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LG's software update record?

Hey folks. Looking at the G3, but I'm wondering how good LG has been with keeping their previous phones up to date. I know we have custom roms, but even those tend to be better if made from an official release. Anyone have past experience with LG?

Most of it is due to your carrier, but LG getting it there is on the slower side as well.
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Yes 2 past experiences with lg. One never got updates other OGP still on 4.1.2 in India as launched since last 14 months.
Helping Others is helping Ourself

On g2 which is kinda how they are handling their flagships updates were in line with everyone else
Sent from the BEST phone I've ever owned my LG G2

their "flagship" Flex took 6 months to get kit kat
their G2 took a long time as well months to get it
both on T Mobile
Problem is, you can never really tell if its the mfg or the carrier that makes this process so incredibly s-l-o-w

It was discussed already in all Optimus forums like http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46985909& and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2465663 and here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2491277
wase4711 said:
their "flagship" Flex took 6 months to get kit kat
their G2 took a long time as well months to get it
both on T Mobile
Problem is, you can never really tell if its the mfg or the carrier that makes this process so incredibly s-l-o-w
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Of course its your carrier which is to blame. I've bought F320K and have had my kitkat on Christmas present, around 27 December. Yes, stock Kitkat on G2 was available before New Years eve.

yeah, that is probably the case; although, of course, when I would call tmobile and ask why there was no update out, they always said that LG hadnt released it to them, so you can't really know who was feeding the line of BS to folks..

NaveenKumarXDA said:
Yes 2 past experiences with lg. One never got updates other OGP still on 4.1.2 in India as launched since last 14 months.
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wase4711 said:
yeah, that is probably the case; although, of course, when I would call tmobile and ask why there was no update out, they always said that LG hadnt released it to them, so you can't really know who was feeding the line of BS to folks..
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First of all. .. If you believe anything you hear from customer service of any of the u.s. carriers them I have some ocean front property in Phoenix to sell you.... none of them know anything ... They are just lackies who don't really care about their jobs and could really care less about the phones etc .... Yes I will abut l admit their are a couple that do know but 99.99 % are freaking retarded
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agreed; I never call them when I really want to know the "facts"; I do have a inside contact in mgmt at T-Mobile, who all along admitted they weren't sure when kit kat was actually going to be out for the 2 lg phones I have..
my only point was if you are buying a phone from any of the domestic carriers in the USA, you can never really be sure when and if your OS will be updated, so if that's important to you, a unlocked, international model might be a better choice. What annoyed me was the "implied" promise of kit kat, on the G2 and the Flex from LG never actually turned out to be accurate, and, as I said, It took 6 months for kit kat to come to the Flex, which seems crazy, for their "cutting edge, top of the line" product..

Chances are that if you are not receiving updates it is only because your carrier doesn't give a rats ass about your satisfaction. Un-branded and unlocked devices typically receive updates shortly after new versions are released by Google. The order of major manufacturers' speed in updating software goes like this:
Motorola
HTC
Samsung
LG.
I highly recommend unlocked devices if you have the money to spend. However if you a poor schmuck like me and rely on contract devices, then you can either root and flash custom ROMS (say goodbye to warranty) or suffer in eternal damnation like the damn peasants that we are (according to carriers).
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mediumsteak said:
Chances are that if you are not receiving updates it is only because your carrier doesn't give a rats ass about your satisfaction. Un-branded and unlocked devices typically receive updates shortly after new versions are released by Google. The order of major manufacturers' speed in updating software goes like this:
Motorola
HTC
Samsung
LG.
I highly recommend unlocked devices if you have the money to spend. However if you a poor schmuck like me and rely on contract devices, then you can either root and flash custom ROMS (say goodbye to warranty) or suffer in eternal damnation like the damn peasants that we are (according to carriers).
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I have both G & G Pro unlocked but never got update since last year .

NaveenKumarXDA said:
I have both G & G Pro unlocked but never update since last year .
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Korean version will be the first device to be updated.
Only then LG will work on Int'l version.
Of course US Residents(Tmo,att,verzion,sprint etc..) will get updates later than the int'l version due to carriers.
As far as I know, G2 int'l version got kitkat two or three months later the Korean version got it...
I know this so well because I have been watching LG from Optimus LTE2 (Currently using)... (G G Pro G2 GFlex Gpro2) - I am Korean

Samsung and HTC used to be notorious for slow updates, now LG has the tag. With any of the new Flagships (S series, M series, G series) updates will be in line with each other. My G2 got Kit Kat on T-Mobile before my wifes HTC M7 did.

[Q] Does the G4 artificially sharpen the contents of the screen?

I was originally considering picking up a G3, but decided against doing so because of the many reports of artificial "over-sharpening" of the picture quality. Since G4s have come down in price, they are now on my radar as well, so my question for the community is simple - does the G4 suffer from the same artificial sharpening that the G3 does?

Bill720 said:
I was originally considering picking up a G3, but decided against doing so because of the many reports of artificial "over-sharpening" of the picture quality. Since G4s have come down in price, they are now on my radar as well, so my question for the community is simple - does the G4 suffer from the same artificial sharpening that the G3 does?
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On the camera it does unless you set it for raw. Ive taken many night shots that have been butchered by the camera and the prossessing

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On the camera it does unless you set it for raw. Ive taken many night shots that have been butchered by the camera and the prossessing
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I'm talking about the screen; not the camera (although if the camera's pictures are degraded worse than comparable devices, it is important to consider also).

Bill720 said:
I'm talking about the screen; not the camera (although if the camera's pictures are degraded worse than comparable devices, it is important to consider also).
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U should more be considering about the bootloop issue in the g4 if u buy a used phone or new...buy g3 tmobile version only there is no bootloop in g3

Lol, off topic; let's get back to the question at hand
jinderation said:
U should more be considering about the bootloop issue in the g4 if u buy a used phone or new...buy g3 tmobile version only there is no bootloop in g3
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Lol, not using TMobile. And while I now know that the artificial sharpening problem on the G3 can be defeated, my question still remains if it is an issue on the G4.

Bill720 said:
Lol, not using TMobile. And while I now know that the artificial sharpening problem on the G3 can be defeated, my question still remains if it is an issue on the G4.
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Yeah it does. I never hands on g3 but can confirm on G4 .

bummer!
rajkatiyar07 said:
Yeah it does. I never hands on g3 but can confirm on G4 .
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Bummer. Do any of the available Roms offer a way to defeat it?

Bill720 said:
Bummer. Do any of the available Roms offer a way to defeat it?
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own H818N so cant unlock the bootloader. so no flashing of the ROMs

Good to know
rajkatiyar07 said:
own H818N so cant unlock the bootloader. so no flashing of the ROMs
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That's a bummer. I'm guessing the situation isn't much better on the Verizon variant of the phone, so it looks like the G4 is probably out of the question as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for the information though.

Bill720 said:
That's a bummer. I'm guessing the situation isn't much better on the Verizon variant of the phone, so it looks like the G4 is probably out of the question as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for the information though.
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Mate don't listen to these guys, they don't know what they're talking about...
The G4 does *NOT* suffer from G3's sharpening problems (personal experience as well as many reviews, check Anandtech's which is the best review site) and new G4's almost don't suffer from bootloop problems.
The display is brilliant, the phone is great, good battery and nice custom ROM support. If you want a G4 definitely buy it, now that price is low it has terrific value for money
P.S.: the camera as well is simply superb, just check "G4 Picture Samples" thread here on XDA

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Mate don't listen to these guys, they don't know what they're talking about...
The G4 does *NOT* suffer from G3's sharpening problems (personal experience as well as many reviews, check Anandtech's which is the best review site) and new G4's almost don't suffer from bootloop problems.
The display is brilliant, the phone is great, good battery and nice custom ROM support. If you want a G4 definitely buy it, now that price is low it has terrific value for money
P.S.: the camera as well is simply superb, just check "G4 Picture Samples" thread here on XDA
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Interesting. Do you know how the custom Rom and kernel support is with regard to the Verizon variant of the G4? I was just on the G3 forums and there is apparently a lot of hoops that have to be jumped through in order to get custom recovery on a Verizon G3. Is it any easier and better on the G4? Are there any noteworthy pitfalls?

Bill720 said:
Interesting. Do you know how the custom Rom and kernel support is with regard to the Verizon variant of the G4? I was just on the G3 forums and there is apparently a lot of hoops that have to be jumped through in order to get custom recovery on a Verizon G3. Is it any easier and better on the G4? Are there any noteworthy pitfalls?
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I honestly don't know, but I suggest you buy an unlocked H815 international model since it's for sure the most supported.

The G4 has great value for money now. The camera is superb. The screen is amazing and no it doesn't over sharp anything. This was only on G3. Battery life is OK nothing super but definitely not terrible. Newer G4s do not suffer from the Bootloop. The phone only misses a fingerprint reader. If you want root and custom ROMs but the international H815 which you can unlock.

VS986 or bust
marn3us said:
I honestly don't know, but I suggest you buy an unlocked H815 international model since it's for sure the most supported.
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Riardon said:
The G4 has great value for money now. The camera is superb. The screen is amazing and no it doesn't over sharp anything. This was only on G3. Battery life is OK nothing super but definitely not terrible. Newer G4s do not suffer from the Bootloop. The phone only misses a fingerprint reader. If you want root and custom ROMs but the international H815 which you can unlock.
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The H815 is a no-go for Verizon and Verizon MVNOs. It's gotta be the VS986. I'll check in on the Verizon-specific forums for details on that. Otherwise, I'd have to shell out the extra money for a Moto X Pure Edition, which is currently hovering at just below $200 on the used market; hopefully it and the G4 (whichever I decide to go with) drop off by the time upgrade season rolls around in the spring.

jinderation said:
U should more be considering about the bootloop issue in the g4 if u buy a used phone or new...buy g3 tmobile version only there is no bootloop in g3
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Bootloop is relatively rare - quit being a Trump scare-monger!

WTF? said:
Bootloop is relatively rare - quit being a Trump scare-monger!
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Bootloop is 100% possible guys dont fall for these tricks why because g4 is damn cheap

Bill720 said:
The H815 is a no-go for Verizon and Verizon MVNOs. It's gotta be the VS986. I'll check in on the Verizon-specific forums for details on that. Otherwise, I'd have to shell out the extra money for a Moto X Pure Edition, which is currently hovering at just below $200 on the used market; hopefully it and the G4 (whichever I decide to go with) drop off by the time upgrade season rolls around in the spring.
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I'm sorry for you american guys, having carrier-locked phones sucks hard Europe FTW
Jokes aside, if you can't get an H815 then by all means go read VS986 forums here on XDA.
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Bootloop is 100% possible guys dont fall for these tricks why because g4 is damn cheap
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Newer G4's typically don't suffer from bootloops but they are still possible. Anyways LG does change it under warranty terms if you are so unlucky to get a bootloop on a new G4, even if you have a custom ROM.

marn3us said:
I'm sorry for you american guys, having carrier-locked phones sucks hard Europe FTW
Jokes aside, if you can't get an H815 then by all means go read VS986 forums here on XDA.
Newer G4's typically don't suffer from bootloops but they are still possible. Anyways LG does change it under warranty terms if you are so unlucky to get a bootloop on a new G4, even if you have a custom ROM.
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Why have a headaches to buy a defective device in the first place then wait for it to bootloop then loose all ur imp stuff in the process come here cry try to find solutions to backup data....this is all exhausting ...aint nobody got time for that...mind newer ones are also expensive like 300$ only like the s/n 5xx cost around 200$

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Why have a headaches to buy a defective device in the first place then wait for it to bootloop then loose all ur imp stuff in the process come here cry try to find solutions to backup data....this is all exhausting ...aint nobody got time for that...mind newer ones are also expensive like 300$ only like the s/n 5xx cost around 200$
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LG sold millions of G4 phones, a tiny few of those had the bootloop issue, and LG fixed them. And the reason that you buy an LG G4 is because it was the best phone overall, a year ago, and still is the best phone you can buy today, when you consider removable battery & memory card, camera, screen, audio quality etc. at ANY PRICE.

Tiny few ??? Ahem ahem its a manufacturing fault its bound to happen in every phone atleast with s/n 5xxx ....the blue print of g4 is exactly the same atleast for the older versions...so u are a bit exaggerated about tiny few of g4s while the reported are in millions..they r better options from the g4 like the moto droid turbo buy the 64gb version best phone best price better than g4 it is also cheaper than g4 u can get ot around 180US$ used
Every one Check out the consumer review for lg
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/cell_phones/lg_cell_phones.html

A little advice please: Should I purchase the G4 for not?

Ok so I've been doing some research and HAD narrowed my choice on purchasing a NEW G4 (either H811 or H815) off of eBay. That is till I'd ran across some a crap ton of reviews talking about the bootloop and reading that there is no true fix. So I'm curious as to what precautions I should take if I buy the G4? Are the newer ones still having the same problem? Should I even bother with the purchase?

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Ok so I've been doing some research and HAD narrowed my choice on purchasing a NEW G4 (either H811 or H815) off of eBay. That is till I'd ran across some a crap ton of reviews talking about the bootloop and reading that there is no true fix. So I'm curious as to what precautions I should take if I buy the G4? Are the newer ones still having the same problem? Should I even bother with the purchase?
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Buy, but just bare in mind of the boot loop issue. It's still a great phone even with such as big defect, though if you are looking to root and get custom ROMs get the EUR H815 variants, SEA and other various variants are currently rootable but bootloader locked.
Source: I got a SEA H815 variant and just rooted it, and currently searching for bootloader solutions...

chances are very slim of bootloop but still may happen. i would say go ahead. but if no nougat for us f*** LG.

Appreciate the responses. Especially the tip about buying the European version of the 815. Curious though. I noticed there are custom ROMs for the 811 on the development page? That means its bootloader is unlockable right?

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Appreciate the responses. Especially the tip about buying the European version of the 815. Curious though. I noticed there are custom ROMs for the 811 on the development page? That means its bootloader is unlockable right?
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yes h811 ican be unlocked.. if you in the USA then get the h811. if you in wurope then h815 that can be unlocked not all can.. search google it list of LG G4 that can be unlocked.

I wouldn't recommend it unless if you're into the custom rom scene and getting a unlocked BL phone of course. If it's a locked BL, you'll basically be buying a phone with no more support with a pretty high failure rate. Problem with buying them online is that you don't know if it'll be a newer batch or older one.

I should've clarified better. Yes I plan on using installing a custom ROM once the OS becomes dated. I use Straight Talk and they don't do updates anyway. So I'm guessing it was the older batch of phones they were the main culprit of the bootloop? The one I had my eye from eBay claims the phone is the newest version. Pretty much decided this was the phone for me till I saw the bootloop issue. Kinda leaning towards the HTC M9 now.

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I should've clarified better. Yes I plan on using installing a custom ROM once the OS becomes dated. I use Straight Talk and they don't do updates anyway. So I'm guessing it was the older batch of phones they were the main culprit of the bootloop? The one I had my eye from eBay claims the phone is the newest version. Pretty much decided this was the phone for me till I saw the bootloop issue. Kinda leaning towards the HTC M9 now.
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Check the first 3 digits of the serial. If it starts with 603 or higher you will have a good one . I wouldn't recommend a device where you find something like replaced mainboard or so. It should be really new and untouched.
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Really appreciate the info. Has helped tremendously. One last Q please, does the 603 or higher serial number apply to both the 815 and the 811?

Keep in mind that battery isnt strong if You are average user. I dont play with those kernel tweaks after rooting, so I got no more than 3 hours of screen on time. Usually 2,5 SOT. Also - no nougat as I saw in other posts. So if You want to get ir You will have to root and flash other ROM's to get it....

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Really appreciate the info. Has helped tremendously. One last Q please, does the 603 or higher serial number apply to both the 815 and the 811?
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Yes to both. The higher the better. If you have 608 it means it was manufactured in August 2016. 701 means January 2017.
I have 2 devices with 603 serial on heavy usage.
Ensure you get an unlockable variant because there are h815 variants which cant be unlocked and this is really very recommended for this phone..
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Keep in mind that battery isnt strong if You are average user. I dont play with those kernel tweaks after rooting, so I got no more than 3 hours of screen on time. Usually 2,5 SOT. Also - no nougat as I saw in other posts. So if You want to get ir You will have to root and flash other ROM's to get it....
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Nougat will come . agreed officially by LG !
Q3 this year..
I have 3 to 4 hours SOT but its okay. Main problem is the display drains the most.
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My girlfriend's G4 died like 4 months ago after a year of use (bootloop) and mine died today a couple of hours ago, it just wont start at all completely dead, after a year and a hafl of use, so, NO you shouldn't. The G2 was a beast and the reason I bought the G4. G4 worst piece of crap I ever had, battery problems a ton, display ghosting after a year of use (both mine and my girlfriend's and we didn't buy it from the same seller nor at the same time). Buying a Galaxy S7 edge next week.

LG G4 is a ticking time bomb. Even if it's "fixed from LG. Don't regret the purchase.
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No more developing?

It kind of looks like everyone got rid of there G4? Or was it just not a very popular phone? I've been browsing through the topics a bit and there just doesn't seem to have been as much custom roms or kernels as with other phones in general..
Which is only convincing me more to get the new OnePlus..

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It kind of looks like everyone got rid of there G4? Or was it just not a very popular phone? I've been browsing through the topics a bit and there just doesn't seem to have been as much custom roms or kernels as with other phones in general..
Which is only convincing me more to get the new OnePlus..
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It's not that we are getting rid of the G4 nor it is not popular, it is in fact a very good phone other than its terrible battery life. It's LG who makes us get rid of them. I had no intention to get an OnePlus 3T at all if it wasn't the infamous bootloop issue kicking in. Hope this answers your question.

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It kind of looks like everyone got rid of there G4? Or was it just not a very popular phone? I've been browsing through the topics a bit and there just doesn't seem to have been as much custom roms or kernels as with other phones in general..
Which is only convincing me more to get the new OnePlus..
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They have horrible hardware. Its not if it will bootloop but when. My g4 of 2 years died the other day. Lol i got me a g5. No root no unlock no roms. Just the way i like it. Yea rite. This phone really wasnt popular cause of the horribly locked bootloaders. And hardware issues combined. Ure best bet would be to ditch it asap and get somthin else

It's a shame that LG seemingly supports few models like single SIM international version like the LG H815! For the long 2 years, dual sim didn't even get bootloader unlock! I should have got the LG H815 instead of the H818P. Now I'm aware that LG G6 single sim international version (LG H870) already having root, custom ROM as well as TWRP support! That'll be my next device.

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It's a shame that LG seemingly supports few models like single SIM international version like the LG H815! For the long 2 years, dual sim didn't even get bootloader unlock! I should have got the LG H815 instead of the H818P. Now I'm aware that LG G6 single sim international version (LG H870) already having root, custom ROM as well as TWRP support! That'll be my next device.
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yea im surprised lg doesnt punt software on thier batteries and devices to reconize official batteries and such
i just got a g5 and i cant say im not impressed cause i am but same thing here root on first version released and every one else is on the back burner now with absolutly no future
the g4 and g5 and any of lgs devices except certain models are dead ends now even g4 and hardware issues twrp bootloader unlock id buy another one i know i could get the rite model but shouldnt have too
lg made thereown bed they can sleep in it they want to sell more devices then.

Advice for G4 replacement...

My G4 finally died,after 20 months...
I took it to the store where it was bought,they will send it for repair.I hope they will repair it so I can sell it after...
I'm going to buy another phone but I'm in doubt which one,so I will need your help guys
Moto Z
Moto Z Play
Motorola Droid Turbo 2 XT1585
OnePlus 3T 64GB
Huawei Honor 8 32GB
Huawei P9 32GB
Meizu Pro 6 32GB
Xiaomi Mi 5s Plus 64GB
Or maybe you can think of something nice,except Samsung and LG ofcourse lol

How about HTC U11? Or Huawei P10?

daniLaLaLaLaLa said:
How about HTC U11? Or Huawei P10?
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I don't like Htc...and Huawei P10 is too expencive,450€ is too much for me,300-350€ is maximum for me...

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I don't like Htc...and Huawei P10 is too expencive,450€ is too much for me,300-350€ is maximum for me...
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I see.. Then go for OP3T, it's a really good device with tons of custom rom.. I never use OP3T but i have OP3 before, but i swapped it for LG V20 because i can't live without SD Expandable...LOL
Btw, if you can't live without expandable memory like me... Getting a Huawei P9 or Moto Z is the best alternative ( based on your list )..

Why not keeping the G4?
Buy a new battery and thazs it.
There is no improvement on the mentioned devices.
With some debloating and tweaking the G4 is an awesome device.
Edit and with 35$ you can add wireless charging

Cozmos23 said:
Why not keeping the G4?
Buy a new battery and thazs it.
There is no improvement on the mentioned devices.
With some debloating and tweaking the G4 is an awesome device.
Edit and with 35$ you can add wireless charging
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And then what? To wait for another bootloop? To be 20 days or more without a phone?
It WAS a good phone,for 20 months,but no thanks...

The sellprice for used G4 is too low.
Its just a simple effort use calculation.
And well yea probably waiting for another bootloop, if it happens
And you save a bunch of money which you can spend elsewhere or save it to buy this years flagship next year.
Maybe LG G6?
That would be worth the upgrade.

Wait for the LG V30. Hopefully it still has a removable back

Who the hell counts with months after a year ? It's like moms saying her baby is 74 weeks old wtf

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Wait for the LG V30. Hopefully it still has a removable back
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No it's not going to have removable back since it is also a glass designed like G6.... LG already moved on from having a removable battery..
This is why i'm having a LG V20 instead of LG G6 as an upgrade from my rusty LG G4..
LG also ditched the secondary display for LG V30 which is too bad for me because the secondary screen is actually quite useful for my daily usage..

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A lot of people actually do.
we say 18 monts instead of 1.5 years. We 24mo ths instead of 2 years
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And then what? To wait for another bootloop? To be 20 days or more without a phone?
It WAS a good phone,for 20 months,but no thanks...
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Other than no root im kickin the g5. I love it.

I am a G4 fan. I have been using a blacklisted H811 as wifi phone for a year (12 months :silly. I even got an LG RMA number to fix the boot loop problem, in the hopes they would change the imei when they did it and I could maybe get it on cell service. It wasn't boot looping and I could probably still send it in but i heard they come back with the same imei so i haven't sent it in. I would really love to get it on a network, i really enjoy a lot of the features that is has.
I liked it so much i decided to get a V10 refurb (just a few days ago....72 hours or so ) and it seemed very nice to me, it was in really great condition but not a big step up from the G4, the small screen was ok but I am older and my eyes are not what they used to be, the small screen is...small. I didn't really think i would use the fingerprint scanner but it isn't a bad feature. I had it rooted a couple of hours (120 minutes...Ok, I will stop now ) but there is not a lot of developer action and i don't know how to create my own roms, even the Lineage guys are not doing much with it that i know of, that is what i run on my G4 and I like it. After a day with the V10 I noticed it kept dropping the wifi signal and from what little investigating I did, the T Mobile version seems to have this problem, courtesy of Team T Mobile. Not a hardware but a built in software problem. Wifi is a huge issue with me and without developer support to help me out, into the return envelope it went and back to the seller.
I like G4s well enough and they just seem like a lot of phone for the prices they are now. I found out the best service provider in my area is Verizon and i have never had Verizon service so I ordered a VS986 even though I knew the bootloaders are locked down tight and I probably would not get it rooted. I got it today and it was in excellent condition. I fired it up and within three minutes it was bootlooping. :crying: I saw this thread looking for the same thing as the OP but I am still open to a G4 but really want to put it on a Verizon MVNO if possible. I just don't know how well an 815 would work on Verizon if at all, that is if could sift thru all the 815 variants, an Fm radio would be nice and i want an IR blaster. I know most of the US G4's dont have FM radios except maybe Sprint, i forget.
If anyone has any experience with an 815 on Verizon I would be glad to hear it. I don't know if i will risk another refurb G4 or maybe start looking at the Moto X pure or one of the Moto G's, they are a little more than i want to spend. I know i want 64 bit Snapdraggon at least equal or better than the G4s. I know it is a difficult thing to find, the G4s just offer a lot for the money to me. I am still considering trying another 896 and even an 810 but if a G4 that can be rooted will work well on Verizon that would be my first choice. Sorry for the novelette length post.

One Moto Z showed up in the ads,4 months old,with 2 year guarantee from operator...
My question is:
Is there a chance that someone can mess up the battery with some incorrectly charging or something?

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Well,this thread can be closed now,I bought Moto Z today and I really like it! ?
To all of you who still have G4 I wish all the best and that bootloop doesn't happen to you :fingers-crossed: