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i mean, i want a phone later on this year that has all of the above. ideally, a 4.7" screen with a 1280x720 res, SAMOLED screen, dual core, tegra2 gpu and so on.
all the above minus the higher res wouldn't be enough of an upgrade imo.
so, any higher res phones coming out? even the optimus x2 has the same res as my desire
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i mean, i want a phone later on this year that has all of the above. ideally, a 4.7" screen with a 1280x720 res, SAMOLED screen, dual core, tegra2 gpu and so on.
all the above minus the higher res wouldn't be enough of an upgrade imo.
so, any higher res phones coming out? even the optimus x2 has the same res as my desire
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i doubt it, the next logical step would be for an xvga device, (1024x768) but ive never heard of one. maybe you will find one with a higher dpi, like the retina display on iphones
that's it, i want a higher res display but can't get an iphone
You have to wait.
well, my contract's not up till november so hopefully someone out there(looking at LG, they seem to be pushing hard to be successful in this area now) will decide to tick off 'higher res' to add it to a 'better than the iphone 4' list
Motorola just unveiled Atrix 4G on CES. Phone is coming to AT&T and it has 540 x 960 (qHD) resolution.
And other specs also sounds nice - dual-core processor, 1GB of RAM, 1930mAh battery...
Dual core phones are right around the corner, they'll be here before November. However you won't find a phone with a 4.7 inch screen. The biggest will be the size of the Desire HD. The market isn't really big enough for phone companies to bring out a lot of massive phones and people are happy with the size they are now.
Look out for the PS phone, i think thats a 4" dual core phone. Lots of leaks on it.
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Dual core phones are right around the corner, they'll be here before November. However you won't find a phone with a 4.7 inch screen. The biggest will be the size of the Desire HD. The market isn't really big enough for phone companies to bring out a lot of massive phones and people are happy with the size they are now.
Look out for the PS phone, i think thats a 4" dual core phone. Lots of leaks on it.
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NO NO NO NO NO, just looking a the PS Phone makes me think back to the nokia N Gage , plus only 24 fps in neocore lol this year is going to be all about the nvida tegra II
I was wondering when this subject might finally come up here. In spite of the current trend for flagship phones to become bigger than ever, I still think the sweet spot is somewhere between 3.5" and 4.0". I wouldn't buy anything bigger for the full retail price - I'll buy a 10" tablet and a 13" to 15" laptop instead.
Ridiculously enough we're seing 800x480 pixels anywhere, stretched up to 5.0" and even more - and they call that HD (I mean: HTC Desire HD & HTC HD2 for example. Both great devices, but come on! You call that HD?). I don't want bigger screens; I want higher DPI and superior image quality! I said the next phone I'll buy would be 3.7" device with 1280x768 pixels (that would be the next logical step for Android super phones after the iPhone 4: same aspect ratio as before but 2.5x as many pixels and HD ready for real) but it looks like I'll have to wait a long time.
Somebody please tell HTC to produce something like that. I'll buy it instantly
4.7"?? That is hugeeee.
not for me, used to holding something large in my hand
anyhoo, i tried the dell streak and found that comfortable so a 5" phone would do me tbh
Dualcored proc, at least 1.5GB internal memory, independent GPU, at least 1GB RAM, micro SDCard slot, HDMI output, 2 Cameras, flash light, better battery life, etc. etc.
Those are the specs I hope for my next android smartphone....but 4.7 inch screen is not for me...Desire HD is already a bit too big (4.3").
Dell Streak and Galaxy Tab, I hate 'em...it is just too huge for a phone
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On top of the above specs. The radio needs to be wcdma or 3g over all 5 bands. That is the only iPhone 4 feature that impressed me.
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I don't think that right now there is a smartphone way better than HTC Desire,so I don't see a good reason to upgrade.I'm also willing to change it.I guess we will have to wait and maybe in the summer there will be one with something like thisual-core Quallcomm with Adreno 3xx,1Gb RAM,8-16 internal memory+microsd card,front-facing camera,better battery life etc.As for the display,the one on the Desire is ok for me,I never had quality problems,and it's size is perfect(Desire HD is way too big for me,I can't hold it firmly in my hand).Overall,I don't think all these are needed,the Desire doesn't have any lag(except the latest games like Dungeon Defenders),but if they are not present then I wouldn't justify an upgrade.
Btw,tegra 2 is not a gpu,it's a dual core cpu
tegra is a gpu solution but uses a A9 cpu along with it I believe its a standard that nvidia has set to be used with their gpu
It makes no sense for nvidia to make a cpu they are a gpu company
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Motorola Atrix, will have a besster resolution. looks very interessting. also with the laptopdock. htc doesnt have anytings in this class.
I plan to buy xperia play possibly this week or next month.
But im afraid there will be a new xperia play coming soon with higher specs.
Or there will be no xperia play 2?
I doubt it though because there already a quad core phones in the market
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i would like a quad core processor tegra 3 clocked maybe at 2ghz , at least 1 gb of dual channel ram, a 720p display, better backlight and 12 mega pixel camera
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I'm thinking xperia play 2 is 6 months to 1 year away. If you can wait that long for a new phone, then I would. Otherwise you'll get major phone envy when a new one comes out and you aren't due for an upgrade for another year past that.
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i would like a quad core processor tegra 3 clocked maybe at 2ghz , at least 1 gb of dual channel ram, a 720p display, better backlight and 12 mega pixel camera
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You wish that to be on xperia play 2? That would be beast
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I'm thinking xperia play 2 is 6 months to 1 year away. If you can wait that long for a new phone, then I would. Otherwise you'll get major phone envy when a new one comes out and you aren't due for an upgrade for another year past that.
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Lets see. But I'd probably wait.
What do you guys think? Is xperia play still worth to buy this year?
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Lets see. But I'd probably wait.
What do you guys think? Is xperia play still worth to buy this year?
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I bougth mine this year, abou 1,5 ago and i´m very pleased with my decision.
Got mine in August and still love it to this day
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I don't care about the specs as long as they put in a bigger battery and fix the defect in the slider design.
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i think that the new play shud have better specs than present play cuz really when i saw this phone i expected better graphics nothing else but graphics i saw that either an ipod touch has better graphics than a play or gameloft jus isnt trying for android
S4pro chipset would be best, dualcore krait with adreno 320. However i think it will probably be standard S4.
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i think that the new play shud have better specs than present play cuz really when i saw this phone i expected better graphics nothing else but graphics i saw that either an ipod touch has better graphics than a play or gameloft jus isnt trying for android
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i'm pretty sure gameloft doesn't care about android.
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i'm pretty sure gameloft doesn't care about android.
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Gameloft cares about whatever gives them the most money, which is iOS.
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i think that the new play shud have better specs than present play cuz really when i saw this phone i expected better graphics nothing else but graphics i saw that either an ipod touch has better graphics than a play or gameloft jus isnt trying for android
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agreed. playing around with ipad 3 today and the graphics are like super hd
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Gameloft cares about whatever gives them the most money, which is iOS.
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enough said.
im currently using an xperia mini pro and the specs are nearly the same as play except it has smaller screen. i noticed there are many android games lag on my mini pro therefore so does the play correct?
so my point is, should i wait for a new play comes out probably a dual core processor is enought at least ir should i just buy it cos there will be no xperia play 2 this year at least???
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enough said.
im currently using an xperia mini pro and the specs are nearly the same as play except it has smaller screen. i noticed there are many android games lag on my mini pro therefore so does the play correct?
so my point is, should i wait for a new play comes out probably a dual core processor is enought at least ir should i just buy it cos there will be no xperia play 2 this year at least???
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Well, my new phone is dual-core and a lot of games perform just the same as on the play. Some are even worse. I think it depends heavily on the developers and the game itself.
The problem is that Android games in general aren't written in a very efficient way, and aren't optimized well for a wide enough range of phones. Some games run better on Qualcomm, some better on Samsung chips.. Nothing seems to be optimized across the board from what I've seen.
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i would really like to see a new Xplay be released from sony
sony ericsson really dissapointed me with the Xplay they brought out
If they're smart, they won't touch the resolution, because they should be keen enough to figure out that changing the resolution would compromise and sacrifice from the 300+ games Xperia Play already has under it's belt.
With Xperia Play already running everything buttery-smooth on it's 1GHz snapdragon, dual-core/quad-core isn't really necessary... but we all know that media outlets will assure it's publicly DOA with idiotic conjectures about how it'll be behind the curve at launch if they don't (if only the general public could see how well Xperia Play keeps up with the *beasts* like SGS2 in Android's highest-end games)... so might as well slam a spec-whore processor in there to shut them up.
Doubling or quadrupling the RAM wouldn't hurt as long as they keep their focus on quality over quantity as highly as they did by choosing the ELPIDA chip they chose this time around, and doing something about that absolutely puny internal storage would definitely aid us in the combat against Gameloft's phone storage-whoring bastards.
Otherwise, nothing should change. Bump up what needs to be bumped up without compromising what they've established.
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If they're smart, they won't touch the resolution, because they should be keen enough to figure out that changing the resolution would compromise and sacrifice from the 300+ games Xperia Play already has under it's belt.
With Xperia Play already running everything buttery-smooth on it's 1GHz snapdragon, dual-core/quad-core isn't really necessary... but we all know that media outlets will assure it's publicly DOA with idiotic conjectures about how it'll be behind the curve at launch if they don't (if only the general public could see how well Xperia Play keeps up with the *beasts* like SGS2 in Android's highest-end games)... so might as well slam a spec-whore processor in there to shut them up.
Doubling or quadrupling the RAM wouldn't hurt as long as they keep their focus on quality over quantity as highly as they did by choosing the ELPIDA chip they chose this time around, and doing something about that absolutely puny internal storage would definitely aid us in the combat against Gameloft's phone storage-whoring bastards.
Otherwise, nothing should change. Bump up what needs to be bumped up without compromising what they've established.
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It would be interesting if they did a retina display-esque exact double of the current resolution though
The display should be 720p at least, yes, it will probably break a few games, but the benefits far outweigh the cost, most of those apps will be updated for 720p, or should have been written in a way to upscale to begin with. Hardware will likely be S4 or S4pro from what I can see from Sony so far and would be a good choice in keeping compatibility with current titles.
TLR whilst your steadfast resolve in defence of the plays specs is very admirable, and I would echo them myself on occasion, updating the plays specs is a must, Sony themselves have said that they had to do a lot of rework on ics to run on phones with such low ram, whilst the play might be able to run current gen games fine, it wont have a chance at many future upcoming titles, ive played gta3 on a sgs2, ...whilst the controls are terrible, theres a massive difference in overall performance.
Most of these games run well on the play to begin with because they were built with the sgs/xplay 1ghz single core cpu/gpu in mind, because they comprise a large portion of the market, that wont be the case in 6 months, soon these phones will be relegated to the low end, and just like pcs, your phone will be too obsolete to run the current games. I havent seen any games made yet that really push the sgs2 or even higher end phones to anywhere near their potential.
Also, i would be quite happy to see the occasional lag and force kills of running apps disappear. I do agree that they need to continue the good work they have done so far, the form factor and controls are good, expandable memory, removable battery, all that jaz, all I could really ask for is proper analog sticks and larger/better positioned volume up/down for gaming doubleduty.
The pixel XI and the pixel are packed with snadragon 821 chipset wich supposed to be clocked at 2*2.35 kryo & 2*2.0 kryo but both pixel phones are clocked at 2*2.15 kryo & 2*1.6 Kryo which is exactly the same as SD820 on Lg G5 and the s7 so if someone knows what is the difference between the cpu in the pixel phones and the regular snapdragon 820 please write it down
From what I have read the 821 is a 820. The 821 is just higher binned 820. When they make chips they are not all the same. Some just are a little more efficient than others do to very minor differences in the chips. So a high binned 820 can handle a higher clock speed while using less power are turned into 821.
So Google decided they wanted to go with the 821 because it is more power efficient than a 820. But it seems Google thinks the speed of the 820 is fast enough to provide a good snappy user experience. So they are doubling down on efficiency by clocking these high binned chips down to the same as the 820. So say the 821 is 5% more efficient at stock speed over the 820. The 821 might be 10% more efficient at the same clock speed at the 820 while delivering the same speed as the 820. So they are sort of doubling down on efficiency over performance.
From the hands on I have seen everyone has described the phone as very fast. This is likely due to Google optimizing Android to run on the pixels hardware. Much like Apple does with the iPhone. Also the Pixel has some hardware features that might not show up on a regular spec sheet. It has some improved touch screen latency and faster storage. Because of these factors Google decided they don't need the extra performance of the 821 but instead want to utilize it's efficiency.
TLDR Google is going all in on the Pixel proving a very fast user experience while being power efficient!
So in theory once kernel source has been released we can just OC it back to "stock" frequency and get even faster performance with a hit to battery life.
I have the OP3 and the phone is clocking to max. frequency very rarely anyway. So there is no reason to clock it down for better efficiency.
So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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The smaller Pixel has the potential to out do both of those phones and the Pixel XL in gaming since it has a native resolution of 1080p. The lower the resolution, the higher frames per second possible in games when using the same SoC, assuming the game is made to run at your phones native resolution.
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So basically the pixel xl nd the pixel have snadragon 820 with a different name and better efficiency, as a result the gaming performance is the same as on the lg g5 or the s7 for example, these pixel devices arent worth the extra 200$
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In the current climate and with the 810 fiasco overshadowing can you really blame them for dialing it down? Perhaps the GPU is still clocked higher in the 821 and I'll take the efficiency as a perk. It's up to you what's worth $200 more but there are a few more bits less talked about included in the price.
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The smaller Pixel has the potential to out do both of those phones and the Pixel XL in gaming since it has a native resolution of 1080p. The lower the resolution, the higher frames per second possible in games when using the same SoC, assuming the game is made to run at your phones native resolution.
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I'd rather have 1080p at 60FPS than 2k at 30FPS on a screen that size, however I think most games, at least the big titles, have adjustable resolution so I think the only difference will be battery draw.
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I'd rather have 1080p at 60FPS than 2k at 30FPS on a screen that size, however I think most games, at least the big titles, have adjustable resolution so I think the only difference will be battery draw.
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I agree, I wasn't aware you could choose your resolution in mobile phone games as I don't really play demanding games on my phone, I assumed it was like mainstream game consoles where the developer predetermines the resolution or just sets it to use the native res by default.
I play games on PC, so it's pretty cool that you can change the resolution on mobile phone games like you can on PC games.
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I agree, I wasn't aware you could choose your resolution in mobile phone games as I don't really play demanding games on my phone, I assumed it was like mainstream game consoles where the developer predetermines the resolution or just sets it to use the native res by default.
I play games on PC, so it's pretty cool that you can change the resolution on mobile phone games like you can on PC games.
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As I understand it android has the capability and it's up to the devs to implement. The game can be rendered at whatever resolution and will then be upscaled. for example Warhammer Freeblade allows you to select which resolution to use and texture qualities just as you would in most PC games at the risk of losing frames however Need For Speed No Limits selects a pre-defined profile depending on device.
As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.
And that the 821 reaches a higher frequency doesn't automatically mean that the CPU has a higher quality. I know it would be possible that the 820s are only bad 821s that don't surpass quality tests but I don't think so because the 820 was released much earlier. Usually it goes the other way around, like on GPUs. Nvidia first releases the very high end models and then sells the crappy GPUs in the lower end models. I don't think that Qualcomm is like, hey we are picking out all really good 820s and pile them up to sell them as 821s... A 821 could be better and more efficient but it's not necessarily true. A good 820 could still be as good or even better than a 821, regarding effiency. Also think about AMD Processors a few years ago, whole cores where unlock able and there was still room for OC if you were lucky.
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As I said, underclocking doesn't automatically mean better effiency... If you would have a 820 phone you would know that. I experimented a lot with different CPU settings on my One Plus 3 and underclocking is not worth it because it only cuts of performance but does NOT increase effiency because your CPU is using max frequency like 1% of the runtime anyway... In more than two days 2,15 GHz on the big cluster was used only 49s on my OP3.
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When talking about efficiency I'm referring more to undervolting as appose to underclocking, it may be the case that they have chosen those frequencies because the 821 steps up in voltage beyond that point thus increasing power consumption and heat. We'll have to wait and see how the Pixel performs, but if that underclock means the thermal load is capped lower we will also see less throttling, ideal for daydream.
As an example I would refer to overclocking desktop CPUs, the architecture is different but how it responds to heat and power is not. beyond a certain frequency the CPU requires exponentially more power and generates exponentially more heat the higher you go.
http://m.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_xl_benchmark_doesnt_show_performance_improvement-news-20927.php
This benchmark proves to all those who insist that the chipset in the pixel phones is better than the original snadragon 820
It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.
But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.
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It might be only to reduce the heat. The battery efficiency is, IMO, very marginal.
But I will surely put back the 2.4GHz on mine.
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For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.
This seems a very big piece of marketing by Google. It isn't really an SD 821, its an SD820.
The 821 only has a 10% performance increase when clocked at its max frequency, so even if Google did leave it at its max frequency, a 10% increase would be barely noticeable, if noticeable at all in real world use.
The 821 does have some features that aren't available on the 820, which is why Google probably chose the 821 over the 820. I found this info about two important features for the 821, that's not found in the 820 and quoted it below.
"One of the main reason why Google used the Snapdragon 821 in the Pixel phones is the Snapdragon VR SDK (Software Development Kit). This is entirely unavailable with the Snapdragon 820. The new SDK comes with advanced VR toolset to give the developers broad access to the internal architecture of the Snapdragon 821 chipset. This is extremely useful and fully compatible with Google Daydream platform. The VR SDK helps in the rendering of cutting-edge visual and audio which helps in state of the art Virtual Reality experience."
"Another important thing which is unknown for most people is about the camera improvements brought by the MSM8996 Pro. The SoC can simultaneously use two phase detectors for significant improvement in focussing quality and time. On the contrary, the Snapdragon 820 or MSM8996 only supports single PDAF (Phase Detecting Auto Focus) systems. The newer chipset extends the range of laser autofocus technology. This will substantially boost the laser-assisted autofocus systems of upcoming smartphones."
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For some reason idont believe in overclocking, cuz it's beyond the device capabilities and it might cause some problems.
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That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.
Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.
That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full clock speeds without throttling...
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That is true from the chip standpoint. What you don't know, though, is if google/htc designed the heat removal system to handle the additional heat produced at full click speeds without throttling...
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The phone being a uni-body aluminium shell should help with that. My 5X gets mega hot when I run games or for extended screen on times, but the back is plastic. I think using the whole surface of the phone as an additional heat-sink so to speak could help with heat dissipation.
Either way - I hope someone tries to OC it back to "stock" qualcomm speeds. I will certainly try to see the results, that is, if custom kernels can be a thing with the Pixel.
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That's a very incorrect statement. The kernel determines the clock speed. Google could choose something like 0.5GHz if they were so inclined. The phone would run like ****, but in your eyes, the device is not "capable" of anything faster. It sounds like Google purposely underclocked these. If nothing else, you are absolutely 100% fine to clock it back to the speed that Qualcomm, the OEM of the chipset, intended it to run at. True overclocking can present problems, but I have overclocked my CPUs, RAM, and GPUs for YEARS with no issues and reaped plenty of extra benefits in terms of performance. I used to do it on my smartphones too, but it is pointless and wastes battery for almost every use scenario.
Google specifically chose 2.15GHz instead of 2.4GHz as specified by Qualcomm, either due to heat issues or battery life benefit. I am going to guess they realized that their incredibly light and optimized software does not need a 2.4GHz CPU speed - hell, my 6P is faster with a SD 810 than my Note7 with an 820 in day to day use for a reason, that reason being stock Android is incredibly quick and efficient.
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That's true i can't
Deny the power of stock android, but there are many other OEM custom skins that are well optimized and are plenty fast such as sense and Lg ux 5.0 and even the oxygen OS
One of my friend has the one+ 5t and was playing Sonic Dash, the rendering was so fast and so smooth, it looks like 60 fps, i tried the same game on my Honor 8 Pro as well but sadly, the frame rate was not as smooth and fast as the One+ 5t... it looks like around 30 - 40 fps on the Honor 8 Pro.
Is it a hardware limitation on the Honor 8 Pro ? (the game takes so much ressources that the hardware cannot follow) or, the game is not optimized for the Honor 8 Pro ? (the game doesn't explore all of the potential from the Honor 8 Pro's hardware).
Kirin chipset has always been about one step behind..
even when you compare with Exynos that uses Mali, Exynos chipset has got extra cores compared to Kirin.
but yes, sometimes it also requires optimisation from developers.
having said that, do remember than Kirin processor on the honor8Pro is kinda old. iirc, it's a chip that was launched at the end of 2016..
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One of my friend has the one+ 5t and was playing Sonic Dash, the rendering was so fast and so smooth, it looks like 60 fps, i tried the same game on my Honor 8 Pro as well but sadly, the frame rate was not as smooth and fast as the One+ 5t... it looks like around 30 - 40 fps on the Honor 8 Pro.
Is it a hardware limitation on the Honor 8 Pro ? (the game takes so much ressources that the hardware cannot follow) or, the game is not optimized for the Honor 8 Pro ? (the game doesn't explore all of the potential from the Honor 8 Pro's hardware).
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The biggest prick caused by 2k res screen. Once got oreo updated, change your screen res to 1080p, your good to go.
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The biggest prick caused by 2k res screen. Once got oreo updated, change your screen res to 1080p, your good to go.
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I tried already, it doesn't change anything unfortunately...
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The biggest prick caused by 2k res screen. Once got oreo updated, change your screen res to 1080p, your good to go.
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lolz... some ppl say that's one of the best features (many like high res)... but ya... this is one possible cause...
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I tried already, it doesn't change anything unfortunately...
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How u change it? U got oreo already? Or just use low resolution in battery settings?
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How u change it? U got oreo already? Or just use low resolution in battery settings?
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I have Oreo, and you can change resolution in battery settings, even though i can set resolution to low (HD or Full HD instead of 2k), it doesn't mean games' performances will increase a lot.
In Sonic Dash for example, whatever resolution i use, the frame rate is still low and bad...
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I have Oreo, and you can change resolution in battery settings, even though i can set resolution to low (HD or Full HD instead of 2k), it doesn't mean games' performances will increase a lot.
In Sonic Dash for example, whatever resolution i use, the frame rate is still low and bad...
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Then its the game fault cause dont optimise for our Mali GPU. As for other games i'm using, change res to 1080p definitely increase fps and become smoother.
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kirin 960 uses Mali g71- MP8 gpu instead bof the MP20 core version. That was a big mistake in my opinion. Samsung used MP20 in their Exynos which gives it a nice boost.
And also 2k resolution make it harder.
Lowering the resolution doesn't help as it is an IPS display rather than Amoled.
Besides optimisation sometimes does matter
Frame drops and Performance issue
This is a issue with all of the honor 8pro , there are lot of frame drops which are quite annoying and all the apps are not optimised . When I compared my honor 8pro with Moto X force which has Snapdragon 821 , all the apps in Moto X force
are buttery smooth which is very addictive and cool ,but my honor 8 pro even with this
Hi Silicon Kirin 960 it performs disgusting , there are frame drops and sometimes it sikps them ..... Disappointed with my purchase
Bad software optimisation, and worst part is rom development support is dead
On paper and benchmarks kirin 960 is a beast but when it comes to real world usage, the processor is sh*t. Too much frame drops, ui lags and glitches everywhere. I hate this phone and regret my decision to buy it over oneplus. No doubt that this processor is fast but its not smooth. When I compared general ui navigation, my zenfone was much smoother despite of having Snapdragon 625.
Recently I had speed test with my friend's Redmi note 4 and unexpectedly I lost against him in single pubg opening time by a margin of 10 seconds.
I was on pie sGSI ( I know that it lags but I thought that sd820 is enough powerful to beat sd 625 on any crappy software.)
This blown my mind and raised many questions.
1.how much does a software optimization is important in Android smartphones ??
2.software vs hardware which is more important ??
3.stock rom vs custom rom. Is it really beneficial to use custom ROMs ??
4.latest Android or stable 2 yrs old Android which is preferable ??
5.which is your favourite combination of rom for your zuk in performance ( here performance means without compromising heating and excessive battery drain) ??
6.how is stock Chinese zui ??
Please Reply With detailed experience.
Thanks.
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Who said SD820 is garbage......it's was the best SOC of the Qualcomm....in 2016
625 no match for 820's performance
625 is cheaper one
For best experience use Oxygen OS ports and best stable builds
It's not that hardware fault, it's abt software that no optimized OS is availbale for ZuK right now
Best to me is
Oxygen 5.0.4 (has bugs)
praveensm899 said:
Who said SD820 is garbage......it's was the best SOC of the Qualcomm....in 2016
625 no match for 820's performance
625 is cheaper one
For best experience use Oxygen OS ports and best stable builds
It's not that hardware fault, it's abt software that no optimized OS is availbale for ZuK right now
Best to me is
Oxygen 5.0.4 (has bugs)
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Another one. lol
Who said sd 820 is better than 625?
In terms of GPU, single core performance, yes.but sd625 having higher multicore performance ie 4200+ comared with the sd820's 3800+ which makes sd625 around 10% better in terms of CPU performance ( since most games/apps use multicore )
Pubg is a CPU intensive game rather than a GPU ( for eg asphalt 9) So it will perform better on sd625.
But 3800+ multicore score is enough for the phone to run Pubg. Our main enemy is heat. 5.5 inch rn4 having considerably larger surface area than our 5" zuk, convective heat transfer is good in rn4, so CPU won't be throttled. For normal use rn4 is better.
But where z2 shines is with it's GPU demanding apps ( compute score of 820 is more than double of sd625)
+ Xiaomi's ROMs are more optimised than zuk's stock/ custom roms
senthamizhan said:
Who said sd 820 is better than 625?
In terms of GPU, single core performance, yes.but sd625 having higher multicore performance ie 4200+ comared with the sd820's 3800+ which makes sd625 around 10% better in terms of CPU performance ( since most games/apps use multicore )
Pubg is a CPU intensive game rather than a GPU ( for eg asphalt 9) So it will perform better on sd625.
But 3800+ multicore score is enough for the phone to run Pubg. Our main enemy is heat. 5.5 inch rn4 having considerably larger surface area than our 5" zuk, convective heat transfer is good in rn4, so CPU won't be throttled. For normal use rn4 is better.
But where z2 shines is with it's GPU demanding apps ( compute score of 820 is more than double of sd625)
+ Xiaomi's ROMs are more optimised than zuk's stock/ custom roms
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Thanks for the explanation.
I thought that Qualcomm's ****ty 4 kryo cores are enough to beat 8 a53 cores.
Because of sd 820 all I can see is HD or High graphics options in games and you can't play it because of heating and battery consumption.
So sd 820 is a mid ranger now:laugh:
If you can balance out the cpu thermal throttling issue, then the sd820 beats out the sd625 in GPU demanding games like PUBGM, Asphalt 9. The sd625 will never come close to being able to run those 2 games on high settings. The sd625 on the other hand, have very consistent performance and basically never throttle
I personally would have chosen a sd625 device, but the prices of sd820 devices now is almost same as sd625 devices, so their performance being close is nothing special. sd820 is just a less crappy sd810, and I still remember saying sd820 is bad on this forum and have ppl told me Im crazy
LMAO
Hahaha, i can't do anything but laugh at this post. PUBG is highly unstable and poorly optimized, not only on mobile but also on PC. It's a game in open beta. Try playing a better game. I've been playing world of tanks for almost 3 years now. World of tanks was pretty unstable when i started playing it, but now its super stable and zuk z2 runs it on 1080p 60fps without breaking a sweat, even at high graphics (i play on medium to save battery). And all my friends who play on SD400+ or SD600+ struggle to play even on low graphics and can hardly cross 40 fps. So, pubg is not a standard to measure device performance. Plus, why the hell are you running Android P. Try a stable non-treble oreo ROM (like nitrogen OS or dotOS 2.3.1 or cardinal-AOSP) and you will feel the difference. Using a custom ROM doesn't mean that you can always stay on latest firmware and you will get outstanding performance. Custom ROM means that you can find yourself a perfect combination of ROM, kernel and tweaks that suits your demands. For example, until July i was using miju12's citrus 3.5 based on nougat(September 2017 build), because oreo ROMs were not good enough. Still, I don't use treble enabled ROMs or Android P GSIs because simply, they're not stable enough and they don't utilize the full potential of SD820. Also, software benchmarks can't tell you real world performance (ex, citrus 3.5 doesn't have the best benchmark scores, but it was the best nougat ROM for 3D gaming).
Conclusion: Staying on latest software doesn't mean you will get best performance. Even Google is not sure if Treble and Android P GSI system will succeed or not. The goal of treble tech is to update all oreo devices to Pie by the end of 2018. If doesn't happen, treble and pie are a failure.
PS: I also play PUBG. Using Nitrogen OS. Disable battery optimization. Play on smooth/balanced graphics and medium/ high fps. On HD, there's too much heating and the CPU will throttle. Due to glass body and small size, z2 has poor heat dissipation. If you know how to tweak your device, its no problem playing PUBG. Better game loading time on RN4 is due to utilization of newer memory channels. But, i know that on balanced and HD graphics, RN4 can't hit even 10 fps.
There are some limitations in design of z2, but remember that its cheaper than RN4 and is better in every aspect.
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Hahaha, i can't do anything but laugh at this post. PUBG is highly unstable and poorly optimized, not only on mobile but also on PC. It's a game in open beta. Try playing a better game. I've been playing world of tanks for almost 3 years now. World of tanks was pretty unstable when i started playing it, but now its super stable and zuk z2 runs it on 1080p 60fps without breaking a sweat, even at high graphics (i play on medium to save battery). And all my friends who play on SD400+ or SD600+ struggle to play even on low graphics and can hardly cross 40 fps. So, pubg is not a standard to measure device performance. Plus, why the hell are you running Android P. Try a stable non-treble oreo ROM (like nitrogen OS or dotOS 2.3.1 or cardinal-AOSP) and you will feel the difference. Using a custom ROM doesn't mean that you can always stay on latest firmware and you will get outstanding performance. Custom ROM means that you can find yourself a perfect combination of ROM, kernel and tweaks that suits your demands. For example, until July i was using miju12's citrus 3.5 based on nougat(September 2017 build), because oreo ROMs were not good enough. Still, I don't use treble enabled ROMs or Android P GSIs because simply, they're not stable enough and they don't utilize the full potential of SD820. Also, software benchmarks can't tell you real world performance (ex, citrus 3.5 doesn't have the best benchmark scores, but it was the best nougat ROM for 3D gaming).
Conclusion: Staying on latest software doesn't mean you will get best performance. Even Google is not sure if Treble and Android P GSI system will succeed or not. The goal of treble tech is to update all oreo devices to Pie by the end of 2018. If doesn't happen, treble and pie are a failure.
PS: I also play PUBG. Using Nitrogen OS. Disable battery optimization. Play on smooth/balanced graphics and medium/ high fps. On HD, there's too much heating and the CPU will throttle. Due to glass body and small size, z2 has poor heat dissipation. If you know how to tweak your device, its no problem playing PUBG. Better game loading time on RN4 is due to utilization of newer memory channels. But, i know that on balanced and HD graphics, RN4 can't hit even 10 fps.
There are some limitations in design of z2, but remember that its cheaper than RN4 and is better in every aspect.
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And I agree with everything you said.
The performance you get on emulators on 625 is laughable compared to what you get on 820. I don't ever these guys are on about; 625 doesn't stand a chance against 820
as someone who had sd820 and sd625, my conclusion is sd625 is battery optimized with balanced performance, suitable for long term use. while sd820 excel in performance, it depends on the termal & kernel setting, cause sd820 heat a lot when used heavily (gaming or video processing), if by any chance zuk z2 had a better cooling system (like the new liquid cooling system) i think it could easily beat sd625. what make sd820 nor fully optimized was it heat, then the thermal config tried to cool it, which disturb the hardware performance.
simply said, sd820 can reach the top of the wall, but can't hang on too long. while sd625 can only reach half of the wall, but it can hang in to it as long as it want. in a battle of endurance, i would pick sd625
There's a reason for SD820 being a flagship series SoC and SD625 being a mid-range SoC. All this debate for a trash game like PUBG, lmao. If the kryo cores on 820 are inferior to a53 cores on 625, why is qualcomm using it in SD660, the latest in 600+ series. Anyways, I'm more than happy that i bought z2 over any 600 series phone. Good luck with your SD625, noobs. Again, I can't stop laughing...
brother_mouzone said:
There's a reason for SD820 being a flagship series SoC and SD625 being a mid-range SoC. All this debate for a trash game like PUBG, lmao. If the kryo cores on 820 are inferior to a53 cores on 625, why is qualcomm using it in SD660, the latest in 600+ series. Anyways, I'm more than happy that i bought z2 over any 600 series phone. Good luck with your SD625, noobs. Again, I can't stop laughing...
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You do realize that you're on the z2+ forum, where most ppl is using it right?
The phone & SoC has flaws, no one can deny that. It just happen to suit your use case, doesn't mean it does so for everyone
It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
brother_mouzone said:
It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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I Highly suggest everyone to read the whole post and then comment.
I know that sd 820 is better,
that's why I chose z2 and not rn4 and that's why I'm here in z2 plus forum.
Don't be rude and respect everyone.
If you got overflow of knowledge then spit it anywhere else.
Hope you understood.
Samirmathakiya said:
I Highly suggest everyone to read the whole post and then comment.
I know that sd 820 is better,
that's why I chose z2 and not rn4 and that's why I'm here in z2 plus forum.
Don't be rude and respect everyone.
If you got overflow of knowledge then spit it anywhere else.
Hope you understood.
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I suggest you to read the z2 forum carefully. Solution for all your peoblems is there.
Thanks and if you don't have answers Then stay away.
brother_mouzone said:
It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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Share the link for the metal back panel please!
Samirmathakiya said:
Thanks and if you don't have answers Then stay away.
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LOL
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underworld_king said:
Share the link for the metal back panel please!
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http://s.aliexpress.com/nMFzaUri?fromSns=Copy to Clipboard
It says glass panel but see the description, material used is metal.
n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Maybe its badluck for you! i have played pubg on highest setting with 30-40 fps and tempreture under 45C. hardware does matter. and so does software optimization. both go hand in hand
n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Lol for u bro
I guess ur one crazy redmi note 4 fanboi or maybe not
But anyways
My z2 every time wins against my friends redmi note 4 in terms of pubg that to I play on 1080p med settings, his on low settings
As ppl earlier said pubg is not well optimised
U say u have tried all ROMs
Having big appload or not letting the ROM to settle or frequently changing roms and some impatience leads to these kinds of moronic conclusions
I guess u haven't tried ROMs like OOS miui cardinal nitrogen
Not to exclude jaguar bootleggers
Even on zui it better than redmi note 4
Except rros old builds coz their speeds aren't that good
As far as sd820 is concerned
My god bro u haven't heard of op3t phone I guess
I played on 1080p high settings no lag whatsoever
It even crushes zuk z2