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can't jailbreak windows rt on samsung ativ tab

Hi all,
I ended up downloading all the versions of the RT Jailbreak tool but still haven't succeeded to jailbreak windows RT on my Samsung Ativ Tab.
Any idea what could be the problem?
When I press volume down, it crashes and displays the blue screen with the REFERENCE_BY_POINTER error.
I installed all the updates, gave it about one to two minutes each time I ran it but still couldn't jailbreak.
I even restored the tab to factory settings but the jailbreak tool still fails.
Anyone who has done it on the ativ tab?

crackero said:
Hi all,
I ended up downloading all the versions of the RT Jailbreak tool but still haven't succeeded to jailbreak windows RT on my Samsung Ativ Tab.
Any idea what could be the problem?
When I press volume down, it crashes and displays the blue screen with the REFERENCE_BY_POINTER error.
I installed all the updates, gave it about one to two minutes each time I ran it but still couldn't jailbreak.
I even restored the tab to factory settings but the jailbreak tool still fails.
Anyone who has done it on the ativ tab?
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Jailbreak? Do you mean trying to get past the required purchase of Windows? That sort of thing is not allowed on this site.
What exactly is "jailbreak" for an RT?

stevedebi said:
Jailbreak? Do you mean trying to get past the required purchase of Windows? That sort of thing is not allowed on this site.
What exactly is "jailbreak" for an RT?
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No, it's not that at all.
It's a way to allow for running programs compiled for ARM that are not signed by Microsoft directly. Without a jailbreak, you can only run apps that have the Microsoft signing.
There's a big thread about the jailbreak, and then apps that have been recompiled but aren't signed by MS so they require the jailbreak to run.
RT Jailbreak Tool
Desktop Apps Ported to RT
OP should ask in the RT jailbreak thread.

goofball2k said:
No, it's not that at all.
It's a way to allow for running programs compiled for ARM that are not signed by Microsoft directly. Without a jailbreak, you can only run apps that have the Microsoft signing.
There's a big thread about the jailbreak, and then apps that have been recompiled but aren't signed by MS so they require the jailbreak to run.
RT Jailbreak Tool
Desktop Apps Ported to RT
OP should ask in the RT jailbreak thread.
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I have a Samsung ATIV Tablet and AFAIK, all ATIV tabs run the Intel Clovertrail - that is an x86 machine - is the OP sure that he even has RT. ATIV comes with Windows 8

docfreed said:
I have a Samsung ATIV Tablet and AFAIK, all ATIV tabs run the Intel Clovertrail - that is an x86 machine - is the OP sure that he even has RT. ATIV comes with Windows 8
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http://www.samsung.com/global/ativ/ativ_tab.html
There are some that run RT. I think the Tab's are the ones that run RT, the ATIV Smart are the ones that run x86.

goofball2k said:
http://www.samsung.com/global/ativ/ativ_tab.html
There are some that run RT. I think the Tab's are the ones that run RT, the ATIV Smart are the ones that run x86.
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OK - mine's a SmartPC Pro - runs Win8

[Q] Windows 8 apps compatibility

I'm a newbee to RT, so please forgive me if this has been asked/answered elsewhere.
I thought that if a developer writes a metro app for Windows 8 it will automatically run on both Windows 8 and Windows 8 RT. I found a situation where this may not be true.
I just picked up a Dell XPS 10 after using Windows 8 on my desktop and a Lenovo Twist. On my Twist and desktop I've been running an app called "Trackage." I like it and wanted to try it on the XPS 10, but a search for the name does not return it as available on RT.
Is there a reason for this? Can someone explain for me?
Thanks in advance,
Rich

Although the vast majority of metro apps will run fine on both systems, the developer does maintain the ability to restrict an app from one platform or another for whatever reason.
It is entirely possible that the trackage developer has deliberately made his/her app unavailable on Windows RT.
There are very few reasons for doing that on metro apps, but clearly its occurred sadly.
I would see if you can find the website for the app and make a feature request.

Thank you very much. That was very helpful!

RT runs on ARM processors, which execute different code than the x86 processors used for traditional Windows systems. Many Metro apps are architecture-independent, meaning they are written in a language that is higher-level than actual machine code and are converted to machine code for whatever CPU they are on when you first run them. However, some Metro apps are written in C/C++, which compiles directly to machine code. Although it is possible to make it compile to ARM in most cases, such apps are not automatically supported on ARM the way other apps are.

some apps cannot run on RT and only on win8

[Q] I saw an amazing thing! win8 x86 can be installed on RT

today I talked about the RT OS with ffriends.Suddenly one said that win8 os pad can run on Windows RT and a RT OS PAD can run on win8 x86！！he is joking ！！Besides，he said he did that successfully for many times。。。。。

seven7xiaoyang said:
today I talked about the RT OS with ffriends.Suddenly one said that win8 os pad can run on Windows RT and a RT OS PAD can run on win8 x86！！he is joking ！！Besides，he said he did that successfully for many times。。。。。
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No it cannot. Your friend clearly lacks the common knowledge that RT is for ARM and windows 8 is for x86. Round pegs do not fit square holes.

I can't really understand your English; did you mean "app" where you wrote "pad"? The fact that Win8 and WRT share apps is well known; there are a few apps which are only for one platform or the other but almost all the apps are available for both. Native code apps need to be recompiled for the other platform, but managed (.NET) and HTML5 apps will run un-modified. This is not news.
If you mean the ability to run some x86 desktop apps unmodified on Windows RT, that's due to mamaich's emulation layer, combined with clrokr's "jailbreak" exploit (and usually netham45's scripts to automate the process). Relatively few apps run correctly through that emulation layer, though, and the new Windows Store apps are not supported. There is no support that I'm aware of for running ARM-compiled Windows apps on x86, although ARM emulators certainly do exist and if you could boot Windows RT on one of them, that would allow you to run the apps (somewhat indirectly).
If you mean actually installing Win8 (or any other x86 OS) on Windows RT, that's technically possible through the use of emulators (not sure DOSbox supports enough CPU features for Win8, but Bochs probably does) but the performance is abysmal.

GoodDayToDie said:
I can't really understand your English; did you mean "app" where you wrote "pad"? The fact that Win8 and WRT share apps is well known; there are a few apps which are only for one platform or the other but almost all the apps are available for both. Native code apps need to be recompiled for the other platform, but managed (.NET) and HTML5 apps will run un-modified. This is not news.
If you mean the ability to run some x86 desktop apps unmodified on Windows RT, that's due to mamaich's emulation layer, combined with clrokr's "jailbreak" exploit (and usually netham45's scripts to automate the process). Relatively few apps run correctly through that emulation layer, though, and the new Windows Store apps are not supported. There is no support that I'm aware of for running ARM-compiled Windows apps on x86, although ARM emulators certainly do exist and if you could boot Windows RT on one of them, that would allow you to run the apps (somewhat indirectly).
If you mean actually installing Win8 (or any other x86 OS) on Windows RT, that's technically possible through the use of emulators (not sure DOSbox supports enough CPU features for Win8, but Bochs probably does) but the performance is abysmal.
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sorry for my poor English!:crying:.I meant the os not the APP

seven7xiaoyang said:
sorry for my poor English!:crying:.I meant the os not the APP
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You cannot install Windows 8 x86 directly onto Windows RT hardware. It doesn't work.
You probably saw someone RDPing to an x86 desktop.

netham45 said:
You cannot install Windows 8 x86 directly onto Windows RT hardware. It doesn't work.
You probably saw someone RDPing to an x86 desktop.
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Thank you! I am thinking about the sideloadling the appx,hope for some help

OK, I'm still not sure what you're talking about - just a couple posts up, you said you weren't talking about apps, and now you're talking about .APPX files - but as was mentioned above, most APPX files will be architecture independent (managed code or HTML5); only the native code ones will need different .APPX files for Win8 and RT.

[Q] Windows 8.1 on Windows 8.1 RT Tablet

I just wondered if you could install Windows 8.1 on a tablet running Windows 8.1 RT?

No.

Are you sure? I have seen people how has done it

Håvi said:
Are you sure? I have seen people how has done it
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You havent. Windows 8.1 is for x86 processors. Windows RT 8.1 is for ARM. 2 are completely incompatible.

Yeah, even if you had a jailbreak for 8.1, it's (blatantly obviously, to anybody who knows the first thing about CPU instructions sets) not possible. The closest you could come would be installing Win8.1 in an x86 emulator. This is technically possible - for example, you can run Linux in an x86 emulator (built using JavaScript, of all things); http://bellard.org/jslinux - but it's slow as hell and the tablets don't really have enough resources (RAM, etc.) to make it practical even if the speed was great enough to be useful. Oh, and there isn't any jailbreak for 8.1 released yet so far as I know anyhow.

Full Windows 10 on Windows RT devices - Now Possible?

So, Microsoft just announced Windows 10 on ARM. But not just some stripped down, Windows Phone/RT variant, like W10M. This is full Windows 10.
It also has support for the full x86 win32 library of applications, with some emulation magic that they put in, which appears to run blazingly fast somehow.
What an incredible feat this emulation is.
But my question is: What does this mean for us, Windows RT users?
I want to put this in the Windows RT Development and Hacking section, but I haven't made enough posts n stuff

Nothing at all. The announcement is Windows 10 for ARM64, which is of no use to Windows RT devices, that use 32-bit ARM v7.

I am hoping this will mean a new non-Pro Surface with Windows 10 ARM will be coming. But yeah, nothing for Windows RT devices.

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Wack0Distractor said:
Nothing at all. The announcement is Windows 10 for ARM64, which is of no use to Windows RT devices, that use 32-bit ARM v7.
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Shame. But is there a possible way that we could maybe make it run? How different is the architecture? How hard would it be? Would they make an edition for ARM32?

Our WinRT tablets are finished with when it comes to any further work.
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