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[Q] any good?

is this phone any good? how does it fare up against the iphone 4?

Android can do everything the iPhone 4 can't do, and the Xperia play has a larger screen, Gamepad, and what not?

thanks but i would prefer a more in-depth answer as to why and also if its a good phone or not (and why). thanks

KindaUndisputed said:
i would prefer a more in-depth answer as to why and also if its a good phone or not (and why). thanks
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Well I have a video review,
...a "How is it after 2 months?" session to see if it's quality stays consistent,
...as well as a COMPLETE written review.
http://verytechnical.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/sony-ericsson-xperia-play-4g-review/
That in-depth enough for ya?
EDIT: Long story short, you can find a handheld gaming system that handles tactile, portable gaming nicely, but they always fall short for... pretty much all of those non-game functions users over 14 need. You can find a lot of smartphones that handle all those necessities, but the touch controls are horrid, and every other physical controller option violates the "fearsome foursome" of external controller flaws; including that none of them aside from the Xperia PLAY have a lot of compatible games - SixAxis, ZeeMote, iControlPad, Gametel, BGP100...
...all of them fall flat on their ass when you start looking for something more than old emulated stuff. Xperia PLAY kicks ass as an emulator, but it's the only truly versatile smartphone with physical controls with the matching support of over 200 non-emulated games. There's no other device on the market that can hold the claim that well.
This is all from someone who came from 4th Gen idevices BTW. In comparison, its beat iOS at everything from media to games

Okay hardware wise they're almost the same.
1ghz CPU
512mb ram
5mp camera.
Adreno205 gpu to the sgx535
Apps will run similarly.
Okay better with iPhone :
The gorgeous hi res retina screen.
The app store
Smooth ui
Availability of apps.
Music, even though people might say otherwise.
Internal space.
Gyroscope
Better with xplay:
4 inch screen.
The ps controls
The exclusive apps
The Dlna
The PRICE
Audio feedback (xloud)
Image quality (with bravia engine )
The modding possibilities
WiFi hotspot (tethering)
A good forum
Price of apps.
Upgradeable memory (up to god knows how much with sdxc) lets say 64
Common peripherals ,ie Micro USB. So they're cheap if you misplace your charger etc.
Upcoming ics upgrade .
Upcoming PlayStation suite .
Current ps1 games .
Emulator possibilities.
Both are very good devices but unless if you were like me, a gamer, go for the iPhone .
The bads:
IPhone :
Heavily overpriced.
Not very revolutionary .
Overhyped apple product.(internals are the same as 3gs )
Relatively heavy.
Overshadowed by 4s .(last year's product)
Xplay:
Depreciation (not if you bought for like a £100)
Android ui (sorry guys spoilt by windows phone xD)
Weight 169 grams (if you're not a gamer you don't need this weight)
Lacklustre( maybe a bit overhyped too - so far but the upcoming months look really good imho)
But I still love my xplay, as I loved my omnia 7. May I recommend the ray if youre not into gaming and would like a good device .
My gf has a 4s and honestly, if you're gonna buy a new iPhone 4 save a bit more and buy the 4s instead .
Hope that helped.
Cheers
from tapatalk on xperia play.

Since buying an Xperia PLAY a couple of months ago, my old iPhone 4 hasn't seen the light of day and has been hiding in my draw since.
When I hold and use my PLAY, I know I'm holding a phone that was made especially for me. It's got:
- A nicely sized screen.
- Probably the best pair of speakers I've ever seen on a phone.
- Good battery life if treated well.
- That "WOW!" factor.
- 720p recording now.
- Great emulation performance.
- Can play pretty much all PS1 games using the likes of psxperia, FPSE and psx4droid.
- A large number of exclusive games.
- Is moddable and is a dream to run after rooting device.
I won't be buying another phone from here on unless it's a Sony gaming device running on Android.
I just love it when family come over in the holidays rocking up with their iPhone 4 and 4S thinking they have the best phone on the market. While they're talking to Siri asking for the weather, I'm having good fun playing Crash Bash with psxperia with a real game pad and at full speed.

KindaUndisputed said:
is this phone any good? how does it fare up against the iphone 4?
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The iPhone whether 4 or 3 or 6 is garbage , CNET and other hi-tech media mention it , IOS is the less customizable less user friendly .... I could go on. Best to actually compare it to a droid razr or galaxy s2 than any iPhone lol.
Sent from my R800i using xda premium

amansth said:
Android ui (sorry guys spoilt by windows phone xD)
But I still love my xplay, as I loved my omnia 7.
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Have you tried out Launcher7 on the XPlay... Gives you that WP7 look and feel (at least for the launcher)... Ubermusic gives you a zune-style music player...
The biggest draw of any Android device over any of the other major platforms is customization. If you put the time and energy into it you can make Android do anything you want it to.

Plus this phone can take a bit of a drop and still be good the i phone will just shatter
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Weudel said:
Have you tried out Launcher7 on the XPlay... Gives you that WP7 look and feel (at least for the launcher)... Ubermusic gives you a zune-style music player...
The biggest draw of any Android device over any of the other major platforms is customization. If you put the time and energy into it you can make Android do anything you want it to.
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Yeah but launcher 7 isn't as smooth. Nothing is as smooth as windows phone. 7 no offense
from tapatalk on xperia play.

Hmm. Stock launcher on r800i I.e mine is as smooth if not smoother , I used to be a WM5 , 6, 6.5 addict. Including 7 , but ... No WM7's launcher or WP7 ISN'T the king.
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thanks for all the help guys! i would like a good phone but also be able to play games as well (maybe not extensively but i imagine i would use the pad a lot) would you say this is the phone for me or should i get another phone but stick to touchscreen controls? reviews are quite varied, some say its great and others say thats its great only for gaming? could anyone clarify briefly please?
*at the time of posting i have not watched nor read the reviews posted by "TLRtheory" so please excuse me if this was mentioned in one of them*

I recently got an iphone to try since i hear these things organize peoples lives,then got sick of it after i jailbroke it, being on android all these years i felt it was inconvenient just to make ringtones,text tones and with its limited format, then i found out im stuck with that square front page so i gave it to my brother.
then i brought a play, i played it for a few days then placed a listing online to sell it, then pulled out a few days after because i would waste more money getting something better like a Samsung s2
this phone is great it gets used alot more than any cellphone i had, while im waiting around or in public i can just burn some time and play.
At first it wasn't a great phone but then got root uninstaller to disable alot of the services i dont need.
the controls really make this phone worth it, i had sold my psp and missed all those old games, touchscreen controls never went far for me, i couldn't imagine clocking castlevania or many nes roms with it.

There is only one thing this phone can do better than any other: playing games. If you don't see yourself doing that often, you're better off with other options. Buying a Xperia Play is like crossing the Rubicon, as it makes a statement about yourself.

It depends, men are from android and women are from ios.

Well I will be playing games often but I just want to know if it is a good overall PHONE regardless of gaming. I currently have the ZTE blade so maybe that will tell you something..
Sent from my Blade using XDA App

As an overall phone, it's just as good as a Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Desire S or any mid high end Android device: very fluid movement of the UI, so-so camera... It will be a fairly substantial improvement from the Blade, though that's a fantastic device btw. As a phone, it's bulky, but it has a remarkably good external speaker for music, packs a decent battery and the screen has a nice resolution (higher dpi than the blade).

I came from the Blade and find the Play super. Only cost me €7 more then the Blade too. Its a great phone if you can get it cheap.
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Logseman said:
As an overall phone, it's just as good as a Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Desire S or any mid high end Android device: very fluid movement of the UI, so-so camera... It will be a fairly substantial improvement from the Blade, though that's a fantastic device btw. As a phone, it's bulky, but it has a remarkably good external speaker for music, packs a decent battery and the screen has a nice resolution (higher dpi than the blade).
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Agree with all that, but the DPI is actually lower. Not noticable mind

So is it significantly better than the blade?
I appreciate the answers by the way
Sent from my Blade using XDA App

And what is better about it ?
and what sets it apart from basically being a psp, basically how would you convince someone that it's more than just a psp?
Thanks in advance
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[Q] To tab pro 8.4 users.

I'm thinking about getting a tab pro 8.4 WiFi only (320) and have a few questions.
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
3- is web browsing smooth?
4- is 2 gb ram sufficient? Are there too many redraws?
5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
I couldn't find conclusive answers to these on the web and hopefully this will help future buyers. (including me )

Hamza Murad said:
I'm thinking about getting a tab pro 8.4 WiFi only (320) and have a few questions.
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
3- is web browsing smooth?
4- is 2 gb ram sufficient? Are there too many redraws?
5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
I couldn't find conclusive answers to these on the web and hopefully this will help future buyers. (including me )[/QUOTE)
Have had the 8.4 pro for a couple months now and I can attest to the fact that it is a nice tablet. Screen is fantastic and performance is smooth. Gets great wifi signal in my house which has concrete walls that make it difficult to get signal for most devices. Only real problem I have with it is the android experience overall on the tablet. Many apps display stretched versions of phone apps (twitter, mlb at bat, etc) and web browsing could be better.
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@bkerk25
Could you do me a flavour?
Download asphalt 8 and run it on the maximum graphical settings and tell me if it is smooth enough.
Ps. Use mentions @[Username]

Hamza Murad said:
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
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Its not the kind of thing where it locks up the device for a significant amount of time (seconds or even 1 second) but just a lack of general fluidity (split seconds of lag) within TouchWiz itself (not within 3rd party apps) when swiping through home screens,going back and forth to app drawer, etc. Really not the type of thing we should be seeing at this point with higher-end Android devices. So while disappointing, many folks are probably fine with it. Me on the other hand, got tired of it after a couple months, rooted and flashed a CM-based custom ROM, and much happier with the fluidity now.
Hamza Murad said:
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
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If you are asking such questions about gaming and RAM, I have trouble believing you will be satisfied with any device for a "few" years. Maybe 2 years tops. But really the best you can do is by the best tablet you can afford (and the Pro 8.4 is a great contender) and hope for the best in terms of it being "future proof".
I'm not much of a gamer, so I can't help you much here, unfortunately.
Hamza Murad said:
3- is web browsing smooth?
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I would say yes.
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5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
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I have had no issue with WiFi. The Pro 8.4 has as good or slightly better WiFi reception as other Android devices I've used. I use my Pro 8.4 on my back porch, with my WiFi router being in the front of the house and on the 2nd floor.
Hamza Murad said:
6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
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I had a minor issue with the battery meter sometimes not displaying properly after a charge. It would still read something like 50 or 60% when I had been charging it for long enough to be full. After a reboot, it would read 100%. Happened fairly occasionally, maybe once a week or a couple times a week. Others have noted similar issues.
This seems to be software based, as I haven't encountered this on my current CM ROM. And possibly this has been fixed in newer stock software.
Nothing else I've noticed since owning the tablet since April.
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7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
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Subjective. I'm used to LCDs, so the blacks are dark enough to me, and the colors look realistically vivid. If you are coming from AMOLED, you might feel differently. An LCD will never going to meet the infinite contrast ratio of AMOLED.

@redpoint73
Thankyou.
I should have termed it better. I didn't mean lag but delay and lack of fluidness. You phrased it perfectly.
Like you said, other than the tegra k1 sheild I doubt that any device is "future proof". What I meant was that if it is capable of running modern games maxed out. Obviously better games with higher demands will come but for the moment this will probably be sufficient. What worries me is the resolution. It's far greater than 1080p and I was worried if the adreno could handle games as they grew more demanding.
The contrast on my xperia P is terrible ( whites are 900 nits. Figure the blacks.) and at the moment any display would look darker. As this is my first tablet I didn't have anything good to compare it to (other than an android 1.5 tablet ). So I hoped that someone with past experience could tell me better.

Hamza Murad said:
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I should have termed it better. I didn't mean lag but delay and lack of fluidness. You phrased it perfectly.
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"Lag" is as good a term of it as any. I just wanted to clarify to anyone that has not witnessed it firsthand, it just a lack of fluidity, and not like you are staring at screens loading for seconds on end, or anything like that.

@redpoint73
I pretty much expected that. One more question. How long does is take for the screen to turn on after pressing the power button?
My father owns a galaxy s3 and turning on the screen takes about 2 seconds. On my xperia P it's instant. I'm guessing it's something to do with touchwiz.

Hamza Murad said:
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My father owns a galaxy s3 and turning on the screen takes about 2 seconds. On my xperia P it's instant. I'm guessing it's something to do with touchwiz.[/QUOTE]
Actually seemed pretty instantaneous on TouchWiz. I've been on CM for a few weeks now, so that's just by memory. Actually, its a bit slower on CM, but still not 2 seconds. Maybe 1 second.
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Hamza Murad said:
I'm thinking about getting a tab pro 8.4 WiFi only (320) and have a few questions.
1-just how laggy is touchwiz. This is my first samsung and have no experience with touchwiz. Does the general ui lag when switching between homescreen pages or moving through apps.
2- does resolution greatly affect the graphic performance. My existing phone (xperia P) can't handle heavy game's or websites. I need to know if the gpu is any good or not. Does it run dead trigger 2 on ultra high smoothly or asphalt 8 maxed out smoothly?
I need something to last me a few years.
3- is web browsing smooth?
4- is 2 gb ram sufficient? Are there too many redraws?
5- how bad are the WiFi signal drops. I live in a small apartment so this does not matter much.
6- any other flaws I should be worried about? Over heating etc.
7- is the contrast ratio acceptable? Blacks dark enough?
I couldn't find conclusive answers to these on the web and hopefully this will help future buyers. (including me )
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1) The first TW was soo laggy but it did two updates and seems okay now but I still plan to root/get CM11
3) Web browsing seems fine to me
4) Screen is fine - probably comparing to Super AMOLED like on the Tab S it may not be as good but it's as good as any other tablet out there if not better with the high screen res

@acasserole
How about gaming. Does it run asphalt 8 on ultra high smoothly?

Zuk z2 a beast or imbecile

Recently I had speed test with my friend's Redmi note 4 and unexpectedly I lost against him in single pubg opening time by a margin of 10 seconds.
I was on pie sGSI ( I know that it lags but I thought that sd820 is enough powerful to beat sd 625 on any crappy software.)
This blown my mind and raised many questions.
1.how much does a software optimization is important in Android smartphones ??
2.software vs hardware which is more important ??
3.stock rom vs custom rom. Is it really beneficial to use custom ROMs ??
4.latest Android or stable 2 yrs old Android which is preferable ??
5.which is your favourite combination of rom for your zuk in performance ( here performance means without compromising heating and excessive battery drain) ??
6.how is stock Chinese zui ??
Please Reply With detailed experience.
Thanks.

Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.

n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Who said SD820 is garbage......it's was the best SOC of the Qualcomm....in 2016
625 no match for 820's performance
625 is cheaper one
For best experience use Oxygen OS ports and best stable builds
It's not that hardware fault, it's abt software that no optimized OS is availbale for ZuK right now
Best to me is
Oxygen 5.0.4 (has bugs)

praveensm899 said:
Who said SD820 is garbage......it's was the best SOC of the Qualcomm....in 2016
625 no match for 820's performance
625 is cheaper one
For best experience use Oxygen OS ports and best stable builds
It's not that hardware fault, it's abt software that no optimized OS is availbale for ZuK right now
Best to me is
Oxygen 5.0.4 (has bugs)
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Another one. lol

Who said sd 820 is better than 625?
In terms of GPU, single core performance, yes.but sd625 having higher multicore performance ie 4200+ comared with the sd820's 3800+ which makes sd625 around 10% better in terms of CPU performance ( since most games/apps use multicore )
Pubg is a CPU intensive game rather than a GPU ( for eg asphalt 9) So it will perform better on sd625.
But 3800+ multicore score is enough for the phone to run Pubg. Our main enemy is heat. 5.5 inch rn4 having considerably larger surface area than our 5" zuk, convective heat transfer is good in rn4, so CPU won't be throttled. For normal use rn4 is better.
But where z2 shines is with it's GPU demanding apps ( compute score of 820 is more than double of sd625)
+ Xiaomi's ROMs are more optimised than zuk's stock/ custom roms

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Who said sd 820 is better than 625?
In terms of GPU, single core performance, yes.but sd625 having higher multicore performance ie 4200+ comared with the sd820's 3800+ which makes sd625 around 10% better in terms of CPU performance ( since most games/apps use multicore )
Pubg is a CPU intensive game rather than a GPU ( for eg asphalt 9) So it will perform better on sd625.
But 3800+ multicore score is enough for the phone to run Pubg. Our main enemy is heat. 5.5 inch rn4 having considerably larger surface area than our 5" zuk, convective heat transfer is good in rn4, so CPU won't be throttled. For normal use rn4 is better.
But where z2 shines is with it's GPU demanding apps ( compute score of 820 is more than double of sd625)
+ Xiaomi's ROMs are more optimised than zuk's stock/ custom roms
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Thanks for the explanation.
I thought that Qualcomm's ****ty 4 kryo cores are enough to beat 8 a53 cores.
Because of sd 820 all I can see is HD or High graphics options in games and you can't play it because of heating and battery consumption.
So sd 820 is a mid ranger now:laugh:

If you can balance out the cpu thermal throttling issue, then the sd820 beats out the sd625 in GPU demanding games like PUBGM, Asphalt 9. The sd625 will never come close to being able to run those 2 games on high settings. The sd625 on the other hand, have very consistent performance and basically never throttle
I personally would have chosen a sd625 device, but the prices of sd820 devices now is almost same as sd625 devices, so their performance being close is nothing special. sd820 is just a less crappy sd810, and I still remember saying sd820 is bad on this forum and have ppl told me Im crazy

LMAO
Hahaha, i can't do anything but laugh at this post. PUBG is highly unstable and poorly optimized, not only on mobile but also on PC. It's a game in open beta. Try playing a better game. I've been playing world of tanks for almost 3 years now. World of tanks was pretty unstable when i started playing it, but now its super stable and zuk z2 runs it on 1080p 60fps without breaking a sweat, even at high graphics (i play on medium to save battery). And all my friends who play on SD400+ or SD600+ struggle to play even on low graphics and can hardly cross 40 fps. So, pubg is not a standard to measure device performance. Plus, why the hell are you running Android P. Try a stable non-treble oreo ROM (like nitrogen OS or dotOS 2.3.1 or cardinal-AOSP) and you will feel the difference. Using a custom ROM doesn't mean that you can always stay on latest firmware and you will get outstanding performance. Custom ROM means that you can find yourself a perfect combination of ROM, kernel and tweaks that suits your demands. For example, until July i was using miju12's citrus 3.5 based on nougat(September 2017 build), because oreo ROMs were not good enough. Still, I don't use treble enabled ROMs or Android P GSIs because simply, they're not stable enough and they don't utilize the full potential of SD820. Also, software benchmarks can't tell you real world performance (ex, citrus 3.5 doesn't have the best benchmark scores, but it was the best nougat ROM for 3D gaming).
Conclusion: Staying on latest software doesn't mean you will get best performance. Even Google is not sure if Treble and Android P GSI system will succeed or not. The goal of treble tech is to update all oreo devices to Pie by the end of 2018. If doesn't happen, treble and pie are a failure.
PS: I also play PUBG. Using Nitrogen OS. Disable battery optimization. Play on smooth/balanced graphics and medium/ high fps. On HD, there's too much heating and the CPU will throttle. Due to glass body and small size, z2 has poor heat dissipation. If you know how to tweak your device, its no problem playing PUBG. Better game loading time on RN4 is due to utilization of newer memory channels. But, i know that on balanced and HD graphics, RN4 can't hit even 10 fps.
There are some limitations in design of z2, but remember that its cheaper than RN4 and is better in every aspect.

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Hahaha, i can't do anything but laugh at this post. PUBG is highly unstable and poorly optimized, not only on mobile but also on PC. It's a game in open beta. Try playing a better game. I've been playing world of tanks for almost 3 years now. World of tanks was pretty unstable when i started playing it, but now its super stable and zuk z2 runs it on 1080p 60fps without breaking a sweat, even at high graphics (i play on medium to save battery). And all my friends who play on SD400+ or SD600+ struggle to play even on low graphics and can hardly cross 40 fps. So, pubg is not a standard to measure device performance. Plus, why the hell are you running Android P. Try a stable non-treble oreo ROM (like nitrogen OS or dotOS 2.3.1 or cardinal-AOSP) and you will feel the difference. Using a custom ROM doesn't mean that you can always stay on latest firmware and you will get outstanding performance. Custom ROM means that you can find yourself a perfect combination of ROM, kernel and tweaks that suits your demands. For example, until July i was using miju12's citrus 3.5 based on nougat(September 2017 build), because oreo ROMs were not good enough. Still, I don't use treble enabled ROMs or Android P GSIs because simply, they're not stable enough and they don't utilize the full potential of SD820. Also, software benchmarks can't tell you real world performance (ex, citrus 3.5 doesn't have the best benchmark scores, but it was the best nougat ROM for 3D gaming).
Conclusion: Staying on latest software doesn't mean you will get best performance. Even Google is not sure if Treble and Android P GSI system will succeed or not. The goal of treble tech is to update all oreo devices to Pie by the end of 2018. If doesn't happen, treble and pie are a failure.
PS: I also play PUBG. Using Nitrogen OS. Disable battery optimization. Play on smooth/balanced graphics and medium/ high fps. On HD, there's too much heating and the CPU will throttle. Due to glass body and small size, z2 has poor heat dissipation. If you know how to tweak your device, its no problem playing PUBG. Better game loading time on RN4 is due to utilization of newer memory channels. But, i know that on balanced and HD graphics, RN4 can't hit even 10 fps.
There are some limitations in design of z2, but remember that its cheaper than RN4 and is better in every aspect.
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And I agree with everything you said.
The performance you get on emulators on 625 is laughable compared to what you get on 820. I don't ever these guys are on about; 625 doesn't stand a chance against 820

as someone who had sd820 and sd625, my conclusion is sd625 is battery optimized with balanced performance, suitable for long term use. while sd820 excel in performance, it depends on the termal & kernel setting, cause sd820 heat a lot when used heavily (gaming or video processing), if by any chance zuk z2 had a better cooling system (like the new liquid cooling system) i think it could easily beat sd625. what make sd820 nor fully optimized was it heat, then the thermal config tried to cool it, which disturb the hardware performance.
simply said, sd820 can reach the top of the wall, but can't hang on too long. while sd625 can only reach half of the wall, but it can hang in to it as long as it want. in a battle of endurance, i would pick sd625

There's a reason for SD820 being a flagship series SoC and SD625 being a mid-range SoC. All this debate for a trash game like PUBG, lmao. If the kryo cores on 820 are inferior to a53 cores on 625, why is qualcomm using it in SD660, the latest in 600+ series. Anyways, I'm more than happy that i bought z2 over any 600 series phone. Good luck with your SD625, noobs. Again, I can't stop laughing...

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There's a reason for SD820 being a flagship series SoC and SD625 being a mid-range SoC. All this debate for a trash game like PUBG, lmao. If the kryo cores on 820 are inferior to a53 cores on 625, why is qualcomm using it in SD660, the latest in 600+ series. Anyways, I'm more than happy that i bought z2 over any 600 series phone. Good luck with your SD625, noobs. Again, I can't stop laughing...
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You do realize that you're on the z2+ forum, where most ppl is using it right?
The phone & SoC has flaws, no one can deny that. It just happen to suit your use case, doesn't mean it does so for everyone

It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.

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It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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I Highly suggest everyone to read the whole post and then comment.
I know that sd 820 is better,
that's why I chose z2 and not rn4 and that's why I'm here in z2 plus forum.
Don't be rude and respect everyone.
If you got overflow of knowledge then spit it anywhere else.
Hope you understood.

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I Highly suggest everyone to read the whole post and then comment.
I know that sd 820 is better,
that's why I chose z2 and not rn4 and that's why I'm here in z2 plus forum.
Don't be rude and respect everyone.
If you got overflow of knowledge then spit it anywhere else.
Hope you understood.
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I suggest you to read the z2 forum carefully. Solution for all your peoblems is there.

Thanks and if you don't have answers Then stay away.

brother_mouzone said:
It's better to buy a new device rather than complaining like kids. A chipset that was designed in 2015 and still outperforms most of the other chipsets. Zuk provided a flagship chipset in a low end price range. Still, you people are complaining. LMAO, thats why i call you all noobs. The return of investment on zuk z2 is above 200%. Get your facts right, kids.
The back glass panel of z2 can be easily removed. Remove it and play a game of PUBG on HD and high fps. It runs smooth af. There's a metal back panel for z2 on AliExpress. Replace the glass one with it. It will increase heat dissipation and in turn, increase performance.
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Share the link for the metal back panel please!

Samirmathakiya said:
Thanks and if you don't have answers Then stay away.
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LOL
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underworld_king said:
Share the link for the metal back panel please!
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http://s.aliexpress.com/nMFzaUri?fromSns=Copy to Clipboard
It says glass panel but see the description, material used is metal.

n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Maybe its badluck for you! i have played pubg on highest setting with 30-40 fps and tempreture under 45C. hardware does matter. and so does software optimization. both go hand in hand

n00b_dr0id said:
Lol, I have been saying the same but fanbois will remain fanbois. SD820 is garbage. I have Zuk2 and LG V20 both SD 820 but can't play PUBG smoothly on either. I play with my cousin beside me with Redmi Note 4 and his runs smoother on lowest settings. SD820 has better GPU so you can play at higher settings but same choppy gameplay. So SD820 owners are outsmarted by both cheap Redmi and flagship OP6 players. lol
Edit: I also discussed this with a senior engg at Qualcomm but he said it's not hardware it's software issue, but I have tried all kinds of ROMs and kernels. With new gen of processors being released by Qualcomm I think they will do the same with current generation of flagship devices.
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Lol for u bro
I guess ur one crazy redmi note 4 fanboi or maybe not
But anyways
My z2 every time wins against my friends redmi note 4 in terms of pubg that to I play on 1080p med settings, his on low settings
As ppl earlier said pubg is not well optimised
U say u have tried all ROMs
Having big appload or not letting the ROM to settle or frequently changing roms and some impatience leads to these kinds of moronic conclusions
I guess u haven't tried ROMs like OOS miui cardinal nitrogen
Not to exclude jaguar bootleggers
Even on zui it better than redmi note 4
Except rros old builds coz their speeds aren't that good
As far as sd820 is concerned
My god bro u haven't heard of op3t phone I guess
I played on 1080p high settings no lag whatsoever
It even crushes zuk z2

60 FPS Games (Iphone Like) Custom rom/kernel HELP....

Hi Guys,
I just want to ask if there is a custom rom/kernel that has overclock tweak or something to increase the graphics of this phone. Initially, I thought that SD 636 will support 60fps in mobile legends (Iphone like Graphics) but it appears that It only has 40FPS (I already made the high frame rate tweak on mobile legends). It's my fault because I did not research before buying this phone. I was checking if there is a custom rom or kernel that has a tweak on overclock GPU/CPU. I need this because I have a channel on youtube, It's Mobile Legends gameplays and I want to produce real 60fps videos. If you will reply buy iphone instead or buy blackshark. My apology, I dont have that money to purchase one, as my channel is just a small channel. So im trying to look for a work around. Thanks in advance guys.

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Hi Guys,
I just want to ask if there is a custom rom/kernel that has overclock tweak or something to increase the graphics of this phone. Initially, I thought that SD 636 will support 60fps in mobile legends (Iphone like Graphics) but it appears that It only has 40FPS (I already made the high frame rate tweak on mobile legends). It's my fault because I did not research before buying this phone. I was checking if there is a custom rom or kernel that has a tweak on overclock GPU/CPU. I need this because I have a channel on youtube, It's Mobile Legends gameplays and I want to produce real 60fps videos. If you will reply buy iphone instead or buy blackshark. My apology, I dont have that money to purchase one, as my channel is just a small channel. So im trying to look for a work around. Thanks in advance guys.
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kirks kernel has overclocked cpu.

cmangalos said:
Hi Guys,
I just want to ask if there is a custom rom/kernel that has overclock tweak or something to increase the graphics of this phone. Initially, I thought that SD 636 will support 60fps in mobile legends (Iphone like Graphics) but it appears that It only has 40FPS (I already made the high frame rate tweak on mobile legends). It's my fault because I did not research before buying this phone. I was checking if there is a custom rom or kernel that has a tweak on overclock GPU/CPU. I need this because I have a channel on youtube, It's Mobile Legends gameplays and I want to produce real 60fps videos. If you will reply buy iphone instead or buy blackshark. My apology, I dont have that money to purchase one, as my channel is just a small channel. So im trying to look for a work around. Thanks in advance guys.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-5-pro/how-to/phone-bad-t3839653
Well, do your research next time...

Robert- said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-5-pro/how-to/phone-bad-t3839653
Well, do your research next time...
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You can find a thread like this in probably every device forum here in xda. There is always someone unhappy, and even in your thread there are MORE people saying performance is really good than people crying about bad performance. Also PUBG mobile runs better on RN5 than iphone 6, dont know about other games as i dont play them, but there is plenty of material on youtube.

Incogn said:
You can find a thread like this in probably every device forum here in xda. There is always someone unhappy, and even in your thread there are MORE people saying performance is really good than people crying about bad performance. Also PUBG mobile runs better on RN5 than iphone 6, dont know about other games as i dont play them, but there is plenty of material on youtube.
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Well, I think I trusted SD 636 that much, I made few research on this phone and pretty much they all say gaming is good. I just lack the very important one, the 60fps support. This phone is really great, no problem at all, It's just that I want to produce a very good videos for my subscribers in youtube, that's why I was looking for a work around to have 60fps on mobile legends, Also maximizing setting on Mobile legends game itself (High Frame Rate and High Quality Display, all setting high) game is smooth, but when I use a screen recorder, that's when FPS drop happens.

cmangalos said:
Hi Guys,
I just want to ask if there is a custom rom/kernel that has overclock tweak or something to increase the graphics of this phone. Initially, I thought that SD 636 will support 60fps in mobile legends (Iphone like Graphics) but it appears that It only has 40FPS (I already made the high frame rate tweak on mobile legends). It's my fault because I did not research before buying this phone. I was checking if there is a custom rom or kernel that has a tweak on overclock GPU/CPU. I need this because I have a channel on youtube, It's Mobile Legends gameplays and I want to produce real 60fps videos. If you will reply buy iphone instead or buy blackshark. My apology, I dont have that money to purchase one, as my channel is just a small channel. So im trying to look for a work around. Thanks in advance guys.
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Thing is you can find cpu oc kernel but the problem is gpu oc, devs are still trying to figure out a way to oc. You can try twist loop kernel

rishab77 said:
Thing is you can find cpu oc kernel but the problem is gpu oc, devs are still trying to figure out a way to oc. You can try twist loop kernel
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Hmmmm, I see. thanks for the reply like. I might consider getting a pocophone then. I'll just have rn5ai as a daily phone driver. I dont like the notch thingy

cmangalos said:
Well, I think I trusted SD 636 that much, I made few research on this phone and pretty much they all say gaming is good. I just lack the very important one, the 60fps support. This phone is really great, no problem at all, It's just that I want to produce a very good videos for my subscribers in youtube, that's why I was looking for a work around to have 60fps on mobile legends, Also maximizing setting on Mobile legends game itself (High Frame Rate and High Quality Display, all setting high) game is smooth, but when I use a screen recorder, that's when FPS drop happens.
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Well i think its only logical, thats a graphic intense game, recording also takes away resources, and then there is SD636, which is a perfectly fine SoC, but in the end its still only budget/mid tier SoC. For such heavy tasks you would want to look in flagship tier, even if a year or two old. For example Leeco Le Pro 3 has sd 821, and it costs around 130euros, gaming performance would be way better, but everything else is worse compared to RN5.

Gaming Phone Hype

So i have been using my ROGPHONE 2 (12/512) for almost 1 month now. Getting ready for Diablo Immortal to launch(been 2 years and still not launched) Played CODM, Ragnarok M, Temple Run 2, PVZ 2, NFS, Asphalt, Jurassic World and the list goes on.
And recently i bought a $200 Nintendo Switch Lite for the sake of Diablo 3 Eternal Collection and for the sake its only $200.Im a huge Diablo fanboy. And turns out "Console" is still better than "Smartphones".
My point is whats with this Gaming Phone Hype? Best benchmark bla bla bla. My ROGPHONE 2 at times stutter while playing games. Whereas my Switch Lite dont.
Yes i know its better to have 1 device which can do all rather than have multiple devices. But the differences is outrageous. How can a $200 Console do better than a $900 "Gaming" Smartphone?
*im not mentioning the games available for console vs mobile*

Dedicated gaming consoles with built in fan are very different from mobile phones with gaming features. The first one usually does better at gaming. It is supposed to. It is the only thing that it is made for with all devs focusing on just one hardware. On mobile phones however, you have hundreds of different hardwares with limited thermal envelope. I'd be very interested to see a gaming video comparison between your note 10+, rog 2 and P30 pro..

mohammed510 said:
Dedicated gaming consoles with built in fan are very different from mobile phones with gaming features. The first one usually does better at gaming. It is supposed to. It is the only thing that it is made for with all devs focusing on just one hardware. On mobile phones however, you have hundreds of different hardwares with limited thermal envelope. I'd be very interested to see a gaming video comparison between your note 10+, rog 2 and P30 pro..
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Between those 3. And lets say CODM. The best is ROGPHONE 2. Why? Because no notch. Yes i can hide the notch but the area near the notch is very unresponsive. I have made many threads about this in AC forums.
But the ROGPHONE 2 section there is dead. That's why im here xD

yes i agree with you. i dont know whats this hype is all about. my main reason why i bought this phone is the battery. and i already knew that mobile gaming sucks. all high end phone sucks at certain point when you play at high settings and its better to buy gaming PC or consoles if you are really on gaming.

weyrulez said:
yes i agree with you. i dont know whats this hype is all about. my main reason why i bought this phone is the battery. and i already knew that mobile gaming sucks. all high end phone sucks at certain point when you play at high settings and its better to buy gaming PC or consoles if you are really on gaming.
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Thank you for not bashing me. I mean even with 1 game installed. It still wouldnt do as good as consoles. People be boasting stuff like BEST GAMING PHONE and so on but its not even gaming... I know i can buy those add ons to have buttons but its gonna cost even way more.
And i know its a smartphone. Supposed to make multiple devices become 1. But i personally have a device for every need. Like an A&K for music, PS4 for games,Mirrorless Camera for photos, Laptop for work and so on.
And not to mention the amount of cash needed to be powerful in mobile games. Pro Non Casher will always lose to Noob Casher. But on consoles its different.
And yes this phone has crazy battery life. Haha. With no games installed I could easily get 2 days of normal usage.

HermesHidayat said:
Thank you for not bashing me. I mean even with 1 game installed. It still wouldnt do as good as consoles. People be boasting stuff like BEST GAMING PHONE and so on but its not even gaming... I know i can buy those add ons to have buttons but its gonna cost even way more.
And i know its a smartphone. Supposed to make multiple devices become 1. But i personally have a device for every need. Like an A&K for music, PS4 for games,Mirrorless Camera for photos, Laptop for work and so on.
And not to mention the amount of cash needed to be powerful in mobile games. Pro Non Casher will always lose to Noob Casher. But on consoles its different.
And yes this phone has crazy battery life. Haha. With no games installed I could easily get 2 days of normal usage.
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Hi guys, I can relate to everything you said and was also thinking about the switch. But as I bought this phone for 500$ it was a no brainier.
The sad state of gaming in Android is not a hardware issue but bad Android OS api implementation. This is supposedly handled in new vulkan api. But the worst problem is the crap state of content, with virtually all games adopting freemium models which kill all games. For some reason people expect to get things for free on mobile and don't want to pay for good games so companies delivered free crap which makes you pay to play. 5,6 years ago there were plenty of good premium games, now they are rare. I'm actually now checking game streaming services.

HermesHidayat said:
Thank you for not bashing me. I mean even with 1 game installed. It still wouldnt do as good as consoles. People be boasting stuff like BEST GAMING PHONE and so on but its not even gaming... I know i can buy those add ons to have buttons but its gonna cost even way more.
And i know its a smartphone. Supposed to make multiple devices become 1. But i personally have a device for every need. Like an A&K for music, PS4 for games,Mirrorless Camera for photos, Laptop for work and so on.
And not to mention the amount of cash needed to be powerful in mobile games. Pro Non Casher will always lose to Noob Casher. But on consoles its different.
And yes this phone has crazy battery life. Haha. With no games installed I could easily get 2 days of normal usage.
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It's all semantics.
Let's grade all the available gaming phones. Is ROG 2 the best among them? If yes then it's obviously the best gaming phone!
Now back to your comparison of gaming phones against dedicated gaming devices and consoles.
That's an unfair and improper way of comparing them. Cos one set of devices is specialised in executing only a single task (playing games) while the other set countless tasks (calls, sms, email, photography, multimedia, data storage, web activity, gaming, navigation, health,l and a ton of other things ranging from controlling your smart home & CCTVs to being used for penetration testing etc).
Maybe that's one of the key factors ??*

I bought the Switch Lite and tried to use it as a phone... oh wait.. its not................................

cheetah2k said:
I bought the Switch Lite and tried to use it as a phone... oh wait.. its not................................
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The Nintendo Switch Lite wasnt advertised as a phone. Whereas the ROGPHONE 2 was advertised as the best "GAMING" phone. Owh wait, did i get the ads wrong?

HermesHidayat said:
The Nintendo Switch Lite wasnt advertised as a phone. Whereas the ROGPHONE 2 was advertised as the best "GAMING" phone. Owh wait, did i get the ads wrong?
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ROG 2 was advertised as the best gaming "phone", not the best gaming "device" or "handheld".
The games being laggy is the issue of Android itself and not ASUS. ASUS has literally delivered the best gaming "phone" till date. No other "phone" beats it in gaming.

vygneys_vyg said:
ROG 2 was advertised as the best gaming "phone", not the best gaming "device" or "handheld".
The games being laggy is the issue of Android itself and not ASUS. ASUS has literally delivered the best gaming "phone" till date. No other "phone" beats it in gaming.
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So Asus should use IOS? You dont get my point...

zayidhs said:
It's all semantics.
Let's grade a the available gaming phones. Is ROG 2 the best among them? If yes then its obviously the best gaming phone!
Now back to your comparison of gaming phones with dedicated gaming devices and consoles.
That's an unfair and improper way of comparing them. Cos one set of devices is specialised in executing only a single task (playing games) while the other set countless tasks (calls, sms, email, photography, multimedia, data storage, web activity, gaming, navigation, health,l and a ton of other things ranging from controlling your smart home & CCTVs to being used for penetration testing etc).
Maybe that's one of the key factors ??*
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Yes i know that. And i did try to just use my ROGPHONE 2 for just 1 game which is CODM. And it did stutter. Not often but it does. Many factors can cause the stutter but it does stutter.

Why are we even comparing a mobile device vs a dedicated gaming console in the 1st place ? ?
Rog phone 2 is a great phone simple...
The 120hz AMOLED, 6000mah battery , sd 855+ already won my heart

HermesHidayat said:
Yes i know that. And i did try to just use my ROGPHONE 2 for just 1 game which is CODM. And it did stutter. Not often but it does. Many factors can cause the stutter but it does stutter.
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Maybe the issue is with that game bro, not the phone. Are you using the cooler? If the phone gets too hot then it will throttle both CPU and GPU then gaming performance will decrease for sure, there's no way around that. That's how devices with passive cooling work. But if the phone remains cool then there's no reason for the game to stutter as SD855+ is powerful enough to run any game in the playstore. Unless the game itself is poorly optimized, which is not a sign of a quality triple A game, as it should run fine on much weaker hardware..

mohammed510 said:
Maybe the issue is with that game bro, not the phone. Are you using the cooler? If the phone gets too hot then it will throttle both CPU and GPU then gaming performance will decrease for sure, there's no way around that. That's how devices with passive cooling work. But if the phone remains cool then there's no reason for the game to stutter as SD855+ is powerful enough to run any game in the playstore. Unless the game itself is poorly optimized, which is not a sign of a quality triple A game, as it should run fine on much weaker hardware..
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I played this game a lot and it never had a stuttered. It is actually one of the better optimised games. In online games, stutters can also be the result of bad network connection.

HermesHidayat said:
So Asus should use IOS? You dont get my point...
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Games on iOS are usually better optimized. Game devs just spend more effort on iOS games because they get more profit from iOS than from Android.
I have a pro max and a rog 2. The pro max will only run heavy games for like 20mins then it will get hot and brightness will go down to 50% or less. That is not a pleasant experience if you're a serious gamer. The iPhone can only hit peak performance for a short time because it is a passively cooled device, despite the powerful hardware.
In short, just use the switch or xbox or Playstation for serious gaming, games are much much more optimized for the hardware there and they are all actively cooled dedicated gaming consoles..

HermesHidayat said:
Yes i know that. And i did try to just use my ROGPHONE 2 for just 1 game which is CODM. And it did stutter. Not often but it does. Many factors can cause the stutter but it does stutter.
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CODM stutters on iOS too - especially with a crappy internet connection. I play CODM on the ROG2, connected to a 5G router and no issues, but when connected to 100mbit HFC broadband connection i get the odd stutter. CODM is smooth 99% of the time for me, so its something beyond the phone thats your issue..
Maybe you should stick to the Nintendo... Sounds like its the only solution for someone like yourself. :good:

Anyone having issues with lag or stutter in game is misidentifying the issue causing the stutter or lag. Or you just can't figure out XMode. This phone is a beast. Thermal throttling isn't an issue. If you're trying to compare a gaming console of any level to a smartphone you probably like to compare apples to oranges too. Why not add gaming PCs to the mix? Understanding the difference in platforms would be a good place to learn why this phone is so amazing, and is cheap for the amount of tech in it, especially when you consider how well it runs heavy games. I can play Classic Matches in PUBG for hours on end and even charge without ever dropping a frame. Show me any other phone in the world besides other 2nd Gen Gaming Phones that can do that.....go ahead, I'll wait..........
Pro Tips: Don't Buy this phone for using as a phone you carry and use as a phone.
Know XMode and set it up for every game.
Use the fan for heavy games, always! (my fan never leaves the phone except for cleaning)
Use the fastest data connection you can for gaming. Lag comes from servers, not this phone. Mobile Data almost always has higher ping than wifi.
If you aren't hyped about this phone you're probably not in to mobile gaming, so why do you even have this phone? Much better phones out there to be just phones. This phone is for playing mobile games.
For reference I played on a Note 9 and an iPhone XS Max before getting this ROG. To say this phone has allowed me to win battles I would have lost on my other phones, would be understating it. This phone is a God at gaming. Can't wait for the ROG 3.
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The state of mobile gaming is getting better all the time. Everyone keeps talking about how terrible it is. Yeah so terrible the two biggest games in the history of the world are both mobile games. You can combine all the rest of the gaming platforms and still not get close to the active daily player base of mobile and it's most popular games. So keep being snooty about gaming superiority, and I'll keep laughing all the way to the bank. Mobile is the future of all tech. If you can't, won't, or don't see that then all I can say is have fun stuck in the past. Not everyone can afford computers and consoles and cameras and TVs. But you can get all that in one device that also makes phone calls and most people can afford one, so do the math, it's pretty simple. Player base numbers alone make mobile the superior platform. Those numbers already working to continue to take out PC and Console hardware gaps and limitations. Pushing phones to be capable of more and more. Will phones ever be as capable as something with a large die cast for processors? No. More room is always better. But the gap will be so small some day soon you'll have one game released for all platforms. Wait, that already happened like two years ago. Only a matter of time before they all do.
I sold my XBox One X to convert to mobile gaming all the time. Because I see the future of gaming and mobile tech all colliding and the lines between platforms being blurred in to non existence(Stadia). We've already seen mobile players beat out console and PC players in Fortnite. How bad is mobile gaming really? I think I've read some of the most biased and uneducated opinions here. Which is sad, this is XDA.
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Been reading the debates. you peeps debating Rog vs switch lite. I feel Nokia 3310 wins here. xD
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Agree with your point. People are comparing console and phones for no reasons. and yep it is advertised as best gaming phone and it indeed is the best gaming phone.

sinisin said:
Pro Tips: Don't Buy this phone for using as a phone you carry and use as a phone.
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To be honest, I couldn't find a worthy contender to get as a daily driver for the last 2 years. I don't really do gaming on it apart from occasional pubg game, or some emulation. BUT the sheer firepower this phone holds bought me, especially screen+battery+3.5mm jack+front stereo speakers. And I know this phone will easily last me another 3-4years of usage (with occasional battery exchange of course). I considered note10+, but lack of 3.5mm jack and no stereo speakers killed it for me (former nexus6 owner). So You can't tell people not to buy this phone as a daily driver, maaaybe if someone works with a lot of dust this phone might not be the best idea, but there is a fix to that too (basically wrap it around -screen with stretch foil for daily usage - no need to make holes for ports, except if you use the 3.5mm jack)