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32gb or 16gb

Hey guys
I am considering getting the G3 and theres about £50 difference between 32 and 16gb version, is the 3gb/32gb actually worth it? Seen some tests and the difference was hardly noticable...anybody has any experience with both versions and could compare?
Thanks!

I don't have the link handy but a review was done with both versions, and the benchmarks were nearly the same. With microsd support, I'd see no reason just for another 1gb of ram personally.
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Every android phone I've ever had from 256kb to 2gb has eventually needed more memory. More memory means you can run more, cache more and be future proof. If your only keeping the phone for a year, then 2gb will probably be fine, if keeping for 2 years then I would get the 3gb version

Not exactly sure what 50 euros is in usd but if it's any where from 50-100 it's well worth it imo, especially since you get a sdcard & ram upgrade.
2gb ram has been the flagship standard for a while now, my HTC one gets pretty close to full ram usage at some points. More ram guarantees smooth performance for heavy usage as well as future proof specs, and don't forget the g3 has that qhd resolution and once higher (than 1080p) resolution videos become more common you'll be glad you went with the extra ram.

well the 16gb version, not sure what batch is it and where is it imported from(assuming Korea) goes for 1950 PLN = 373.8150 GBP according to google while the 32gb version which is imported from Korea goes for 2250 PLN = 431.3250 GBP so yeah not a big difference but still.
The thing is that I dont really play games on a mobile, most of the time I would just use it for browsing, mail, facebook, gps/maps, apps and camera damn, decisions decisions...

cez10 said:
well the 16gb version, not sure what batch is it and where is it imported from(assuming Korea) goes for 1950 PLN = 373.8150 GBP according to google while the 32gb version which is imported from Korea goes for 2250 PLN = 431.3250 GBP so yeah not a big difference but still.
The thing is that I dont really play games on a mobile, most of the time I would just use it for browsing, mail, facebook, gps/maps, apps and camera damn, decisions decisions...
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Well i never had the choice... Only 16gb was available in UK. I would defo spend another 50 quid to get extra storage... You're planning to spend a lot of money already so extra 300pln is not that bad isn't?
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Personally I would just save the money and buy the 16gb and get a massive SD Card instead. I doubt there is any noticeable difference in performance unless you have a gizillion apps open at the same time. In fact I remember reading an article where an LG employee says the phone is optimised to run on 2GB RAM.
The only reason I can think of to get the 32GB version is if you do not plan on getting an SD Card, then the extra storage is definately worth it. And maybe resale value will be higher...

szqnl said:
Personally I would just save the money and buy the 16gb and get a massive SD Card instead. I doubt there is any noticeable difference in performance unless you have a gizillion apps open at the same time. In fact I remember reading an article where an LG employee says the phone is optimised to run on 2GB RAM.
The only reason I can think of to get the 32GB version is if you do not plan on getting an SD Card, then the extra storage is definately worth it. And maybe resale value will be higher...
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I think the extra on board storage is, now, very important as, in the up to date google builds, moving app data to sd is very restricted.

bobsie41 said:
I think the extra on board storage is, now, very important as, in the up to date google builds, moving app data to sd is very restricted.
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Unless you root...
But even so, internal storage is better than SD card for many reason (ease of use, speed)
I picked the 32GB from Germany, very happy I did so.

Get the one with 3gb ram, I can't believe they are still releasing phones with 2gb ram.
I have a Z1 and since I started using a custom launcher whenever I have some apps open and press the home button the homescreen redraws and it's not nearly as quick as before.
Also some apps don't stay cached when I reopen them.
The G3 with its massive resolution should eat even more ram.
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I've just read a review here http://pclab.pl/art58419-7.html where they've tested the 2gb version and said it lags a lot, the CPU and GPU gets hot a lot, that it would be better if there was full HD than QHD, that the screen dims weirdly and that the screen gets this weird sharpening effect....
christ I dont know what to do :/ z2 is nice but it has a lot of issues, one's camera isnt good enough these days, g3 3gb is probably most future proof but the more I read about it the more doubts I get...

bobsie41 said:
I think the extra on board storage is, now, very important as, in the up to date google builds, moving app data to sd is very restricted.
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True, guess it depends on what you use your phone for. I don't do any gaming so the app data space isn't that large.
If the difference in price is ok then it makes sense to get the 32GB I suppose. Here in Singapore, only the 32GB version is available and only S$755 sim-free which is relatively cheap for a new flagship phone.
I'm still deciding whether to get this or the G2 which is only S$520 now!

I'm planning to buy the 32gb version. What I like to know is if the custom roms will be different or will they all be suitable for this version?

G3 the 16 or 32 GB
cez10 said:
Hey guys
I am considering getting the G3 and theres about £50 difference between 32 and 16gb version, is the 3gb/32gb actually worth it? Seen some tests and the difference was hardly noticable...anybody has any experience with both versions and could compare?
Thanks!
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Hi,
I have got both phones at the moment (Model D855) and I would strongly suggest you spend the the extra few bucks on tthe 32GB phone. Not as much for the ROM but for the RAM. Today I have installed the same apps on both phobes after rooting them and installing TWRP recovery and the difference is very obvious especially when having several apps open in the background. Although many phones could do perefctly with the amount of RAM the 16 GB model offers, I think there is a difference in this phonbes screen specs. This fabulous screen asks a lot of capacity which I think is the reason the 16 GB version gets very leggy. It's better if you reboot every now and then but I recon you'd get very anoyed at having to do that 3 times a day.
The price difference is big enough to go for the 16 GB version. You'll most prbably regret in a few months.

I have the 2 GB version no problem
Screen is good no heating problems
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I have the 16g d855 my phone now runs at 300mb free ram i bought it for 380 euro and the 32gb was for 500+ so the difference was big. So if you have that money go for 32 a test on youtube on benchmarking both versions shows that 32gb is 5-7% faster and the results proofs that.
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What version should I Buy?

Hi, I would like to buy the cheap version (2GB RAM 16GB ROM) but I am afraid not to have a community to help me to "improve" it.
What I need is basically some future update and very important be able to root it.
What do u suggest?

There isn't one

roebling said:
There isn't one
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Why?
PS: I had to edit it cuz it missed "rooted".

GSM-Arena says the minimum RAM is 3 GB and the minimum storage is 32 GB, max is 4 GB and 128 GB and that's what I relied on. But then somewhere else I saw the specs you mentioned. I know Android hasn't used SD card memory well in the past. Music and apps and DRM-protected downloads were tied to internal memory and so 32 GB of internal memory was a minimum for me. But since Marshmallow those limits on SD storage are (supposedly) lifted and/or debugged.
So, I dunno. Try it, buying from a place that allows returns, and post what happens.
(GSM-Arena Xiaomi Mi Max page: http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_max-8057.php)

e753 said:
Hi, I would like to buy the cheap version (2GB RAM 16GB ROM) but I am afraid not to have a community to help me to "improve" it.
What I need is basically some future update and very important be able to root it.
What do u suggest?
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I have the 2gb version. But I don't understand your question.

Qayin said:
I have the 2gb version. But I don't understand your question.
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Sorry for my english!
I saw a lot of post about Helium and Hydrogen but no one for the 2GB version. I am afraid to buy it and not be able to find a way to root it or flash a new rom (eg Cyanogen)...

e753 said:
Sorry for my english!
I saw a lot of post about Helium and Hydrogen but no one for the 2GB version. I am afraid to buy it and not be able to find a way to root it or flash a new rom (eg Cyanogen)...
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I'm not going to root mines any. But I haven't found any support forums. But I'm sure it'll happen

I would go with the 32 GB version as youâ??ll get 1 extra gig of ram. Miui used quite a bit of it. I run mi max with miui 8 beta. Phone has been on for about a day. And I've got about 600 GB of ram free. I don't really use ram cleaner as it can mess with Androids memory managment. With two gigs of ram I think there will be more apps that get purged from memory i.e worse multitasking. Also the extra storage is kind of sweet.
I would not go for the snapdragon 652. Even though its a beast. Remember that its a bigLittle SoC. So during normal operation the 4x a53 cores will do most of the work. The two extra a72 cores wont really make that much of a difference. Games are still single threaded.. The only motivation is the 4gb of ram and the bigger e-penis.

3gb vs 4gb

I'm thinking of buying the 5s but do we really need 4gb? Will it be slow on 3gb over 2-3 years?

Good question. I personally went with 3 because it was cheaper and I normally only have my browser, facebook, facebook messenger, and another app opened. I tend to close everything else.

i think 3gb is enough.

I think I'll go for the 3gb as the pixel phones will be expensive. Would have gone to 4gb if rumoured specs were real i.e 3495 mah battery and OIS. Very strange that they didn't include OIS with such a good camera.

I'll go for 4gb, cause that one includes touch sensitive screen, ie how hard you press the screen

Drowzz said:
I'll go for 4gb, cause that one includes touch sensitive screen, ie how hard you press the screen
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Same here!

ermacwins said:
I think I'll go for the 3gb as the pixel phones will be expensive. Would have gone to 4gb if rumoured specs were real i.e 3495 mah battery and OIS. Very strange that they didn't include OIS with such a good camera.
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You can't put OIS on that big sensor my friend.

Drowzz said:
I'll go for 4gb, cause that one includes touch sensitive screen, ie how hard you press the screen
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saw that the nougat firmware has pressure sensitive features hidden under the hood. pressure sensitive screen might be useful in the future

i'm using xiaomi mi5s 4gb model
it has 4gb ram, but system uses 1.7gb, so we can use only 2.3gb
in 3gb, it will 1.3gb

I would recommend 4GB cause when I am running lots of apps on my Mi 5 3gb (has same ram type), it can slow down and run out of ram.

Doubts about A3 2017 storage space

Hi,
I wanna buy this cellphone but I'm a little worried because reviews say that out of the 16 GB of space, only a little more than 9 are available for the user, which seems a little low to install apps and a few games. How's your experience with this phone's storage?
Cheers!

actualy its more like about 5,5 to me

nekos95 said:
actualy its more like about 5,5 to me
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Really?? That's bad...

Yeah, 16 GB is terrible in 2017 to be honest. If there isn't a 32 GB model then I'd consider jumping to the A5 2017 because I know for sure that has a 32 GB model, it's 5.2 inches instead of the A3's 4.7 inches which is a normal sized phone these days and is easy to handle, it's not that much more expensive than the A3, and it has much better specs including 3 GB of RAM instead of the 2 GB the A3 has. Trust me, 2 GB of RAM and 16 GB of internal storage just isn't good enough for apps in 2017 and it'll start to lag in a few months (even my A5 stutters sometimes).
But if you still end up with an A3, you should know that it does come with a microSD card slot for expandable storage so you can move some of your apps to your SD card (games are usually movable), and if you ever plan to root your phone one day, you can move all your apps to your SD card.

xHovercraft said:
Yeah, 16 GB is terrible in 2017 to be honest. If there isn't a 32 GB model then I'd consider jumping to the A5 2017 because I know for sure that has a 32 GB model, it's 5.2 inches instead of the A3's 4.7 inches which is a normal sized phone these days and is easy to handle, it's not that much more expensive than the A3, and it has much better specs including 3 GB of RAM instead of the 2 GB the A3 has. Trust me, 2 GB of RAM and 16 GB of internal storage just isn't good enough for apps in 2017 and it'll start to lag in a few months (even my A5 stutters sometimes).
But if you still end up with an A3, you should know that it does come with a microSD card slot for expandable storage so you can move some of your apps to your SD card (games are usually movable), and if you ever plan to root your phone one day, you can move all your apps to your SD card.
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It's actually the size of the phone (along with the price) that makes me wanna go for it (I love mini phones), but it's great to know that I can move apps to the SD card.

RangoX said:
Really?? That's bad...
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yep couldnt stay like this without root

RangoX said:
It's actually the size of the phone (along with the price) that makes me wanna go for it (I love mini phones), but it's great to know that I can move apps to the SD card.
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I think you should be taking specs into consideration more because the A3 is seriously weak in all departments (not just storage, but camera, performance, etc.). I'd recommend going for the iPhone SE if you really want a smaller phone or the Pixel at 5 inches maybe for a phone that's fantastic in all departments at a size that isn't that much bigger than the A3 (just 0.3 inches larger which you really won't notice after using the phone for a few minutes).
I'm just saying, the A3 won't last you a year and a half without becoming a slow nightmare. If you have the money you should definitely go for the iPhone SE or a Pixel which will last you two or three years before it starts becoming a hassle to deal with as those are actually quality compact phones while the A3 is more of a smaller, lower quality version of an already budget phone (the A5 2017).

Have had A3 2017 for 6 months and have to agree with above - don't bother! Was tempted by small size and price and battery life. But storage is always full despite only a handful of apps on it and photos, apps, videos being all on SD card. Useless.

the phone hardware is awesome for its price tag and it is a small phone that fits into our pockets.
i just got a new a3 2017 phone, which comes with lots of bloatware and there is no way to uninstall (not disable) them easily.
the development community has yet embraced this phone meaning, there is no official lineageos release for this phone and the same goes for twrp ([here is unofficial one][1]) and even the famous odin tool for flashing, supports only windows (guess i will have to use [heimdall][2]).
after playing with the phone for a day, i can tell that i really miss the following features:
- dark theme (with lineageos we could easily replace the builtin theme)
- vibration feedback (do not want to get a special keyboard application like swype to do the trick, as i want it system wide)
- haptic feedback for capacitive buttons (do not want to get a special application like [vibeonkey][3] to do the trick, as i want it system wide)
now that lineageos reached 15.1 maybe some of the guru developers here could provide us with an unofficial (not buggy) release of lineage 15.1.
i do not mind to get lineage 14.1 working, as it is better than the nougat version that was released by samsung.
ps, regarding the storage and in case you missed it, just use an sdcard or whatever this phone supports.
Code:
[1]: https://forum.xda-developers.com/samsung-a-series-2017/development/recovery-a3-2017-t3758969#post75786071
[2]: https://glassechidna.com.au/heimdall/
[3]: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-vibeonkey-add-vibration-to-hardware-t3611532

i went on all android distribution and non has a working rom for the a3 2017...
there is no adoption to this phone, although it has a great hardware which fits into my jeans pockets.
if anyonw has another working rom for this device, please state so

oopsy, how can i delete it?

RangoX said:
Hi,
I wanna buy this cellphone but I'm a little worried because reviews say that out of the 16 GB of space, only a little more than 9 are available for the user, which seems a little low to install apps and a few games. How's your experience with this phone's storage?
Cheers!
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even after rooting the phone, i couldn't delete (not disable or hide) to reclaim space and i tried many free apps that suppose to do that.
are you familiar with any application that truly delete the system application?

this is how i finally deleted the bloatware:
1. root the device i used this twrp.
2. use titanium backup but before that do this
update, checkout this thread

16 GB RAM vs. 12 GB RAM - any real benefits?

Just wanted to catch your opinion on the real benefits of buying the 16 GB variant as opposed to 12 GB model. Make abstraction of the storage capacity increase, just assume that you don't really need 512 GB as long as you have expandable storage (via microSD) to use if really needed.
I am thinking of arguments justifying the additional RAM increase, considering that 12 GB is already more than enough for multitasking., even for running 2-3 RAM-intensive games at the same time
Looking forward to your opinions! :good: Thank you!

More ram - better dex experience?
Better for "locking apps" in the ram (new feature I guess for s20 series).
Smoother gaming?
Better for recording 8k?
More ram for buffing video?
Buffing online radio?

20degrees said:
More ram - better dex experience?
Better for "locking apps" in the ram (new feature I guess for s20 series).
Smoother gaming?
Better for recording 8k?
More ram for buffing video?
Buffing online radio?
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Is the "locking apps" feature available for all S20 phones? Someone in the YouTube's had mentioned it was an ultra exclusive. Lots of times those guys are wrong though.

chetly968 said:
Is the "locking apps" feature available for all S20 phones? Someone in the YouTube's had mentioned it was an ultra exclusive. Lots of times those guys are wrong though.
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Not sure. I'm getting the ultra so I couldn't care less. ?

20degrees said:
Not sure. I'm getting the ultra so I couldn't care less.
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So are you getting the 16 GB version?

katolink said:
So are you getting the 16 GB version?
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Oh yeah. I wish they offered a 1tb version. I'd be all over that.

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Oh yeah. I wish they offered a 1tb version. I'd be all over that.
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Ok, but assuming that you don't run 2 games at a time, or use dex at the same time with 8K recording, or buffing online radio.... is the incremental 4 GB really worth buying? I mean obviously this depends on real world usage, but still...

katolink said:
Ok, but assuming that you don't run 2 games at a time, or use dex at the same time with 8K recording, or buffing online radio.... is the incremental 4 GB really worth buying? I mean obviously this depends on real world usage, but still...
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Likely not worth it?
Also would depend how long you keep the phone? More ram would be a better future proofing option?

20degrees said:
Likely not worth it?
Also would depend how long you keep the phone? More ram would be a better future proofing option?
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Right point here. Future-proofing on this hardware is very tempting and viable.
I guess the real question is: if, let's say, you record 8K or buff high res video or run dex or play a high demanding game, BUT one at a time, with no superposition between such memory/processor-hungry apps, will the phone perform faster/smoother/more efficiently (battery-wise) in the 16 GB config, as opposed to 12 GB setup? Ignoring multitasking, focusing on single-tasking.

katolink said:
Right point here. Future-proofing on this hardware is very tempting and viable.
I guess the real question is: if, let's say, you record 8K or buff high res video or run dex or play a high demanding game, BUT one at a time, with no superposition between such memory/processor-hungry apps, will the phone perform faster/smoother/more efficiently (battery-wise) in the 16 GB config, as opposed to 12 GB setup? Ignoring multitasking, focusing on single-tasking.
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That's a good question. I don't think that can be answered without tests.

Definitely the bigger number. Bigger is always better, right?
What's future proofing?
Most of you will be trading your (S20 Ultra) in for a maxed out Note 20 in August, right?

cpufrost said:
Definitely the bigger number. Bigger is always better, right?
What's future proofing?
Most of you will be trading your (S20 Ultra) in for a maxed out Note 20 in August, right?
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Yes, bigger is generally better. The point is if bigger is really necessary or not (i.e. overkill) for certain usage patterns.
Future proofing means ensuring that you get the most advanced hardware/technology specs at a certain point in time in order to ensure that your device will not be outrun by future devices very time soon and will support more demanding future apps. In our case, if you buy the 16 GB variant, for sure you will not need to upgrade your phone for the next couple of years, RAM will likely be more than sufficient for running any apps that could possibly be launched in the future, no matter how memory intensive they would be.
I personally am not a Note fan, I don't use the sPen.

katolink said:
Just wanted to catch your opinion on the real benefits of buying the 16 GB variant as opposed to 12 GB model. Make abstraction of the storage capacity increase, just assume that you don't really need 512 GB as long as you have expandable storage (via microSD) to use if really needed.
I am thinking of arguments justifying the additional RAM increase, considering that 12 GB is already more than enough for multitasking., even for running 2-3 RAM-intensive games at the same time
Looking forward to your opinions! :good: Thank you!
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@ 16 gigs -
- In theory, yes better..
In practical usage, I highly,highly doubt it.

Well worth the extra RAM, I'm getting this phone 12GB purely because it's my main work tool and use some ram hungry apps all day, being able to put the main 3 in RAM with larger brighter screen and larger battery is well worth the money .
I spend 9 hours a day using a phone
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katolink said:
Yes, bigger is generally better. The point is if bigger is really necessary or not (i.e. overkill) for certain usage patterns.
Future proofing means ensuring that you get the most advanced hardware/technology specs at a certain point in time in order to ensure that your device will not be outrun by future devices very time soon and will support more demanding future apps. In our case, if you buy the 16 GB variant, for sure you will not need to upgrade your phone for the next couple of years, RAM will likely be more than sufficient for running any apps that could possibly be launched in the future, no matter how memory intensive they would be.
I personally am not a Note fan, I don't use the sPen.
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I was being sarcastic.
16GB is pure marketing, nothing more.
By the time 16GB is relevant on mobile devices, the CPU would be so outdated and slow.
Storage OTOH, matters more than anything.
8K video at decent bit rates; 200Mbps and up, uses a LOT of storage. As will better multichannel audio.
8K seems to be a gimmick at first but when you look at how much info you have in each frame, and there are 24 of them each second, it makes it so much easier to get a still from that video that simply wouldn't be possible by shooting pics with the regular snapper. Serious DSLR users are laughing, but you can't fit one in your pocket!

Storage irrelevant to me as everything I do is saved in the cloud
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Until you have no signal coverage.
As commented with he increase in camera specs it will consume a lot of data. 8K will default to internal memory so for me it's important.

bomp306 said:
Until you have no signal coverage.
As commented with he increase in camera specs it will consume a lot of data. 8K will default to internal memory so for me it's important.
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Internal memory or microSD card, which can be up to 1 TB. From this perspective, choosing the 16 GB RAM model just because it has 512 GB internal memory does not seem necessary. Well, unless you cannot use a memory card because you have 2 SIMs inserted in the hybrid slot and your carrier does not support eSIM
Hence, IMO the real choice is between the two RAM sizes, rather than internal memory specs.

katolink said:
Internal memory or microSD card, which can be up to 1 TB. From this perspective, choosing the 16 GB RAM model just because it has 512 GB internal memory does not seem necessary. Well, unless you cannot use a memory card because you have 2 SIMs inserted in the hybrid slot and your carrier does not support eSIM
Hence, IMO the real choice is between the two RAM sizes, rather than internal memory specs.
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Internal memory is MUCH faster than ANY microSD card!

cpufrost said:
Internal memory is MUCH faster than ANY microSD card!
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But you still use internal memory for storage, isn't it? So what's the deal? Where does faster internal memory help?