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Hi, I just wondered how LG is at upgrading the Android versions. Like do they come quick? Are they good and mostly bug-free? Etc etc. Thinking about buying the glorious G4 because it's beautiful and I need a new phone. Probably going to run custom roms tho, but if I choose not to I'd like to know how LG is at android-updates
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Hi, I just wondered how LG is at upgrading the Android versions. Like do they come quick? Are they good and mostly bug-free? Etc etc. Thinking about buying the glorious G4 because it's beautiful and I need a new phone. Probably going to run custom roms tho, but if I choose not to I'd like to know how LG is at android-updates
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I switched from Sammy note 1 to G2 then G3 and now have both G3 & G4. Never need run custom ROM B4. Only Stock ROM and Cloudyfa's Stock ROM. I just love the LG UX.
Now with G4 's UX 4.0 simply awesome. No lagging for me for I only have G4 for 2 days and no root. IDK what to tell you try it don't like it just return it xD. Even my 1 year old low end LG Gpad 7.0 V400 got Lollipop OTA update in April. What to complain when LG USA MOBILE send me a Brand New LG G4 H815 to keep.
Great story, but can you answer the question the Op asked? How quickly do LG put out updates, eg. how quickly did they update from kitkat to lollipop?
Yeah, I'm wondering because it took my Z3 about an eon to update from 4.4.2 to 5.0.1, and that I really did not like. But hopefully this is an easier device to fiddle with when it comes to root and recovery than my old Z3, which was a pain in the butt sometimes. Had a good experience with my previous LG Optimus 4X HD when it came to getting it rooted with custom recovery, but man that phone is so old that it just lags when you barely look at it.
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Great story, but can you answer the question the Op asked? How quickly do LG put out updates, eg. how quickly did they update from kitkat to lollipop?
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How fast? I remember G3 is the first to get Lollipop b4 nexus. The leaked version was out earlier. Here the articles
http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/09/lg-first-with-lollipop-upgrades/
So there.
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How fast? I remember G3 is the first to get Lollipop b4 nexus. The leaked version was out earlier. Here the articles
http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/09/lg-first-with-lollipop-upgrades/
So there.
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True, but also keep in mind (stock) Lollipop for some devices is still FUBAR. For example t-mobile G3.
OP: In the end 90% of the delay in a device getting an update is not the manufacturer, Its the carrier. That's why things like Nexus phones and GE phones were able to get updates fairly rapidly. The manufacturer takes the source, compiles with/against their own custom code and a bit of testing and its done. This should likely take less than 2 weeks after source drop.
What takes so long is carriers with all their bloat (getting it to work) and also making sure they have locked you down enough to make them happy and to keep any lucrative government contracts they have that require a certain immutability of the phones core OS for security reasons. This part can take months. My kids LG Stylo is T-mo branded and the T-mo my account app still crashes all the time.
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How fast? I remember G3 is the first to get Lollipop b4 nexus. The leaked version was out earlier. Here the articles
http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/09/lg-first-with-lollipop-upgrades/
So there.
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Thanks for the info... Not sure what the childish 'so there' was about though!
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True, but also keep in mind (stock) Lollipop for some devices is still FUBAR. For example t-mobile G3.
OP: In the end 90% of the delay in a device getting an update is not the manufacturer, Its the carrier. That's why things like Nexus phones and GE phones were able to get updates fairly rapidly. The manufacturer takes the source, compiles with/against their own custom code and a bit of testing and its done. This should likely take less than 2 weeks after source drop.
What takes so long is carriers with all their bloat (getting it to work) and also making sure they have locked you down enough to make them happy and to keep any lucrative government contracts they have that require a certain immutability of the phones core OS for security reasons. This part can take months. My kids LG Stylo is T-mo branded and the T-mo my account app still crashes all the time.
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That's exactly why I always go for sim-free phones and avoid the networks/carriers - much better chance of getting updates sooner (although I appreciate the short-term expense makes this unavailable to some).
Unless you have a Nexus device, I wouldn't even hope to get updates. The G2 was slow as hell, and only received 1 update ever with TMO.
Updates from LG are really good and fast. I have G3 and I can not complain.
Great story
hopefully lg goes straight to android m
Depends on the device. In the UK no G2s have Lollipop yet. Not even SIM free ones.
I'm about to upgrade my Verizon account, and I'm trying to decide between the LG G4 and HTC One M9. Right now, rooting and bootloader unlocking are possible on the M9. Difficult; but possible. However, the G4 still lacks carrier-specific forums on XDA. I know that the G4 was only released on Verizon at the beginning of this month, but I would have expected to see more movement on its development by now.
Is it reasonable to think that the G4 will ever have root or bootloader unlock on Verizon? The G3 has an all-in-one toolkit, but that took a whole year. Then again there are rumors on here that LG might open up bootloader unlocks for all variants.
I want to want this phone so bad, but it's dead in the water if I'll be stuck on stock firmware without root for 2 years. Is it still just too early to expect anything and the hacks will likely flow soon? Or are things really moving slow? I'm not asking for an ETA. I'm just wondering if there's reasonable hope for anything to happen.
I'm in the same boat as you, but on at&t. I am planning on buying the G4 tomorrow. I think root will be here before too long; jcase has rooted the at&t variant but hasn't released the method, presumably because it is unsafe. I figure the worst case scenario is I get the G4 and wait it out, if no root by fall, sell the phone and buy the new Nexus 5 or whatever they'll call it.
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I'm about to upgrade my Verizon account, and I'm trying to decide between the LG G4 and HTC One M9. Right now, rooting and bootloader unlocking are possible on the M9. Difficult; but possible. However, the G4 still lacks carrier-specific forums on XDA. I know that the G4 was only released on Verizon at the beginning of this month, but I would have expected to see more movement on its development by now.
Is it reasonable to think that the G4 will ever have root or bootloader unlock on Verizon? The G3 has an all-in-one toolkit, but that took 2 years. Then again there are rumors on here that LG might open up bootloader unlocks for all variants.
I want to want this phone so bad, but it's dead in the water if I'll be stuck on stock firmware without root for 2 years. Is it still just too early to expect anything and the hacks will likely flow soon? Or are things really moving slow? I'm not asking for an ETA. I'm just wondering if there's reasonable hope for anything to happen.
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G3 tool kit took 2 years? Wasn't the g3 released one year a go?
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I'm in the same boat as you, but on at&t. I am planning on buying the G4 tomorrow. I think root will be here before too long; jcase has rooted the at&t variant but hasn't released the method, presumably because it is unsafe. I figure the worst case scenario is I get the G4 and wait it out, if no root by fall, sell the phone and buy the new Nexus 5 or whatever they'll call it.
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His root is for all variants.
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G3 tool kit took 2 years? Wasn't the g3 released one year a go?
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Yup, you're right. I was thinking 2013 for some reason.
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I'm in the same boat as you, but on at&t. I am planning on buying the G4 tomorrow. I think root will be here before too long; jcase has rooted the at&t variant but hasn't released the method, presumably because it is unsafe. I figure the worst case scenario is I get the G4 and wait it out, if no root by fall, sell the phone and buy the new Nexus 5 or whatever they'll call it.
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I'd forgotten about jcase's news. I guess mostly I was just worried by the lack of carrier-specific forums. I've never seen it take this long for a flagship phone before.
I have 2 more weeks to make my choice. I may go your route.
We will get Root and Bootloader access, it is just a matter of time since the devs (or rather some of them) already have it and are working on making a safer method to do it.
As far as a direct unlock from LG, that is never going to happen. They have personally stated they have no plans to do the unlocker for any of the "older models" of the G4 (So no AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile, US Cellular, etc.).
While I do understand your concerns as Root is very important to most of us and it seems like an eternity waiting for it, but trust me, this device can certainly hold its own just based on its own merits.......Yes Root will be nice and bring forth welcome modifications and removal of bloatware, but in the mean time the phone is still an incredible piece of technology and is also a great feel in the hand.
Overall I would say get yourself the G4, you will not be sorry.
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We will get Root and Bootloader access, it is just a matter of time since the devs (or rather some of them) already have it and are working on making a safer method to do it.
As far as a direct unlock from LG, that is never going to happen. They have personally stated they have no plans to do the unlocker for any of the "older models" of the G4 (So no AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile, US Cellular, etc.).
While I do understand your concerns as Root is very important to most of us and it seems like an eternity waiting for it, but trust me, this device can certainly hold its own just based on its own merits.......Yes Root will be nice and bring forth welcome modifications and removal of bloatware, but in the mean time the phone is still an incredible piece of technology and is also a great feel in the hand.
Overall I would say get yourself the G4, you will not be sorry.
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I'm a pretty heavy root app (and custom recovery) user. I like making regular nandroid backups. I use Titanium Backup all the time for so many different functions. I love my root-enabled Tasker profiles and apps like VideoReg Pro with save-to-SD capability. Plus, a bootloader unlocked phone just means so many more ROMs and a much simpler process to try them out.
I agree it's an amazing phone (hardware), but the software side of things is even more important to me. Thus my dilemma.
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I'm a pretty heavy root app (and custom recovery) user. I like making regular nandroid backups. I use Titanium Backup all the time for so many different functions. I love my root-enabled Tasker profiles and apps like VideoReg Pro with save-to-SD capability. Plus, a bootloader unlocked phone just means so many more ROMs and a much simpler process to try them out.
I agree it's an amazing phone (hardware), but the software side of things is even more important to me. Thus my dilemma.
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I fully understand, trust me I am the same way. I got my G4's on 6/17 and this is the longest I have ever owned a smartphone without Bootloader & Root Access.......It really sucked for me at first (as I did not know it was still locked down when I got it and had I known that before hand I honestly would have gone for the Moto N6 instead) after a week or so with the G4 though I am super happy with my decision and now I just see Root as being the eventual icing on an already fantastic cake.
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I fully understand, trust me I am the same way. I got my G4's on 6/17 and this is the longest I have ever owned a smartphone without Bootloader & Root Access.......It really sucked for me at first (as I did not know it was still locked down when I got it and had I known that before hand I honestly would have gone for the Moto N6 instead) after a week or so with the G4 though I am super happy with my decision and now I just see Root as being the eventual icing on an already fantastic cake.
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That helps me feel a little better. Glad I'm not the only one.
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That helps me feel a little better. Glad I'm not the only one.
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Glad I could be of some assistance for you, and nope you are most certainly not the only one buddy, haha.
If you have any other questions about the device or how various apps or things run on it feel free to PM me and I will gladly answer any/all questions you might have.
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We will get Root and Bootloader access, it is just a matter of time since the devs (or rather some of them) already have it and are working on making a safer method to do it.
As far as a direct unlock from LG, that is never going to happen. They have personally stated they have no plans to do the unlocker for any of the "older models" of the G4 (So no AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile, US Cellular, etc.).
While I do understand your concerns as Root is very important to most of us and it seems like an eternity waiting for it, but trust me, this device can certainly hold its own just based on its own merits.......Yes Root will be nice and bring forth welcome modifications and removal of bloatware, but in the mean time the phone is still an incredible piece of technology and is also a great feel in the hand.
Overall I would say get yourself the G4, you will not be sorry.
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It's not just the carriers either. They told me they have no plans to unlock my 815 TW version that has no ties to any carrier either.
frigidazzi said:
It's not just the carriers either. They told me they have no plans to unlock my 815 TW version that has no ties to any carrier either.
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Ahh, I see. I was not sure on those as I do not have one at my disposal so I had no reason to ask about it. Thank you for the information on the matter though.....I guess the H815 is just special?? Seems like it is the ONLY one LG is willing to "Fully Support".
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Ahh, I see. I was not sure on those as I do not have one at my disposal so I had no reason to ask about it. Thank you for the information on the matter though.....I guess the H815 is just special?? Seems like it is the ONLY one LG is willing to "Fully Support".
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Well Mine is H815. But it's the TW version... The H815 Europe version without any carrier ties is the only one that can unlock. I wish I had known this all when i ordered it .
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Well Mine is H815. But it's the TW version... The H815 Europe version without any carrier ties is the only one that can unlock. I wish I had known this all when i ordered it .
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You and me both, buddy. I ended up with the US991 because I was dumb and did not check the root status before I bought the G4 (Don't get me wrong I love the phone and everything, just should have done my research is all)
We technically already have root. It's just a matter of being safely packaged and released. I give it another month or 2 before we see a long hand method on how to root our phones without bricking them.
In all honesty the G4 is far superior to the m9 in just about every way, aside from the forward facing speaker of the m9.
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In all honesty the G4 is far superior to the m9 in just about every way, aside from the forward facing speaker of the m9.
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That’s debatable. I prefer the smaller screen and resolution myself. I'd rather not sacrifice CPU/GPU cycles and battery life for pixels I can't even see. I mean, the G4 has 4x the pixels of my 24" monitor. That's just stupid
Then there's the snapdragon 810 in the M9 that some say is horrible, and others say is amazing. And yes, the stereo speakers would be nice.
If the M9 had a removable battery and the G4's camera, I wouldn't even be here. The camera is really important to me though, and the M9's looks like a toy compared to the G4's.
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That’s debatable. I prefer the smaller screen and resolution myself. I'd rather not sacrifice CPU/GPU cycles and battery life for pixels I can't even see. I mean, the G4 has 4x the pixels of my 24" monitor. That's just stupid [emoji14]
Then there's the snapdragon 810 in the M9 that some say is horrible, and others say is amazing. And yes, the stereo speakers would be nice.
If the M9 had a removable battery and the G4's camera, I wouldn't even be here. The camera is really important to me though, and the M9's looks like a toy compared to the G4's.
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Oh the G4 is deff display overkill. And I'd be with the m9 personally if the camera was on par with the G4 and s6, even without a removable battery.
I went with the G4 for the camera and sd card. I have kids and taking a million pics of them are more important than hearing my ring tone and music louder without a Bluetooth speaker.
I prefer a largerish phone after my s5 and the G4 didn't really feel much larger aside from width a little.
Plus I got a free battery and 32gb SD card, so there's that too.
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Oh the G4 is deff display overkill. And I'd be with the m9 personally if the camera was on par with the G4 and s6, even without a removable battery.
I went with the G4 for the camera and sd card. I have kids and taking a million pics of them are more important than hearing my ring tone and music louder without a Bluetooth speaker.
I prefer a largerish phone after my s5 and the G4 didn't really feel much larger aside from width a little.
Plus I got a free battery and 32gb SD card, so there's that too.
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Yeah, we have pretty much the same requirements. Those kids move so fast, an average phone camera just won't cut it anymore. I'm tired of blurry pictures
I've used every Samsung Galaxy flagship until now. Forget Samsung and their Apple-chasing, anti-user policies. I need an SD card dangit!
Some phones take longer to get root than others, but being how this is LG's flagship, and LG has a growing followship, there will be root very soon. Just be patient! This phone kicks butt. I typically root to get easy tethering, ad removal, and bloatware removal, but this phone is damn good out of the box WITHOUT root! get it and don't look back! you won't regret it.
Hi, I was hoping someone could explain something for me. I'm looking through the forums and seeing the threads for roms and kernels specifically for H815 and H811, usually separate. I'm from the US, considering the G4 on T-Mobile. As I understand it, both can have the bootloaders unlocked (H811 comes unlocked, and the H815 can be unlocked).
I know the H815 has had Marshmallow released, and the H811 has not yet.
What I'm wondering and what I can't find a straight answer to is why, for example, when I look at CM downloads, I can find a v13 for H815 but only a v12.x for H811. The best answer I could find is something about there not being a released bootloader or modem for the H811 compatible with that. I don't know if that was accurate or not, but if it is that confuses me because I've had a Galaxy SIII whose last carrier Android release was 4.4.2, yet is still getting CM 13 releases pretty quickly and other AOSP updates from developers. Is the reason the H811 isn't just because there isn't enough people or developers using that model, so less are working on an updated kernel compatibile with it? I've never had to update my modem or bootloader for an update between Android versions, so I'm assuming that answer was wrong unless there's something I'm missing? I don't think there's a real hardware difference between the two models besides the modems/bands supported, right?
I'm trying to figure out my best option here, have had a Samsung Galaxy SIII since Aug. 2012, bootloader unlocked not too long after, and have really liked it until recently when I was having a slight issue with streaming audio over my mobile network and decided to switch back to stock for a short time to see if it fixed it and compare some settings, stupidly not realizing that in the 3 years I had been away from the stock firmware that Verizon had locked down the firmware again to 4.4.2 and nobody has figured out how to get around it.
I'm looking for a phone that I can install AOSP or CM or similar Roms on (Although I'm not against playing around with the LG Stock Android, it doesn't look that bad, but I want the choice) and am really hoping user removable battery and MicroSD slot. It's not a major must, but I would also like a fairly good camera.
Sounds like my best bet is either the Nexus devices or the LG G3 or the G4 H811. These all either have unlocked boot loaders or ones that are easy to more or less unlock, which I know is something I'll want if I don't want to be stuck on the version of Android the manufacturer supports. I can't stand the size the Nexus 6 or 6P is, haven't had a chance to see the 5X, but it's lacking the removable battery and memory card. I'm currently on Verizon, and would prefer to stay there, but am considering T-Mobile as a potential possibility. If I go with a G3 I'll stay with Verizon, if I go with a G4 I'll have to switch to T-Mobile.
I've seen the G3 and G4 in person, I like both, but prefer the G4 just based on the color temp of the screen, the camera, and battery charging (The G3's in Verizon's store were all low on battery because the charger couldn't keep up, but the G4 was fine I'm assuming because of the quick charging). But, it's looking like the G3 is currently better in terms of development support than the G4. My worry is in a year or so I may be stuck on a version of Android, whereas with my GS3 (Up until it got re-locked) it was still being actively updated. I can get the G3 online for ~200$ versus ~$400 for the G4, and the rest of the specs on the phone aren't different enough for me to care that much about seeing as my GSIII was handing all my requirements until recently.
Wasn't sure if this was the best place to post this, but my only option for the G4 is the T-Mobile H811, and if there is a big reason why that isn't supported (Whether it's because there's not a large enough user base or something else) then perhaps it's best I not consider that device?
It's been a long time since I've done much with porting Android and have been focused on the device I've had for the past 3.5 years, so I might be missing something here. If anyone can clear some of this up for me, it's be appreciated.
Thanks.
If you want to be able to install an AOSP or CM or similar Roms you sure gonna have a bad time with the LG G4 cause the variants that can be unlocked are the H815 from the european market, hence the variable that are sell in the US ares as you mention the H811 that can't be unlcoked or the H815P wich can't be unlocked either, if you can afford a nexus i'll go with the nexus (I'm planning in upgrading to the nexus 6P for the same reason i own a LG G4 and i'm very dissapointed with the develop of the phone) since i come from the LG G3 that phone although it has a very limited amount of roms at the time it's now a little biger but nothing compare with any nexus... so for resume I'll go Nexus>LG G3>LG G4
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If you want to be able to install an AOSP or CM or similar Roms you sure gonna have a bad time with the LG G4 cause the variants that can be unlocked are the H815 from the european market, hence the variable that are sell in the US ares as you mention the H811 that can't be unlcoked or the H815P wich can't be unlocked either, if you can afford a nexus i'll go with the nexus (I'm planning in upgrading to the nexus 6P for the same reason i own a LG G4 and i'm very dissapointed with the develop of the phone) since i come from the LG G3 that phone although it has a very limited amount of roms at the time it's now a little biger but nothing compare with any nexus... so for resume I'll go Nexus>LG G3>LG G4
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Thanks for the reply.
The H811 is unlocked, which is the only reason I was considering it. The rest of the US carrier G4's are locked and have basically no development going on. I prefer the idea of the nexus just based on software and support being that it's a Google phone, and it's going to be guaranteed updates for quite a while, I just am concerned that since I cannot see any of the nexus phones in person currently (Besides the original Nexus 6 which are in some stores) the only way I'd have to see the phone is to buy it, play with it, then return it if I dislike it, which I prefer not to deal with. The newer Nexus phones aren't in stores here in the US besides one store Best Buy which is just getting them, but I was told today that they likely wouldn't get a display model, just boxed up ones to sell.
I'm probably over thinking the fact that I need a removable battery or memory card. It's just nice to not have to worry about not having it.
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Thanks for the reply.
The H811 is unlocked, which is the only reason I was considering it. The rest of the US carrier G4's are locked and have basically no development going on. I prefer the idea of the nexus just based on software and support being that it's a Google phone, and it's going to be guaranteed updates for quite a while, I just am concerned that since I cannot see any of the nexus phones in person currently (Besides the original Nexus 6 which are in some stores) the only way I'd have to see the phone is to buy it, play with it, then return it if I dislike it, which I prefer not to deal with. The newer Nexus phones aren't in stores here in the US besides one store Best Buy which is just getting them, but I was told today that they likely wouldn't get a display model, just boxed up ones to sell.
I'm probably over thinking the fact that I need a removable battery or memory card. It's just nice to not have to worry about not having it.
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I have h811 and we will have the same roms available to unlocked h815 variants as soon as T-Mobile updates us to marshmallow...cm13 is going to be available to h811 as soon as we get the bootstack that will come with the update...also we have a few great kernel devs that will more than likely release an h811 version with that release
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I have h811 and we will have the same roms available to unlocked h815 variants as soon as T-Mobile updates us to marshmallow...cm13 is going to be available to h811 as soon as we get the bootstack that will come with the update...also we have a few great kernel devs that will more than likely release an h811 version with that release
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That's what I was asking about... Why do they need T-Mobile to release an update? I mean obviously it's easier if they do, but is it required or is it just majorly helpful? I'm asking because my current phone this whole "bootstack" stuff was never needed for developers to release updates. I'm just looking for that clarification to make sure that there's not some new requirement with this device that I'm not used to seeing that would make it unlikely to see development in the future, say if LG or T-Mobile decided to not update to the next version of Android after Marshmallow, if we'd be stuck on Marshmallow, or if the development could keep going like it did on the phone I currently have, where the manufacturer stopped development on Kitkat, but people are still releasing even current marshmallow builds.
I would not buy the G4 again.
For some reason it struggles with games.
Qi Wireless Charging is very very very wonky.
Locked bootloaders. Rooting requires rooting a system image and flashing the entire 3.5gb image. LG has closed this loophole in the V10. So I think our days are limited. No custom roms, custom recovery, or much community support.
I love the phone itself and thankfully the stock roms are great but once updates cease, the device will be stuck.
I would pick a LG Nexus 6 or the Hauwei Nexus. I've honestly thought about going with Hauwei but the 6" screen is tablet territory IMO and too big for 1 handed operation. The 5.2" LG Nexus would be a better fit.
I love the TapOn/Off built in ability, but I may be looking at other options next time.
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Locked bootloaders. Rooting requires rooting a system image and flashing the entire 3.5gb image. LG has closed this loophole in the V10. So I think our days are limited. No custom roms, custom recovery, or much community support.
I love the phone itself and thankfully the stock roms are great but once updates cease, the device will be stuck.
I would pick a LG Nexus 6 or the Hauwei Nexus. I've honestly thought about going with Hauwei but the 6" screen is tablet territory IMO and too big for 1 handed operation. The 5.2" LG Nexus would be a better fit.
I love the TapOn/Off built in ability, but I may be looking at other options next time.
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Okay, if that's the reason why the v10 doesn't have any real development going on, that would make sense. I wasn't aware that that was a requirement. Figured it was just that there wasn't enough knowledgeable people working on it yet.
I got a clarification from a friend as to the bootloader question... I guess normally an updated bootloader has been needed moving from 5.x to 6.x, which doesn't appear to have been needed with the GS3 I have... I guess people must have rigged something, because updating the bootloader was never a step with that. He has a Nexus 5 (the orig one) and said he's had to flash a boot loader several times for this reason.
i'm too lazy to read all of this, but i was planing a long period of time to buy the G4, but i found some hardware cons and problems in it as a result of my deep search on youtube , gsmarena users reviews, xda forums and more.
The one problem that made me decide not to buy it and not to think about it any more is the self-die / bootloop hardware problem. read about it on xda bro. Adding this big possibility to the other cons (hardware + some software complexity) made this deal very risky as it will be my second device within less than a year.
i don't know if i'm right and made a good decision, i was believe in this device and i love it ..
I was originally considering picking up a G3, but decided against doing so because of the many reports of artificial "over-sharpening" of the picture quality. Since G4s have come down in price, they are now on my radar as well, so my question for the community is simple - does the G4 suffer from the same artificial sharpening that the G3 does?
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I was originally considering picking up a G3, but decided against doing so because of the many reports of artificial "over-sharpening" of the picture quality. Since G4s have come down in price, they are now on my radar as well, so my question for the community is simple - does the G4 suffer from the same artificial sharpening that the G3 does?
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On the camera it does unless you set it for raw. Ive taken many night shots that have been butchered by the camera and the prossessing
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TheMadScientist420 said:
On the camera it does unless you set it for raw. Ive taken many night shots that have been butchered by the camera and the prossessing
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I'm talking about the screen; not the camera (although if the camera's pictures are degraded worse than comparable devices, it is important to consider also).
Bill720 said:
I'm talking about the screen; not the camera (although if the camera's pictures are degraded worse than comparable devices, it is important to consider also).
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U should more be considering about the bootloop issue in the g4 if u buy a used phone or new...buy g3 tmobile version only there is no bootloop in g3
Lol, off topic; let's get back to the question at hand
jinderation said:
U should more be considering about the bootloop issue in the g4 if u buy a used phone or new...buy g3 tmobile version only there is no bootloop in g3
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Lol, not using TMobile. And while I now know that the artificial sharpening problem on the G3 can be defeated, my question still remains if it is an issue on the G4.
Bill720 said:
Lol, not using TMobile. And while I now know that the artificial sharpening problem on the G3 can be defeated, my question still remains if it is an issue on the G4.
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Yeah it does. I never hands on g3 but can confirm on G4 .
bummer!
rajkatiyar07 said:
Yeah it does. I never hands on g3 but can confirm on G4 .
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Bummer. Do any of the available Roms offer a way to defeat it?
Bill720 said:
Bummer. Do any of the available Roms offer a way to defeat it?
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own H818N so cant unlock the bootloader. so no flashing of the ROMs
Good to know
rajkatiyar07 said:
own H818N so cant unlock the bootloader. so no flashing of the ROMs
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That's a bummer. I'm guessing the situation isn't much better on the Verizon variant of the phone, so it looks like the G4 is probably out of the question as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for the information though.
Bill720 said:
That's a bummer. I'm guessing the situation isn't much better on the Verizon variant of the phone, so it looks like the G4 is probably out of the question as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for the information though.
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Mate don't listen to these guys, they don't know what they're talking about...
The G4 does *NOT* suffer from G3's sharpening problems (personal experience as well as many reviews, check Anandtech's which is the best review site) and new G4's almost don't suffer from bootloop problems.
The display is brilliant, the phone is great, good battery and nice custom ROM support. If you want a G4 definitely buy it, now that price is low it has terrific value for money
P.S.: the camera as well is simply superb, just check "G4 Picture Samples" thread here on XDA
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marn3us said:
Mate don't listen to these guys, they don't know what they're talking about...
The G4 does *NOT* suffer from G3's sharpening problems (personal experience as well as many reviews, check Anandtech's which is the best review site) and new G4's almost don't suffer from bootloop problems.
The display is brilliant, the phone is great, good battery and nice custom ROM support. If you want a G4 definitely buy it, now that price is low it has terrific value for money
P.S.: the camera as well is simply superb, just check "G4 Picture Samples" thread here on XDA
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Interesting. Do you know how the custom Rom and kernel support is with regard to the Verizon variant of the G4? I was just on the G3 forums and there is apparently a lot of hoops that have to be jumped through in order to get custom recovery on a Verizon G3. Is it any easier and better on the G4? Are there any noteworthy pitfalls?
Bill720 said:
Interesting. Do you know how the custom Rom and kernel support is with regard to the Verizon variant of the G4? I was just on the G3 forums and there is apparently a lot of hoops that have to be jumped through in order to get custom recovery on a Verizon G3. Is it any easier and better on the G4? Are there any noteworthy pitfalls?
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I honestly don't know, but I suggest you buy an unlocked H815 international model since it's for sure the most supported.
The G4 has great value for money now. The camera is superb. The screen is amazing and no it doesn't over sharp anything. This was only on G3. Battery life is OK nothing super but definitely not terrible. Newer G4s do not suffer from the Bootloop. The phone only misses a fingerprint reader. If you want root and custom ROMs but the international H815 which you can unlock.
VS986 or bust
marn3us said:
I honestly don't know, but I suggest you buy an unlocked H815 international model since it's for sure the most supported.
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Riardon said:
The G4 has great value for money now. The camera is superb. The screen is amazing and no it doesn't over sharp anything. This was only on G3. Battery life is OK nothing super but definitely not terrible. Newer G4s do not suffer from the Bootloop. The phone only misses a fingerprint reader. If you want root and custom ROMs but the international H815 which you can unlock.
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The H815 is a no-go for Verizon and Verizon MVNOs. It's gotta be the VS986. I'll check in on the Verizon-specific forums for details on that. Otherwise, I'd have to shell out the extra money for a Moto X Pure Edition, which is currently hovering at just below $200 on the used market; hopefully it and the G4 (whichever I decide to go with) drop off by the time upgrade season rolls around in the spring.
jinderation said:
U should more be considering about the bootloop issue in the g4 if u buy a used phone or new...buy g3 tmobile version only there is no bootloop in g3
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Bootloop is relatively rare - quit being a Trump scare-monger!
WTF? said:
Bootloop is relatively rare - quit being a Trump scare-monger!
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Bootloop is 100% possible guys dont fall for these tricks why because g4 is damn cheap
Bill720 said:
The H815 is a no-go for Verizon and Verizon MVNOs. It's gotta be the VS986. I'll check in on the Verizon-specific forums for details on that. Otherwise, I'd have to shell out the extra money for a Moto X Pure Edition, which is currently hovering at just below $200 on the used market; hopefully it and the G4 (whichever I decide to go with) drop off by the time upgrade season rolls around in the spring.
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I'm sorry for you american guys, having carrier-locked phones sucks hard Europe FTW
Jokes aside, if you can't get an H815 then by all means go read VS986 forums here on XDA.
jinderation said:
Bootloop is 100% possible guys dont fall for these tricks why because g4 is damn cheap
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Newer G4's typically don't suffer from bootloops but they are still possible. Anyways LG does change it under warranty terms if you are so unlucky to get a bootloop on a new G4, even if you have a custom ROM.
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I'm sorry for you american guys, having carrier-locked phones sucks hard Europe FTW
Jokes aside, if you can't get an H815 then by all means go read VS986 forums here on XDA.
Newer G4's typically don't suffer from bootloops but they are still possible. Anyways LG does change it under warranty terms if you are so unlucky to get a bootloop on a new G4, even if you have a custom ROM.
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Why have a headaches to buy a defective device in the first place then wait for it to bootloop then loose all ur imp stuff in the process come here cry try to find solutions to backup data....this is all exhausting ...aint nobody got time for that...mind newer ones are also expensive like 300$ only like the s/n 5xx cost around 200$
jinderation said:
Why have a headaches to buy a defective device in the first place then wait for it to bootloop then loose all ur imp stuff in the process come here cry try to find solutions to backup data....this is all exhausting ...aint nobody got time for that...mind newer ones are also expensive like 300$ only like the s/n 5xx cost around 200$
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LG sold millions of G4 phones, a tiny few of those had the bootloop issue, and LG fixed them. And the reason that you buy an LG G4 is because it was the best phone overall, a year ago, and still is the best phone you can buy today, when you consider removable battery & memory card, camera, screen, audio quality etc. at ANY PRICE.
Tiny few ??? Ahem ahem its a manufacturing fault its bound to happen in every phone atleast with s/n 5xxx ....the blue print of g4 is exactly the same atleast for the older versions...so u are a bit exaggerated about tiny few of g4s while the reported are in millions..they r better options from the g4 like the moto droid turbo buy the 64gb version best phone best price better than g4 it is also cheaper than g4 u can get ot around 180US$ used
Every one Check out the consumer review for lg
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/cell_phones/lg_cell_phones.html
Ok so I've been doing some research and HAD narrowed my choice on purchasing a NEW G4 (either H811 or H815) off of eBay. That is till I'd ran across some a crap ton of reviews talking about the bootloop and reading that there is no true fix. So I'm curious as to what precautions I should take if I buy the G4? Are the newer ones still having the same problem? Should I even bother with the purchase?
AnotherFreakinNoob said:
Ok so I've been doing some research and HAD narrowed my choice on purchasing a NEW G4 (either H811 or H815) off of eBay. That is till I'd ran across some a crap ton of reviews talking about the bootloop and reading that there is no true fix. So I'm curious as to what precautions I should take if I buy the G4? Are the newer ones still having the same problem? Should I even bother with the purchase?
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Buy, but just bare in mind of the boot loop issue. It's still a great phone even with such as big defect, though if you are looking to root and get custom ROMs get the EUR H815 variants, SEA and other various variants are currently rootable but bootloader locked.
Source: I got a SEA H815 variant and just rooted it, and currently searching for bootloader solutions...
chances are very slim of bootloop but still may happen. i would say go ahead. but if no nougat for us f*** LG.
Appreciate the responses. Especially the tip about buying the European version of the 815. Curious though. I noticed there are custom ROMs for the 811 on the development page? That means its bootloader is unlockable right?
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Appreciate the responses. Especially the tip about buying the European version of the 815. Curious though. I noticed there are custom ROMs for the 811 on the development page? That means its bootloader is unlockable right?
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yes h811 ican be unlocked.. if you in the USA then get the h811. if you in wurope then h815 that can be unlocked not all can.. search google it list of LG G4 that can be unlocked.
I wouldn't recommend it unless if you're into the custom rom scene and getting a unlocked BL phone of course. If it's a locked BL, you'll basically be buying a phone with no more support with a pretty high failure rate. Problem with buying them online is that you don't know if it'll be a newer batch or older one.
I should've clarified better. Yes I plan on using installing a custom ROM once the OS becomes dated. I use Straight Talk and they don't do updates anyway. So I'm guessing it was the older batch of phones they were the main culprit of the bootloop? The one I had my eye from eBay claims the phone is the newest version. Pretty much decided this was the phone for me till I saw the bootloop issue. Kinda leaning towards the HTC M9 now.
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I should've clarified better. Yes I plan on using installing a custom ROM once the OS becomes dated. I use Straight Talk and they don't do updates anyway. So I'm guessing it was the older batch of phones they were the main culprit of the bootloop? The one I had my eye from eBay claims the phone is the newest version. Pretty much decided this was the phone for me till I saw the bootloop issue. Kinda leaning towards the HTC M9 now.
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Check the first 3 digits of the serial. If it starts with 603 or higher you will have a good one . I wouldn't recommend a device where you find something like replaced mainboard or so. It should be really new and untouched.
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Really appreciate the info. Has helped tremendously. One last Q please, does the 603 or higher serial number apply to both the 815 and the 811?
Keep in mind that battery isnt strong if You are average user. I dont play with those kernel tweaks after rooting, so I got no more than 3 hours of screen on time. Usually 2,5 SOT. Also - no nougat as I saw in other posts. So if You want to get ir You will have to root and flash other ROM's to get it....
AnotherFreakinNoob said:
Really appreciate the info. Has helped tremendously. One last Q please, does the 603 or higher serial number apply to both the 815 and the 811?
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Yes to both. The higher the better. If you have 608 it means it was manufactured in August 2016. 701 means January 2017.
I have 2 devices with 603 serial on heavy usage.
Ensure you get an unlockable variant because there are h815 variants which cant be unlocked and this is really very recommended for this phone..
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Keep in mind that battery isnt strong if You are average user. I dont play with those kernel tweaks after rooting, so I got no more than 3 hours of screen on time. Usually 2,5 SOT. Also - no nougat as I saw in other posts. So if You want to get ir You will have to root and flash other ROM's to get it....
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Nougat will come . agreed officially by LG !
Q3 this year..
I have 3 to 4 hours SOT but its okay. Main problem is the display drains the most.
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My girlfriend's G4 died like 4 months ago after a year of use (bootloop) and mine died today a couple of hours ago, it just wont start at all completely dead, after a year and a hafl of use, so, NO you shouldn't. The G2 was a beast and the reason I bought the G4. G4 worst piece of crap I ever had, battery problems a ton, display ghosting after a year of use (both mine and my girlfriend's and we didn't buy it from the same seller nor at the same time). Buying a Galaxy S7 edge next week.
LG G4 is a ticking time bomb. Even if it's "fixed from LG. Don't regret the purchase.
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