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Stuck at boot - should i buy

The story goes like this:
I have a Desire and today saw a local Ad where a guy sells a Htc Desire Z stuck at boot after upgrading. Thats the only info provided.
Now, the price is around 160 euros or 222 us dollars.
I have lots of experience with root/s-off from the Desire and anything with that shouldn't be a problem.
My questions are:
Is there a way to brick this phone?
Can it be somehow unbricked?
If the guy tried to update the phone to the latest one, can i root it then or downgrade it perhaps and root then?
Thank you very much whoever answers this.

Well hopefully some brighter folks than I can ellucidate whether it is possible to get out of a bootloop.
What I can offer however is my opinion on the purchase overall. $222USD is a good chunk of change. If there's a chance that it is not recoverable, I don't think it would be worth the gamble. Now if it were the nearly unbrickable Vibrant or something, I'd say go for it.
I bought my G2 in near mint condition for $275.

It all depends, Is it S-off? Does he have a custom recovery installed? Can you boot into Hboot and then into recovery(Clockworkmod Recovery)? If so then you probably can install a rom on the sdcard and flash them from recovery.
If its in a boot loop with S-on I would not touch it.

Boot loop with S-ON means it still has Nand protection which means you can't do shiz with it. I do have a little story though.
Bought a G1 off craigslist and shortly after the screen started acting wonky so I said what the hell and called Tmo. Explained the problem and hoped theyd have some pointers since the G1 was new and resources like this didn't exist at the time. They ended up being able to look up the phone and determined it still had warranty time left on the device so they exchanged it for me. Sometimes warranty carries over with phones. I'd call Tmo before I bought though and have them go ahead and send me a refurb then go buy the bootlooped one and send it back.

Supposedly he tried to install a different ROM which implies that he's rooted.
That should be fixable then, right?
Or is s-off really necessary for the Z?
UPDATE:
he just lowered the price to around 100 euros.

hiko36 said:
Boot loop with S-ON means it still has Nand protection which means you can't do shiz with it. I do have a little story though.
Bought a G1 off craigslist and shortly after the screen started acting wonky so I said what the hell and called Tmo. Explained the problem and hoped theyd have some pointers since the G1 was new and resources like this didn't exist at the time. They ended up being able to look up the phone and determined it still had warranty time left on the device so they exchanged it for me. Sometimes warranty carries over with phones. I'd call Tmo before I bought though and have them go ahead and send me a refurb then go buy the bootlooped one and send it back.
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I actually just did something similar. I bought a used G2 that was in perfect physical working order but with physical blemishes etc. and was about 3months old. About a week later dust started to accumulate under the screen. Even though the phone was used and I was on a EM+ plan with no contract and I didnt purchase the phone from a T-mo store, they still replaced it for free. More of a statement about how great T-mo support is than anything, but I think its interesting that they will support the device even though its used.
Now anything more than this is quite borderline not very ethical depending on who you ask, but I wouldn't really feel like buying a bootlooped phone just to try and send it back to T-mo and claim you don't know what happened. If that was very possible then the guy that currently has the phone would probably have done that already...

Yeah, i bought it.
The problem is/are it won't boot or turn on at all.
I'll send it to the repair shop to see if anything can be done.
And guess what.
Do you remember when the HTC vision/g2/desire z got leaked?
This picture here
It turns out, it's the same phone
THE SAME PHONE, Look at the serial numberl

DanijelDesire said:
Yeah, i bought it.
The problem is/are it won't boot or turn on at all.
I'll send it to the repair shop to see if anything can be done.
And guess what.
Do you remember when the HTC vision/g2/desire z got leaked?
This picture here
It turns out, it's the same phone
THE SAME PHONE, Look at the serial numberl
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PLEASE tell me you kept that. That would be like getting that first iphone that homeboy lost in the bar.

[Q] if i cant root should i boot

hi everyone thank you for taking the time to read my post. my htc magic is give me a few problems. it's been a great phone for about a year I got it before it was discontinued. the phone is being replaced under warranty exchange. I had a few smarphones to pick from wildfire. s seemed to be the best. one. looking at the forms the Gsm / T-Mobile model can't be rooted. looks like I should just sent it back and get a different phone. is this the right thing to do should I hold out until soft were method for rooting can be obtained. at most I have a few days to decide. I love to see any feedback on his issue

First of all, WS is not bad phone at all.
For average user,it's more than ok. The biggest problem is it can not be rooted without xtc clip.
If you are not advanced user, keep it. If you can afford some other phone, replace WS.
Sent from HTC

Right, only you can softroot with a software (zergrush and an modified adb sequence). But if u don't know what u do, then read all and read and read.

Thanks for all the feed back. There are a few things I like about this phone. BY default wireless tether is turned on. It has android 2.3
As far as what I can afford, this phone is a warranty exchange so I was limited with my choices.
at some point i would like to put a custom rom on this phone. The boot Loader is locked so that's out of the question. Looks like most every one here has the same problem so I guess I joined the club. I will just cross my fingers and hope that HTC dose what it promised and unlocks the boot loader.
Worst case I will have this phone for about 8 months be stuck at android 2.3 upgrade and think very hard about buying any thing from a company that locks the boot loader. Thanks for taking the time to ready my post

First , welcome to the club.
Second, don't count on HTC to unlock bootloader for this phone. If they ever do that, it will be too late, this phone will be forgotten by devs.
Sent from HTC

[Q] Desire HD - Motherboard failure

Hello,
I have a HTC Desire HD that has just died on me, it just stopped detecting the SIM car. Everything else works just fine.
Gave it to HTC service here in India and they gave me a quote of 13000 INR ($260) to replace it. Since its out of warranty (15 days over) I'll have to bear the expense.
Now I got this phone for 25000 INR($500) it makes no sense to go for this replacement. Now my dilema here is what more can I do with this phone besides using it as a glorifed paper weight
I doubt root it would solve this issue. But would love to hear from you.
Kind regards

I'd just went out of the similar problem. One day my DHD turn off and... That's all ! It just turn of and never came back. I'd to send it to HTC support, they return it to me saying something like "we changed the motherboard".
Now I think "Whatdafuck is this phone whitch can die one day without any aparent reason !!". At it's next death I'll get a Motorola.

zorglube said:
I'd just went out of the similar problem. One day my DHD turn off and... That's all ! It just turn of and never came back. I'd to send it to HTC support, they return it to me saying something like "we changed the motherboard".
Now I think "Whatdafuck is this phone whitch can die one day without any aparent reason !!". At it's next death I'll get a Motorola.
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Atleast you were lucky that you device was under warranty. I am well and truly screwed.
cheers

Personally, I'd get it repaired, since you could easily get another years' use out of it (more, but other devices will start to make it look old).
That would then work out at $20/month, compared to say $40 ($500/12 months) for a new phone, even via an operator's subsidy.
I'd also let HTC do it so that they can respond directly, should anything go wrong.

Sorry I saw you replied.
If you pay the HTC support can repair your phone.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA

I would try to buy very cheap non working phone with broken digitizer or similar - many people (at least in europe) sell their phones when they are broken and get new ones. And I would change the mainboard myself. its not that difficult. Ive done it with my old htc topaz...

Suffering at the hands of HTC
Last week, my 1.5 years old Desire 816 was working absolutely flawlessly. 5 seconds later, I pick it up and it is dead! :crying:
The HTC Service Center guys are asking for Rs. 9,700 for changing the Motherboard and I am like WT*. I can buy a new phone at that price. A bit of research and find out that Motherboard issues are very common in HTC. This surely was my last HTC phone.
Now I have 2 questions:
1. Is there any way I can get this phone repaired in the open market?
2. I was using CDMA as my primary number. I am not finding any other reputed manufacturer who has CDMA smartphones. I am not willing to ditch CDMA as of now. Any suggestions for a good smartphone that is not HTC?

HTC Warranty Workaround ?

I read through few posts about people being able to claim their warranty even after unlocking their bootloader , now these people had almost the same problem ..there screen wouldn't display anything or their phone wouldn't boot up at all. So I guess HTC won't check for your warranty if your phone is not booting up ...they'll just check your bill and see if its under warranty and do it for free ...
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Well I've seen people get away with this, but I still darent unlock/root.
Because I know what my luck is like and I would be the only one that doesn't get repaired !!

It took me 4 weeks to pluck up the courage to unlock my phone and I'm glad I did. I now have no warrenty but I do have an awesome phone.
Also I heard that if your phone is completely dead there is no way to tell if the phone is unlocked or not. So there is a reasonable chance you'll get your phone replaced.

Awt67 said:
It took me 4 weeks to pluck up the courage to unlock my phone and I'm glad I did. I now have no warrenty but I do have an awesome phone.
Also I heard that if your phone is completely dead there is no way to tell if the phone is unlocked or not. So there is a reasonable chance you'll get your phone replaced.
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lol sounds like a good plan, now everyone who needs repair will burn it's phone and get new replacement under warranty

Awt67 said:
It took me 4 weeks to pluck up the courage to unlock my phone and I'm glad I did. I now have no warrenty but I do have an awesome phone.
Also I heard that if your phone is completely dead there is no way to tell if the phone is unlocked or not. So there is a reasonable chance you'll get your phone replaced.
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Yeah I've been debating for about 3 weeks now, would you really say its worth it?
What ROM you using?
And, about the warranty, what does completely dead mean?
Not booting?
Or bricked etc?
Cheers mate.

I am using Cyanogen Domination 10. It is still work in progress but it stable enough for everyday use. I would also say if you do unlock your phone try roms other as well because they all offer something different.
Dead as in bricked, although if you follow unlock steps carefully there is little chance of bricking your phone

I unlocked my phone the day I bought it ... I'm not regretting it all but the little yellow spot in the bottom left corner is annoying sometimes ..
Sent from my HTC One X using xda app-developers app

lets just make this clear, its certainly posted here already in many many threads...
if you read the unlocking stuff properly on the htc website, it clearly says that the warranty will be invalid for anything caused by unlocking the bootloader
so if you have a blatant hardware problem, ie the wifi antenna problem, they still have to repair it foc
so basically, unless you brick your device, you still have a warranty.
they might try insisting on replacing the main board for a cost, which i've heard quite often. the wifi fix requires changing the main board anyway, so for at least that problem, they shouldn't charge to fix.
still, it does depend on the type of problem as to whether you could convince them not to change the main board..

Burn in

So I got my moto Z2 force 6mo ago at t-mobile rooted, TWRP, stock rom. No problems at till the screen has pretty bad burn in at the top and bottom of the screen. So Motorola is going to replace my phone with very little effort on my part trying to encourage them. Now I have a problem once I unroot and go back to stock and lock bootloader there's this software change screen. My question is if I send it in will they still replace it or not. I don't want to waste my time if they will not. So if anyone has tried please let me know. I all ready got the shipping lable so I'm kinda on a time crunch. Oh yeah the only thing they ask is if there was liquid damage or if the phone was damaged in a drop. Thanks Guys.b

The second you unlock your bootloader your warranty is voided, so if your trying to get it repaired using warranty it's not going to happen. Relocking your bootloader doesn't make your warranty valid again.

asislife20 is right. Only thing I think could happen is if Motorola/Lenovo act like HTC and see it as a hardware defect and still replace it. I was lucky and was able to warranty out my unlocked M7 due to it having a known hardware defect. Burn in is a grey area at best since I don't know many people who have it. My Z2 has been in service for over a year and doesn't have any burning.
Most of the time companies will know if it is a warranty due to unlocking (like breaking your partition table) or hardware (like the purple camera issue on the M7). Hardware defects are usually warrantied. I'd call them back and make sure

Well I FedEx it today so I will know in a few days. They gave me the option to send me a new one then after I got it I could send mine back but they were going to put a 500$ hold on my account but I opted to send it first then get the replacement once they get my old one. The root has nothing to do with screen burn anyhow. It's a great phone for power and it's not a Samsung or Apple, everyone I know has sold out to those two it's sad there are much better phones out there but most people are to goofy to try them out.

I will for sure let ya guy know witch ever way it goes. It's overnight shipping so Ill know soon. Fingers crossed.

McRoberts said:
I will for sure let ya guy know witch ever way it goes. It's overnight shipping so Ill know soon. Fingers crossed.
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I have had motorola replace a phone even tho I had previously unlocked the bootloader I didnt bother to relock it since they already know its been unlocked, got a new phone anyway

The repair order online says exchange and they sent me an email saying that the problem was resolved. so its looking good. I just want my phone back this Honor 6x doesn't cutting it.

The sent me a new Moto z2 force today. No questions asked in the end. Took 7 days but there's nothing like a new phone to break in. Thanks for the responses.