So, Microsoft just announced Windows 10 on ARM. But not just some stripped down, Windows Phone/RT variant, like W10M. This is full Windows 10.
It also has support for the full x86 win32 library of applications, with some emulation magic that they put in, which appears to run blazingly fast somehow.
What an incredible feat this emulation is.
But my question is: What does this mean for us, Windows RT users?
I want to put this in the Windows RT Development and Hacking section, but I haven't made enough posts n stuff
Nothing at all. The announcement is Windows 10 for ARM64, which is of no use to Windows RT devices, that use 32-bit ARM v7.
I am hoping this will mean a new non-Pro Surface with Windows 10 ARM will be coming. But yeah, nothing for Windows RT devices.
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Wack0Distractor said:
Nothing at all. The announcement is Windows 10 for ARM64, which is of no use to Windows RT devices, that use 32-bit ARM v7.
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Shame. But is there a possible way that we could maybe make it run? How different is the architecture? How hard would it be? Would they make an edition for ARM32?
Our WinRT tablets are finished with when it comes to any further work.
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today I talked about the RT OS with ffriends.Suddenly one said that win8 os pad can run on Windows RT and a RT OS PAD can run on win8 x86！！he is joking ！！Besides，he said he did that successfully for many times。。。。。
seven7xiaoyang said:
today I talked about the RT OS with ffriends.Suddenly one said that win8 os pad can run on Windows RT and a RT OS PAD can run on win8 x86！！he is joking ！！Besides，he said he did that successfully for many times。。。。。
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No it cannot. Your friend clearly lacks the common knowledge that RT is for ARM and windows 8 is for x86. Round pegs do not fit square holes.
I can't really understand your English; did you mean "app" where you wrote "pad"? The fact that Win8 and WRT share apps is well known; there are a few apps which are only for one platform or the other but almost all the apps are available for both. Native code apps need to be recompiled for the other platform, but managed (.NET) and HTML5 apps will run un-modified. This is not news.
If you mean the ability to run some x86 desktop apps unmodified on Windows RT, that's due to mamaich's emulation layer, combined with clrokr's "jailbreak" exploit (and usually netham45's scripts to automate the process). Relatively few apps run correctly through that emulation layer, though, and the new Windows Store apps are not supported. There is no support that I'm aware of for running ARM-compiled Windows apps on x86, although ARM emulators certainly do exist and if you could boot Windows RT on one of them, that would allow you to run the apps (somewhat indirectly).
If you mean actually installing Win8 (or any other x86 OS) on Windows RT, that's technically possible through the use of emulators (not sure DOSbox supports enough CPU features for Win8, but Bochs probably does) but the performance is abysmal.
GoodDayToDie said:
I can't really understand your English; did you mean "app" where you wrote "pad"? The fact that Win8 and WRT share apps is well known; there are a few apps which are only for one platform or the other but almost all the apps are available for both. Native code apps need to be recompiled for the other platform, but managed (.NET) and HTML5 apps will run un-modified. This is not news.
If you mean the ability to run some x86 desktop apps unmodified on Windows RT, that's due to mamaich's emulation layer, combined with clrokr's "jailbreak" exploit (and usually netham45's scripts to automate the process). Relatively few apps run correctly through that emulation layer, though, and the new Windows Store apps are not supported. There is no support that I'm aware of for running ARM-compiled Windows apps on x86, although ARM emulators certainly do exist and if you could boot Windows RT on one of them, that would allow you to run the apps (somewhat indirectly).
If you mean actually installing Win8 (or any other x86 OS) on Windows RT, that's technically possible through the use of emulators (not sure DOSbox supports enough CPU features for Win8, but Bochs probably does) but the performance is abysmal.
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sorry for my poor English!:crying:.I meant the os not the APP
seven7xiaoyang said:
sorry for my poor English!:crying:.I meant the os not the APP
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You cannot install Windows 8 x86 directly onto Windows RT hardware. It doesn't work.
You probably saw someone RDPing to an x86 desktop.
netham45 said:
You cannot install Windows 8 x86 directly onto Windows RT hardware. It doesn't work.
You probably saw someone RDPing to an x86 desktop.
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Thank you! I am thinking about the sideloadling the appx,hope for some help
OK, I'm still not sure what you're talking about - just a couple posts up, you said you weren't talking about apps, and now you're talking about .APPX files - but as was mentioned above, most APPX files will be architecture independent (managed code or HTML5); only the native code ones will need different .APPX files for Win8 and RT.
I just wondered if you could install Windows 8.1 on a tablet running Windows 8.1 RT?
No.
Are you sure? I have seen people how has done it
Håvi said:
Are you sure? I have seen people how has done it
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You havent. Windows 8.1 is for x86 processors. Windows RT 8.1 is for ARM. 2 are completely incompatible.
Yeah, even if you had a jailbreak for 8.1, it's (blatantly obviously, to anybody who knows the first thing about CPU instructions sets) not possible. The closest you could come would be installing Win8.1 in an x86 emulator. This is technically possible - for example, you can run Linux in an x86 emulator (built using JavaScript, of all things); http://bellard.org/jslinux - but it's slow as hell and the tablets don't really have enough resources (RAM, etc.) to make it practical even if the speed was great enough to be useful. Oh, and there isn't any jailbreak for 8.1 released yet so far as I know anyhow.
Ok so I am a little confused on this can someone please explain to me if I can run any other apps or software on my Lumina 2520 Tablet 8.1 besides Windows RT ? A was almost positive I could but now I see that I may of been misunderstanding.
Windows RT is an operating system. The version that comes on the Lumia 2520 is Windows RT 8.1. You cannot run any other OS on the Lumia 2520 at this time.
WinRT is an API used to create apps that run on Windows 8, Windows RT, and Windows Phone 8. These apps are commonly called "Metro" or "Modern" apps.
*At this time* there is no published way to run non-Modern software on RT 8.1, which means no way to do so on a Lumia 2520. Windows RT 8.0 has a working "jailbreak: hack that removes the restriction against third-party "desktop" software, although programs still need to be able to run on ARM processors (which usually requires rebuilding them from source code). There is a jailbreak for RT 8.1 coming, but I cannot offer any information on when it will be available. Even when it is, you will still only be able to use a small subset of the software available for x86 Windows.
GoodDayToDie said:
Windows RT is an operating system. The version that comes on the Lumia 2520 is Windows RT 8.1. You cannot run any other OS on the Lumia 2520 at this time.
WinRT is an API used to create apps that run on Windows 8, Windows RT, and Windows Phone 8. These apps are commonly called "Metro" or "Modern" apps.
*At this time* there is no published way to run non-Modern software on RT 8.1, which means no way to do so on a Lumia 2520. Windows RT 8.0 has a working "jailbreak: hack that removes the restriction against third-party "desktop" software, although programs still need to be able to run on ARM processors (which usually requires rebuilding them from source code). There is a jailbreak for RT 8.1 coming, but I cannot offer any information on when it will be available. Even when it is, you will still only be able to use a small subset of the software available for x86 Windows.
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Thank you for your detailed explanation. It cleared everything up for me.
If you guys haven't heart about it: neverware.com
I have already installed it on old laptops. I wonder if I can do the same for the Surface RT? Is it possible through hacking, etc.?
ccoltmanm said:
If you guys haven't heart about it: neverware.com
I have already installed it on old laptops. I wonder if I can do the same for the Surface RT? Is it possible through hacking, etc.?
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Only if it has support for ARM. We don't even have secure boot unlocked yet, so this isn't even close to possible until then. why don't you work on getting the secure boot unlocked? or work on porting apps to RT 8.1
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Windows 10 iot working on Windows RT
I was doing some searching the other day and came across a post on twitter where someone has managed to install Windows 10 iot for the Raspberry PI onto a Windows RT. Not sure if this is old news but, was thinking this could open some doors for progression on a fully working windows 10 rom.
Microsoft just announced Windows 10 S, a version of Windows based that's focused on Security and Speed. This version of Windows can't run .exe app, but can run things on the Windows Store. With this newer Windows 10 S, would It be hard for them to port it over to the older ARMv7 because there are alot more Windows 10 Store apps than there are Windows 8 store apps, and it might actually make me get a Surface 2 for on the side stuff.
Its possible Win10S will get ported and someone will figure out how to upgrade our RT devices with it..
But not yet as far as I can tell. Although someone got Win10 iOT with some work on the RT systems.
Possibly yes: https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2017/06/23/windows_10_leak/
Isn't windows 10 S only for arm64? Windows RT devices are 32-bit arm
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