So here is the thing. People claim that their notes "caught on fire". Both the original and replacements. Have these people sent all of their phones back to Samsung for inspection? If I just say that my note caught on fire and provide no proof, do they still count his as a case? This whole fiasco seems very odd to me. It is not like companies like apple have not tried stuffing the most battery in a phone before. Plus, does anybody really know how these people who have proven cases were using their phones?
I mean, we all know that every phone is not perfect and a few are going to have these issues. Samsung supposively cannot replicate this issue. The fact that the Note 7 beat the iphone to the punch and was a real threat to their 7 plus just seems a bit strange to me that all of a sudden this was going on.
I will do my due diligence and check out the pixel and the V20, but if either does not meet what I want, I am keeping my note. Samsung washers have reportedly "exploded" too, but I still use it and there has not been a recall.
You shouldn't take things so personally, as if Samsung is going to kill you or mangle you if you don't return that damned Note 7. The right thing to do is return it, if you can't see that then that's your problem but know if you don't return it and something actually does happen - you get injured in some manner or someone else does, or property gets damaged in some manner - you're on your own and you have no legal recourse to sue Samsung or anyone else now that the worldwide recall is official.
You and many others like you can ramble on with post after post after post about how Samsung is at fault (they know it), how bad this is for Samsung (they know it), that people will miss the Note products from Samsung (they know it), that Samsung should do something to fix things (they know it and they're working on it and it's costing them billions to do so), and how pissed you and others are about this whole fiasco (they know it).
We all know it, things happen, mistakes happen, sometimes it all goes wrong and nothing can be done to curtail that until AFTER it's happened which is the case here with the Note 7.
What's done is done, get over it. Return the device, get the refund, move on, because anything else is just whining.
The problem I have.....
I just signed up for a 2 yr payment plan for the phone...have had it 2 weeks now I need to swap it for another phone... THERE IS NO OTHER PHONE that can match the Note 7 other then maybe the S7edge.....but that phone has been out since march and now I'll have it for another 2 years!!!
So my upgrade just got really downgraded for 2 years!!
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You shouldn't take things so personally, as if Samsung is going to kill you or mangle you if you don't return that damned Note 7. The right thing to do is return it, if you can't see that then that's your problem but know if you don't return it and something actually does happen - you get injured in some manner or someone else does, or property gets damaged in some manner - you're on your own and you have no legal recourse to sue Samsung or anyone else now that the worldwide recall is official.
You and many others like you can ramble on with post after post after post about how Samsung is at fault (they know it), how bad this is for Samsung (they know it), that people will miss the Note products from Samsung (they know it), that Samsung should do something to fix things (they know it and they're working on it and it's costing them billions to do so), and how pissed you and others are about this whole fiasco (they know it).
We all know it, things happen, mistakes happen, sometimes it all goes wrong and nothing can be done to curtail that until AFTER it's happened which is the case here with the Note 7.
What's done is done, get over it. Return the device, get the refund, move on, because anything else is just whining.
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Do we actually have any real proof of what is actually going on with the phone and why this is happening? Like i said, I will do my due diligence and take a look at other options. But this whole thing stinks of apple having their hand in this. They have no innovations since who knows when and Samsung was pretty much beating them in everything.
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The problem I have.....
I just signed up for a 2 yr payment plan for the phone...have had it 2 weeks now I need to swap it for another phone... THERE IS NO OTHER PHONE that can match the Note 7 other then maybe the S7edge.....but that phone has been out since march and now I'll have it for another 2 years!!!
So my upgrade just got really downgraded for 2 years!!
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Yup. My only option is to just get a full refund and wait till the Galaxy 8 pro or whatever they will call it comes out.
I wish that was an option for me...but I just swapped the vzw due to service in my area so my note 4 was traded in!!! Uggg
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... and Samsung was pretty much beating them in everything.
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Except actual sales.
As for the rest of what you said, Samsung is currently conducting their internal investigation and that will take as long as it takes. If and when they do reach a conclusion and discover what caused the issues with the Note 7 that eventually prompted the worldwide recall they will make a public statement.
Until that actual public statement appears on a Samsung official website (based on countries, as in there's a Korean site, a US site, a Canadian site, a UK site, etc) then pretty much everything you hear, read, or see can be considered speculative conjecture at best.
There can be some actually logical speculative conjecture in some degrees because Li-Ion batteries work in predictable and very well known ways - the issue here is what's causing them to end up in runaway conditions aka burning up and sometimes exploding. It could be a charging issue, it could be an issue with the thermal limitations being exceeded, it could be an issue with pressure on the battery inside the device once it's all closed up caused by the construction of the device itself, it could be any additional pressure exerted on the already compressed battery by outside forces (bending, punctures, sitting down with a Note 7 in a pocket especially a back pocket), and so on.
We don't know anything for 100% actual fact at this point except to say that some Note 7 devices have catastrophically failed and enough of them have failed to cause Samsung to issue the worldwide recall.
All that matters is that the recall is in place and that the devices should be returned for exchange with another device (not a Note 7 of course) or a refund of the purchase price.
Anything else is just babbling from idiots.
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Except actual sales.
As for the rest of what you said, Samsung is currently conducting their internal investigation and that will take as long as it takes. If and when they do reach a conclusion and discover what caused the issues with the Note 7 that eventually prompted the worldwide recall they will make a public statement.
Until that actual public statement appears on a Samsung official website (based on countries, as in there's a Korean site, a US site, a Canadian site, a UK site, etc) then pretty much everything you hear, read, or see can be considered speculative conjecture at best.
There can be some actually logical speculative conjecture in some degrees because Li-Ion batteries work in predictable and very well known ways - the issue here is what's causing them to end up in runaway conditions aka burning up and sometimes exploding. It could be a charging issue, it could be an issue with the thermal limitations being exceeded, it could be an issue with pressure on the battery inside the device once it's all closed up caused by the construction of the device itself, it could be any additional pressure exerted on the already compressed battery by outside forces (bending, punctures, sitting down with a Note 7 in a pocket especially a back pocket), and so on.
We don't know anything for 100% actual fact at this point except to say that some Note 7 devices have catastrophically failed and enough of them have failed to cause Samsung to issue the worldwide recall.
All that matters is that the recall is in place and that the devices should be returned for exchange with another device (not a Note 7 of course) or a refund of the purchase price.
Anything else is just babbling from idiots.
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Any reason why you are taking this so personal and calling people names? Must be a Hillary supporter....
You think humans in general aren't idiotic and stupid more often than not?
Seriously?
Has there been one single case of me naming and calling out any specific member here and saying "Hey, <member name, you're a stupid person..." or anything of that nature, or are you just taking my belief that people in general are stupid and my pointing that out in general (without naming specific people) at times is a problem for someone in specific 'cause I don't see any actual proof of that happening.
Pretty sure that there are more Samsung phones worldwide than Apple. I know for a fact there are WAY more android phones worldwide - over 70% of the market share, if not more. So I guess it depends on what your definition is in "beating them in sales".
OK, I just looked it up. In 2016, Samsung has 22.8% of the phones world wide. Apple has 11.7%. So Samsung has about twice the amount of phones selling as Apple. 87.6% of the phones world wide are Android BTW.
We're talking about the Note 7, not every Android-based smartphone on the market today and especially not every Samsung smartphone on the market today either.
In terms of sales, the amount of Note 7 devices sold since release in August 2016 was a drop in the bucket in terms of worldwide sales compared to the iPhone 7 or even the iPhone 7 Plus just a week or two after they were released - hell, the iPhone 7/7 Plus probably had more pre-orders than the Note 7 sold physical units of.
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We're talking about the Note 7, not every Android-based smartphone on the market today and especially not every Samsung smartphone on the market today either.
In terms of sales, the amount of Note 7 devices sold since release in August 2016 was a drop in the bucket in terms of worldwide sales compared to the iPhone 7 or even the iPhone 7 Plus just a week or two after they were released - hell, the iPhone 7/7 Plus probably had more pre-orders than the Note 7 sold physical units of.
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I reported your disruptive behavior.
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I reported your disruptive behavior.
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Telling people that you reported them for <whatever> is usually considered to be a bad thing and generally frowned upon but thanks for your efforts just the same.
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Telling people that you reported them for <whatever> is usually considered to be a bad thing and generally frowned upon but thanks for your efforts just the same.
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Your logic is twisted.
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We're talking about the Note 7, not every Android-based smartphone on the market today and especially not every Samsung smartphone on the market today either.
In terms of sales, the amount of Note 7 devices sold since release in August 2016 was a drop in the bucket in terms of worldwide sales compared to the iPhone 7 or even the iPhone 7 Plus just a week or two after they were released - hell, the iPhone 7/7 Plus probably had more pre-orders than the Note 7 sold physical units of.
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In a previous post you said Apple was beating Samsung in sales. That is categorically untrue. Now you are backtracking. Samsung has more than just 2 phones they offer. But that doesn't matter. The phones they DO offer, they sell twice as many of them a year than the two phones Apple does offer (and remember, it wasn't long ago Apple scoffed at the idea that they would need to offer more than one device, or a larger display device at all).
We all know this discussion is on the Note 7. You threw in a quip that was inclusive of more than the Note 7 as a "gotcha", but a gotcha that wasn't at all accurate to the actual statistical sales data. What was your point? The same as your point in typing thousands of words in many posts on a Note 7 forum when you don't even own a Note 7 and never did. Pointless.
The Note 7 is basically Samsung's flagship device to compete directly with the launch of the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, is that really in dispute? And at this moment in time, there have been more iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus units sold worldwide than there have been Note 7 units sold worldwide, by a fairly large margin. In probable fact, there were more iPhone 7 sales than the Note 7 and there were more iPhone 7 Plus sales than the Note 7 when taken as individual devices even though they were released at the same time - that means the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus being released at the same time in September, not the Note 7 which was released in August.
That's all I said, twice now.
You said Apple is beating Samsung in sales. Which is not even remotely true. So now you want to backtrack and single onto one device and make the same claim. And FYI, in 2015, Samsung sold more phones than Apple in Q4, which is usually when Apple does the best as they release the new Ifones in Q4. As I mentioned in a previous post, Samsung sells almost twice as many phones a year as Apple.
No one is debating Apple sells a lot of ifones. Especially in the US. But you might as well acknowledge that they actually don't sell more phones than Samsung, not even close. Unless you want to tweak the stats to just one phone for Samsung, of which they offer several different devices. No one says they only have to offer one or two different models. IDC if Apple sells more or Samsung sells more - that never had anything to do with any of this anyway, but you had to make your quip about it as if it does.
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Engaget is reporting a world wide recall of the Note 7 because of exploding batteries.
Hopefully they will also deal with the Gorilla Glass 5 problem too.
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It seems a full recall of all phones sold. Hopefully they also replace the Samsung screen protector I bought with the phone
An official statement by Samsung.
"Statement on Galaxy Note 7
Samsung is committed to producing the highest quality products and we take every incident report from our valued customers very seriously. In response to recently reported cases of the new Galaxy Note 7, we conducted a thorough investigation and found a battery cell issue.
To date (as of September 1) there have been 35 cases that have been reported globally and we are currently conducting a thorough inspection with our suppliers to identify possible affected batteries in the market. However, because our customers' safety is an absolute priority at Samsung, we have stopped sales of the Galaxy Note 7.
For customers who already have Galaxy Note 7 devices, we will voluntarily replace their current device with a new one over the coming weeks.
We acknowledge the inconvenience this may cause in the market but this is to ensure that Samsung continues to deliver the highest quality products to our customers. We are working closely with our partners to ensure the replacement experience is as convenient and efficient as possible."
Lets see what happens.
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Thank goodness I haven't gotten my unit yet!!! Long business trips do have their benefits.
One interesting takeaway from the CNN story's the quote from the President of Sammy's Mobile Communications about how much the recall's going to cost: "it is a big amount that is heartbreaking." Looks like they're going to have huge write-offs.
Maybe they'll have to bin all the batches they're recalling and the suspect ones in inventory. Then there's the issue of lost sales and some people not wanting to buy even later batches because -- well, because you never know. I mean -- Google Pixel Phone Plus (or whatever it's called) -- here I come!!!
The problem with these metal and glass devices is they can't just open these things, replace the batteries and re-ship them. Those glass backs will inevitably break during the process. The colored foil behind the glass is also going to have to be replaced. Then there's the waterproofing...
I wonder if it's simply a battery flaw or a design flaw that causes the device to overheat under certain circumstances. Global recalls like this don't just happen unless there's a very serious issue, regardless of what Sammy's lawyers wrote in their official release. I've been buying smartphones since the early days and this is the only time I can remember a recall of this scale happening.
While it's nice that Sammy was so quick to address it, it's a damn shame because the Note 7 was their best device yet.
The irony is that if Sammy had insisted on keeping their plastic designs -- the same designs we crucified them for -- or maintained removable batteries in metal-framed phones (hello Note 4!) -- this could've been addressed with in-store battery exchanges. Again, that's assuming it's not a design flaw.
And I have such a good device too. None of this user created lag or battery drain.... Sigh.
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Interestingly me and a friend of mine have not had any of the issues mentioned here "yet" battery life is amazing and no boot loop. And we were also part of the pre-order batch.
I demand compensation for my Temperglass screen!!... everything else i could backup and transfer easily... i still have to fine tune a few other setting that dont let me "backup setting"
After this Samsung's recall statement will be known worldwide, IMHO the Note 7 reputation, confidence and appeal for the customers will be heavily affected....
Therefore I personally expect the announcement of the release of a new revised model, for example a Note "7s" with a Snapdragon 821 and 6 GB of RAM, very soon, just before Christmas time, to compete with new Apple's and Google's smartphones.
what if mine is ok ?
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You think we will have the option to change color of phone in recall?
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what if mine is ok
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What if it is not? :fingers-crossed:
This is scaring me at the moment... I was one of the first to get this device in the world during it's release in Dubai.
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What if it is not? :fingers-crossed:
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That's actually a great point. I love my phone, it's performing perfectly, but you don't just do a worldwide recall because a couple people used a bad charger. They were able to recreate it.
It is sad, this is undoubtedly the best phone Samsung has ever made and it's going to be a financial and PR disaster. On the other hand, those of us who stick with it will probably get a 2nd promotional item haha.
Really sucks but yeah hopefully they will give us something free for the inconvenience or some money for the screen protectors everyone has already purchased and put on the phone...
Feel bad for them though and all of the bad pr. This is an amazing phone and I love it. I guess they will be taking quality control much more seriously in the future (they should have originally since it is the most expensive phone ever).
The phone is still to be released in the UK, was due to be released today I think. The recall will probably delay that by quite some time.
Hopefully Samsung can narrow the problem down to a specific set of serial numbers. A global recall is very unusual, and does perhaps point to a design flaw rather than the batteries.
Apple will be enjoying this...
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The phone is still to be released in the UK, was due to be released today I think. The recall will probably delay that by quite some time.
Hopefully Samsung can narrow the problem down to a specific set of serial numbers. A global recall is very unusual, and does perhaps point to a design flaw rather than the batteries.
Apple will be enjoying this...
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Today was the official date, but Carphone Warehouse gave me my N7 on Tuesday!
It's great that they're doing it but also.... uuugh, why
Also, can you imagine the after work drinks over at Apple today?
DITTO on the Screen Protector issue!
It was so dang hard to find my genuine samsung screen protectors, not to mention the cost. It came with two but used them both already since both my wife and I have the same phones. Right after I finalized my purchase from ebay (the only US seller I've found period), the guy jacked the price from $16.99 to $99 and then to a clown-shoes $299. The samsung SP is actually curved and, IMO, feels great. Hopefully I can get them to pony up a replacement set.
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It's great that they're doing it but also.... uuugh, why
Also, can you imagine the after work drinks over at Apple today?
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I bet Apple (and Samsung) have failure lights around the building that flash when theres a fail...
Apple will send everyone home early today!
so there are reports that more and more airlines and aviation authorities are strongly advising against using, or even bringing, the Note 7 on board the planes. sounds like a full-on ban might be possible.
two thoughts:
1: i worry that even when i get the new "safe" Note 7, i'll still have to put up with the hassle of being questioned at airport security gates and flight attendants because there will probably be no way of telling if the Note 7 is the new one or the old one.
2: since the note 7 look similar to the S7 (i'm pretty sure the average joe can't tell the difference), this will probably affect people who use S7 phones, or heck, anyone who uses Samsung phones of the past couple of years.
The S-pen is a simple way to identify the Note range.
The problem of replacement 'safe' Note 7's travelling is going to take some thinking about. I have no idea how Samsung is going to manoeuvre that one?
I was initially impressed by the open honesty of Samsung with this situation but am becoming more and more disillusioned with them as they could have made this an official recall saving an awful lot of trouble for themselves and their customers.
To add mayhem to the chaos different countries are giving out different information. Samsung should have told all Samsung importers to recall regardless of other circumstances. Its become a bloody mess. Very pleased I just got my cash back.
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this is not a fiasco, it is a problem, the note 7 is not the first device with this problems, there was a recall of sony vaio laptop batteries, and almost nobody remembers it, I had a sony ericsson s710 that burned while charging, I know some 3 or 4 friends that had this same problem with different phones, it is nothing new
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this is not a fiasco, it is a problem, the note 7 is not the first device with this problems, there was a recall of sony vaio laptop batteries, and almost nobody remembers it, I had a sony ericsson s710 that burned while charging, I know some 3 or 4 friends that had this same problem with different phones, it is nothing new
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My thought exactly. Consumers are asking for more and more power in smaller and smaller packaging. It's the risk we live with when a new device or battery is released. If it's not devices going up in flames because of batteries it's Boeing 787s but they fix the problem and move on.
If the new devices have been approved by the CPSC then airlines should have no problem allowing replacement devices on the plane.
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so there are reports that more and more airlines and aviation authorities are strongly advising against using, or even bringing, the Note 7 on board the planes. sounds like a full-on ban might be possible.
two thoughts:
1: i worry that even when i get the new "safe" Note 7, i'll still have to put up with the hassle of being questioned at airport security gates and flight attendants because there will probably be no way of telling if the Note 7 is the new one or the old one.
2: since the note 7 look similar to the S7 (i'm pretty sure the average joe can't tell the difference), this will probably affect people who use S7 phones, or heck, anyone who uses Samsung phones of the past couple of years.
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How many flight attendants know one smartphone from another? I flew with my pre-recall phone yesterday put kept it powered off inflight. It was on my tray table naked and none of the three flight attendants even gave it a second glance. I talked to some friends who fly for AA and they all pretty much said the same thing - "we're not the electronic device police." The inflight ban is pretty much useless and basically on the honor system.
Here's something from an Air Canada pilot about their flight attendant's reaction to an internal memo about the Note7...
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I've asked a few of my crew (mainly the service directors) about it and some actually thought the memo meant anyone without an iPhone had to turn the phone off during the flight.
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Let see the damage control here, and check out how much you trust Samsung now.
Would you buy the next Samsung Flagship? And if so, how soon?
If you ask me, I will wait at least 2 months of reviews before buying any new flagship phone...
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Several weeks, after second batch preferably. No longer preordering any smart phone
done with samsung I want a removable battery and could care less about water proof.
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done with samsung I want a removable battery and could care less about water proof.
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I would not be surprised if they do this in all honesty, think of the money they would have saved if it was removable.
LG V20 is proof that you can make a phone stylish while still having a removable battery.
Waterproofing to me is a gimmick, I don't use phones in the tub or drop them in the toilet. It's pointless gimmick outside of those that might use it on boating trips and to take pictures under water.
As far as investing in a Samsung phone in the future why not? People don't get it when companies screw up like this they will work much harder to make sure this doesn't happen again. It's not like all of a sudden all future phones they make become improvised explosive devices.
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Well, if there is no freebie involved, I won't be pre-ordering at full price anyway. I usually buy when there is some nice incentive to be had.
But the next Samsung Flagship will be the 5.0-5.5" range S8 (edge), probably with annoying SD 830. So I think I'll pass again.
I'm not pre-ordering anything anymore.
Also, Sammy was my preferred Android vendor. They've lost that status with me.
I'll consider future Samsung phones, but I will have pause due to this.
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Let see the damage control here, and check out how much you trust Samsung now.
Would you buy the next Samsung Flagship? And if so, how soon?
If you ask me, I will wait at least 2 months of reviews before buying any new flagship phone...
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Samsung demosntrated with this crissis its an Stable and Commited corporation, sure they will learn from this sad experience enoug to not repeat this mistake, so I'll buy the next Samsung Flaship ASAP it is released. Mistakes likes this hardly will happen again to Samsung.
I will buy Samsung flagship as soon as it releases but this time I may wait a month before buying the accessories cause I bought a £35 case for my note 7 and if they discontinue note 7 I am done
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Waterproofing to me is a gimmick, I don't use phones in the tub or drop them in the toilet. It's pointless gimmick outside of those that might use it on boating trips and to take pictures under water.
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I will buy Samsung flagship as soon as it releases but this time I may wait a month before buying the accessories cause I bought a £35 case for my note 7 and if they discontinue note 7 I am done
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I'm too pissed off at this point to go back ...will give it a year of two.
I think I'm done with Samsung. How can they mess up twice on their flagship phone. They might not even know why the phones are catching fire. How can I trust them again that the next phone I buy from them won't have some defect?
The hassle in setting up a new phone is bad enough. But I'm sure most of us have bought cases and screen protectors already. I even ordered mine from Amazon and I paid a lot to ship it to the Philippines.
Sorry Samsung. You just lost a customer.
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Let see the damage control here, and check out how much you trust Samsung now.
Would you buy the next Samsung Flagship? And if so, how soon?
If you ask me, I will wait at least 2 months of reviews before buying any new flagship phone...
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2-3 months depending on how the reviews are but no less than 2 months. Of course this is also dependant on whether I buy a new phone this year to replace the Note 7 because I can't afford to buy a phone every year since I like to travel and buy other gadgets and such, nor do I see a need to do so. I'm good every 2 years at minimum but 3 years even works fine. Currently debating the overpriced Pixel XL (lack of micro sd sucks but unlimited full size picture storage helps alleviate that a little bit and just buy the 128GB) or the LG V20 since it will be the first to work with Wind's upcoming LTE band-66. Decisions decisions.
When you consider the range of really premium top rated products Samsung has launched over the past few years, why people are turning their backs on them now because of this, astounds me! The Note 7 is still a beautiful phone. It had an issue that could have happened to any other device out there whoever manufactured it . Look at the S7 line it's also stellar. The Gear VR and their smartwatches. And the S8 rumours point to something very innovative and unique on the way next year. So why cut your nose off to spite your face? You can't deny they have made some damn good phones.
They tried to fix the problem with the Note 7 and they eventually stopped production to do what was right for most people. Give them some credit. Stop playing into the hands of the media and the Apple fanboys, intent on bringing Samsung down. They certainly deserve another go.
Yet, after all those years, they can't make a phone that doesn't overheat (or lag for that matter). The focus is on the battery now, but that wasn't the only fault with the N7. I'm still mighty pissed of there is no flat version and that we are getting ignored in Europe most of the time. There is no high-end Samsung with a flat screen larger than 5,1"...
I'd wait about a couple of months, but I tend to do that with everything I buy... early adopting is not for me.
Will buy next flagship Samsung ASAP.... hopefully it will come with a Stylus but nonetheless i will buy and for the time being i m buying J7 prime or A8
I'm pre ordering the s8. I don't care what anyone says but the note 7 is the best phone of 2016. It's a shame it had to go out like that. I think Samsung did the right thing and I'm still down with them. For now...
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I voted for several weeks, but in reality it will totally depend on the situation. I cannot really answer with the options given.
I am not sure what I will do next, and I don't really want to go with an S if they're like the S7 or S7 Edge. My wife and I had both of those during the two week we waited for the Note 7 replacement and, well, for various reasons we didn't like them. If they come out with something like a Note, I may very well do a pre-order as soon as we're able to. But, again, it will totally depend on the situation. I may also wait some weeks or even months, or never even going back to Samsung if I find a phone that I like (so far, little chance for that, I'm going back to my Note 4 once I return my Note 7). I'm willing to take a look elsewhere, like the LG V20 or the Google Pixel XL, and if I like what I have with those, then Samsung wont see me back for some time.
I think for me, in reality, my decision will have little to do with what happened to the Note 7, but it's more like the total package. I fully realize this could've happened with any phone, just so happen to be this one. I don't mind going back to Samsung, but right now they don't have what I want, and when they do, I may not want to go back if I'm satisfied with something else.
From a news article... They might not even know what caused this. Who's to say future phones won't have the same problem
When several Samsung Galaxy Note 7 smartphones spontaneously exploded in August, the South Korean company went into overdrive. It urged hundreds of employees to quickly diagnose the problem.
None were able to get a phone to explode. Samsung’s engineers, on a tight deadline, initially concluded the defect was caused by faulty batteries from one of the company’s suppliers. Samsung, which announced a recall of the Note 7 devices in September, decided to continue shipping new Galaxy Note 7s containing batteries from a different supplier.
The solution failed. Reports soon surfaced that some of the replacement devices were blowing up too. Company engineers went back to the drawing board, according to a person briefed on the test process who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the internal workings were confidential. As of this week, Samsung’s testers were still unable to reproduce the explosions.
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From a news article... They might not even know what caused this. Who's to say future phones won't have the same problem
When several Samsung Galaxy Note 7 smartphones spontaneously exploded in August, the South Korean company went into overdrive. It urged hundreds of employees to quickly diagnose the problem.
None were able to get a phone to explode. Samsung’s engineers, on a tight deadline, initially concluded the defect was caused by faulty batteries from one of the company’s suppliers. Samsung, which announced a recall of the Note 7 devices in September, decided to continue shipping new Galaxy Note 7s containing batteries from a different supplier.
The solution failed. Reports soon surfaced that some of the replacement devices were blowing up too. Company engineers went back to the drawing board, according to a person briefed on the test process who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the internal workings were confidential. As of this week, Samsung’s testers were still unable to reproduce the explosions.
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I wonder how reliable is that inside information.
In spite of my best intentions, and really attempting to remain loyal to Samsung during a decidedly rough time for the company, I am being completely abandoned by Samsung. Do they care? Not at all. Do they think the loss of one (more) customer is significant? It would appear not. That attitude is not really great, but it's understandable. If we, the consumers are in a bad way over this, and we certainly are, depending on your particular circumstances, then it's not hard to imagine how messed up thing must be for those Samsung employees that are dedicated and we rightfully proud of the N7.
It's a nightmare for all. That being said, we the living still have to work and play and go on with our lives. I sat on a fence for a week, just paralyzed - I was in denial, I realize; "this can't be... it just can. not. be...
But acceptance is one of the steps I think, and with that in mind I came up with a plan. Trading the Note 7 for an S7 or S7 Edge was not an option. I already HAVE an S7 (work phone) and an S7 Edge (personal phone that I kept when upgrading to Note 7. Besides, neither is a Note. I sold my Note 4 when I got the N7. The S7 Edge is a beautiful phone. It's just not a NOTE. Different usage case.
So I decided, with my options disappearing, that a Note 5 was the best (least worst?) option available to me, as sad as that appears. The Note 5 has the newer build methods and materials, though it's not as balanced, nor as slick as the Note 7 was/is (or as slippery) and I sure don't have to list why it's a weak substitute in this space, but it IS the closest thing to a N7 in a Note Series phone. So I decide to bite the bullet and live with half the internal memory, no water resistance, a smaller battery (but not prone to meltdown at least) etc.
Guess what? No Note 5 to be had. There's obviously SOME around since a guy posted that Verizon got him one for about $375 or so - but AT&T? Nope. Nada. They must have divested themselves of them knowing that NOBODY would want one with the N& selling alongside it. Whoopsie. Bad call. Note 5 would be more popular today than when it was new on the market.
So I tried Samsung. Thinking I would give them a really hard time and hopefully get them to GIVE me one until a new model - ANY new model phone comes out. I have gotten stuff in the past when a company is trying really hard to keep customers.
Guess what? No Note 5 to be had here either. SAMSUNG got rid of them all, at least all the ones in the sales channel. So both AT&T and Samsung can't get me ANY model note phone, including prepaid devices or refurbs (why the rep thought she could find a Prepaid Note 5 is a joke in itself.
To add (another) insult to (yet more) injury, the AT&T rep tells me "You can use the S-Pen on the S7" I kindly explain to her why that is not so, no Wacom digitizer, thus no S-Pen, but she INSISTS! Sher READ IT SOMEWHERE (therefore it MUST be true, right?) So, since I HAVE an S& and 2 S-Pens (one kept back from the 1st N7 recall) I tell okay, let's TRY IT! HEY! Guess what? (I say that a lot here, don't I?) It DOESN'Y WORK! WHAT A SURPRISE! I am SO disappointed. But she tells me (wait for it) You must be doing something wrong. My documentation says a stylus works with the Note 7. FACE PALM (when what I feel like doing is reaching through the phone line and (expletive deleted)
So yeah. Truly without a viable option. And the sad part is, I didn't even WANT the damn Note 5 very much, but was willing to make the best of it, AND stay loyal to Samsung, and buy yet ANOTHER Samsung Phone next year. They keep this up they will be competing with HTC and Motorola on phone sales again. You can't stay at the top of the tier when you a) have no product to sell at that level, and b) Give your (potentially loyal) customers no way to remain so, despite their willingness to work with you.
Based on these realizations I have to believe Samsung will reap exactly what they are sowing today which is big losses of sales, loss of market share, and loss of loyal customer base. It doesn't get much worse than that. But fret not. Even these extremes wouldn't send me over the dark side of the apple.
Note 5's for ATT are everywhere. Have you looked at Amazon lately? BH Photo?
My search was really fruitless. No Verizon Note 5's anywhere except at Verizon, where I would have to pay as much as the Note 7 costs while simultaneously losing my Upgrade status and be stuck with it for 24 months to boot.
So I feel for you but only half as much as I feel for me.
Yes but I need AT&T to GIVE the NOTE 5 to me. I dont want to buy one, lol! I would, under the right circumstances give up the NOTE 7 (sob!) but there's no way I am using up an upgrade or the GO TO on an N5. It has to just be a placeholder, not a replacement for N7.
Just to ask:
Have you tried calling Samsung's Note 7 department based in Colorado? The number is 855-291-6255 - no matter who you first speak with ask for the Note 7 department in Colorado. If you get any grief over it tell them you had called earlier (a little white lie) and you had been on hold with that department for an hour or so and got disconnected and nobody has called you back.
I know of 13 people personally that have used that method to get a full retail refund of the purchase price on their Note 7 devices: 5 of them with AT&T, 4 of them with Verizon, 3 with T-Mobile, and 1 with Sprint. How do I know? Because I gave them that number and those instructions last week after I saw the number posted over at Reddit with the same info and instructions.
Now, as of this minute Samsung might be doing things a bit differently, I don't know, but 5 (2 from AT&T, 1 from Sprint, 1 from T-Mobile, and 1 from Verizon) of those 13 people I provided the number and info too already got their refunds this week (they told me when their checks arrived). They also returned their devices to their carriers and were told to either keep them or wait for Samsung to send the return packaging.
It sure can't hurt to give 'em a call and see what happens. If you're successful and you get the refund congrats, now you'll have money to go buy whatever phone you want (given that if you were under contract with the Note 7 purchase you'd be paying that off if required, some carriers are just writing off those losses at this point).
I read the other day that the Note is only good for about one or two percent of their phone sales, so while it bites, it's probably not biting them as much as it should be, resulting in a general feel among people that they don't care. Or that's my guess at this point.
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br0adband said:
Just to ask:
Have you tried calling Samsung's Note 7 department based in Colorado? The number is 855-291-6255 - no matter who you first speak with ask for the Note 7 department in Colorado. If you get any grief over it tell ...
It sure can't hurt to give 'em a call and see what happens. If you're successful and you get the refund congrats, now you'll have money to go buy whatever phone you want (given that if you were under contract with the Note 7 purchase you'd be paying that off if required, some carriers are just writing off those losses at this point).
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Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate it, but I think you may have missed the entire point of my long winded tale... I don't WANT a REFUND. AT&T will give me a refund, take back the device, shut down the extra line I assigned it and all that. None of which helps me in any way. What I need is a NOTE PHONE. Having sold my perfect condition NOTE 3 and Note 4 after grabbing the Note 7, I have nothing to fall back on and no way to GET a NOTE PHONE. Having a refund leaves me without the phone I need and no reasonable replacement. Thanks anyway, though.
So you're trying to get a Note 5 for free? You think they're just going to do that? After all of this mess?
You said AT&T couldn't find one to sell you... so what is is, you are trying to get one for free, or you can't find one to buy? Apparently you CAN buy one. https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-N920C-Factory-Unlocked-Galaxy/dp/B013WACF4S?th=1
This has sucked for everyone affected. Personally I've been through two Note7's and ended up with a S7 Edge. If I wanted a S7 Edge I would have pre-ordered it when it came out. I stuck with Samsung because I use their features across all my other Samsung devices. Those devices include a NotePRO 12.2 (my laptop), Note 10.1 2014 (retired - now primarily my TiVo remote), Galaxy View (my portable home and away TV), and Gear S2. I use SideSync, S Note (including the Windows app), Scrapbook, Samsung Link, Samsung Pay, and Samsung's browser (ad free w/o root) and wasn't prepared to give those up. My non-Samsung device choices on AT&T amount to the LG V20 (too big for its screen size, not enough sizzle) or iPhone 7 (I'm not changing eco-systems). So I'm keeping the S7 Edge until the S8 comes out which will most likely be a Note7 with beefier specs and no S Pen. I'll hope for a Note8 in the fall and then I'll move from the S8 to it.
Like OP I had Note5 I was fine with. If the Note7 never came out I would have kept it and waited for what followed the S7-series. I do like the S7 Edge though and like the edge features I grew accustomed to on my time with the Note7. Since I do use S Note heavily I picked up a Tab A 8 with 4G and S Pen that I imported from Malaysia. It's a nifty small little tablet that's great for taking notes and it's on 6.0 so has the Note7's S Pen features. When I only want to carry one device I forward my calls from my S7 Edge to it and I can send and receive MMS on it using AT&T's unified messaging.
So I've exchanged phones three times, have a phone I wouldn't have chosen, and had to buy a tablet I wouldn't have needed. Sh!t happens. Samsung didn't want what happened to happen and neither did AT&T. I'm loyal to Samsung and Note devices especially so I'm just rolling with it. Of the over a dozen Samsung devices I own or owned this is the first time I've been let down. Assuming this incident has taught them humility their future products will be the best designed, best tested, and best QC'd on the market.
It is what it is.
Wow this thread truly makes my head hurt....
Let me make sure I get this right.
You are fully aware you can get a refund... for the FULL RETAIL AMOUNT of the phone, but don't want to do that, because you want AT&T or Samsung, to give you a Note 5... as a matter of principle???
There are PLENTY of Note 5 devices available for sale, at a MUCH lower price than the Note 7.
So you are UNWILLING to get a refund, and use that money to BUY a Note 5, and use the rest of the money for whatever you want.
This makes Z. E. R. O. sense. Please tell me I am missing something here, but getting around your generic rant and getting to the details was a bit difficult. End of an era? Like others have stated, the Note is a small percentage of their total sales. Until S7s and S7 edges start catching on fire, the era will continue just fine.
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I read the other day that the Note is only good for about one or two percent of their phone sales, so while it bites, it's probably not biting them as much as it should be, resulting in a general feel among people that they don't care. Or that's my guess at this point.
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I read the other day that the Earth is in fact flat and not round after all <- True story!
The Phone Company said:
I read the other day that the Earth is in fact flat and not round after all <- True story!
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Thank you for that insightful contributing post.
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Wow this thread truly makes my head hurt....
Let me make sure I get this right.
You are fully aware you can get a refund... for the FULL RETAIL AMOUNT of the phone, but don't want to do that, because you want AT&T or Samsung, to give you a Note 5... as a matter of principle???
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I can understand their point because I have gone through the same dilemma.
I had a Note 4 I was relatively happy with, but starting to get long in the tooth. I tend to get a phone every 2 versions if the new version is reasonable (so went from N2 to N4 for example). I never considered the N5 as I have a pretty full SD card and no way am I giving up running that.
So the N7 specs came out, and it was everything I wanted. Fork out the huge $1350au and pre ordered it. The rest of that chapter is well known (2 perfect Note 7s in 4 weeks).
Now, with what is assumed to be total abandonment of the Note 7 series, what are my options?
1-full refund-ok, but then I need to get a phone (N4 is now being used by my wife)
2-S7/S7E with gift card style refund ($450/$350au).
I forked out the $ to upgrade to a phone I really wanted. Now I have to still lose some of those $ to get a phone I never really wanted, nor would have considered.
The only resolution I can see is to have Samsung provide a loan device and re-release a Note/SPEN model again with SD card ASAP, or allow the cheap purchase of an inferior model and a discounted purchase of the new model when it becomes available. I will certainly be somewhat out of pocket over all this, plus not being able to use the phone I really was wanting to buy.
I have decided instead to get the closest phone to the N7, the S7E, with the Samsung offer in au it is basically getting it for $100 less, and hopefully it will have good resell value when the next N series comes out (but I haven't sold a phone in a long time now, always handy to keep older phone just in case!)
I never certainly planned to buy two new phones so soon!
I think buying the N5 at this stage is a massive compromise for most (esp with so little on board storage and no SD slot), I would think anyone taking this route now is doing it temporarily to keep them going to the next N release and thus 2 phones purchased when really they were after just 1, thus why we get all these threads. The N7 is almost perfect, anything else is a compromise until the N7 comes back into sale again (as N6+ lol).
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I will still buy another samsung phone most like the next s8. Yes, i need to return the phone twice. But i got a few valuable free gifts. And got a full refund at the end. Not even iphone will do that. If you do the math, Samsung basically just gave me a travellers charger, a wireless charge, a power bank for free. So, why not getting the s8 next year, you won't have anything to lose
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Just to ask:
Have you tried calling Samsung's Note 7 department based in Colorado? The number is 855-291-6255 - no matter who you first speak with ask for the Note 7 department in Colorado. If you get any grief over it tell them you had called earlier (a little white lie) and you had been on hold with that department for an hour or so and got disconnected and nobody has called you back.
I know of 13 people personally that have used that method to get a full retail refund of the purchase price on their Note 7 devices: 5 of them with AT&T, 4 of them with Verizon, 3 with T-Mobile, and 1 with Sprint. How do I know? Because I gave them that number and those instructions last week after I saw the number posted over at Reddit with the same info and instructions.
Now, as of this minute Samsung might be doing things a bit differently, I don't know, but 5 (2 from AT&T, 1 from Sprint, 1 from T-Mobile, and 1 from Verizon) of those 13 people I provided the number and info too already got their refunds this week (they told me when their checks arrived). They also returned their devices to their carriers and were told to either keep them or wait for Samsung to send the return packaging.
It sure can't hurt to give 'em a call and see what happens. If you're successful and you get the refund congrats, now you'll have money to go buy whatever phone you want (given that if you were under contract with the Note 7 purchase you'd be paying that off if required, some carriers are just writing off those losses at this point).
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I seen the reddit site where people were talking about this refund process. So you know people who have confirmed getting a full retail check back already? I wanted to take this route with my sprint note 7 but I didn't want them to de activate my phone once I call to get the box sent. Rather it be blacklisted once I take it off my account when I get the return box.
As stated, the 13 people I provided that info to were "OK" with getting the refund from Samsung. Since I made that post one other person got their check already as well so it seems to be the course to take. Samsung might change things as I mentioned so the only way to know is call it and see what happens.
Can't speak for any blacklisting going on, all I keep hearing are rumors and the occasional report from someone that says their device has been blacklisted but there never seems to be any way to verify those stories. If the carriers actually publish statements that they plan to blacklist the Note 7 (which is within their rights to do since it's their networks) then I'll attach some more credence to it at that time but I don't expect it anytime soon if it ever does.
Samsung has said they'll accept returns through December 31, 2016 so, after that we'll see what happens with the carriers too I guess.
How do you feel about Samsung's mass recall of the note 7?
Obviously peiple could be angry, but this event raises the question of device safty.
This doesnt happen all that often and im interested in your opinion.
My personal opinion is that Samsung failed miserably here.
From the high price, one would expect competence and qualify control. Nope.
From the high price, one would expect better facilities to make these things. Nope
Smartphones are incredibly overpriced.
OEMs dont offer QC.
They dont offer a valuable long lasting product.
Only 18 months of sofware support.
One year of warranty.
Non removable batteries. This recalll eouldnt even be a thing if this phone had removable batteries. Or aka planned obsolescence.
This isnt a problem with just samsung however, but they made an excellent poimt about what i raised here.
I am extremely disappointed by this situation.
Id nothing else, people should be angry at samsung for wasting their time with the note 7.
Disappointed. But not angry at Samsung about what happened to the Galaxy Note 7.
I applaud them for creating such an exciting device. Such a massive recall wouldn't have happened if they didn't create an outstanding smartphone.
If the battery fires befell on another brand's smartphone, let's say HTC 10, I don't think they would handle it as well as Samsung did.
Okay, back to Samsung. Clearly, they I overlooked something. If SDI and the replacement units with ATL batteries are catching fire, then something else is triggering it.
I strongly suspect the dual curve design is the main culprit setting the battery on fire. But that's me speculating. I sincerely hope Samsung will be able to find the root of this problem and be transparent about it to everyone. And what measures they will take to prevent such disaster from happening again.
I'm seeking a full refund from them instead of exchanging for an S7 Edge. I'll be getting the LG V20 next month. But I'll be keeping a close eye on Samsung. And also keeping an open mind about their S8 and Note 8.
I think Samsung did the right thing during the first recall.
I think the second recall was done more because of pressure from the media, than that it would've been done if there was no recall presiding there issues. They needed to protect their brand at large, and considering the Note is only a small part of everything they sell, it was likely better to take this loss rather than placing the trustworthiness of their brand at risk.
All in all I'm not happy with it, but it is what it is, I don't blame them either way.
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If it's anything, I think the replacement unit with the supposedly "safe" ATL batteries are more prone to combusting than the original.
Btw, I'd like to add that I'm not dismissing that there may still be an issue with the phone, it's just that I have my doubts that the 2nd recall would've happened without the media playing it's part.
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this was all media`s fault, some years ago there would no be a fuss so great as this, this is to be expected in the future with other brands as well