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[Q] Root, is it worth it?

I am having a hard time to choose "to root or not root".
is there a easy way to root?
i just want ad-block and maybe wireless tether, still worth it?
i used to own a HTC DInc, flashing this roms and that roms, and ended up cm7 as my last rom, none of those are stable. beside roms and kernels, what's the advantage of rooting my GN?

Yep... I got rid of all the bloatware, was able to adjust the screen brightness for the automatic setting, and all the things you mentioned.
It is quite simple. To get you started...
1) Download Android SDK and drivers
2) Start phone in bootloader (hold volume +/- down while powering up)
3) Go to your C:/program files (x86)/Android/Platform-Tools folder within a command prompt
4) Type in Fastboot oem unlock
You're now unlocked... Now...
1) Download Superboot http://android.modaco.com/topic/348161-30-nov-r3-superboot-rooting-the-gsm-lte-galaxy-nexus/
2) Put phone back into bootloader as shown above
3) Run the BAT file
I don't know about others, but after waiting 20 minutes, I did a battery pull because it was stuck on the Google screen. I then had root after booting.

momentarylapseofreason said:
Yep... I got rid of all the bloatware, was able to adjust the screen brightness for the automatic setting, and all the things you mentioned.
It is quite simple. To get you started...
1) Download Android SDK and drivers
2) Start phone in bootloader (hold volume +/- down while powering up)
3) Go to your C:/program files (x86)/Android/Platform-Tools folder within a command prompt
4) Type in Fastboot oem unlock
You're now unlocked... Now...
1) Download Superboot http://android.modaco.com/topic/348161-30-nov-r3-superboot-rooting-the-gsm-lte-galaxy-nexus/
2) Put phone back into bootloader as shown above
3) Run the BAT file
I don't know about others, but after waiting 20 minutes, I did a battery pull because it was stuck on the Google screen. I then had root after booting.
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will I lose root and unlocked bootloader when 4.0.3 released?

zeke1988 said:
will I lose root and unlocked bootloader when 4.0.3 released?
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here is the thing about a "nexus" device. It is intended for developing. it is very easy to unlock and re-lock the bootloader. and just the same to root. if ever you want to return to a stock state the images are available from aosp.
why anyone wouldn't root/unlock on a nexus is beyond me.
so the answer to you question is it doesn't matter. because a couple quick command lines will fix everything

Yes
Unlock the Bootloader
Root your phone
Get the WIFI tether app.
Its worth it. That single feature alone made me figure out how to do it. Its really scary honestly, when the words "flashing" come into play, i think about the bad BIOS flash i did at work...but I then watched this video: ?v=ZtKoaPEXzHs[/url] and it didn't seem so bad. So I did it.
The other things you can do with a rooted phone aren't that interesting to mainstream ppl. I'll include myself in that bunch, but wifi app is the one shining perk you get when you root.

thanks everyone, I rooted . the reason i am scared because I brick my first HTC DInc when battery pull on radio flashing haha.

ogdobber said:
here is the thing about a "nexus" device. It is intended for developing. it is very easy to unlock and re-lock the bootloader. and just the same to root. if ever you want to return to a stock state the images are available from aosp.
why anyone wouldn't root/unlock on a nexus is beyond me.
so the answer to you question is it doesn't matter. because a couple quick command lines will fix everything
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couldnt of said it better myself

I also rooted my GNex because of my old app databases, saved games etc.
Titanium Backup is THE reason for me to have root!
Adfree is also nice, but to be able to restore every app you had is just a banger!

I have not rooted my phone yet and don't see the need right now but that may change in the future.
Pretty much rooted my previous phones out the box but that was more to get near a stock rom with no carrier bloatware and as there is no bloatware on the Nexus that requirement for me to root has been removed.

I hope there are more kernels for stock roms.

daleski75 said:
I have not rooted my phone yet and don't see the need right now but that may change in the future.
Pretty much rooted my previous phones out the box but that was more to get near a stock rom with no carrier bloatware and as there is no bloatware on the Nexus that requirement for me to root has been removed.
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Curious.. are those the speeds you're getting on 4G? Here in Chicago, I am getting between 28-32mbps down
EDIT: I don't pay attention.. see that was a 3G speed

No one said it on the first page, so I will.
UNLOCKING YOUR BOOTLOADER WILL WIPE ALL DATA AND USERDATA FROM THE DEVICE.
zeke1988 said:
I hope there are more kernels for stock roms.
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I don't understand your post - Kernels are independent of ROMs. The only limitation right now is that most are built for 4.0.3 and the 4.0.3 OTA hasn't been pushed yet. Or is that what you mean?

I would live to root but man I don't understand any of this stuff. Its not as easy as the d3 was for rooting. I dont know what and where those files would be located and what they are. Is there a super newb version. I need something that does a step by step. Like where are this files that you talk about are they on the phone.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1352413&highlight=superboot
Easiest way of rooting.

spacecasespiff said:
I would live to root but man I don't understand any of this stuff. Its not as easy as the d3 was for rooting. I dont know what and where those files would be located and what they are. Is there a super newb version. I need something that does a step by step. Like where are this files that you talk about are they on the phone.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App
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Check my sig
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

in my opinion, if there isn't anything compelling you to root at the moment, i'd wait until that time. there will eventually come a rom, feature or app that will motivate you.
all the high horse talk about what a "nexus phone is about..." is irrelevant because you paid for a device to do and not do what you please with it.

Sertainly I love my custom rom.

zeke1988 said:
I am having a hard time to choose "to root or not root".
is there a easy way to root?
i just want ad-block and maybe wireless tether, still worth it?
i used to own a HTC DInc, flashing this roms and that roms, and ended up cm7 as my last rom, none of those are stable. beside roms and kernels, what's the advantage of rooting my GN?
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don't do ad block, on HTC phones it causes huge lag when surfing.
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momentarylapseofreason said:
Yep... I got rid of all the bloatware, was able to adjust the screen brightness for the automatic setting, and all the things you mentioned.
It is quite simple. To get you started...
1) Download Android SDK and drivers
2) Start phone in bootloader (hold volume +/- down while powering up)
3) Go to your C:/program files (x86)/Android/Platform-Tools folder within a command prompt
4) Type in Fastboot oem unlock
You're now unlocked... Now...
1) Download Superboot http://android.modaco.com/topic/348161-30-nov-r3-superboot-rooting-the-gsm-lte-galaxy-nexus/
2) Put phone back into bootloader as shown above
3) Run the BAT file
I don't know about others, but after waiting 20 minutes, I did a battery pull because it was stuck on the Google screen. I then had root after booting.
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Thanks! When you root, does this delete all your settings and apps? I spent so much time setting up this thing, what's holding me back from rooting is having to do it all again.

Neo3D said:
don't do ad block, on HTC phones it causes huge lag when surfing.
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Thanks! When you root, does this delete all your settings and apps? I spent so much time setting up this thing, what's holding me back from rooting is having to do it all again.
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Really? It didnt lag much on my old htc Dinc.
Once i unlocked bootloader, it did a factory reset. All data got deleted, but some apps i installed still there after reset. And my setting got backed up by google.

ogdobber said:
here is the thing about a "nexus" device. It is intended for developing. it is very easy to unlock and re-lock the bootloader. and just the same to root. if ever you want to return to a stock state the images are available from aosp.
why anyone wouldn't root/unlock on a nexus is beyond me.
so the answer to you question is it doesn't matter. because a couple quick command lines will fix everything
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Because you wipe out all the data on your phone? How can I back up when non-rooted so it will be simple to restore everything when I root the phone?

[Q]Should I ROOT my HTC One M8?

So I've been brought up to this question. I received my HTC One M8 a month after its release and things are looking pretty great so far. I love it and I have Nova Launcher Prime which makes it all the more better. I came up to a question of whether or not should I root my phone. I've seen some people do impressive things with their rooted phones and I would like to do that as well, but I feel as if, if I do root my phone it won't be the same that I have it now. I'm just skeptical that if I were to root, I would not be able to setup my phone the way it is now(Nova Launcher Prime, Zooper Widgets, etc.). Also I'm afraid I might "brick" my phone in the process as I am not a master when it comes to following things. If you could help me decide whether or not I should root my phone that'd be great. Thanks and have a good day!
Edit: Just some more information, my phone is unlocked and off contract.

Tazz. said:
So I've been brought up to this question. I received my HTC One M8 a month after its release and things are looking pretty great so far. I love it and I have Nova Launcher Prime which makes it all the more better. I came up to a question of whether or not should I root my phone. I've seen some people do impressive things with their rooted phones and I would like to do that as well, but I feel as if, if I do root my phone it won't be the same that I have it now. I'm just skeptical that if I were to root, I would not be able to setup my phone the way it is now(Nova Launcher Prime, Zooper Widgets, etc.). Also I'm afraid I might "brick" my phone in the process as I am not a master when it comes to following things. If you could help me decide whether or not I should root my phone that'd be great. Thanks and have a good day!
Edit: Just some more information, my phone is unlocked and off contract.
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Personally, unless you want some specific things you haven't got now, which you can get with a custom ROM, I wouldn't root.
Pick what you would like to do with your phone which you can't now, and take it from there.
I had a smoother phone with better battery life while it was unrooted and stock, and kind of wish I hadn't rooted.

HtcOneJon said:
I had a smoother phone with better battery life while it was unrooted and stock, and kind of wish I hadn't rooted.
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Rooting does not affect the battery life or performance of the phone. If you think that changing the ROM has affected these things, just flash back to the stock ROM. Its not like anything you have done (in terms of performance) is irreversible.
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Tazz. said:
I'm just skeptical that if I were to root, I would not be able to setup my phone the way it is now(Nova Launcher Prime, Zooper Widgets, etc.).
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Why would you think that? Root just give you mores system access privileges. It gives you more freedom, not less.
Whether root is right for you or not is a personal decision. The huge majority of Android phone users will never root (or likely even know what that means). But for me its almost mandatory. I rooted the phone 1 day after buying it. Probably would have done it the first night, but I have a 3-year old running around the house!
You haven't been specific as to what "impressive things" you want to do with your phone. But if you really want to do things that require root, just do it!
Tazz. said:
Also I'm afraid I might "brick" my phone in the process as I am not a master when it comes to following things. If you could help me decide whether or not I should root my phone that'd be great.
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Take the time to read up, and understand the concepts, terms and process; and follow the guides very closely, and you will be fine. Take your time, and don't rush the learning process. If you get stuck, read some more, or come on here and ask (don't try random things or try to make up your own solutions, as this is a sure recipe for disaster).
You don't have to be a master; you just have to do your due diligence and read and research. This phone is IMO not that easy to brick, as long as you understand what you are doing and follow the steps closely.

Of Course... That is why you are here. Read up first. :good:

why do people think root is such a life changing thing ? like such a big deal, so forbidden
smfh

redpoint73 said:
Rooting does not affect the battery life or performance of the phone. If you think that changing the ROM has affected these things, just flash back to the stock ROM. Its not like anything you have done (in terms of performance) is irreversible.
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Why would you think that? Root just give you mores system access privileges. It gives you more freedom, not less.
Whether root is right for you or not is a personal decision. The huge majority of Android phone users will never root (or likely even know what that means). But for me its almost mandatory. I rooted the phone 1 day after buying it. Probably would have done it the first night, but I have a 3-year old running around the house!
You haven't been specific as to what "impressive things" you want to do with your phone. But if you really want to do things that require root, just do it!
Take the time to read up, and understand the concepts, terms and process; and follow the guides very closely, and you will be fine. Take your time, and don't rush the learning process. If you get stuck, read some more, or come on here and ask (don't try random things or try to make up your own solutions, as this is a sure recipe for disaster).
You don't have to be a master; you just have to do your due diligence and read and research. This phone is IMO not that easy to brick, as long as you understand what you are doing and follow the steps closely.
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Thank you for such a wonderful answer to my questions. I guess I will learn up how to root and everything around it. Could you recommend me a guide to rooting and HTC One M8?
Thanks!

Tazz. said:
Could you recommend me a guide to rooting and HTC One M8?
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I'd start with these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694600
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52484527
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2711073
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rbouza1 said:
why do people think root is such a life changing thing ? like such a big deal, so forbidden
smfh
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The carriers and manufacturers do a good job of scaring people off "OMG you're going to void your warranty if you even think about rooting!"
Its almost comical on a less techy website like the AT&T forum how most of the users are terrified about rooting; like its something illegal or sketchy. If you suggest rooting to them, its like you asked them to steal a car or something.

If I may...
I have an htc one m8, factory unlocked, running 5.0.1, stock. My HBOOT is 3.19.0.000 and OS 4.16.1540.8.
I would like to use tasker and for that, I need a rooted phone based on what I want to do with tasker.
My question is: if I just unlock the bootloader and root it, will I be able to get OTAs from HTC? I don't want to install any kernel or custom Roms, don't want S-Off neither do anything else with my phone other than get access to certain functions on tasker... I am glad the way things are.
Or can I just root it, without having to change the bootloader?
Thanks for the time spent on answering this noobie.

AlcaloidedoErgot said:
My question is: if I just unlock the bootloader and root it, will I be able to get OTAs from HTC?
Or can I just root it, without having to change the bootloader?
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Yes and yes.
In order to OTA, you will need to put the stock recovery back on the phone. ROM needs to be stock (no system apps removed, etc.). Unlocked bootloader is okay, root is okay (to install OTA).
The OTA will remove root, but its a simple matter to re- install custom recovery and root again after the OTA.

redpoint73 said:
Yes and yes.
In order to OTA, you will need to put the stock recovery back on the phone. ROM needs to be stock (no system apps removed, etc.). Unlocked bootloader is okay, root is okay (to install OTA).
The OTA will remove root, but its a simple matter to re- install custom recovery and root again after the OTA.
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Thank you so much for your fast reply. I really appreciated your answer.
Just two more: Will I have any problem doing it as my HBOOT version is 3.19.0.0000? And would you mind to post a link to a tutorial on just to root and not unlock the bootloader?
Thanks in advance.

AlcaloidedoErgot said:
Will I have any problem doing it as my HBOOT version is 3.19.0.0000?
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No problem. Hboot 3.19 roots just fine. If on Lollipop, use the most current SuperSU zip (2.46) as older versions won't work on Lollipop.
AlcaloidedoErgot said:
And would you mind to post a link to a tutorial on just to root and not unlock the bootloader?
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There is no way to root without unlocking the bootloader.
On KitKat, you can use sunshine s-off (but costs $25 US) to temp root, s-off, and unlock bootloader without going through HTCDev.com.
But if on Lollipop, the only way to unlock the bootloader is though HTCDev.com.
Either way, you will have to unlock the bootloader and install custom recovery in order to root.

Attempting to root Verizon Note 4 SM-N910V using CF Autoroot.

The program seems to execute, but fails after a few seconds. I've downloaded the root program designated for my model.

Sir,
Please wait until mods will move this thread to the device specific forum.
For more questions about you must register an account on XDA
Stand by
Good luck

XDA Visitor said:
The program seems to execute, but fails after a few seconds. I've downloaded the root program designated for my model.
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There is no method/program to root the Verizon Note 4 Retail version. The only Verizon version of the Note 4 than can be rooted is the Developer Edition.

SM-N910V
Where can I find this developer version of the Galaxy Note 4 for Verizon's network? (model SM-N910V)? I called Verizon Wireless and they escalated to managers but couldn't find it.

nataliegrn said:
Where can I find this developer version of the Galaxy Note 4 for Verizon's network? (model SM-N910V)? I called Verizon Wireless and they escalated to managers but couldn't find it.
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direct from samsung. only place you can get it and you have to act like you are a dev by filling out the form lol.
if you want it, sell your phone, use the money to put towards it. will cost you around 400-500 total if you do it this way rather than the MSRP

nataliegrn said:
Where can I find this developer version of the Galaxy Note 4 for Verizon's network? (model SM-N910V)? I called Verizon Wireless and they escalated to managers but couldn't find it.
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Currently it can only be purchased directly through Samsung's Website. I am still new here so I can't post the exact link but you can fill in the blanks.
www samsung com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SM-N910VMKEVZW

Dev Note 4 vs Stock Note 4
Thanks for the info and link!
Let me see if I understand the differences between the dev and stock Note 4 units.
1) If getting the dev Note 4 from Samsung on VZW (part #SM-N910VMKEVZW):
a. Must fill out dev form. LOL! OK, sure, whatever
b. Can freely install any N4 ROM and/or bootloader.
c. OTA will *not* be available from your carrier.
d. Can update ROM from new OTA by getting it from a kind XDA user with same phone (Note 4), no matter the carrier (e.g., from VZW; AT&T), then merge with current ROM.
e. Samsung only carries about 15-20 dev models in stock, so user base is small.
f. It's $700US, versus ~$200 for "stock" Note 4 from carrier w/plan.
g. No warranty, except maybe hardware failure?
h. Don't bother with device insurance, right?
i. Because it can be rooted, a firewall APK can be installed.
j. Truly bricking an unlocked Sammy these days is much less likely, due to robust process, tools, and devices.
k. "Knox" - can VZW detect a rooted device?
l. "Knox" - if VZW detects a rooted device ("yes" to 2k), what can/would they do?
m. "Knox" - is there any way to prevent carrier from creating a problem for your device?
n. If the dev Note 4 is bought, do you just bring it to a VZW store and have them register it as your new cell phone?
2) If getting the Note 4 from Verizon Wireless (part #SM-N910VZKEVZW):
a. As of December 3, EMSpilot *has* found a way to root the Note 4:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/development/definitive-root-deodex-knox-free-t2962545
b. What are the odds that process survive an OTA update? Was this just a fluke?
c. It's about $200US.

nataliegrn said:
Thanks for the info and link!
Let me see if I understand the differences between the dev and stock Note 4 units.
1) If getting the dev Note 4 from Samsung on VZW (part #SM-N910VMKEVZW):
a. Must fill out dev form. LOL! OK, sure, whatever
b. Can freely install any N4 ROM and/or bootloader.
c. OTA will *not* be available from your carrier.
d. Can update ROM from new OTA by getting it from a kind XDA user with same phone (Note 4), no matter the carrier (e.g., from VZW; AT&T), then merge with current ROM.
e. Samsung only carries about 15-20 dev models in stock, so user base is small.
f. It's $700US, versus ~$200 for "stock" Note 4 from carrier w/plan.
g. No warranty, except maybe hardware failure?
h. Don't bother with device insurance, right?
i. Because it can be rooted, a firewall APK can be installed.
j. Truly bricking an unlocked Sammy these days is much less likely, due to robust process, tools, and devices.
k. "Knox" - can VZW detect a rooted device?
l. "Knox" - if VZW detects a rooted device ("yes" to 2k), what can/would they do?
m. "Knox" - is there any way to prevent carrier from creating a problem for your device?
n. If the dev Note 4 is bought, do you just bring it to a VZW store and have them register it as your new cell phone?
2) If getting the Note 4 from Verizon Wireless (part #SM-N910VZKEVZW):
a. As of December 3, EMSpilot *has* found a way to root the Note 4:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/development/definitive-root-deodex-knox-free-t2962545
b. What are the odds that process survive an OTA update? Was this just a fluke?
c. It's about $200US.
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I'm not even going to try to tackle the first set of questions (1.a-n) lol! but the link you posted regarding root for the Verizon retail version is not correct. That link is just for a custom ROM emspilot has developed. There isn't root yet for the AT&T or Verizon models unfortunately.
Edited: reworded "semi-custom" to read "custom". It seemed I was disregarding his work when I re-read my comment and that was not my intention at all.

@nataliegrn: I did see that post as well, and I'm very interested to see the Note 4 root method surface. I did not read that post to imply that @EMSpilot posted a working method to root the Note 4. The OP states that the device model is N910VOYU1ANI1, not the N910VZKEVZW. I read the post to mean that the ROM he developed would feasibly run on a retail version Note 4 which had achieved root and TWRP recovery. If I misread that, or mis-stated in any way, it wasn't intentional. I know that the coders are working it out, it's way over my head. Note 4 root is coming for the VZW retail. There's enough motivation by coders who prefer the overall coverage overlays for VZW networks to warrant their efforts. Anyway, I'm coping with the wait by applying copious amounts of patience. Hope this helped... ^_^
~sDs~

Root Deodex/Knox-Free/Debloated vs semi-custom ROM
Hmm.. So did EMSPilot "simply" download a stock ROM, remove bloat, make some customizations, and install this customized ROM to a stock Note 4?
If so, then could such a "semi-custom" ROM on a non-rooted Note 4 hold any APK/software I want to install - like a firewall? One of the main reasons I want a rooted ROM is to install a firewall, and a few other important packages.

nataliegrn said:
Hmm.. So did EMSPilot "simply" download a stock ROM, remove bloat, make some customizations, and install this customized ROM to a stock Note 4?
If so, then could such a "semi-custom" ROM on a non-rooted Note 4 hold any APK/software I want to install - like a firewall? One of the main reasons I want a rooted ROM is to install a firewall, and a few other important packages.
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I think his ROM is only meant for a Dev edition phone and isn't a method for root (I THINK, but here's hoping I'm wrong! That would be so awesome!). That being said, IF you were able to install it on your phone by some means, then yes you would be able to install any of the normal root or system apps one would normally sideload/install into a rooted device.

If I understand correctly, this ROM is like another Note 4 ROM he has posted. The DE images were lifted from Kies, I believe, then manipulated. IMHO, he's talking about flashing the ROM to a DE device, not a stock one. He stated, in a thread about his other Note 4 ROM, that the ROM could likely/possibly run on a RE Note 4 as long as root was acquired and TWRP recovery was installed. He asserted that he'll develop a SafeStrap version once root has been posted for the RE Note 4.
The conundrum, as usual, is VZW's locked bootloader on the RE version of the device. Same thing happened to the Note 3. However, mere weeks after the US release date, there was a reliable (albeit tedious) root method available. Then came K!ngo root and, finally, Towe|root. IMHO, it won't be long before root is out for the Note 4 as well. I'd wager it'll happen before New Year's. I'll be sniffing around plenty to see what the coders are up to in the meantime. Good luck ^_^
~sDs~

@SscoootzZ sez: "...Note 4 root is coming for the VZW retail...."
Really?! Wow! Every post I've read on new Sammy phones says no more rooting will be possible on retail versions, so a rooted version of a retail phone would be big news.
@brittoking - The most important things I'm looking to understand from that ugly set of questions I posted is:
1. What exactly is this "knox" thing? Sounds bad.
2. If I get a dev version, can I just bring it to a VZW store and ask them to register that phone to my existing VZW #?
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[/COLOR @SscoootzZ OK, you convinced me to wait. It's tough, though, considering LTE on my phone has been unreliable since February, along with other issues. Whoever roots the RE will get donations from me. Let's see... $200 for RE or $700 for DE and no OTA, support, etc.
I'm guessing that OTA's could revoke root, right?

nataliegrn said:
@SscoootzZ sez: "...Note 4 root is coming for the VZW retail...."
Really?! Wow! Every post I've read on new Sammy phones says no more rooting will be possible on retail versions, so a rooted version of a retail phone would be big news.
@brittoking - The most important things I'm looking to understand from that ugly set of questions I posted is:
1. What exactly is this "knox" thing? Sounds bad.
2. If I get a dev version, can I just bring it to a VZW store and ask them to register that phone to my existing VZW #?
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[/COLOR @SscoootzZ OK, you convinced me to wait. It's tough, though, considering LTE on my phone has been unreliable since February, along with other issues. Whoever roots the RE will get donations from me. Let's see... $200 for RE or $700 for DE and no OTA, support, etc.
I'm guessing that OTA's could revoke root, right?
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To answering your two questions: 1) Knox is security software that, in simple/brief terms, detects any attempt to write or access system files. 2) If you get a Developer Edition Note 4 and take it to Verizon store they probably wouldn't know a damn thing about it. The simplest way to register that phone to your existing Verizon number is to insert your current Sim card into the new phone and turn the phone on.
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SscoootzZ said:
If I understand correctly, this ROM is like another Note 4 ROM he has posted. The DE images were lifted from Kies, I believe, then manipulated. IMHO, he's talking about flashing the ROM to a DE device, not a stock one. He stated, in a thread about his other Note 4 ROM, that the ROM could likely/possibly run on a RE Note 4 as long as root was acquired and TWRP recovery was installed. He asserted that he'll develop a SafeStrap version once root has been posted for the RE Note 4.
The conundrum, as usual, is VZW's locked bootloader on the RE version of the device. Same thing happened to the Note 3. However, mere weeks after the US release date, there was a reliable (albeit tedious) root method available. Then came K!ngo root and, finally, Towe|root. IMHO, it won't be long before root is out for the Note 4 as well. I'd wager it'll happen before New Year's. I'll be sniffing around plenty to see what the coders are up to in the meantime. Good luck ^_^
~sDs~
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Maybe I can clarify the discussion here. EMSPilot's ROMs available in the Android Development Section for the Verizon Note 4 are not intended for Retail versions of the Note 4. Neither version of his ROM will root or install a custom recovery on a Retail version of the Note 4. To the best of my knowledge there currently is no method to root a Retail version of the Note 4.
You can root a Developer Edition of the Note 4 two ways: 1) TowelRoot by geohot and 2) Flashing SuperSU in TWRP recovery, after TWRP has been installed via ODIN (and I think there is now a Chainfire/towelroot process for the Developer Edition that will accomplish root and custom recovery (TWRP) but not sure about that).

@jpcalhoun -- Thank you!! Great info!
Is Knox on Developer phones? And if it's "tripped" does it render the phone useless?
If you install a firewall app *without* root, can the firewall block SYSTEM apps?

Knox is on the Developer phone. It can be frozen, deleted or renamed if you have root. I don't know the firewall question, sorry.
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jpcalhoun said:
Knox is on the Developer phone. It can be frozen, deleted or renamed if you have root. I don't know the firewall question, sorry.
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If tripped I'm not sure what happens, lol. I've always had a DE since Samsung started putting Knox on their phones and have always uninstalled it.

I've had my phone for 5 days know installed twrp and root the day I got it. Haven't flashed a room yet I didn't know you had to uninstall Knox. How do you do it freeze it in twrp?

wooddale said:
I've had my phone for 5 days know installed twrp and root the day I got it. Haven't flashed a room yet I didn't know you had to uninstall Knox. How do you do it freeze it in twrp?
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You can freeze it with TiBu, or you can uninstalled it. I just froze mine.
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jpcalhoun said:
You can freeze it with TiBu, or you can uninstalled it. I just froze mine.
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Neither method causes an issue.
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jpcalhoun said:
You can freeze it with TiBu, or you can uninstalled it. I just froze mine.
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Thanks I meant TIBU not twrp lol. Should freeze all three operations or just Knox? I would guess if you freeze Knox. I didn't seem to have any problems before I froze it. What does it do once your unlocked and rooted?
Thanks

wooddale said:
Thanks I meant TIBU not twrp lol. Should freeze all three operations or just Knox? I would guess if you freeze Knox. I didn't seem to have any problems before I froze it. What does it do once your unlocked and rooted?
Thanks
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If it has Knox in its name, freeze it. Unlocking bootloader and/or root has no impact. You won't see a difference.
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Any progress on unlocking the Verizon variant bootloader?

Hi! I'm here with a XT1635-01, the Verizon variant, and as we all know the bootloader is locked to all hell. I'm really looking to flash LOS on here and I was hoping we had some sort of progress.
Here is an article I read today on a supposed bootloader exploit (possibly including the Moto Z 1st-gen series) that allows for a custom boot image to be uploaded into the device RAM without modifying the original boot image. Now, I don't know if this is equal to booting unsigned boot images such as custom recoveries and such, but this may lead us a step closer to at least getting a custom recovery on this device WITHOUT unlocking the bootloader. This can also quite easily allow us to root, although I don't think custom firmware will be supported using this method, as the locked bootloader and FRP will still prevent that from happening.
I'm hoping to do some testing tonight on this theory, but if I'm right, this can open a wide range of possibilities for us. I'm also working on cracking the bootloader at the moment, but that will take much longer. If I could figure out what that third line means in the unlock data (see this post), maybe we can finally have an unlocked bootloader. Until then, shoot me any ideas you guys may have!
If you want to help, please PM me the output of the commands
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fastboot oem get_unlock_data
and
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fastboot getvar all
(P.S. I also had another idea although I'm more skeptical about it. If we could change the CID from 0x0002 to 0x0001 or another supported CID, we could theoretically request the unlock code from Moto assuming that this modifies the output of
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fastboot oem get_unlock_data
to accommodate this change. This is only theoretical, and while it has been previously mentioned by other users, I don't think this method is realistic. As far as my knowledge extends in this plane of Android development, the CID has nothing to do with the bootloader or unlocking it at all, nor do I think it has any effect on the output of that command. Unless the command uses the CID as some sort of keyhash for the third line (also a possibility?), I don't think we will get anywhere with this. Just a thought, though!)

Cool! I hope we find a way. Sounds interesting
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https://www.google.nl/amp/s/forum.x...d-to-flash-twrp-recovery-unlock-t3473294/amp/
Are you referring to this?

SupahCookie said:
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/forum.x...d-to-flash-twrp-recovery-unlock-t3473294/amp/
Are you referring to this?
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I actually looked into this method before I tried anything else, but unless we can find a way to resign a TWRP image with the stock recovery image signature, flashing an entire ROM with the recovery.img replaced with an untouched TWRP image will work but will fail only at the recovery stage, as this bootloader checks not only the signature of the ROM, but it's components as well. I'm doing my best to try and find a bootloader exploit that will allow us to boot into TWRP temporarily, effectively allowing us to permanently flash the TWRP image.
I'm on the December 1st security patch. Try looking for any vulnerability possible with this bootloader and I'll keep working at it. The link in the OP (the article linked at the top of the post) feels like a step in the right direction, but as for how to use this vulnerability for our own devious uses, I am unsure.
Regards,
James

I know how to do it but it costs about $200 per phone. Chances are, developing an exploit will be more costly in time than my solution.

Sounds promising. Hope to hear more about this.

Sell the Verizon version on Swappa for $174, pitch in $56 and buy the Moto version for $230. Problem solved for even less than $200 now.

larsdennert said:
Sell the Verizon version on Swappa for $174, pitch in $56 and buy the Moto version for $230. Problem solved for even less than $200 now.
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Yea I am going to get ~$200 out of mine as it is in Mint condition and I did a little customizing to the UI. When i come around to finding another one of these cheap I will def get non Verizon.
I got mine for only $50 !! The pawn shop thought that the phone's home button didnt work and what they didn't realize is that it is a fingerprint scanner not a home button. Muahahaa.. For once the working guy gets the upperhand with pawnshops. Usually they are screwing you! :good:
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larsdennert said:
Sell the Verizon version on Swappa for $174, pitch in $56 and buy the Moto version for $230. Problem solved for even less than $200 now.
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Hmm post didnt go through.
I guess I am going to sell mine for $200 and then when i come across a non verizon variant for cheap I will buy it and customize it all. I got lucky with mine. I only paid $50!! from a pawnshop who thought that the home button was stuck. What they didn't realize is that wasn't a home button... It was the fingerprint reader. Muahaha. For once the working guy gets the upperhand at a pawn shop and doesn't get screwed like usual. :good:

Great
Finally at least someone with good knowledge and will to work on these phones, seems other have lost hope already, so it's like bootloader's are encrypted? And digging in deep, breaking it seems impossible, I m trying to learn this stuff as I want my device rooted no matter what! These devices have great specs but without root it's not like I m in control of it, I can't test amazing light weight custom ROMs, I hope its not forgotten

Any news about this dudes?

news?

what are the chances of getting root on sm-g960u1?

Hey guys i preordered my s9 and was super excited because my s8 was not able to be rooted due to knox and so was looking forward to trying out some xposed mods and roms..unfortunately ive yet to see anything on how to root the sm-G960U1 variant? Seems odd because its the u.s unlocked which i thought would be more common than carrier locked ones in xda community

The odds are nearly zero. Unless there's an engineering firmware that leaks out. The Snapdragon is locked up tight.

waylo said:
The odds are nearly zero. Unless there's an engineering firmware that leaks out. The Snapdragon is locked up tight.
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True

The engineering firmware for sm-g960u has been leaked... should work on ur or be easy to tweak...

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The engineering firmware for sm-g960u has been leaked... should work on ur or be easy to tweak...
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I know this is old, but I've been trying today to get root on a new sm-g960u1, with no luck at all.
I couldn't even get twrp installed... Would you be able to help me or point me in the right direction?

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PrashannaGP said:
There is no twrp your bootloader is locked. And cannot be unlocked. If you look in the snap dragon dev section you can obtain a system mode root only.
No custom ROMs.
And what is your problem??
I just helped him to install TWRP in custom rom. He was saying that he counldn't install TWRP in his rom.
Don't disturb me without reading the whole problem.
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Well the thread clearly states for g960u1 which is the US model so and your answering with twrp and custom ROMs so if this thread is for g960u1 I'd like to know how you helped him install twrp and or custom rom.
Read the whole problem
I couldn't even get twrp installed... Would you be able to help me or point me in the right direction?
Pretty self explanatory. Unless he thread jacked and has another model

So your telling em your flashing twrp on g960u1 models? That are locked bootloader. No oem unlock. And must only boot signed imgs. Ok I want proof
If this is the case your rich mate.

Ok so I can flash twrp but the device still only boots signed images. WTH. What device are you doing this to
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Again we need pics of this it didn't happen. After the community reads your posts on claims of twrp on g960u1 their gonna be all over you

What model do you have
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You use sp flash tool mate? I thought sp flash tool was for media tek. Lol. Some one got a knock off s9 off wish

You must be stuck in 2012. It's not so simple anymore. Bootloader lock means it's locked regardless of twrp or SuperSU.

Did you truthfully use this method to flash my twrp to your locked bootloader device that is an s9 or s9+?
I'm gonna need some real proof before I believe that from a guy that just created his account 2 days ago and calls himself an Android app developer without a link to his github or gitlab.
I have very serious doubts about your so called method. If it really works as you claim them proof shouldn't be an issue at all to present to everyone.
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Again sp flash tool is for mediatek devices samsung does not have media tek but the crappy clones or knockoffs do. So again where's the proof mate. So your saying you've managed to do what every developer has been trying to do since the s6 maybe further. The u u1 and w devices are fully bootloader locked. There is no flashing twrp. No safe strap you are completely full of crap and Im sure I can speak for many people on xda not wanting your mis information thrown about. You would be a millionaire if you did what you claim as in bypassing a 256 bit encryption signed device.
You need to just quit before some one without knowledge attempts what you claim and bricks their device. It isn't fair to the community that you don't know what your doing making false claims on obviously a device you most definitely do not own. I have all my devices listed in my profile. Why don't you?
You know 45% of android lol.
Just a couple days ago your asking if you can extract a file with 7zip and how many files where in it. Now your a bootloader unlock expert . My hat is off to you good sir

TheMadScientist said:
Again sp flash tool is for mediatek devices samsung does not have media tek but the crappy clones or knockoffs do. So again where's the proof mate. So your saying you've managed to do what every developer has been trying to do since the s6 maybe further. The u u1 and w devices are fully bootloader locked. There is no flashing twrp. No safe strap you are completely full of crap and Im sure I can speak for many people on xda not wanting your mis information thrown about. You would be a millionaire if you did what you claim as in bypassing a 256 bit encryption signed device.
You need to just quit before some one without knowledge attempts what you claim and bricks their device. It isn't fair to the community that you don't know what your doing making false claims on obviously a device you most definitely do not own. I have all my devices listed in my profile. Why don't you?
You know 45% of android lol.
Just a couple days ago your asking if you can extract a file with 7zip and how many files where in it. Now your a bootloader unlock expert . My hat is off to you good sir
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He's just a quick study and hasn't updated his profile to knowing 100% of Android yet.
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Thread Cleaned
Hey folks, Just wanted to remind everyone that always ensure you do your research for what you choose to do to your device and also make sure as best you can that whatever modifications you attempt to make are backed up by evidence of success or proof of concept and there is some type of documentation. The last thing we want to see is a new help thread because someone flashed something and damaged their device. Always do your homework and always check for credibility too of said files and members.
If you see anything that looks off, please report it and avoid any conflict or confrontations out here. Good job folks and stay safe and stay home if you can!
-Negan