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When I visit websites that also have sites optimized for mobile phones like nu.nl and cracked.com i am direcedt to those. But I want the original site. I can't find a way to change it. I turned mobile view off.
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When I visit websites that also have sites optimized for mobile phones like nu.nl and cracked.com i am direcedt to those. But I want the original site. I can't find a way to change it. I turned mobile view off.
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You can't change it. It's not caused by Opera. It's the site that detects that you are using Opera Mini, and decides that you are to get a mobile site instead of the full site. Complain to the site.
Type opera:config in your address bar and poke around with the settings. It's in there somewhere.
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You can't change it. It's not caused by Opera. It's the site that detects that you are using Opera Mini, and decides that you are to get a mobile site instead of the full site.
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And where do you think the site gets this information from? From Opera! - sending the wrong string as user agent in it's HTTP-requests.
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Complain to the site.
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No. The site does deliver correctly what the browser requested. It's definitely Opera sending the wrong request.
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And where do you think the site gets this information from? From Opera! - sending the wrong string as user agent in it's HTTP-requests.
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No, it's sending the right string. It's telling the site which browser it is. The wrong thing would be to lie about it.
No. The site does deliver correctly what the browser requested. It's definitely Opera sending the wrong request.
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No, Opera is just telling the site that it's Opera. The site is choosing what it does when it encounters Opera.
If Opera changed its user agent string to become unrecognizable, browser statistics would be messed up, and sites relying on browsers to be truthful would break.
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No, it's sending the right string. It's telling the site which browser it is. The wrong thing would be to lie about it.
No, Opera is just telling the site that it's Opera. The site is choosing what it does when it encounters Opera.
If Opera changed its user agent string to become unrecognizable, browser statistics would be messed up, and sites relying on browsers to be truthful would break.
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So this anoying problem can be fixed by just changing one string or telling 3476587653745344378 sites to change the way they handle requests.
I think it wouldn't even mess up statistics. There are more reliable methods to identify the browser than by using the user agent. The desktop version for example is capable of identifying itself as IE or Firefox and it does not mess up statistics.
I don't get mobile versions of pages shown in Opera mobile so this should be possible in Mini too.
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So this anoying problem can be fixed by just changing one string or telling 3476587653745344378 sites to change the way they handle requests.
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Changing the string would break 3476587653745344378^10 other sites. And would remove it completely from browser stats. Which would get all the whiners going on about how no one is using Opera again.
I think it wouldn't even mess up statistics. There are more reliable methods to identify the browser than by using the user agent.
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Such as?
The desktop version for example is capable of identifying itself as IE or Firefox and it does not mess up statistics.
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It identifies as Opera by default. When it identifies as something else, it is not counted as Opera, but as a different browser.
I don't get mobile versions of pages shown in Opera mobile so this should be possible in Mini too.
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Of course it's possible in Mini. This has got nothing to do with Opera Mini's capabilities. It's the site that chooses to send you to a mobile site.
You can argue as much as you want, it doesn't change anythink about the fact, that O-mini does not show the expected content although it could be very easily be fixed. That's ultra-anoying on any high-res-device.
There's even a checkbox in Opera's options to chose if you want to see mobile-versions if available or not, but it's just ignored.
I'm pretty sure the string can be altered in a way that does both, full-size-content AND right statistics.
Check showip.com with Desktop-Opera. It shows your user agent. It changes when you set Opera to claim it's IE or FF, but they all still include "Opera" +version in that string. Stats can still identify it correctly no matter what you select.
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You can argue as much as you want, it doesn't change anythink about the fact, that O-mini does not show the expected content although it could be very easily be fixed.
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I'm not arguing. I'm pointing out the fact that Opera Mini is simply showing the content that's being sent to it. I'm pointing out the fact that it's the site that's doing this. You are arguing because you evidently don't understand the subject matter.
There's even a checkbox in Opera's options to chose if you want to see mobile-versions if available or not, but it's just ignored.
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No, that checkbox actually controls what Opera Mini does. It changes the way Opera Mini handles a page. This is completely different from the problem you are referring to, which has to do with what the site does when it detects that you are using Opera Mini.
I'm pretty sure the string can be altered in a way that does both, full-size-content AND right statistics.
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No, because the sites that are sending Opera Mini to mobile pages are doing so specifically for Opera Mini. If Opera Mini changes its UA string, those sites will simply adapt to the new string, and send that to a mobile page as well. You will have gotten nowhere, except making other people's life harder.
Check showip.com with Desktop-Opera. It shows your user agent. It changes when you set Opera to claim it's IE or FF, but they all still include "Opera" +version in that string. Stats can still identify it correctly no matter what you select.
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Again, the sites that send Opera Mini to a mobile version are specifically looking for Opera Mini. If you change the string to include other browsers, the page will still specifically look for Opera Mini. It would solve nothing, as explained above.
Stats can identify it correctly if you don't remove Opera Mini from the string. But you seemed to suggest that they simply hide Opera Mini completely, in which case those stats sites would not be able to detect it.
Finally, what more reliable methods to identify the browser than the user agent string are there?
This is getting too much blah blah for a trivial thing. It could be fixed but it's not --> not good
It does work with Opera mobile, that's proof enough that it could work with mini too, no matter how it works.
You are right about the checkbox "mobile view", that's "Small screen rendering mode" which is something else... misleading label.
Im not the expert that can tell you how exactly the user Agent string has to look like, but it's obvious that it could work with the right one.
(Forget about "more reliable methods", seams like it does all work fine with user agents only)
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This is getting too much blah blah for a trivial thing. It could be fixed but it's not --> not good
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It needs to be fixed by the site. It is not Opera Mini which decides which page it's being sent.
It does work with Opera mobile, that's proof enough that it could work with mini too, no matter how it works.
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Opera Mini and Opera Mobile have different UA strings. Again, it's got nothing to do with "working with Opera Mini". This isn't caused by Opera Mini. It's caused by sites that detect that you are using Opera Mini.
Im not the expert that can tell you how exactly the user Agent string has to look like, but it's obvious that it could work with the right one.
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I'm telling you that it couldn't. These sites that send Opera Mini mobile content do so because they chose to specifically do so for whatever reason. Changing the UA string would just piss these people off, and update their scripts to send mobile pages to the new UA string as well.
It's getting boring. Have fun with ugly unreadable pages while I surf the web how it's supposed to look.
You admit that you were mistaken then, I presume?
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You admit that you were mistaken then, I presume?
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No, you're simply wrong, I just gave up convining you.
So I am "simply wrong" even though you made all the false assertions, such as "more reliable methods" (showing that you have no idea what you are talking about).
Telling me that I'm wrong when all your arguments so far have been devastated is not exactly convincing.
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So I am "simply wrong" even though you made all the false assertions, such as "more reliable methods" (showing that you have no idea what you are talking about).
Telling me that I'm wrong when all your arguments so far have been devastated is not exactly convincing.
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I was wrong in a detail like I already said above. But that doesn't change anything about the rest. The problem can definitely be fixed in the Software, that's a provable fact I'm not going to discuss anymore. Saying the software is ok, just the rest of the world has to change to become compatible is just nonsense because it will not fix the problem because it will never happen.
Besides the alternative view does make sense on low end devices so it has to be Opera to decide witch view to load depending on the resulution of the device or better by the settings the user made. And don't tell me again it's not possible, that's just nonsense because it's not and does already work with other browsers.
The "problem" can't be "fixed" by Opera without breaking it for everyone else.
The rest of the world doesn't need to change. You are the one who wants sites who specifically send Opera Mini users to a mobile site to change.
As I already explained, this is not about "Opera views", this is about what kind of content a site sends to Opera. It "works" in other browsers because the sites are not sending them to a mobile site.
Again: Changing the useragen string would break ****loads of websites, and Opera would disappear from the stats. That, or the change will achieve exactly nothing, because the sites that are sending Opera Mini users to a mobile site are specifically looking for Opera Mini in the first place.
You need to stop making assertions when you are clearly severely lacking in knowledge on the subject. It gets worse when you blame Opera for something the site is doing, and claim that it's in Opera's hands.
Sure it's the Site that sends different content, nobody stated anything else. But it depends on the request made by the browser! And when I say it works in other browsers I'm NOT talking about desktop browsers. I use Opera mobile and it does what i want although I got the same results as with Mini with default settings.
In Opera mobile you just go to the setting and set "Spoof UserAgent ID" to "2" to mask as Mozilla. That does still leave "Opera 9.7" mentioned in the User agent and is still identified in browser statistics correctly, but this way you allways get fullsize content without breaking anything. Sure thing the same can be done to any other browser easily.
Maybe you just try it yourself and then we talk again who's got a lack of knowledge.
It's so funny reading all the time what's impossible while everyone can download other mobile browsers and see with own eyes that it's not.
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Sure it's the Site that sends different content, nobody stated anything else. But it depends on the request made by the browser!
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In what way, specifically? What kind of request?
And when I say it works in other browsers I'm NOT talking about desktop browsers. I use Opera mobile and it does what i want although I got the same results as with Mini with default settings.
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Again, that is because other browsers have a different UA string, and the sites haven't started specifically sending those to a mobile page.
In Opera mobile you just go to the setting and set "Spoof UserAgent ID" to "2" to mask as Mozilla. That does still leave "Opera 9.7" mentioned in the User agent and is still identified in browser statistics correctly, but this way you allways get fullsize content without breaking anything.
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No, masking as Mozilla completely removes "Opera". "Identify as" doesn't.
How do you know that it's identified in browser statistics?
BTW, please give me an example of a site which sends mobile content to Opera Mobile 7 before changing this setting.
It's so funny reading all the time what's impossible while everyone can download other mobile browsers and see with own eyes that it's not.
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Evidently, those other mobile browsers are not being singled out by the site and sent mobile content. Once again you show that you completely fail to understand the fundamentals of browser sniffing.
in my view i dont think mini5 is esstially much speedy & good than mini4.2 so i am still use 4.2 now
seeing as Hulu blocked android's version of flash, (they say 'licensing issues' because they don't want us getting their content on the go for free, even tho it's ad supported, they all want us to go through itunes and amazon and pay for each episode of the office or whatever show you like) would it be possible to have the android browser use a different browser profile, such as using it and it shows up as a regular chrome browser from windows to the website? I remember that safari on the mac/pc has this built in with the dev mode turned on, and I know firefox can do it with an extension (probably chrome too), but would it be possible on android to be able to get hulu? (I've not had an android phone yet so I still have no idea. Still stuck with Apple's itorture 3gs, can't believe I bought another iphone after the 3g. only 12 days until EVO!)
I 've read some reviews saying they got to view hulu just fine and others stating the exact opposite.
I dont know what to believe.
stock no, there are many reports of froyo working with hulu though. So now that root has come to the evo maybe they can install custom roms too. if thats the case im sure someone will bake a delicious froyo rom
lol, one day later I get my answer here
The funny thing is I texted the guy at engadget with the Evo 4g review unit (the phone number is in a picture with a sticky not on the box) and he never replied back. Coincidence? lol I think not. I can even show the texts to prove it but I sold my iphone today so i'd have to restore my moms iphone to get the texts back, and I'll only go that far if I really must
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all you have to do is make Hulu think you're using a desktop browser, which can be done simply by entering "about:debug" in the address bar and switching the UAString setting from Android to desktop.
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all you have to do is make Hulu think you're using a desktop browser, which can be done simply by entering "about:debug" in the address bar and switching the UAString setting from Android to desktop.
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Actually I think about:debug only works in the Android browser. I think they Sense browser won't do that. At least that didn't work for me.
all you have to do is make Hulu think you're using a desktop browser, which can be done simply by entering "about:debug" in the address bar and switch
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Actually I think about:debug only works in the Android browser. I think they Sense browser won't do that. At least that didn't work for me.
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Sense browser will do that. Yes, hulu will load and even start to play sometimes, but I have not seen it actually play more than a second or two of video. I gave up after playing with it for a bit.
I really wish hulu would step up their game and jump on the mobile bandwagon like everyone else.
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Sense browser will do that. Yes, hulu will load and even start to play sometimes, but I have not seen it actually play more than a second or two of video. I gave up after playing with it for a bit.
I really wish hulu would step up their game and jump on the mobile bandwagon like everyone else.
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As far as I know, its not Hulu's fault. It's the licensing agreement(s) with content providers (NBC, Viacom, etc.) that doesn't allow mobile distribution. But I agree, they are only hurting themselves by not adapting to current demands, especially with big, beautiful devices such as the Evo 4g getting into the hands of consumers.
the about:debug setting has been disabled by hulu. you have to find another workaround. you'll find the solution in the xda section for the only device that currently has froyo
Anyone else give this a try? Design is one of the worst I've ever seen but tab swiping is smooth as silk.
Attach the xap if you have it, i'm curious
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Attach the xap if you have it, i'm curious
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http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/e76acaa3-759f-4e37-81e5-f43dea7a8e26
It's in the Marketplace.
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It's in the Marketplace.
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it's good for being in early stages.
How do they get away with calling this 'Chromium'? Don't think Google would be too happy.
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How do they get away with calling this 'Chromium'? Don't think Google would be too happy.
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Agree, it's really stupid or just a kind of "puffery". It's WebBrowser class (Pocket IE wrapper) based and far away from the real Chromium engine.
it's a good work
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http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/e76acaa3-759f-4e37-81e5-f43dea7a8e26
It's in the Marketplace.
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For i don't know what reason i couldn't find it from the phone, only when i searched the market form the desktop. But yeah, it works now.
First thing. The design is really poor, the page view area is small, the loading is pretty slow. But the worst thing is the keyboard that opens above some option buttons. If you type fast and without looking at the keyboard, you might push the buttons below instead of space. I know i did.
Second thing. I hate the name. It has nothing to do with Chromium.
Third thing. The swipe to switch tabs is interesting, but the way the tabs are displayed eats too much screen real estate.
Fourth thing. This are just my opinions.
good app for the development stage
please attache xap file here.
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Here is the XAP file - this is the latest build, I have not updated the marketplace version yet.
Still curious - why did you call your app "Chromium"?
P.S. BTW, better to move this thread to Windows Phone 7 Apps and Games, ask mods.
Renamed
It has been renamed to Kromi, app id is: eea60df6-faa9-4323-af06-774259cd6825
Not sure how to find it with the app id, but searching for Kromi yields no results...
The Internet Explorer is better than "Chromium".
It´s faster and looks better.
Please make it look better
Opera Mobile is nice and for me the only alternative
I think this app is in Bazaar now.
It's now bad for a beta, can fullscreen the browser to hide the weird tab interface, and tab switching is the best I have seen on WP7.
There is no bookmark or homepage setting as of yet though, and you cannot press to open context menu (such as open in new tab) but it's still one of the best WP7 browsers around
Is this the same as the one available in bazaar?
The tooltips you guys are using here make this site nearly impossible to use.
Every time I visit the site from a desktop browser I am barraged by tooltips; tooltips that usually cover the link I'm trying to either read or click.
A 'workaround' is to mouse out to another area where the current tooltip will disappear or another tooltip will pop up elsewhere, then mouse back down purposefully to a location where (due to experience) I know the tooltip won't cover the link I'm trying to get at.
A website's navigation should never require workarounds.
Browsers used: Chrome/Win7, Chromium/Linux.
The tooltips don't seem to exist in IE (9,10)
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The tooltips you guys are using here make this site nearly impossible to use.
Every time I visit the site from a desktop browser I am barraged by tooltips; tooltips that usually cover the link I'm trying to either read or click.
A 'workaround' is to mouse out to another area where the current tooltip will disappear or another tooltip will pop up elsewhere, then mouse back down purposefully to a location where (due to experience) I know the tooltip won't cover the link I'm trying to get at.
A website's navigation should never require workarounds.
Browsers used: Chrome/Win7, Chromium/Linux.
The tooltips don't seem to exist in IE (9,10)
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i don't get any tooltip here... where do you get them precisely?
No tooltips here either, except in the threadlist overview (forumdisplay.php) where I get the first few lines of the first message in a small box under the cursor, when I hover over a thread with the mouse.
Edit: Can you give an example?
I'm guessing he's talking about the topic preview tooltips (hover your mouse over a thread in the list). I personally don't use the mouse (pentadactyl /o/) much so I just noticed them.
I don't know about Chrome, but in Firefox you can just toggle browser.chrome.toolbar_tips to false in about:config.
You can also try this tiny userstyle if you want (use Stylish, it's available for all decent browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Opera and some more)):
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tooltip * {display: none !important;}
Both solutions are global and not site specific.
I've encountered page load problems and was hoping someone had similar experiences and could offer some pointers. the device is an Asus T100 running Windows 8.1 w/ IE11. I'm experience never-ending load times when swiping back to a previous page from the current page. I'll get the index portion of the page to load, but the ads on the right hand side of the screen usually just never reload, even after minutes of waiting, so I'm left with an essentially hung browser. I can successfully use Chrome or the FF beta to navigate, but I actually kind of like IE11 on the tablet so would prefer to use it if I could. Thanks in advance for any tips you could share!
The same problem for me, only using IE11 ( Ok with Chrome).
Any clue or solution ?
@bitpushr
Thanks for the heads up - will investigate.
This thread just appears as a flashing black screen, others have the left hand side covered by a floating block - containing ads I think.
Ok in Chrome.