I am going to attempt to install a Galaxy Note 5 battery into my Galaxy Note 7. If I pull this off I will be showing step by step details of how I accomplished the process. This should solve our problems and it is mind boggling why Samsung hasn't considered this as an option. I will take a loss of 500 mah over having to give this phone back any day.
Waiting...
This may be interesting.
But won't you void your warranty?
Watching
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I really think something apart from the battery went wrong
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Chances are that some circuit that's already connected to note 7s battery. Or the circuit that connects battery to device as a bridge from devices ene at some point. I hope it not true, but honestly if it was easy of a battery issue, Samsung would have got it already . Some circuital problem I bliv.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-...ecisely-why-its-batteries-are-failing_id86474
I suspect this might be the prime culprit. Basically, it's a design flaw. In an attempt to make a aesthetically appealing phone, the integrity of the battery is compromised.
I'm with OP. If the Note 7 can be salvaged by reducing the capacity of the battery, I'm in.
Power banks are readily available, a slightly smaller battery is not an issue for me.
BozQ said:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-...ecisely-why-its-batteries-are-failing_id86474
I suspect this might be the prime culprit. Basically, it's a design flaw. In an attempt to make a aesthetically appealing phone, the integrity of the battery is compromised.
I'm with OP. If the Note 7 can be salvaged by reducing the capacity of the battery, I'm in.
Power banks are readily available, a slightly smaller battery is not an issue for me.
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This post is kinda making do much sense right now .. +1
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I think if it was something this simple, they would have replaced the batteries and paid people compensation for the loss of performance compared to sold specification.
good stuff yo! try to record videos when you turn it on
Only 96 out of 1.9 million in the US have had fire issues. Seems like the phone is perfectly fine to me.
DeMi-GoD said:
Only 96 out of 1.9 million in the US have had fire issues. Seems like the phone is perfectly fine to me.
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96 phones exploded out of 1.9 phones! that's feggin dangerously scary, you need to return your phone! bcos i know better than you! do it now! today! now!
I was about to pull the trigger on a Note 5 battery, but there are some things I wanted to address and think about before I do.
-This phone will never get any updates, ever. That means no android 7.0.
-There will likely be no warranty of any kind if something stupid were to go wrong.
-My house could burn down if this process fails.
-Will this affect my carrier insurance or Jump On Demand with tmobile?
-The gear VR is deactivated due to the danger.
-Me completing this process may encourage others to do so, only for all of us to find out later that it didn't work and they start bursting into flames again. I don't want to be in the middle of all that.
-The phone will essentially be of no value pretty quick here and I don't know how I feel about carrying around something that is worthless while making payments on it.
-They could IMEI block them all after I go through the painfull process of swapping batteries.
Just some things to think about before moving in either direction.
I was about to pull the trigger on a Note 5 battery, but there are some things I wanted to address and think about before I do.
-This phone will never get any updates, ever. That means no android 7.0.
-There will likely be no warranty of any kind if something stupid were to go wrong.
-My house could burn down if this process fails.
-Will this affect my carrier insurance or Jump On Demand with tmobile?
-The gear VR is deactivated due to the danger.
-Me completing this process may encourage others to do so, only for all of us to find out later that it didn't work and they start bursting into flames again. I don't want to be in the middle of all that.
-The phone will essentially be of no value pretty quick here and I don't know how I feel about carrying around something that is worthless while making payments on it.
-They could IMEI block them all after I go through the painful process of swapping batteries.
Just some things to think about before moving in either direction.
I think your real loss is the warranty for your Note 5, which in most accounts, should still be valid.
It is worth an experiment I suppose and if you want to document it, you could always leave a disclaimer first.
Generally, I won't recommend it. But ultimately, it's your decision.
BozQ said:
I think your real loss is the warranty for your Note 5, which in most accounts, should still be valid.
It is worth an experiment I suppose and if you want to document it, you could always leave a disclaimer first.
Generally, I won't recommend it. But ultimately, it's your decision.
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Well I would just buy the battery from a note 5, not an entire phone.
Awe c'mon man, take one for the team! I was going to remove my battery entirely and strap on several 18650's to the back of it. But that would send the wrong message in public. Somebody would call the bomb squad even though it'd probably be safer than it is right now....
All kidding aside I think you are wise to stop.
I still may do it lol. At this point it could just be an experiment. The problem is there may be no way at all of ever knowing whether it worked. I could go on using this phone untouched and it works for the rest of my life. Think about it 93 of 1.9 million. It may never go up in flames with the note 7 battery let alone the note 5.
I think your smart enough to do it safely. give it a go! you're half way there mate.
never ever ever updates? really? never? not even the slightest chance of a lone wolf dev making a new 7.0 rom?
high chance of your house burning down? is there nothing you can do? maybe charge your phone in a small ceramic square bowl/dish? next to an open window? is there really no safe measures one can take?
warranty issues? has warranty ever been a issues on this forum? some countries void your warranty just for rooting your phone!
worried about upsetting others are you? well just holding on to a note 7 has already upset me, shame on you for upsetting a stranger
the phone is only useless if you don't have a use for it any more. unless your easily affect by what others think of you.
imei block? possibly but you'll get timely warming and a refund if it does happen, and even after months later they'll still accept your phone, bcos there's a hill billy out there who bought his note 7, went deep into the woods for a croc and toad hunt and 6 months later returned only to get all these recall messajars...
We'll see lol
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I encourage anyone concerned about the availability of the 3 button download mode, or other issues, to comment on the Samsung Facebook page. I already posted a comment and got a response I find somewhat disturbing... maybe there is strength in numbers.
http://www.facebook.com/samsungmobi...omment#!/samsungmobilecanada?v=wall&ref=notif
Make sure he doesn't duck the question. 3 button means that experienced end users can actually fix a bad flash (lol @ Kies) without having to lose their phone for a month (Allgamer is at the 3 week mark now after sending his phone in).
Hopefully they will provide an answer. I have since returned mine back to Future Shop. I've tried 4 other phones hoping to be able to do an exchange, but all of them had 3 button recovery disabled. If they release a fix for this I will buy the phone in an instant.
I saw your post over there...
Exactly what I figured their response would be... I for one am not holding my breath for an update through Samsung to enable 3 button recovery.
They messed though by inexplicably letting some through with it enabled...Makes it hard to justify why some have it and some don't... If anything, expect an update to disable it on the ones that have it enabled!
I hope otherwise, but in all seriousness, the majority of users will likely never have to use recovery and the average user out there is not an xda-developpers member. Yes, Samsung will have to deal with bricks but probably in their mind, they are making it slightly harder to do 'unauthorized' stuff.
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I am also not holding my breath...
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Hopefully they will provide an answer. I have since returned mine back to Future Shop. I've tried 4 other phones hoping to be able to do an exchange, but all of them had 3 button recovery disabled. If they release a fix for this I will buy the phone in an instant.
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I'm pretty much in the same boat. No recovery mode, no sale.
xtoad said:
I saw your post over there...
Exactly what I figured their response would be... I for one am not holding my breath for an update through Samsung to enable 3 button recovery.
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I'm pretty much in the same boat. No recovery mode, no sale.
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Meh, I am not going that far. Recovery mode is a nice to have but it is not going to deprive me of the best phone on the market by miles (there is not a phone that is going to be better than the 3GS for at least 6 months or more, nothing is in the pipeline that comes close)
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Please add a comment, the more the better!
Meh, I am not going that far. Recovery mode is a nice to have but it is not going to deprive me of the best phone on the market by miles (there is not a phone that is going to be better than the 3GS for at least 6 months or more, nothing is in the pipeline that comes close)
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Until you accidentally brick it, then you are paying $60 a month while it goes off to get fixed. Yes, it's awesome hardware, but without 3 button, it's not worth it to me. I'm also stubborn enough to demand a resolution to this issue before forking out the money a 2nd time
I've left a comment of the Facebook page. Let's hope someone hears something. Going back to using my iPhone has killed me.
wow samsung come on your slacking
Samsung Mobile Canada Hi Jason. 3 button download mode is for internal firmware functions and is not recommended to end-users. It’s typically used by technicians to service malfunctioning phones. Modifying the internal firmware on a mobile phone device may void the warranty. What function you are trying to do? Maybe we can help find another way. Feel free to reach out to us at 1-800-SAMSUNG and we'll see how we can help. Thank
sounds like they could fix it but might not if your dumb enough to flash your bell sgs and have the 3 button combo disabled best of luck to you
haha sumsung cant ignore facebook
ive taken back 6 phones 600x6 is 3600 worth of phones lol and they all didnt have recovery so i took them back best buys 100% satisfaction guarantee gotta love it
Smash them boys!
I strongly recommend that you start new fresh posts each time instead of replying into a long one. Multiple posts on the wall are much more visible and potentially effective.
Come one guys, hit them hard (while staying polite obviously)
Posted on the wall.
Good idea will post to wall
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done my part
they will hate it, i hope they don't remove it
just for reference the correct link to the wall is
http://www.facebook.com/samsungmobilecanada#!/samsungmobilecanada
DarthV said:
Until you accidentally brick it, then you are paying $60 a month while it goes off to get fixed. Yes, it's awesome hardware, but without 3 button, it's not worth it to me. I'm also stubborn enough to demand a resolution to this issue before forking out the money a 2nd time
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If I am unlucky enough to brick it (which, despite my rants, is pretty hard to actually do in practice.... as long as you are flashing with a stable laptop it is not going to brick), then I'll get it replaced under warranty. The odds of me flashing it again after Froyo is out are near zero.
See, unlike WinMo, you don't have to re-flash Android to customize it, nearly everything on the phone can be customized in-line. All the stuff Cyogen etc. are doing can be done without flashing the phone, so you don't have to worry about bricking it
I learned from my years with my HTC dev. that re-flashing every few weeks is a huge pain in the butt, and I don't plan on doing that again with this phone.
astralmind said:
I strongly recommend that you start new fresh posts each time instead of replying into a long one. Multiple posts on the wall are much more visible and potentially effective.
Come one guys, hit them hard (while staying polite obviously)
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Be careful, if you post too many things on the wall, they will just get frustrated and get Facebook to remove all the posts. You can do that with paid Facebook pages like this.
they removed one of my messages
I'm just thinking from Windows perspective, considering MS can corrupt files if you pull out laptop battery before shutting down the windows. How about with Android? If I pull out a battery before shutting it down, will anything in N2 going to get corrupted?
Here is why I'm asking. For anybody with Zerolemon, you can probably relate to this. The battery is huge and TPU case is tight, so on one occasion when I was taking case off I pulled the battery out as well. And in general, while I'm switching between TPU case and Defender mod, if I pull out a battery in the middle of use without shutting down N2, would it cause a problem?
i've tried it when its annoys me
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I don't think so. I've done it countless times, but I switch ROMs so often that *maybe* the slight software defects go unnoticed. I think its fine though.
Just a guess here, but I would say yes to this an any other electronic device BUT.................we have come a long way in the IT field!! Most Servers (I said Servers, not cell phones?) have an internal battery that prevents (in a way?) this sort of thing. I can pull the plug, but its still several seconds before it actually shuts down (depending on WHAT was actually running when I pulled the plug.)
With that said, and after I thought about it, maybe not. just like letting your battery die? Phone will shut itself off automatically to save settings, so there maybe a little juice just for this?
Just a thought.
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I'm just thinking from Windows perspective, considering MS can corrupt files if you pull out laptop battery before shutting down the windows. How about with Android? If I pull out a battery before shutting it down, will anything in N2 going to get corrupted?
Here is why I'm asking. For anybody with Zerolemon, you can probably relate to this. The battery is huge and TPU case is tight, so on one occasion when I was taking case off I pulled the battery out as well. And in general, while I'm switching between TPU case and Defender mod, if I pull out a battery in the middle of use without shutting down N2, would it cause a problem?
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The answer to your question is "it depends." It's like running a stop light. Maybe it's OK, maybe it's disaster.
I've been using Android since 2009 and I DID have one incident pulling the battery. I needed to change batteries and powered down. I was in a rush so I pulled the battery before it was fully down. Big mistake. When I put the new battery in and powered up I was at the factory reset. I had to reinstall everything. Very bad.
On the other hand, I've removed the battery, either on purpose or accidentally, many times over the years and only that one time did I have a problem.
I've been pulling batteries for years with no ill effects... He'll that's how we fixed glitches on blackberry and htc devices.
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I do it all the time and never had a problem. Android is based on Linux which is in turn quite different from windows. You don't need to shut down Linux either. You can just pull the plug out while you're in the desktop and apart from the fact you'll loose any unsaved changes to your documents there will be no ill effects.
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I have been pulling my battery for years, even in the old Windows Mobile & PocketPC days. The only thing, I could think of, is to be careful about **(in my opinion) is if you had something writing some type binary file to the external SD card.
dr.m0x said:
I do it all the time and never had a problem. Android is based on Linux which is in turn quite different from windows. You don't need to shut down Linux either. You can just pull the plug out while you're in the desktop and apart from the fact you'll loose any unsaved changes to your documents there will be no ill effects.
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Then you're lucky. The file system is still open and can get corrupted.
That's not to say I haven't done that, but pulling the battery from a running system is my last resort, not my first choice.
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No. I've been pulling batteries on over a dozen devices for years. Nothing will happen.
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John Kotches said:
Then you're lucky. The file system is still open and can get corrupted.
That's not to say I haven't done that, but pulling the battery from a running system is my last resort, not my first choice.
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This is true.
I dropped my phone, my battery fell out,v and all my data from Simpson's tapped out got corrupted. Rare, but it can still happen.
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John Kotches said:
Then you're lucky. The file system is still open and can get corrupted.
That's not to say I haven't done that, but pulling the battery from a running system is my last resort, not my first choice.
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Listen to this guy!! I have been in IT since 1983, pulling the battery could cost you millions! ($1.8Million to be exact) The good side, I got 50 shares of stock to fly to Dallas and rebuild server! :good: Listen to John, last resort.
What I have found with Android, as stated, if you have something open, you lose it AND you sometimes get 1/2 way up (Android Guy), then have to use power button to shut it off, then power button to cut it on. Good Luck!
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No. I've been pulling batteries on over a dozen devices for years. Nothing will happen.
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In general that's the point of using a journaling file system, but it is not complete immunity from corruption.
Rare, but not impossible.
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John Kotches said:
In general that's the point of using a journaling file system, but it is not complete immunity from corruption.
Rare, but not impossible.
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I agree with you 100%, not completely an assurance with a product like Visions Solutions ODS/OMS or MIMIX for journaling BUT, worst case, both servers are in same Data Center and you lose power and generator does not kick in? Best case, you only lose last transaction, role swap to target, activate user IP on target, let users work, switch them back when ready on source system, let journaling catch up.............
I've don't that a few times I guess you can tell John? Oh, and if you work for a Casino company, that property is losing 'X' hundreds of thousand of dollars a minute because all machines automatically shut down and you have some a** reminding you of such every 15 seconds or so and how they have to give customers free food and drinks to keep them from leaving and you need to work faster !! I should have studied harder in college and been doctor or lawyer like my mother said?
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It amazes me when I give a common sense best practice coming from far more years of experience than I would care to admit to; then having it dismissed in an off hand fashion of "it hasn't happened to me yet, so it can't be a problem." It only takes one time.
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dsims:
It amazes me when I give a common sense best practice coming from far more years of experience than I would care to admit to; then having it dismissed in an off hand fashion of "it hasn't happened to me yet, so it can't be a problem." It only takes one time.
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Back on topic and to the OP, this guy (his name is John?) seem to know a few things. LISTEN to him!! You can pull that battery a million times successfully with no problem. It only takes ONCE and all hell breaks loose (like your in the middle of Android update or camera was open and you loose all you pictures?) there are other options, soft reset or ask someone here. You get an answer pretty fast.. ........
The only other thing I can add? Backup your phone often and move backup to your laptop, desktop, USB Drive.......Whatever. And if your into rooting and flashing ROM's, Titanium Backup is a must!! I think I paid like $9.00 but its a life saver!! I have mine auto set for 3AM Monday?,
Either way, good luck!
John,
Since we are all friends here, quick funny story. I worked for payroll processing company. we were doing new internet project and along the way, it never worked correctly. They hired this white boy (I will explain that later!) as president of some crap from M.I.T. and as I used to work for IBM, he wanted me. He had this bright idea to upgrade and do re-org on DB as same time. In planning this, I found IBM White Paper stating "Not to do this unless instructed by IBM Development?" I did not test this, I just showed idiot this paper? His thing was, "Don't worry about it, I will do it myself?" My thing to my direct manager..............I was told to leave him alone. I always knew DB2 and Orcale did not play nice. I know DB2, not Orcale, but I know they are not friends. Friday he did it, Saturday I was on my way to dallas!
Now said white boy as an a**! A A** to everyone around except me and another brother. He treated us like pets for some odd reason. BB (I use initials) leased a Lexus on company because he told him he was tired of putting mileage on his car? I got suite at hotel because I was working MAD hours and r.oom was killing me. One hand, I hated him. He dropped my bosses budget from $5Million to like $250K? but hey, he was hooking me up?
The VERY next Tuesday upon my return, he wanted to talk. Idiot had plan for Friday to again do this. My thing was, we need to bring in IBM Development. His thing was.,"I have 2 Masters from M.I.T, I don't need IBM!" I told my manager AND his boss at the same time (I'll never forget cause it seems like yesterday) "Don't call me this weekend and if you I will immediately resign!" Now me and my manager were like brothers, he** I loved him more then my actual brothers! We had travled the together, our families knew each other. He knew I was serious!
Friday I go to Happy Hour then Liquor Store for bottle of Remy' Martin and case of beer. 2:00AM I start to get hammered. 8:00AM doorbell rings, its my manager, he just tells me to read this! A note from CEO, fly to Dallas, fix AS400 (AS400? that funny cause they have changed Server name like 3 times since then?) and I will give you 50 shares of stock and anything Hardware Support needs? I'm drunk and tired and don't feel like packing crap. Manager says, I'll take you to PHL and go with you, we can get clothes in Dallas? Hum................
After my return, a few things changed!!! I personally had lunch with CEO (he was in another city, saw pictures, but never met him?) He told me this could never happen again. I told him I told his choice idiot, my manager, and 3 other VP's days before his planning, NOT to do it. He told me if I have any trouble out of idiot, call his cell phone and gave me his cell number. After him, idiot and I meet. What can we do to prevent this?
1. Don't do it again, bring in IBM. Done
2. The 11 guys in my department have been doing my work remotely and helping me on this internet project. They need new laptops. Thinkpads. 1.5GHz Duel Core with 2GB of memory (Hey, that was huge back then!) Done.
3. I have really been busting my a** from 7:30AM to 10:00PM 7 days a week. I really need some rest and get away. Additionally, I have no clue whats going on in my department............................I would have been fine with weekend in AC, 45 minute drive. Me, 11 people in my group including manger AND their family's flew to Disney. We had 2 hour meeting in conference room on Friday and partied like he** until Monday!!
Like you stated, it's one in a million pulling that battery, but if you get that once, there is a HUGE price attached!
Hope you all enjoyed my story!
The last phone I had was a Galaxy S2 and rooting and installing a new ROM was quite simple. They even had directions+tools to revert back to stock... What's the deal now?
What is dm-verity and how do I figure out if the ROM I want to install has it.. disabled? enabled?
I have no more warranty so I'm not worried about triggering knox.
This latest update has basically fried my battery... the battery discharges in about 3-4 hours using youtube red with airplane mode enabled, and the battery is also quite warm (at least 100 degrees F!)
I just want to be able to disable/enable services I want.
I'm on SM-G925T on 6.0.1/G925TUVS4EPH2, specifically. How do I find compatible ROMs and roots? I don't want to brick anything.
I understand this is a long shot since I see so many other posts with no replies but, I'm kind of desperate. I'm actually worried my phone might explode because of how warm it gets now.
I just got the phone about two days ago, did all the 8000 updates via OTA (phone came with 5.0.2) and landed on the 6.01 EPH2 that you're on and my battery life has been absolutely horrible as well. I'm thinking about returning the phone over it. Idk what to do.
xy34 said:
The last phone I had was a Galaxy S2 and rooting and installing a new ROM was quite simple. They even had directions+tools to revert back to stock... What's the deal now?
What is dm-verity and how do I figure out if the ROM I want to install has it.. disabled? enabled?
I have no more warranty so I'm not worried about triggering knox.
This latest update has basically fried my battery... the battery discharges in about 3-4 hours using youtube red with airplane mode enabled, and the battery is also quite warm (at least 100 degrees F!)
I just want to be able to disable/enable services I want.
I'm on SM-G925T on 6.0.1/G925TUVS4EPH2, specifically. How do I find compatible ROMs and roots? I don't want to brick anything.
I understand this is a long shot since I see so many other posts with no replies but, I'm kind of desperate. I'm actually worried my phone might explode because of how warm it gets now.
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Thus device has been horrile for me too...
I have been trying to find folks who could actually communicate and help a little too..
Had a galaxy 3 in 2010 and a s4 in 2014, both were easy... bootloop, flash again.. not much risks..
Here we cant even remove the batteries and a lot of rhinfs that can make it stuck....
I do have root and twrp recovery btw..
If you want help getting those, just install telegram and search for user DSN .
I can help faster there and also link up to a few rom threads where people are quite active incase for help
I've been modding and ROMing for what seems like almost 10 years, the ROM development on this phone is horrible, I blame Samsung for this, too many variants, had the S6 on 4 networks and S6 edge on 4 networks, Hopefully Google makes a really nice new phone or I'm going to the other side.
I guess it's starting to make more sense now. Samsung obviously tried to squash custom build efforts by releasing so many different variants. It's a bit reassuring that people are having the same problems as I am...
To the person who just got the phone - RETURN IT!
Ironically, after I did a lot of browsing on this site during my morning commute, the phone started behaving better. It's still slow (not in my OP but it's definitely freezing whereas this wasn't an issue before) but the battery life is back to normal-ish levels and it hasn't warmed up on me. Maybe just keep browsing this site? LOL
Thanks, Samsung... I used to love the Galaxy line but this is some real Apple-esque **** (y'know, the whole updating the phone before the next generation gets released and having it run slow as **** thing.) Just Google the issue and there's lots of claims. I remember reading a reddit post where an Apple employee or cell phone repair store employee was saying that he'd have an influx of customers just before a new phone release.
It's all speculation but I wouldn't be surprised. They (Samsung) just did it after S7 got released. Too bad I'm stuck paying $30/month for this phone for the next two years. Never should have updated! It was perfect before all this.
That was me. Return it for what though? There's not much else in the price range that I was able to put down for a down payment that tmobile offers.....I put 276 down and the phone cost 499 total. The G5 is also 499 but I see nothing but complaints about it.......the S7 and S7 Edge they wanted close to 450 down and I just couldn't afford that so I went with the S6 Edge. What else is there?
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That was me. Return it for what though? There's not much else in the price range that I was able to put down for a down payment that tmobile offers.....I put 276 down and the phone cost 499 total. The G5 is also 499 but I see nothing but complaints about it.......the S7 and S7 Edge they wanted close to 450 down and I just couldn't afford that so I went with the S6 Edge. What else is there?
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Look into the LG G4, maybe. Same era as the S6 but it's got a removable battery and external storage and I think it's easier to install custom software and root, but hopefully you won't need to if it runs well. Do your own research, yknow! Don't blindly follow anyone's advice, obviously. Let me know what you decide.
Hey guys, so....
I don't know if I'm screwed or what. I have an original notes of a not a replacement 1. I got it about a week before The 1st recall. I returned to Verizon about 4 times in the past month and a half to try to get a replacement device [ with the new battery or whatever they did to the replacements ]. However every visit I was told they didn't have my color, gray, in stock. Now it's two months out and there's a total recall on it and I have an original device. I like the phone and wanted to keep it. What the heck do I do now? I've read through some of the threads about keeping the replacement note 7 or not, but I haven't seen anybody with an original one. Is your anybody else with an original note 7 that's going to keep it? And do you guys think that development will continue after all that's happened?
TLR - I still have an original note 7, not replaced (they never had my color), Do you guys think it's safe to keep it and do you think development will continue or die off early ?
Thanks for any advice. Man I really like this stylus ....
outamoney said:
Hey guys, so....
I don't know if I'm screwed or what. I have an original notes of a not a replacement 1. I got it about a week before The 1st recall. I returned to Verizon about 4 times in the past month and a half to try to get a replacement device [ with the new battery or whatever they did to the replacements ]. However every visit I was told they didn't have my color, gray, in stock. Now it's two months out and there's a total recall on it and I have an original device. I like the phone and wanted to keep it. What the heck do I do now? I've read through some of the threads about keeping the replacement note 7 or not, but I haven't seen anybody with an original one. Is your anybody else with an original note 7 that's going to keep it? And do you guys think that development will continue after all that's happened?
TLR - I still have an original note 7, not replaced (they never had my color), Do you guys think it's safe to keep it and do you think development will continue or die off early ?
Thanks for any advice. Man I really like this stylus ....
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I'm in the exact same situation as you. I still have the original model Note 7 and have tried multiple times to exchange it for the "safe" model. At this point given the evidence, I believe that both models are equally safe (relatively). New models and old models catching on fire combined equaled around 90 cases out of about 2,000,000. I'm not sure if the failure rate on the updated models went down, but I feel that failure rate in general is about on par with other devices.
I have read about Apple phones in the past catching on fire. The difference is Samsung tried to be super responsible in this situation by taking ownership and the media and such has definitely exacerbated the situation. Apple never took ownership of any of the battery failures that happened with their devices, and mostly blamed it on the user using 3rd party accessories and such.
I may be wrong, but I believe the issue was blown out of proportion. I'm not saying the phone is safe, but I'm also not saying that this phone is way more unsafe than any of the others.
So, given the statistics and history of the two different models, if you disable fast charging on the device I believe the two different models are on equal ground as far as failure rates go. Which are higher than they should be but still fairly low.
jal3223 said:
. New models and old models catching on fire combined equaled around 90 cases out of about 2,000,000.
I may be wrong, but I believe the issue was blown out of proportion .
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I even thought it was less than that and I'd take those odds, I don't think theyre too bad . However, I did think that my battery was kind of sub-par; this note 7 sucks down quite a bit of juice. I was hoping at the replacements had a better battery or longer-lasting one or something ????.
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I even thought it was less than that and I'd take those odds, I don't think theyre too bad . However, I did think that my battery was kind of sub-par; this note 7 sucks down quite a bit of juice. I was hoping at the replacements had a better battery or longer-lasting one or something ????.
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to bad it doesnt even matter now lol.. u guys got v1 so the only way you can get a v2 is to try n find one from a third party
elliwigy said:
to bad it doesnt even matter now lol.. u guys got v1 so the only way you can get a v2 is to try n find one from a third party
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Is v1 any more prone to failure than v2 though? They sourced the battery from a different manufacturer for v2 to try to head off the problem and there were still fire reports. I'm thinking that the failure rate is probably the same as any other phone, only with Samsung trying to be super careful by calling a recall, actually put themselves under a microscope in the media. They even said that they could not replicate the issue in their labs. V2 was just hoping that the battery was the problem. Which it seems that it wasn't.
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Is v1 any more prone to failure than v2 though? They sourced the battery from a different manufacturer for v2 to try to head off the problem and there were still fire reports. I'm thinking that the failure rate is probably the same as any other phone, only with Samsung trying to be super careful by calling a recall, actually put themselves under a microscope in the media. They even said that they could not replicate the issue in their labs. V2 was just hoping that the battery was the problem. Which it seems that it wasn't.
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they had a lot more reports with v1.. I think it was 90+ then v2 I think is under 10... not sure if time is the culprit or not however
I asked this question in another thread before. But the curiousity of mine got the better of me..
I tried to search for updates on Note 7 these couple of days and all the news were about refunds, recall, banned from flights.. nothing on new 'explosions'? Can't be all phones were returned or absolutely no one using. Even if all phones are turned off, there is still a possibility of one catching fire right?
Or did I miss something?
I'm not really saying conspiracy theories. Just coincidentally.. it just cease... touch wood..
i post a linked earlier showing that there are more people using the note 7 after the 2nd recall for some reason.
mission accomplished, as for the fruity co. and the tyrant mighty G, lol
But on a serious "note", pun intended.. really no more new cases? It is getting more and more coincidental isn't it?
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I asked this question in another thread before. But the curiousity of mine got the better of me..
I tried to search for updates on Note 7 these couple of days and all the news were about refunds, recall, banned from flights.. nothing on new 'explosions'? Can't be all phones were returned or absolutely no one using. Even if all phones are turned off, there is still a possibility of one catching fire right?
Or did I miss something?
I'm not really saying conspiracy theories. Just coincidentally.. it just cease... touch wood..
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I never saw in the press all 23 the cpsc says happened from Sept 15 till the other day so likely they are still happening. Not everyone runs to the verge.
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I never saw in the press all 23 the cpsc says happened from Sept 15 till the other day so likely they are still happening. Not everyone runs to the verge.
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Or because it was not news worthy anymore? There is a case of the phone caught fire when it was off. So I guess it will happen randomly even when every Note users switched it off. Yet, zero reports news. The more I think of it, the more I feel that it is a waste to recall everything single one world wide.
There was one that caught fire a few days ago, I think Oct 10th, in South Korea at a Burger King and got caught on video so, yes they're still having problems and as long as people keep them and continue using them we'll see incidents reported at some point.
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There was one that caught fire a few days ago, I think Oct 10th, in South Korea at a Burger King and got caught on video so, yes they're still having problems and as long as people keep them and continue using them we'll see incidents reported at some point.
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What i actually meant was cases after those reported earlier. After saying they stop production and recalling.
Because there are so many people intent on keeping their devices, I'm absolutely positive we'll see more reports as time passes. I don't suspect we'll see hundreds or even thousands of them since it's such a random thing so far - happens when it's on, happens when it's off, happens when it's charging, happens when it's not charging, and so on - but even so we haven't seen the last reports, no, not by a long shot.
Personal opinion, obviously, but since people are freakin' stupid that's an absolute guarantee that this situation is far far from over.
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Because there are so many people intent on keeping their devices, I'm absolutely positive we'll see more reports as time passes. I don't suspect we'll see hundreds or even thousands of them since it's such a random thing so far - happens when it's on, happens when it's off, happens when it's charging, happens when it's not charging, and so on - but even so we haven't seen the last reports, no, not by a long shot.
Personal opinion, obviously, but since people are freakin' stupid that's an absolute guarantee that this situation is far far from over.
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Ok. Refraining from branding others being stupid... i just like to point out that, a substantial number 'randomly' happen over a short span of time, then randomlynothing happen after that. That doesn't translate to random in my limited knowledge.
I think you're trying to figure out randomness a little too tightly there. Is this type of incident predictable to any given level of confidence? No. Does it happen at unpredictable times? Yes. Has it happened in a wide geographical spread aka worldwide? Yes. Has it happened on original devices and also replacement models that use entirely different batteries that come from a completely different supplier? Yes.
By definition that would mean it's a random thing.
As for the "nothing happens" concept, that could be because people are not using their devices - and yes we know it has happened on devices that were entirely powered down and not charging which could lend some credibility towards it being a compression/pressure issue on the battery that causes the thermal runaway condition which can occur over time, not just in an instant when it's desired. Even so, not using a Note 7 can apparently be just as potentially hazardous as using one so, again, returning the device is plain old prudent and common sense.
Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same.
Some people will believe anything they read, either in mainstream news or rags such as 'The Verge'.
They may well be the ones who are duped.
Re: "Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same."
Solution? Solution to what exactly?
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I think you're trying to figure out randomness a little too tightly there. Is this type of incident predictable to any given level of confidence? No. Does it happen at unpredictable times? Yes. Has it happened in a wide geographical spread aka worldwide? Yes. Has it happened on original devices and also replacement models that use entirely different batteries that come from a completely different supplier? Yes.
By definition that would mean it's a random thing.
As for the "nothing happens" concept, that could be because people are not using their devices - and yes we know it has happened on devices that were entirely powered down and not charging which could lend some credibility towards it being a compression/pressure issue on the battery that causes the thermal runaway condition which can occur over time, not just in an instant when it's desired. Even so, not using a Note 7 can apparently be just as potentially hazardous as using one so, again, returning the device is plain old prudent and common sense.
Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same.
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It can happen to any units, whether manufactured initially or the second batch, using any batteries at any country. Agree. And if a hardware can't be pinpoint, probably it is design flaw. And design flaw means, it can still happen. Agree. No doubt we will have to turn it in.
But just to emphasize what I've mentioned, why the pattern occurs with such intensityat certain point, but stopped at suddenly. Shouldn't it occurs at least at some point of time, somewhere to someone in the past few days? Why the inconsistency in occurrance if it was a hardware/design failure? Either we should have a incidence happening in Southeast asia, or we should expect one in Europe. But it just stop. Whether the phones were operating or returned or still in used dont add up to the equation now. Why this phenomenon ceased after they decide to close down production and recall all back. Unless the phones know through supernatural means that it is time to stop exploding because they are going back to mother ship ( Samsung), I have no other answers which I'm seeking for.
At this point media don't care... phone is destroyed and all that refund, recall **** is more important then just writing about it blowing up OK just combustion over and over is boring. Unless someone goes to hospital you will hear it... and looking that note7 usage increased smth like that can happen... rly sad 2 years for note users in Europe... will be waiting for note8 with my s7e...
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It can happen to any units, whether manufactured initially or the second batch, using any batteries at any country. Agree. And if a hardware can't be pinpoint, probably it is design flaw. And design flaw means, it can still happen. Agree. No doubt we will have to turn it in.
But just to emphasize what I've mentioned, why the pattern occurs with such intensityat certain point, but stopped at suddenly. Shouldn't it occurs at least at some point of time, somewhere to someone in the past few days? Why the inconsistency in occurrance if it was a hardware/design failure? Either we should have a incidence happening in Southeast asia, or we should expect one in Europe. But it just stop. Whether the phones were operating or returned or still in used dont add up to the equation now. Why this phenomenon ceased after they decide to close down production and recall all back. Unless the phones know through supernatural means that it is time to stop exploding because they are going back to mother ship ( Samsung), I have no other answers which I'm seeking for.
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This is also what I asked in a previous thread, but some guys jumped on easy clichees...
It is strange that we never heard of any issues with any of the phones which were on display worldwide, always connected to chargers and handled by a lot of people in all the possible ways...
Now, after the first recall, we suddenly hear of reports, some saying the phone was not charging or was even turned off. They started the fears that the phone is dangerous, no matter if on or off. Even so no report of any phone going crazy in any warehouse or during the shipping back, despite the 'concerns' of majority of the shipping companies that refuse to ship the phone...
Now, ban the phone completely in the airplanes...
Still, as you noticed, after the last decision, the phones, 'magically', started the be afraid and are behaving well, no matter that the number of Note 7 still in use is increasing so, it is not quite true that the people is shutting them down...
Yesterday I saw a news that an iPhone 7 busted in flames and injured the owner on the face, because he was filming with the phone. Not many sites mentioned the incident...
I might be wrong, but there are a little too more coincidences for such a 'random' issue...
Anyhow, it appears that 'Mission is completed!'...
Let's hope that we see a future for the Note line!
Ok, consider this: since we don't actually know (we meaning you, me, Samsung, and anybody else at this precise moment in time) what's causing these problems which appear to be random in nature and could happen at any given time and yet you're wondering why we haven't seen any new incidents being reported at this time you have to consider something else as well.
You have to consider:
- that Samsung had a 1st recall and got the word out to the world about the potential for the device to catch on fire and burn up causing problems
- that Samsung attempted to resolve the issue but wasn't or hasn't been able to effectively reproduce it with any consistency that we (meaning the general public at large worldwide) have been made aware of
- that Samsung leaned towards it being a battery issue so they switched suppliers for the batteries that were to go in replacement devices
- that Samsung created and distributed a firmware update that when applied to the Note 7 caused the charging circuit to enforce more stringent limitations on not only the amount of current being applied when charging was taking place (to keep the battery from potentially overheating) but also some temperature related adjustments bringing the previous thermal limits down quite a bit (to cause the device to shut down if the thermal limits were breached) and also modified the battery icon from Google's mandated white color to green for a quick identification of "fixed" devices (Samsung had to ask for permission to do that, actually, but Google had no reason to deny it and I think it was a good idea overall in this situation)
- that Samsung then got reports of some of the replacement units also exhibiting the same type of behavior and also failing because of a thermal runaway condition and therefore they initiated a second voluntary recall of the original devices that had the update applied but also the replacement models that shipped with a) a new battery from the different supplier and b) the firmware applied to limit the charging current and the modified thermal limits
- that Samsung worked closely with the Consumer Product Safety Commission here in the U.S. in getting the word out about the 1st and then the 2nd recall, both voluntary as requested by Samsung itself
- that Samsung finally had to toss in the towel on the Note 7, declare it utterly dead for all intents and purposes, and then have the CPSC step the recall up to a mandatory one (at least here in the U.S.)
Now, considering all that information, all those events that have happened since all this started, it's pretty obvious to see that the information has spread far and wide from websites on the Internet to local TV station news broadcasts talking about the Note 7 to comedians and late night TV talk show hosts making jokes about the Note 7 (I just got done watching "Real Time with Bill Maher" and even HE made a joke in his opening monologue related to Samsung and this Note 7 fiasco) to cable news networks mentioning it, and then finally Samsung and carriers contacting customers by email and sending SMS text messages to their numbers with information and alerts about returning the devices.
What's my point?
What has changed in the past week or so if that:
- because of the spread of that information people stopped using their Note 7 devices, completely, most people probably turning them off/powering them down totally and just not messing with them again (this doesn't necessarily protect them from potential problems because at least 2 instances of the Note 7 exploding/burning up were attributed to devices that were totally powered down, I can't confirm that's absolute true and the stories are not false, I'm just saying that there were at least 2 reports worldwide of Note 7 devices having this problem that can't be replicated on demand when they were totally powered off according to the claimants)
- because of the spread of that information people contacted Samsung and their carriers and started returning their devices as requested by Samsung per the recall (a week ago it was still voluntary) - again, they stopped using them
- because of the spread of that information Samsung and the carriers started collecting the recalled units removing them from potential use and powering them down which may be their safest condition but it's not 100% safe for sure without any doubt whatsoever - that's why this recall is happening because no one can absolutely guarantee that any given Note 7 won't exhibit this problem so they have to sweep them all off the planet, plain and simple
I hope that helps with understanding why the number of incidents appears to be lower now as opposed to a week or even 2-4 weeks ago when this really got started. More people know about it, more people got more accurate info, got notifications from Samsung and their carriers about a potential safety hazard with the Note 7, and those people - the intelligent ones that understand this could prove to be a very serious problem if it happens to them - did what they were requested to do and because of that the total number of incidents that have happened is now lower due to those people taking action on their own parts to get things corrected.
I don't see why most people don't grasp this - I still see people blaming Samsung as though it's a conspiracy of sorts just to take away their Note 7's which is utter rubbish from any intelligent angle you can look at this situation from. Things happen, mistakes are made, other phones have had similar problems from time to time but in this situation with the Note 7 it happened almost at the time of release (a few weeks at most) and it happened with a higher frequency aka more people worldwide reporting on it.
If something happens once, it can sometimes be attributed to just a defect in that one unit, a mishap on the production line, someone not paying attention and making a mistake. If it happens to the same product in two or three devices of the same type, it could indicate a problem with the production again but contained to a respectable degree. When it happens a few dozen times, and not only that but when it causes the public to incur some damage to person or property, that's when it becomes a much more severe issue - it's that bridge of going from "oh, my device has a problem..." to "oh, my device just blew up and scorched my leg/pants/table/chair/sofa/bed/purse/backpack/dash of my car/etc..." that things take on a completely different situation.
tl;dr version: Not as many people are using the Note 7 today or in the past few days as there were a week ago, or two weeks ago, and so on. Really, that's the simplest answer of all.
See how that works? Hope this helps...
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Ok, consider this: since we don't actually know (we meaning you, me, Samsung, and anybody else at this precise moment in time) what's causing these problems which appear to be random in nature and could happen at any given time and yet you're wondering why we haven't seen any new incidents being reported at this time you have to consider something else as well.
You have to consider:
- that Samsung had a 1st recall and got the word out to the world about the potential for the device to catch on fire and burn up causing problems
- that Samsung attempted to resolve the issue but wasn't or hasn't been able to effectively reproduce it with any consistency that we (meaning the general public at large worldwide) have been made aware of
- that Samsung leaned towards it being a battery issue so they switched suppliers for the batteries that were to go in replacement devices
- that Samsung created and distributed a firmware update that when applied to the Note 7 caused the charging circuit to enforce more stringent limitations on not only the amount of current being applied when charging was taking place (to keep the battery from potentially overheating) but also some temperature related adjustments bringing the previous thermal limits down quite a bit (to cause the device to shut down if the thermal limits were breached) and also modified the battery icon from Google's mandated white color to green for a quick identification of "fixed" devices (Samsung had to ask for permission to do that, actually, but Google had no reason to deny it and I think it was a good idea overall in this situation)
- that Samsung then got reports of some of the replacement units also exhibiting the same type of behavior and also failing because of a thermal runaway condition and therefore they initiated a second voluntary recall of the original devices that had the update applied but also the replacement models that shipped with a) a new battery from the different supplier and b) the firmware applied to limit the charging current and the modified thermal limits
- that Samsung worked closely with the Consumer Product Safety Commission here in the U.S. in getting the word out about the 1st and then the 2nd recall, both voluntary as requested by Samsung itself
- that Samsung finally had to toss in the towel on the Note 7, declare it utterly dead for all intents and purposes, and then have the CPSC step the recall up to a mandatory one (at least here in the U.S.)
Now, considering all that information, all those events that have happened since all this started, it's pretty obvious to see that the information has spread far and wide from websites on the Internet to local TV station news broadcasts talking about the Note 7 to comedians and late night TV talk show hosts making jokes about the Note 7 (I just got done watching "Real Time with Bill Maher" and even HE made a joke in his opening monologue related to Samsung and this Note 7 fiasco) to cable news networks mentioning it, and then finally Samsung and carriers contacting customers by email and sending SMS text messages to their numbers with information and alerts about returning the devices.
What's my point?
What has changed in the past week or so if that:
- because of the spread of that information people stopped using their Note 7 devices, completely, most people probably turning them off/powering them down totally and just not messing with them again (this doesn't necessarily protect them from potential problems because at least 2 instances of the Note 7 exploding/burning up were attributed to devices that were totally powered down, I can't confirm that's absolute true and the stories are not false, I'm just saying that there were at least 2 reports worldwide of Note 7 devices having this problem that can't be replicated on demand when they were totally powered off according to the claimants)
- because of the spread of that information people contacted Samsung and their carriers and started returning their devices as requested by Samsung per the recall (a week ago it was still voluntary) - again, they stopped using them
- because of the spread of that information Samsung and the carriers started collecting the recalled units removing them from potential use and powering them down which may be their safest condition but it's not 100% safe for sure without any doubt whatsoever - that's why this recall is happening because no one can absolutely guarantee that any given Note 7 won't exhibit this problem so they have to sweep them all off the planet, plain and simple
I hope that helps with understanding why the number of incidents appears to be lower now as opposed to a week or even 2-4 weeks ago when this really got started. More people know about it, more people got more accurate info, got notifications from Samsung and their carriers about a potential safety hazard with the Note 7, and those people - the intelligent ones that understand this could prove to be a very serious problem if it happens to them - did what they were requested to do and because of that the total number of incidents that have happened is now lower due to those people taking action on their own parts to get things corrected.
I don't see why most people don't grasp this - I still see people blaming Samsung as though it's a conspiracy of sorts just to take away their Note 7's which is utter rubbish from any intelligent angle you can look at this situation from. Things happen, mistakes are made, other phones have had similar problems from time to time but in this situation with the Note 7 it happened almost at the time of release (a few weeks at most) and it happened with a higher frequency aka more people worldwide reporting on it.
If something happens once, it can sometimes be attributed to just a defect in that one unit, a mishap on the production line, someone not paying attention and making a mistake. If it happens to the same product in two or three devices of the same type, it could indicate a problem with the production again but contained to a respectable degree. When it happens a few dozen times, and not only that but when it causes the public to incur some damage to person or property, that's when it becomes a much more severe issue - it's that bridge of going from "oh, my device has a problem..." to "oh, my device just blew up and scorched my leg/pants/table/chair/sofa/bed/purse/backpack/dash of my car/etc..." that things take on a completely different situation.
tl;dr version: Not as many people are using the Note 7 today or in the past few days as there were a week ago, or two weeks ago, and so on. Really, that's the simplest answer of all.
See how that works? Hope this helps...
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I see that you took a long time to prepare all this
Even if it is a lot of good info here, still it doesn't answer few of my questions...
How come it never happened in any showroom, with the phones always charging and handled by a lot of people?
How come it never happened to any warehouse, hypothetically having hundreds of units in one place? Don't tell they were powered off...
How come this hysteria with fireproof boxes and gloves for the returns when we did not hear any single case of a phone catching fire during the shipping?
I could continue mentioning the lack of cases in Canada, Europe, Middle East, etc. but I don't plan to go polemic...
Still, everyone is free to read and understand the news in the way it serves his/her beliefs and concerns about the 'life' in general...
It might be that some people is not ready to 'buy' all that media is 'selling' to us and ask themselves a few extra questions, sometimes good ones, sometimes maybe not...
And, as for the number of phones still in use:
http://phandroid.com/2016/10/14/galaxy-note-7-use-after-recall/
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Typed it all off the top of my head as I pretty much always do.
Even if it is a lot of good info here, still it doesn't answer few of my questions...
How come it never happened in any showroom, with the phones always charging and handled by a lot of people?
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This goes along with my working theory:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-7/how-to/note-7-battery-issue-theory-progress-t3480235
related to the fact that the issue is more than likely caused by pressure on the case which is passed on to the battery itself which could result in the anode-cathode contact issue creating the thermal runaway. Just the fact that those showroom devices are handled by a lot of people doesn't equate to people using them in the real world: storing them in bags where they can be subject to external pressure(s) of various kinds, stuffed in a back pocket when people sit down (this happens so often it's scary), and other situations.
Also, consider that those kinds of devices are always plugged in when they're in a showroom or on a demo display which means they're never really charging - they stay in a constantly charged state with a minimal trickle at best. They're not having situations where they use the battery, then it needs to be recharged causing some heat stress, then they use the battery again, have to be recharged meaning heat cycling again, and so on. Typical usage means it's used, it's charged, it's used, it's charged, it's used, it's charged, you get the idea, right? Right?
I am 100% confident that the issues the Note 7 is having are not caused by heat nor are they directly attributable to heat itself inside the device. That's my opinion and I'm not pushing it on anybody.
How come it never happened to any warehouse, hypothetically having hundreds of units in one place? Don't tell they were powered off...
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Same reason I just stated: if the anode-cathode contact situation happens because of pressure on the battery (which is already barely able to fit inside the Note 7 as it is), packed down tightly, malformed by the packaging it uses, then wrapped on the edges by black electrical tape, crammed into that tiny space then it has pressure applied when the cover is on due to the sticky tape (as thin as it is that still causes pressure on the battery cell) then it must be considered as a potential for this happening. See the article in my theory where it shows info about the probably plate issues and the new production method of the Note 7 to get the symmetric glass top and bottom.
Again, my opinions but that have a basis in actual facts with respect to Li-Ion battery cell technology.
How come this hysteria with fireproof boxes and gloves for the returns when we did not hear any single case of a phone catching fire during the shipping?
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The Note 7 has exhibited a defect that has caused some devices to combust/explode/catch on fire so there's no "not really all that safe" way to do a recall - you go all the way and use the tools necessary and that means the custom boxes and gloves and everything related. We don't KNOW anything about potential issues with devices being shipped BACK at this point, that information is simply not available so you're speculating that nothing has happened since the 1st voluntary recall and now into the 2nd mandatory one. Samsung isn't necessarily going to advertise yet another failure but this time in a return package sent back to them, the shippers like FedEx and UPS aren't going to advertise they've had problems either - THAT is the kind of hysteria they don't need and to maintain public safety and not blow things out of proportion (pun intended) with respect to facts then all they're required to do is say the recall is underway and they're getting devices returned to them.
I could continue mentioning the lack of cases in Canada, Europe, Middle East, etc. but I don't plan to go polemic...
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You have no idea if any reports from Canada, Europe, Middle East, etc have actually been made at this point in time because Samsung has not made any public statements with a detailed accounting of all the reports they've received and will probably continue to receive as time passes. Nobody outside of Samsung and the respective carriers worldwide in said countries and perhaps the shippers would be aware of things - if you're going by the number of pictures posted online or the number of YouTube videos to judge the number of actually defective devices that have combust or exploded, you're just doing it wrong.
Still, everyone is free to read and understand the news in the way it serves his/her beliefs and concerns about the 'life' in general...
It might be that some people is not ready to 'buy' all that media is 'selling' to us and ask themselves a few extra questions, sometimes good ones, sometimes maybe not...
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That's entirely up to them, my opinion is fine, if you want to keep your Note 7 and continue using it, great, more power to you but don't come whining if and when you have issues with it. The Note 7 is dead, warranty service is dead, updates will not be forthcoming (aside from a potential one to brick devices, entirely possible so we'll see what happens), it is a black Pariah at this point and should be avoided - I for one won't tolerate people around me using a Note 7 if one happens to come near me, I'll flat out tell 'em to move away. I don't need more stupidity invading my space than I can tolerate (which is quite a lot, I assure you, but even I have limits).
Think of it this way: do you really think Samsung wants to be spending an estimated $5 billion in the coming weeks and months, losing billions and billions more in now lost sales potential, and then destroying every Note 7 they get back just because it's something to do? Suffering catastrophic damage to their financials for the next few quarters as well as their reputation and the basic demise of the Note brand altogether? I can assure you it's not just something to do, this is serious stuff and it's going to cost them more than their estimates are letting on, a lot more and not only just in a dollar amount and it's already happening.
And, as for the number of phones still in use:
http://phandroid.com/2016/10/14/galaxy-note-7-use-after-recall/
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Ok, so people continue to use their effectively dead no updates coming Note 7's, so... they'll figure it out sooner or later and move on, that much is a fact.
Anything else?
The Phone Company said:
Some people will believe anything they read, either in mainstream news or rags such as 'The Verge'.
They may well be the ones who are duped.
Re: "Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same."
Solution? Solution to what exactly?
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So you are suggesting that Samsung decided TWICE to recall and then cease production of a perfectly healthy functional device and lose multi billions of euros just because of the media ?
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br0adband said:
I think you're trying to figure out randomness a little too tightly there. Is this type of incident predictable to any given level of confidence? No. Does it happen at unpredictable times? Yes. Has it happened in a wide geographical spread aka worldwide? Yes. Has it happened on original devices and also replacement models that use entirely different batteries that come from a completely different supplier? Yes.
By definition that would mean it's a random thing.
As for the "nothing happens" concept, that could be because people are not using their devices - and yes we know it has happened on devices that were entirely powered down and not charging which could lend some credibility towards it being a compression/pressure issue on the battery that causes the thermal runaway condition which can occur over time, not just in an instant when it's desired. Even so, not using a Note 7 can apparently be just as potentially hazardous as using one so, again, returning the device is plain old prudent and common sense.
Anybody that can't see that returning the Note 7 is the best solution possible is - as I've stated - being stupid for their own reasons but stupid just the same.
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And I think you don't understand what random means. Clearly *something* is causing this problem, which maybe far from random. It's simply that no-one has managed to figure out what the something is. Maybe EVERY Note 7 may at some point burst into flames. But it is equally possible that this is not the case, and only certain ones might do that. No-one knows yet.
And by the way, do we know exactly how many devices have spontaneously combusted whilst powered off? Probably not, but is it as many as were powered on? No, I think we can say with a high degree of confidence that it is not. We are talking one or two, or 4 or 5 maybe, out of a couple of hundred. If the "anode & cathode coming into contact" theory was correct, then it wouldn't make any difference whether the phone was powered on or off at the time, so this explanation seems very unlikely to me.