As we all know the FPS on the Desire is terrible at 720p recording and pretty shocking on 800x480 recording in bad light.
I tried a Samsung Wave, and even its 720p recording was better than the Desire.
Surely, there's a way for you amazing developers on XDA to somehow limit the framerate (force minimum framerate) on the video camera right?
Since non of the cooks from various custom ROMs has made any significant difference in the HD recording, I suppose it has something to do with the codecs that have been chosen by HTC to support the HD recording and ofcourse wether it has been optimized to run smoothly on our Snapdragons.. I am eager to see the HD samples of the Sense 2.0 interface.. If i can judge by a youtube video which claimed to be recorded from the Desire Z.. we should have a fu***ing awesome HD feature on our way
*note* except of the perfect framerates i saw on the video.. the audio was excelent too! not even close to the crap we have now...
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Since non of the cooks from various custom ROMs has made any significant difference in the HD recording, I suppose it has something to do with the codecs that have been chosen by HTC to support the HD recording and ofcourse wether it has been optimized to run smoothly on our Snapdragons.. I am eager to see the HD samples of the Sense 2.0 interface.. If i can judge by a youtube video which claimed to be recorded from the Desire Z.. we should have a fu***ing awesome HD feature on our way
*note* except of the perfect framerates i saw on the video.. the audio was excelent too! not even close to the crap we have now...
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its simply because of our gpu, it dosent have the power to encode 720p proply .... the samsung hummingbird even tho the cpu is the same clockspeed, the power VR gpu that it usually comes with is far more powerfull than adreno, the desire z uses the 2nd generation of snapdragon, and has a much better gpu than us
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its simply because of our gpu, it dosent have the power to encode 720p proply .... the samsung hummingbird even tho the cpu is the same clockspeed, the power VR gpu that it usually comes with is far more powerfull than adreno, the desire z uses the 2nd generation of snapdragon, and has a much better gpu than us
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I suppose you are right.. but hope dies last.. maybe HTC will pull an ace out of its sleeve and optimize the HD video recording.. at least make it more smooth and with better audio even if its not truly 720p..
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Hi guys
I recently got hold of a Samsung i9000 Galaxy S, and i have to say im rather dissapointed.
The lag issue, which none of the lag fixes really actually stop, is so annoying, GPS not working as im one of the unfortunate people who have this issue is another annoyance
The screen is fantastic however, and the music player is aweseome with its equilizer.
However i use my phone for numerous things, media is one thing, GPS also as i dont see the need to buy a seperate sat nav when my phone "should have it",
Now i am going to wait until the official Froyo release from samsung before making any decision.
Right stop my moaning and here are my questions
i have been offered in exchange a sim Free Desire, plus a 16gb Class 6 sdcard, all boxed.
The one thing that worries me about going down the Desire route is how long is this handset gonna last.
Looking at benchmarks the i9000 creams the desire (with lag fix) in pretty much everything, i know this is down to the pretty poor Adreno 200 GPU on snapdragon as linpack shows the snapdragon FPU is better, Quadrant over 2200 currently on my SGS
in gaming terms for the future how long is this gonna last? can i expect games that are released in 6 months from now to run flawlessly? i know its hard for people to see into the future! but NEed for speed seems to run pretty much identically to my SGS, so im wondering if its all down to optimization on both chipsets
also gingerbread? a definate yes? or have HTC still not announced if Desire will be getting it
Samsung wont give any answers on this whatsoever
Also what would you guys do?
The samsung guys say "stay with it" but i want opinions from both camps
Cheers
You are on the same point I was a few weeks ago, well I wasn't offered in exchange by someone but the store owner offered to change it for me. Honestly, I'd say go for it. Samsung's software is crap, Desire has a lot better development community. Not to mention you get HTC Sense. Now one warning, Desire doesn't got true multi-touch, it got pinch support but thats about as far as the multi-touch goes. I tired playing Real Football 2010 with a Desire and it was a crap experience. People have reported Quadrant benchmarks of almost 1800 via OCed kernel and custom ROMs, if you really want to get down to that point but honestly it doesn't make a difference.
And HTC still hasn't announced if Desire is getting Gingerbread but there is a good chance the ROM community will be able to get it running. Plus Samsung still hasn't released Froyo, so I don't see a bright future of Gingerbread coming from them.
Now, GPS on Desire is damn good. It works as good as my 2 year old satnav if not better(It usually gets the fix better, I gave my satnav away ).
Honestly the handset has a good life-time to last, HTC Hero is still doing pretty good so Desire should do good as well was another year or more. Even if HTC may drop the support we have people here giving new life to the device.
My opinion: go for it! Desire is a great phone / smartphone.
The more I use it, the better it is.
Make sure you do a hard reset when you get it...
im seriously 50/50 on this, and now my time frame has been shortened, my mate wants to know by tomorrow otherwise he is ebaying it (mates eh!?)
Benchmarks are not the be all and end all, its bragging rights i suppose.
one thing that is seriously tipping me back to HTC is the support and community development, Samsungs own support is utterly awful, Kies is the worst piece of software i have ever ever used, and no OTA?! what the hell is that about.
As for HTC back in the day when i had my hero, ok there was delays but at least they kept people in the loop, one of my biggest annoyences is not being advised anything from samsung other than "we are working on it"
i dont hold out anyfaith that the filesystem will be sorted out with froyo, i mean it says alot when the XDA guys can fix it, but Samsung dont seem to even ackowledge the fact the software is naff!
i thought the desire had true multi touch? Does this mean playing psx4droid is a poor experiance?
No, it doesn't got true multi-touch. If the x1 intersects with y2 or x2 with y1 it goes haywire. It doesn't have gorilla glass either. But the community of HTC Desire is far better than Galaxy S from my experience, we don't have to use Kies or similar crap either(It was a PITA to get Kies to even recognize my phone, took me well over 4 hours and a lot of headaches), we got OTA! .
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No, it doesn't got true multi-touch. If the x1 intersects with y2 or x2 with y1 it goes haywire. It doesn't have gorilla glass either. But the community of HTC Desire is far better than Galaxy S from my experience, we don't have to use Kies or similar crap either(It was a PITA to get Kies to even recognize my phone, took me well over 4 hours and a lot of headaches), we got OTA! .
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Glad you share my view on Kies, i honestly have never had such issues flashing a firmware, at least with Odin it did what it says on the tin
ok well im pushing more towards the desire, i just HOPE that its as much as an enjoyable process playing PSX games on psx4droid as it is on the Galaxy S, i do alot of travelling and i spend most of that time on trains playing FF7
If you want to do gaming stick with the galaxy s the desire isn't very good for that. Maybe 2.2 for the galaxy s will resolve your issues. I love the desire its a great phone but its horrible for gaming.
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it all depends how much more powerfull the new version of adreno is, obviously developers are still going to develop games for the arm cpu and adreno inparticular, imo i think our gpu will be able to play the games developed for newer versions of adreno but maybe not flawlessly .............. as far as gingerbread goes, the desire will never get it officially as htc are more intrested in supporting what will be then there current generation of devices, but as the desire and n1 are almost identical, and the n1 being googles official developer device, they are sure to get gingerbread, so we maybe we will be the first device to get working custom roms
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it all depends how much more powerfull the new version of adreno is, obviously developers are still going to develop games for the arm cpu and adreno inparticular, imo i think our gpu will be able to play the games developed for newer versions of adreno but maybe not flawlessly .............. as far as gingerbread goes, the desire will never get it officially as htc are more intrested in supporting what will be then there current generation of devices, but as the desire and n1 are almost identical, and the n1 being googles official developer device, they are sure to get gingerbread, so we maybe we will be the first device to get working custom roms
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I never thought of it like that actually regarding future android updates, basically the N1 is the same hardware as the desire, just lacking a little bit of Ram i believe, so shouldnt be too difficult to port over a rom
you sir have just tipped the scales again!
If you care about gaming stick with SGS..devs are even stopping games for desire ( see n.o.v.a) due to the multitouch bug and the the GPU isn't even remotely close to sgs's..Desire's 720p is a big pile of disappointment as well,no matter what rom you try..
other than that it is a fantastic phone...also unique feel as you hold it in your palm..its ergonomy is amazing, even ip4 doesn't sit as well in the hand as desire does..
Your right about the iPhone 4 it is a pain to hold now lol (not about the signal "issue") the edges are Sharp.
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I have a Desire & my friend has a Galaxy S.
I would say the Samsung has a better screen. However:
The Desire is a better over all device, software wise and build quality wise. Oh and it has more ram.
However, if gaming is a serious thing for you, I suggest you stay with the Samsung because they really do have the most powerful mobile GPU.
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I have a Desire & my friend has a Galaxy S.
I would say the Samsung has a better screen. However:
The Desire is a better over all device, software wise and build quality wise. Oh and it has more ram.
However, if gaming is a serious thing for you, I suggest you stay with the Samsung because they really do have the most powerful mobile GPU.
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In respects to gaming its not gaming as such, i mean angry birds beta from the market, any gpu should play that, im more bothered about PSX emulation at this point, my sgs is superb with psx4droid, where as the videos i have seen on youtube dont say the same story with desire, however these are based on the early versions of the app,
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In respects to gaming its not gaming as such, i mean angry birds beta from the market, any gpu should play that, im more bothered about PSX emulation at this point, my sgs is superb with psx4droid, where as the videos i have seen on youtube dont say the same story with desire, however these are based on the early versions of the app,
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Don't worry about that...psx4droid does not yet support hardware acceleration so all graphics are rendered from the CPU , not the GPU...so they should play it equaly well..well runs fine on my desire..and also i had an hd2 before and used fpsece which supported(and still does) hw acceleration..and run great on hd2 (has snapdragon chip, same as htc desire)..could get 40+fps on tekken 3...which is brillian (does not even run in psx4droid)..
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Don't worry about that...psx4droid does not yet support hardware acceleration so all graphics are rendered from the CPU , not the GPU...so they should play it equaly well..well runs fine on my desire..and also i had an hd2 before and used fpsece which supported(and still does) hw acceleration..and run great on hd2 (has snapdragon chip, same as htc desire)..could get 40+fps on tekken 3...which is brillian (does not even run in psx4droid)..
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Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
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Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
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i think we have crappy drivers for our gpu too, the acer liquid has the same gpu but with a cpu that runs at a lower clockspeed, but apparently the 3d rendering on that device surpasses our device
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i think we have crappy drivers for our gpu too, the acer liquid has the same gpu but with a cpu that runs at a lower clockspeed, but apparently the 3d rendering on that device surpasses our device
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no they do not have a standard snapdragon..
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Also had a hd2 and it was excellent, just a pitty about winmo 6.5, do you know if there are any plans for GPU acceleration to be implemented for android?
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Truly no idea..the guy is taking it deadly slow..Kiss Yorkshire goodnight from me had a trip 3 years ago and it was the sweetest town ever..
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Hi guys
I recently got hold of a Samsung i9000 Galaxy S, and i have to say im rather dissapointed.
The lag issue, which none of the lag fixes really actually stop, is so annoying, GPS not working as im one of the unfortunate people who have this issue is another annoyance
The screen is fantastic however, and the music player is aweseome with its equilizer.
However i use my phone for numerous things, media is one thing, GPS also as i dont see the need to buy a seperate sat nav when my phone "should have it",
Now i am going to wait until the official Froyo release from samsung before making any decision.
Right stop my moaning and here are my questions
i have been offered in exchange a sim Free Desire, plus a 16gb Class 6 sdcard, all boxed.
The one thing that worries me about going down the Desire route is how long is this handset gonna last.
Looking at benchmarks the i9000 creams the desire (with lag fix) in pretty much everything, i know this is down to the pretty poor Adreno 200 GPU on snapdragon as linpack shows the snapdragon FPU is better, Quadrant over 2200 currently on my SGS
in gaming terms for the future how long is this gonna last? can i expect games that are released in 6 months from now to run flawlessly? i know its hard for people to see into the future! but NEed for speed seems to run pretty much identically to my SGS, so im wondering if its all down to optimization on both chipsets
also gingerbread? a definate yes? or have HTC still not announced if Desire will be getting it
Samsung wont give any answers on this whatsoever
Also what would you guys do?
The samsung guys say "stay with it" but i want opinions from both camps
Cheers
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id say go for the desire, just won t3 awards phone of the year
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no they do not have a standard snapdragon..
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thats my point!! they have the same gpu running with a 768mhz cpu, and there gpu can do 3D better than ours, read this thread started about overclocking our gpu.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8553534#post8553534
Been trying out the games from gameloft
assassin's creed, fifa and splinter cell....
been experiencing an annoying lag (low fps)...
was wondering if there is a way to play these games smoothly on the desire?
any particular rom that anyone can recommend?
I've got an unrooted phon e..
You do know the Desire is a phone and not a console don't you?
Kernels with the GPU+ fix improves performance. But undoubtly the Desire is not for gaming. DHD, PowerVR GPU handsets and the upcoming Tegra 2 platforms are focused on the performance hungry apps.
Sent from my customized HTC Desire using TTP
You do know the Desire is a phone and not a console don't you?
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and you must know that the upcoming phones / also the current samsung galaxy or the htc desire hd can play these games smoothly on them...wasnt talking about playin the 360 ones on the phone
Facepalm why did you even buy this phone? Lol
If you want gaming then buy a PSP/ipod touch.
Besides this phone doesn't support multi-touch and the axis tends to glitch up...
Aside from that, no.
I don't lag when I play high performance games.
Root ftw. Unroot ftl. This phone has WAY too much potentials UNTAPPED without rooting
Oh and FYI DHD is running an updated Adreno 205.
And SGS is running a MUCH better GPU.
Facts first before twolllin here.
I had a chance to play with a gen 2 windows phone and all of the third party apps were silky smooth. I think it is really worth going for a gen 2 device now.
Meh, not that much of a jump to be worth it. How could it be that much smoother? the processor is only like .2 ghz faster aren't they?
XviD codecs, HDMI out, HD display, native skydrive (I mean seemless, streaming music etc), now that would be worth it.
the graphics is also better and it has a 40-50 % processing boost, so it performs very well. I would recommend very much if you want smooth third party apps.
Gotta agree, I've been playing with a HTC Radar and it's silky smooth. Maybe Microsoft optimized the os in mango.
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i dont know dude, but all the second gen perfrom amazing against the first gen.
Yepp they are faster in every aspect.
I had an Omnia 7 and now Lumia 800, the difference to me is big in eveyday usage.
And the Xbox Hub doesnt lag anymore when the Avatar starts his moves
HTC's move to integrated memory instead of flash mem helps a lot too.
Honestly, while still smooth, my titan seems a bit jumpier than my lumia. Perhaps it's just more discernible on the larger screen, but there's a barely visible jitter to it. My radar doesn't have the issue, nor does my focus S. Has anyone else experienced this or should I replace?
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Honestly, while still smooth, my titan seems a bit jumpier than my lumia. Perhaps it's just more discernible on the larger screen, but there's a barely visible jitter to it. My radar doesn't have the issue, nor does my focus S. Has anyone else experienced this or should I replace?
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Maybe you have that Htc audio enhancer thing enabled? I heard it somehow decreases gpu performance.
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Honestly, while still smooth, my titan seems a bit jumpier than my lumia. Perhaps it's just more discernible on the larger screen, but there's a barely visible jitter to it. My radar doesn't have the issue, nor does my focus S. Has anyone else experienced this or should I replace?
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Maybe you have that Htc audio enhancer thing enabled? I heard it somehow decreases gpu performance.
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Yup proven solution is shut down the sound enhancer in settings while streaming video, playing games. It's not OS bug, it's HTC screwing up things.
yup, cut it off and reset the phone and I'm golden. Thanks guys.
I can confirm what you are experiencing.
I was testing a video recognition and dynamic thresholding algorithm which ran almost 2 times faster on a Lumia 800 compared to the Omnia 7. It was definetly noticeable, ill try to see if I can get the difference in miliseconds if I get the Lumia back.
Also I've noticed apps starting much much quicker! Definetly nice for daily use, great improvements in speed and performance. Although video playback is noticeably worse, but hopeflly this will be solved in the coming update.
Hello there!
I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced this. My friend has a Cloudphone Thrill Plus which has 1.3GHz MediaTek MT6580 quad-core CPU while our Vibe K5 Plus has 1.2GHz Octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 616.
My phone has an Antutu Score of 40780 while my friend only has 24850.
Vainglory runs at 30-50 FPS at Low settings while my friend runs it at 25-30 FPS at the same settings.
BUT, here's where it gets mysterious.
Alto's Adventure (A 2D game) runs a little slow on my phone, while his runs it flawlessly
Injustice: God's Among Us (A 3D game) runs flawlessly on his phone, while mine is a little bit sluggish
Dream League Soccer (A 3D game) runs flawlessy on his phone, while my phone can barely get to 30FPS with that game.
Same with Mortal Kombat X (3D), Space Marshals 2 (3D) and other seemingly low-end games.
My phone's GPU and CPU is set to max clock at performance governors.
I am rooted and currently using MIUI 8.
BRIEF SUMMARY:
Phone performs poorly when compared to lower-end phones.
FOR REFERENCE:
Here is a comparison of the 2 CPU's
http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com...k-MT6580-vs-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-616-MSM8939v2
Are we missing something here? Or is my phone fake/bugged?
If this is a widespread problem, let's fix this, If I am the only one having it, then I don't know, please help.
When it comes to in-game performance, a processor isn't everything there is. If your friend has a 720p screen, that's what's causing most of the performance boosts. Rendering at 1080p is a taxing task, and will take a lot of processing power from both the set of processors and the GPU. Another factor to take into account is the amount of RAM available for a game's process.
In my opinion, if you're looking for performance, you shouldn't be using a MIUI ROM to begin with. Switch to AOSP-based or LineageOS-based ROMs, and try experimenting with custom kernels. There's always a possibility of your phone having a manufacturing defect or simply being fake, but that is extremely unlikely.
He has a bigger screen than me, I have 3GB ram and he only has 1.5
I have tried different roms but they still give the same result.
It's possible that My device might be rendering at 1080p while his is at 480p or 720p even though he has a bigger screen.
If so, then how can I change my screen to 720p?
I'm hesitating about changing to Nougat since benchmarks show that Marshmallow still performs better
Okay so I downloaded a resolution changer, but it messes with the off-screen hardware buttons, is there a way to retain the hardware buttons while on a lower resolution?
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Okay so I downloaded a resolution changer, but it messes with the off-screen hardware buttons, is there a way to retain the hardware buttons while on a lower resolution?
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hey bro, Is it real that you got a cloudfone thrill plus 16GB phone? I actually rooted my just a few days ago, can you give me some links on where to find some good rom? and why is it that we are not having our own thread? we are actually sharing to lenovo sections here. thanks in advance.
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Hello there!
I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced this. My friend has a Cloudphone Thrill Plus which has 1.3GHz MediaTek MT6580 quad-core CPU while our Vibe K5 Plus has 1.2GHz Octa-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 616.
My phone has an Antutu Score of 40780 while my friend only has 24850.
Vainglory runs at 30-50 FPS at Low settings while my friend runs it at 25-30 FPS at the same settings.
BUT, here's where it gets mysterious.
Alto's Adventure (A 2D game) runs a little slow on my phone, while his runs it flawlessly
Injustice: God's Among Us (A 3D game) runs flawlessly on his phone, while mine is a little bit sluggish
Dream League Soccer (A 3D game) runs flawlessy on his phone, while my phone can barely get to 30FPS with that game.
Same with Mortal Kombat X (3D), Space Marshals 2 (3D) and other seemingly low-end games.
My phone's GPU and CPU is set to max clock at performance governors.
I am rooted and currently using MIUI 8.
BRIEF SUMMARY:
Phone performs poorly when compared to lower-end phones.
FOR REFERENCE:
Here is a comparison of the 2 CPU's
http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com...k-MT6580-vs-Qualcomm-Snapdragon-616-MSM8939v2
Are we missing something here? Or is my phone fake/bugged?
If this is a widespread problem, let's fix this, If I am the only one having it, then I don't know, please help.
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This is one more post that confirms that benchmark scores doesn't mean s**t in real life. Don't trust benchmarks, on all phones I had roms with lowest scores gave the best performance.