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...my naked N5 slipped from my cold, numb fingers and landed flat but face down on a NYC sidewalk a couple days ago. At first it looked like a "soft landing" but no such luck and now I'm looking at a screen replacement (screen itself OK, but glass cracked all to hell).
So now I'm wondering if this could have been prevented simply by a case and not necessarily a screen protector as well. I've used cases such as an Otterbox Commuter in the past but never dropped any of those phones to the extent this one went down. It seems to me that any case with a slight lip on the front -- as most of them must have -- would be enough since the screen itself would not hit the ground.
From research on this forum and web sites I'm currently favoring the Spigen Thin Armor case but am wondering if a high-quality screen protector would also be worth it. My screen at the time it was damaged really had no scratches at all, so the Gorilla Glass was doing its job. Would one of those tempered glass protectors also provide shatter protection? Or would a decent case by itself be sufficient?
FWIW, I've used thin-film protectors in the past but always found them annoying due to bubbles, making the screen less readable, and/or affecting the touch response.

Even with a case on, if there was a small rock or a jagged edge on the ground that nicks the screen, it would have still been toast anyway. This is regardless of if there was a lip protecting it or not. It all depends on what's on the ground by chance.
A tempered glass protector probably could have saved the screen though, since you said it landed flat on its face. Tempered glass protectors are perfect for impacts that land face down, not so much on edges or sides. You will see most demonstrations of tempered glass done with nails, hammers, drop tests, etc. with the phone being impacted directly on the face. If it impacts from the side, there is a good chance the screen could still break as tempered glass isn't really designed to protect from those types of impacts.
That is where the case with a lip comes in. Those are meant to protect from side and edge impacts. Most drops generally don't land flat like yours, they tend to bounce around on corners first, so the case would absorb most of the impact and not the phone directly.
Your best bet is to both have a tempered glass screen protector (for flat impacts), and a bumper frame or TPU case (for the rest).
I use a Nillkin H+ Tempered Glass screen protector and a bumper frame (back not covered as I put a skin on the back) and I'm pretty much covered for most brain lapse moments.

rochrunner said:
FWIW, I've used thin-film protectors in the past but always found them annoying due to bubbles, making the screen less readable, and/or affecting the touch response.
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Once you learn the hinge method for putting on screen protectors, you won't have air bubbles or dust underneath. You can't even tell my phone has a screen protector on it. Youtube has several videos on how to do it properly.
I refuse to pay big $$$ for glass protectors because you only get one of them, and you either do it right, or throw it away. With plastic protectors, you get several for a few dollars.

wolfen69 said:
I refuse to pay big $$$ for glass protectors because you only get one of them, and you either do it right, or throw it away. With plastic protectors, you get several for a few dollars.
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That's not true. I applied and removed my Nillkin more then 10 times during the application to get rid of the dust I missed trapped underneath because I suck at applying screen protectors. It reapplied the same every time. All you have to do is make sure you don't firmly press it down and you're fine. This is even after you see the adhesion process occur. It will still peel up. The adhesive takes a few hours to a day (depending on brand) to fully stick/cure.
If a person like me can apply one glass screen protector, anyone else will do it better. One is all you need.
Plastic will only give basic scratch protection and leave a greasy screen after a while. If it takes the same fall his did, the screen would still be done for.

mmmmBACON said:
I use a Nillkin H+ Tempered Glass screen protector and a bumper frame (back not covered as I put a skin on the back) and I'm pretty much covered for most brain lapse moments.
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What bumper frame do you use? I've been looking for one myself for a while now...
Cases protect the actual body of the phone, and maybe the screen if it happens to land flat. But if a rock of some other elevated object hits the screen then it will be done for. And a plastic screen protector will do nothing, that protects against scratches like from sand. A glass one would be the best bet for shatter protection. I've seen a person take a hammer to a screen with a glass screen protector on. The protector was rekt but the phone screen was fine.

Awesomepie85 said:
What bumper frame do you use? I've been looking for one myself for a while now...
Cases protect the actual body of the phone, and maybe the screen if it happens to land flat. But if a rock of some other elevated object hits the screen then it will be done for. And a plastic screen protector will do nothing, that protects against scratches like from sand. A glass one would be the best bet for shatter protection. I've seen a person take a hammer to a screen with a glass screen protector on. The protector was rekt but the phone screen was fine.
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There are 2 that I would probably recommend. I'm currently using a transparent bumper case off of ebay. I did a review here http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/accessories/lucency-transparent-bumper-case-review-t2690108. It is $2.88 shipped. If you do choose this one, I would stick to black. After using them for a while now, the various colours tend to stain easily, but the black doesn't. It is just for light drop protection, but since the main body is a harder plastic, it won't absorb a higher drop like a softer bumper frame, or a TPU case would. I personally like it because it is transparent and you can still see the sides of the phone and the skin through it.
The other is the replica Nexus 4 bumper, for the Nexus 5. Mine is still in the mail so I haven't tried it out yet, but others have bought it and it seems to have gotten pretty good reviews overall. http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/accessories/replica-official-nexus-4-bumper-nexus-5-t2698422. It's a little bit pricier at $12.99 off Amazon, or around $8 - $10 off Aliexpress.

rochrunner said:
...my naked N5 slipped from my cold, numb fingers and landed flat but face down on a NYC sidewalk a couple days ago. At first it looked like a "soft landing" but no such luck and now I'm looking at a screen replacement (screen itself OK, but glass cracked all to hell).
So now I'm wondering if this could have been prevented simply by a case and not necessarily a screen protector as well. I've used cases such as an Otterbox Commuter in the past but never dropped any of those phones to the extent this one went down. It seems to me that any case with a slight lip on the front -- as most of them must have -- would be enough since the screen itself would not hit the ground.
From research on this forum and web sites I'm currently favoring the Spigen Thin Armor case but am wondering if a high-quality screen protector would also be worth it. My screen at the time it was damaged really had no scratches at all, so the Gorilla Glass was doing its job. Would one of those tempered glass protectors also provide shatter protection? Or would a decent case by itself be sufficient?
FWIW, I've used thin-film protectors in the past but always found them annoying due to bubbles, making the screen less readable, and/or affecting the touch response.
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There are many choices for thicker protection cases. Properly applied screen protectors don't have any bubbles.
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Hey! There's a kickstarter project for someone: A case with airbags that deploy when the phone finds itself in free-fall .

Claghorn said:
Hey! There's a kickstarter project for someone: A case with airbags that deploy when the phone finds itself in free-fall .
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Those sly people at Honda have already done it.

Claghorn said:
Hey! There's a kickstarter project for someone: A case with airbags that deploy when the phone finds itself in free-fall .
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I don't think I'd feel comfortable having that in my side pocket close to my family jewels or especially not in my back pocket.
BCSC said:
Those sly people at Honda have already done it.
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[Q] Tempered glass

I want to use my phone without any case. I'm not afraid of scratches, but I'm afraid of screen cracking if I drop my phone. So my question is: if I use tempered glass, will it protect my screen from cracking? Or they will both be cracked? And I also want that glass is the thinnest. So I was thinking about getting 0.15 mm tempered glass. Is it different from 0.3mm or 0.4mm in term of protection, or does only the hardness matter?
Thank you for your reply.

I've dropped mine many many times onto wood and concrete without a screen protector. The phone is a little chipped and scratched, but the screen is absolutely fine.
A nilkin tempered glass screen protector is a good investment as it feels brilliant although when I dropped mine with that on it smashed the corner of the protector.
The edges of the phone are slightly raised so without the screen protector on, a drop onto a flat surface will not damage the screen but will damage the screen protector.
A drop onto a raised surface like a stone would probably break the screen protector but don't know if it'd also damage the screen.
Question is, how often do you drop your phone, and how much do you want to spend on glass protectors?

HtcOneJon said:
I've dropped mine many many times onto wood and concrete without a screen protector. The phone is a little chipped and scratched, but the screen is absolutely fine.
A nilkin tempered glass screen protector is a good investment as it feels brilliant although when I dropped mine with that on it smashed the corner of the protector.
The edges of the phone are slightly raised so without the screen protector on, a drop onto a flat surface will not damage the screen but will damage the screen protector.
A drop onto a raised surface like a stone would probably break the screen protector but don't know if it'd also damage the screen.
Question is, how often do you drop your phone, and how much do you want to spend on glass protectors?
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I was thinking about Nillkin, but I think it would be too thick. So I'm considering those 0.15 mm protectors in this topic: http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc...5mm-dot-view-friendly-tempered-glass-t2810825
I also thought about xtremeguard, since I use their normal protectors and they are great. It 50$, but with 85% off coupon it's just a few bucks. Only problem is that it's 0.4mm.
Which one would you recommend? I'm planning to spend 10-15$, because 40-50$ is really to much for a protector, in my opinion.

This is the one I use:
ZeroLemon® Ultra Glass Armor - 9H Premium Tempered Glass Screen Protector for HTC One M8

Oditius said:
This is the one I use:
ZeroLemon® Ultra Glass Armor - 9H Premium Tempered Glass Screen Protector for HTC One M8
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Is it noticable a lot while it's on the phone, since it's 0.3mm?

HTC_One_M8_91 said:
Is it noticable a lot while it's on the phone, since it's 0.3mm?
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If your looking for it, but after putting on, I haven't paid much attention to it. I dropped my phone once, chipped away at the edges of the shield. The seller replaced it free. I like tempered glass, it is the only screen proctor I will put on my phones. The only bad thing is that it goes edge to edge with the glass. So if you have a case that touches the screen, that might cause a problem. I use a thin clear cars I got off ebay. Works for me.
Ultra 0.5mm Slim TPU Skin Clear new Case Transparent Cover

Oditius said:
If your looking for it, but after putting on, I haven't paid much attention to it. I dropped my phone once, chipped away at the edges of the shield. The seller replaced it free. I like tempered glass, it is the only screen proctor I will put on my phones. The only bad thing is that it goes edge to edge with the glass. So if you have a case that touches the screen, that might cause a problem. I use a thin clear cars I got off ebay. Works for me.
Ultra 0.5mm Slim TPU Skin Clear new Case Transparent Cover
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The only annoying thing could be top edge, when I pull down notification bar.
Case wouldn't be a problem, because I'm planning to use phone without case, and that why I'm looking for a tempered glass, to protect screen from cracking.

HTC_One_M8_91 said:
The only annoying thing could be top edge, when I pull down notification bar.
Case wouldn't be a problem, because I'm planning to use phone without case, and that why I'm looking for a tempered glass, to protect screen from cracking.
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Actually then it could be a benefit, because going edge to edge means you will probably not touch the edge. And the edge is not sharp, nice and smooth. The price is cheap enough to try it. I have tried several over the last few months, mostly from China. But this is US born and works and feels great.

To screen protector or not to screen protector?

Do you use a screen protector or not? Please be sure to vote!
If not, is the Gorilla Glass enough, or does your naked screen have scratches (or worse)?

I haven't used a screen protector so far and I regret it. There's no deep scratches, but there are micro-scratches that are visible in bright lighting...

MelloZ said:
I haven't used a screen protector so far and I regret it. There's no deep scratches, but there are micro-scratches that are visible in bright lighting...
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Sorry to hear that…*Did you keep it in your pocket with keys, coins, etc.?

I have a pixel XL screen protector on my A7. I cut it to fit the A7.

I thought you had cut a Note 7 cover to fit?

amphi66 said:
I thought you had cut a Note 7 cover to fit?
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I did but it peeled off so I cut a pixel screen protector.

borijess said:
I did but it peeled off so I cut a pixel screen protector.
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Tempered glass or flexible film?

MelloZ said:
I haven't used a screen protector so far and I regret it. There's no deep scratches, but there are micro-scratches that are visible in bright lighting...
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I've had the same experience. I didn't use a screen protector for a period of maybe, 3 weeks? And noticed the micro scratches also when viewing the device at extreme angles. [near 180 obtuse angles? Or near 0 degree acute angles respective to the plane of the phone? Sorry math people.]
One of the few things about the phone that make me a little disappointed with ZTE.
Since then, I've been using a liquid screen protector and it works well.. I've dropped my phone once. From about 4-5 feet up onto concrete with no damage to screen but a metal flake on the upper and lower housing.
I would recommend using something.. Anything, as some protection is better than no protection. Be it from micro scratches, hairline cracks, or complete screen destruction.

MrWilsonxD said:
I didn't use a screen protector for a period of maybe, 3 weeks? And noticed the micro scratches also when viewing the device at extreme angles. [near 180 obtuse angles? Or near 0 degree acute angles respective to the plane of the phone? Sorry math people.]
One of the few things about the phone that make me a little disappointed with ZTE.
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The problem is Gorilla Glass 4… It's more prone to tiny scratches than Gorilla Glass 3. But don't most smartphones, including the iPhone and the Samsung Galaxy line use GG4 as well?

No screen protector here as I couldn't find one, and luckily I have no scratches at all. The screen seems incredibly resistant!

baconboy said:
No screen protector here as I couldn't find one, and luckily I have no scratches at all. The screen seems incredibly resistant!
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So you removed the one that came pre-installed on the phone?

Actually the EU version does not come with a screen protector. So maybe he has that version. i do

That's the reason I've always uesd tempered glass - micro scratches! To all the people thinking it's because of keys or coins, etc. in your pocket- it's not, as most keys and coins are usually softer metal that can't scratch Gorila Glass (that's how they're able to make keys for you from blanks).
It's little particles of sand that can end up with the rest of your pocket lint that's believed to be the cause of microscratches. Sand is usually silica which is 6-7 on MOH's scale for hardness which is above what any of the Gorilla Glass 1-5 has been rated to protect.

I'm now on my second Axon 7, due to a cracked screen. I was using an aftermarket flexible protector. Looking for a tempered glass option for the replacement phone.
On the upside, ZTE does at least include accidental damage coverage in the warranty. It's still $80 for accidental damage, but that's a heck of a lot cheaper than buying a new phone or getting the screen repaired.

tsgeek said:
I'm now on my second Axon 7, due to a cracked screen. I was using an aftermarket flexible protector.
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Which aftermarket flexible protector? How did it get cracked, and which case were you using, if any?
In my opinion, the case is the most important element of protection from cracking in case of drops, unless the screen hits something sharp, like a rock or the corner of something —*that's when you need tempered glass.

nuserame said:
Which aftermarket flexible protector? How did it get cracked, and which case were you using, if any?
In my opinion, the case is the most important element of protection from cracking in case of drops, unless the screen hits something sharp, like a rock or the corner of something —*that's when you need tempered glass.
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Good point. I wasn't using any kind of case, and it likely would have helped in my scenario. The protector was a DeltaShield BodyArmor Full Coverage Screen Protector. I dropped the phone on to my concrete porch. I think it hit flat face down on the concrete.
I have 2 different cases on order: a Spigen Rugged Armor case and a CoverON Hard Slim Hybrid Kickstand case. We'll see which one I like better.

Which screen protector to get?

I'm looking for a new screen protector for my 3T. Here's my requirements:
Tempered glass
Doesn't let dust get under it over time
Doesn't keep me from seeing pixels along the edges (rules out OnePlus 3/3T Curved Tempered Glass Screen Protector; see https://youtu.be/rVtWOmDrVGU?t=119)
Covers up the entire display area (rules out OnePlus 3/3T Tempered Glass Screen Protector; see my attached photo)
Works with at least one of the big protective cases like Otterbox Case for OnePlus 3/3T, Spigen Neo Hybrid OnePlus 3 Case / OnePlus 3T Case with Flexible Inner Protection and Reinforced Hard Bumper Frame for OnePlus 3 2016 - Gunmetal, or OnePlus 3T / OnePlus 3 Case, TUDIA Slim-Fit HEAVY DUTY [MERGE] EXTREME Protection / Rugged but Slim Dual Layer Case for OnePlus 3T, OnePlus 3 (Matte Black)
Are there any screen protectors that meet all of these criteria?

the unicorn..gl

Doesn't exist.. that I've seen.

Sigh... Why did OnePlus have to curve the screen? :crying:

Yeah,there's no good tempered glass protector. The only option is a plastic protector.

B3501 said:
Yeah,there's no good tempered glass protector. The only option is a plastic protector.
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Yeah, it's looking that way. I really don't want to go that route because plastic has next to no impact protection.

I have the Orzly tempered glass protector, no issues here... Recommend it

dsdavis6 said:
I have the Orzly tempered glass protector, no issues here... Recommend it
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It comes off eventually,you get the rainbow effect and dust eventually gets underneath it as it only sticks to the edges.

I bought a couple of cheap ones off eBay that go around the home button and speaker. Don't even notice it's on most of the time. I get a little oil spill type effect but that's only when the screens off and not noticeable unless I look for it. Think the key is getting it really stuck down. When I first put it on I ended up with tobacco underneath it from my pocket but carefully took it off and reapplied it and so far it's been fine. Had it on about 2 months maybe 6 weeks and it's been great

I'm having the same issue as you. I'm not sure which tempered glass screen protector to use..
After a little search, it seems like the issue with the official curved screen protector from OnePlus has been fixed. I'm gonna bite the bullet and just go for that once, since it's "official". Will report back with images.

exb0 said:
After a little search, it seems like the issue with the official curved screen protector from OnePlus has been fixed.
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Where'd you see that? I'm under the impression that they said they were going to fix it, but all they ended up doing was adding a disclaimer about the problem to the description page.

Hey everyone,
I bought the curved tempered glass and it was so so so bad I removed it 1 minute after using it.
When you put your finger on the fingerprint sensor, I get the feeling that i'm putting my finger into a hole.
The feeling I get when I look at the screen, its the same as if my phone was outside a window...
It was expensive and I'm not using it. Tried to refund it and the support didnt allowed it.
The curved tempered glass does protect the whole phone into a point that it kills the whole feeling you get when
the phone is naked.
Please do not buy it!
I bought recently the normal tempered glass but I still didnt received it.
When it arrives I'll give some news.

I received these today and applied the first one perfectly. I can't tell there is anything on the screen. They do not attract smudges anymore than the phone's glass which is good.
I am more so trying to protect against micro scratches so do not necessarily need the better protection of glass.
OnePlus 3 / OnePlus 3T Screen Protectors, Multi-Pack of 5 Orzly Transparent Screen Guards Sheets for the ONE PLUS THREE SmartPhone (Original 2016 Mode https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01H7BTSM0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apap_8PbcRUUQS3tVw
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Using the orzly v2 glass and its cool. Yes you can see the dot matrix in direct sunlight, yes you get random rainbow in in hot/humid places. But overall its usually clear and perfect. If you use a case it just blends in and although the extra height is daunting on the home button at first, after a month I can say I can't even tell anymore, not obtrusive at all.

Experience with official tempered glass protector
So just to share my experience with the official curved tempered glass protector from oneplus after using it for some weeks.
I'm using it with the Otterbox case and it does work well together overall. It did happen very rarely that an edge was pushed off by the case when the phone was in my pocket. The visibility of the edges of the screen is impaired, but not to the point that I find it disturbing in every day usage.
So my point is, overall this combination works well and provides good protection while adding reasonable bulk. I think it's a very solid choice as of now.

dsdavis6 said:
I have the Orzly tempered glass protector, no issues here... Recommend it
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Yup, quite happy with that. But I'm not 100% persuaded that's actually tempered glass. I managed to get it chipped just by holding it in my pocket with some coins (I assume, as I never dropped it). Nothing major, but never happened with any other glass screen protector before. So, guess that's still going to provide some level of protection but wouldn't trust it too much for major protection.
Apart from that, that's ok for the price.
IMHO

Has anyone tried:
https://www.ultimateshield.co.uk/collections/oneplus-3t-3

SlyUK said:
Has anyone tried:
https://www.ultimateshield.co.uk/collections/oneplus-3t-3
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It seems to have the same problem as the official OnePlus full-coverage protector where you lose some edge pixels, according to the 3-star review on the white model.

I'm on my 2nd Orzly V2 now and it's not too bad. I have limited rainbow affect which is only visible under fluorescent lights and the touch sensitivity is generally OK. It's not great by any means but it's adequate, will protect the screen and is the best out of a poor lot.

Make by my self based on polyurethane film

Tempered Glass and Screen Protector Film

I bought an Edge to Edge tempered glass from good mobile accessory shop and got it fitted in my Mi10 by a professional technician there itself.After a week or so there developed one or two air bubbles in the screen and they began to grow big covering half of my screen.So I approached the shop again and they repalaced the glass with a new one.After about 2 weeks there began to develop air bubbles again and they growing in size gradually.My had not dropped anywhere from me or others.So what is the reason for this?If I replace the tempered glass with a Screen Protector film,can the developing of air bubbles be completely prevented?Aso will this actually protect the phone screen glass from breaking in the event of a fall?Can anyone suggest a good quality Tempered glass and good quality Scree Protector Film?

pnsdhrn said:
I bought an Edge to Edge tempered glass from good mobile accessory shop and got it fitted in my Mi10 by a professional technician there itself.After a week or so there developed one or two air bubbles in the screen and they began to grow big covering half of my screen.So I approached the shop again and they repalaced the glass with a new one.After about 2 weeks there began to develop air bubbles again and they growing in size gradually.My had not dropped anywhere from me or others.So what is the reason for this?If I replace the tempered glass with a Screen Protector film,can the developing of air bubbles be completely prevented?Aso will this actually protect the phone screen glass from breaking in the event of a fall?Can anyone suggest a good quality Tempered glass and good quality Scree Protector Film?
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It will offer some protection but if the phone lands a certain way the screen is going to crack regardless of what you've got on.
I just used a basic film one but the fingerprint is a bit crap. Glass ones never fitted right.

Hey you can try using Siege Glastimate+ for Galaxy S20+. It's a UV glue tempered glass. Price is quite high but it is really case friendly tbh bc im using the glass with my Ringke Fusion-X casing with no problem. And also the tempered glass has no touch issues whatsoever bc it is a UV glue not like normal tempered glass with edge only glue. And for the back panel I'm using a cheap carbon fibre sticker to avoid scratches haha

I bought the one from *******.. to much of my surprise it actually is quite good.
Installation was easy with an included guide/holder. The film has 2 parts that lets you apply the top half first then the bottom.
It's super thin, like what you'd see from the factory. The TPU film is also really smooth.
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https://www.amazon.com/*******-Protector-Display-Fingerprint-Support/dp/B085DB4T83
Not sure why it's putting *** in place of the brand name

Did you test Spigen? The one applied from default is really poor, it is scratched very easily

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I bought the one from *******.. to much of my surprise it actually is quite good.
Installation was easy with an included guide/holder. The film has 2 parts that lets you apply the top half first then the bottom.
It's super thin, like what you'd see from the factory. The TPU film is also really smooth.
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https://www.amazon.com/*******-Protector-Display-Fingerprint-Support/dp/B085DB4T83
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Did any of you found a good screen protector that is case friendly? I want to use it with a Spigen case. Thanks!