk here, just explaining how and why.
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Most of those links are semi-private by invite-only.
Developers got tired of requests and demands from rookie users on XDA, and rightly or wrongly felt under-appreciated at complaints about their free for-fun work...and then took their for-funsies development to more private areas. There also has been much squabbling and drama about "originality" and "kanging" in conjunction with moderation here over the decade+ Android has been a thing; which annoyed developers more. XDA really was a victim of XDA's and Androids own success over crappy OEMs undermaintaining their own firmware. Thus the seeming deadness and lack of development across most devices, now.
I know links and very active and very-elite groups on TG--but am not sharing them, because then I'll lose my own access to those channels. Not trying to show-off or be a jerk here, just explaining how and why.
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Awhhh man , PM me.
I try to contribute, I am working on a new nethunter kernel that supports
mjwhirly said:
You also have the option of arter97's kernel that he just brought to the 7t
[r40] arter97 kernel for OnePlus 7 series
There may not be a huge quantity of devs for the phone yet but in this case, you have a few very good developers already.
Oh and on a side note, Arter97 is helping to bring Paranoid Android back to the scene so good things are coming.
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yea, saw this and got excited cause he really seems to know his stuff, but then i realized he just released the last/final version for oos and wont be continuing to provide for the original os.
Skripka said:
Most of those links are semi-private by invite-only.
Developers got tired of requests and demands from rookie users on XDA, and rightly or wrongly felt under-appreciated at complaints about their free for-fun work...and then took their for-funsies development to more private areas. There also has been much squabbling and drama about "originality" and "kanging" in conjunction with moderation here over the decade+ Android has been a thing; which annoyed developers more. XDA really was a victim of XDA's and Androids own success over crappy OEMs undermaintaining their own firmware. Thus the seeming deadness and lack of development across most devices, now.
I know links and very active and very-elite groups on TG--but am not sharing them, because then I'll lose my own access to those channels. Not trying to show-off or be a jerk here, just explaining how and why.
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and how do one get access to those elitist circles if one is not a newbish user?
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and how do one get access to those elitist circles if one is not a newbish user?
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I'd like to know as well. I just past 12 years of membership last week. I think that qualifies me as non-noob.
I was here when they were developing for the old Windows Mobile.
Ditto
Superguy said:
I'd like to know as well. I just past 12 years of membership last week. I think that qualifies me as non-noob.
I was here when they were developing for the old Windows Mobile.
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Also on year 12 and originally from WM days. Back when HTC was THE phone to own.
Would also be interested in the alternate site. I am not a dev but gladly test pretty much everything.
I miss the old Nexus days easy to root support galore.
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Also on year 12 and originally from WM days. Back when HTC was THE phone to own.
Would also be interested in the alternate site. I am not a dev but gladly test pretty much everything.
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Yep - cut my teeth on the HTC phones. Still used them off and on up to the 10.
NATF used to do the best WM ROMs back in the day.
So What Should I Do? OnePlus 7 Pro or 7T?
aaryan45 said:
So What Should I Do? OnePlus 7 Pro or 7T?
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7t has the 855+, not sure a out the pro. There is a pro 7t available
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7t has the 855+, not sure a out the pro. There is a pro 7t available
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My main concern is that, will 7t get great custom ROM support as other OnePlus phones
aaryan45 said:
My main concern is that, will 7t get great custom ROM support as other OnePlus phones
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Why not? Just wait for twrp development. 7 pro, 7T and 7T pro will have same rom and kernal development as the source is almost same.
Kindly don't leave samsung A71 users alone.we have to much hope and faith that the developers will be developing their ROMS for this device too.
Thanks
Regards
XDAFan
If you check other 730 or 730G devices, you can quickly find two flaws.
- There are no roms or development whatsoever.
- The battery life / power usage of this specific chip is pretty bad.
It is rumored that the Pixel 4a (or XL?) will use a 730, so that may help, even though Pixel 3a has never had any rom development either really.
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If you check other 730 or 730G devices, you can quickly find two flaws.
- There are no roms or development whatsoever.
- The battery life / power usage of this specific chip is pretty bad.
It is rumored that the Pixel 4a (or XL?) will use a 730, so that may help, even though Pixel 3a has never had any rom development either really.
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Lol !
So what ? this device won't get root or even twrp ??
Do you mean that ?
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If you check other 730 or 730G devices, you can quickly find two flaws.
- There are no roms or development whatsoever.
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I don't think this is true and I believe there's nothing wrong with 730 / 730G. You say that there are no roms or development WHATSOEVER for other devices running the same SoC, take a look over Redmi K20 / Xiaomi Mi 9T sub-forum here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-9t/development. I can see many roms available already so neither the 730 is bad nor the devices running on top of it are left in the dust. It is a matter of market interest and let's be honest, many mid-range devices exist that give better value for money than Galaxy A71 and it happens that most of them run other SoC and therefore, 730 may not get enough attention and that's all.
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- The battery life / power usage of this specific chip is pretty bad.
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I'm sorry but this is just BS. Here's what Qualcomm says about it:
The Snapdragon 730 serves up powerful performance and impressive battery life. It’s built to handle some of the most sophisticated on-device interactions, fueled by an 8nm process for extreme power efficiency in a small size.
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It is not that Qualcomm advertising their SoC, the better the technology (8nm), the more power-efficiency the SoC is. If you still insist on you opinion, please share some references that backs your claim up.
I believe the best statement to say here already said by the OP in the topic title: we want fully developers support to this device. It is not that developers hate 730 or that it is bad but they don't find enough reasons to buy devices with 730 because other better phones (overall) with the same price (or more affordable phones with similar performance but different SoC) exist.
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Kindly don't leave samsung A71 users alone.we have to much hope and faith that the developers will be developing their ROMS for this device too.
Thanks
Regards
XDAFan
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Lol
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BeroNacci said:
Lol !
So what ? this device won't get root or even twrp ??
Do you mean that ?
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Twrp is pretty useless with nothing to flash with it
Root and twrpwould be superb.
Not useless, as you can flash mods, like screen bootlogo to hide boot locker warning for example.
I got rid of the s10 plus and got an A71.
Could not justify the pricetag and performance compared to the a71.
So sold on, and half of that money bought me the a71, happ days
Aslong as can root which is main thing, do some customisation's, i'm happy
I'd be willing to do a custom ROM release for the A71 if I knew where to start, I'm a developer but never worked on Android "ROMs" before.
My goal would be a clean stable version of the Stock OS with the Google/Pixel apps installed and the Samsung crud removed.
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If you check other 730 or 730G devices, you can quickly find two flaws.
- There are no roms or development whatsoever.
- The battery life / power usage of this specific chip is pretty bad.
It is rumored that the Pixel 4a (or XL?) will use a 730, so that may help, even though Pixel 3a has never had any rom development either really.
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Check out poco x2/redmi k30 for more eye opening information....
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- There are no roms or development whatsoever.
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That's a real shame. Even debloated original rom would be great.
- The battery life / power usage of this specific chip is pretty bad.
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Two days of normal usage (12-14h SOT) is not that bad. No gaming though.
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I'd be willing to do a custom ROM release for the A71 if I knew where to start, I'm a developer but never worked on Android "ROMs" before.
My goal would be a clean stable version of the Stock OS with the Google/Pixel apps installed and the Samsung crud removed.
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You could maybe do something with gsi's? Optimise it for our device? Or maybe this tutorial can help you:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...g/guide-how-to-build-unsupported-rom-t3844972
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If you check other 730 or 730G devices, you can quickly find two flaws.
- There are no roms or development whatsoever.
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wtf man haha just look at Realme X2, Xiaomi Mi 9T, Redmi K30...
joaocbbc said:
wtf man haha just look at Realme X2, Xiaomi Mi 9T, Redmi K30...
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Oh wait, you replied to my three months old comment... okay.
So maybe my prediction was incorrect... I made a mistake... let's check: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-a71/development
Oh no.. I was 100% right. Dayum. Shame. Good try though.
(sorry for sarcasm but why reply like I messed up when my comment stood the test of time.. sadly. I wish these devices were supported, trust me.)
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Oh wait, you replied to my three months old comment... okay.
So maybe my prediction was incorrect... I made a mistake... let's check: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-a71/development
Oh no.. I was 100% right. Dayum. Shame. Good try though.
(sorry for sarcasm but why reply like I messed up when my comment stood the test of time.. sadly. I wish these devices were supported, trust me.)
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Hey man, I didn't said you was wrong about that nor have I said that A71 has active developers right now. I just stated the fact that your affirmation that SD730(G) devices did not have ROMs or development was wrong. Just that. About the fact that A71 doesn't have ROMs or development, you're 100% right.
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Hey man, I didn't said you was wrong about that nor have I said that A71 has active developers right now. I just stated the fact that your affirmation that SD730(G) devices did not have ROMs or development was wrong. Just that. About the fact that A71 doesn't have ROMs or development, you're 100% right.
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Uguys want to change this about a71?
If yes, please search for a71 development group in telegram. Step by step, every one can contribute to start decelopment. It will b extremely hard since most samsung snapdragon bssed devices released in 2019 and after will face lot of issues in sources and bug fixing. This is exactly how a70 decelopment started. It is still in a developingvphase. But because of contributions from every one and some exceptional devs like grarak, xtutorials etc.. a70 has an almost workable source to start with.
Lets see if a71 ysers are just as keen as a70 users to bring custom development for this device.
Joining the telegram group would be a start. We can coordinate from there on.
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Oh wait, you replied to my three months old comment... okay.
So maybe my prediction was incorrect... I made a mistake... let's check: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-a71/development
Oh no.. I was 100% right. Dayum. Shame. Good try though.
(sorry for sarcasm but why reply like I messed up when my comment stood the test of time.. sadly. I wish these devices were supported, trust me.)
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Considering the amount of publicity this phone has been getting, it's just a matter of time.
Once there's proper source code for a ROM to be developed, you'll see ROMs being developed.
As it stands, the device is brand new, I mean come on it came out in January.
If my previous phone (Nokia 7 Plus) had custom ROMs despite not being able to unlock the bootloader for free because Nokia wouldn't let you, I doubt this phone won't get any ROMs.
has anyone tried any treble roms with this device?
Was going to say, the amount of publicity this phone has got and still going is up there with main flagship phones.
It is a cracking phone for sure, and would love like many, to have custom roms and further support for it.
We have to be patient, if it happens, all good, if not, it is what it is.
I guess the only bad thing is that there is no way around of not tripping Knox, despite it being a Qualcomm phone and not an Exynos phone.
So if you have insurance and/or warranty, you can kiss those two good bye the minute you decide to tamper with the bootloader.
isnt is possible to install AOSP GSI by phussion?
SURPRISE!
Hi guys, I am developer from Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite, and interesting in development to this device.
Mine ideas for this device:
* Debloated stock - stock with trash app removed, added features and other optimizing.
* TWRP - rooting and flashing will be easier
* Custom ROMs - any description needed here?
And ofc we will try boot GSI (maybe sGSI too) for this device!
Stay tuned!
(1st debloated stock version will be evelible in few weeks)
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brownah92 said:
isnt is possible to install AOSP GSI by phussion?
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should boot
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brownah92 said:
isnt is possible to install AOSP GSI by phussion?
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Yeah, GSI should boot here.
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By the way, what do you guys think about making thread for this, so users will see something is happening, or this is too early?