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General questions about rom's

Hey guys, another noob question. im currently on stock rom ulvh2 , im want to get a custom rom, but i can find for differet stocks like uvlg and stuff like that, the problem is that i cant find anywhere to download this stock rom e,g uvlg to flash on it the room, my question is does the custom rom comes with the stock rom already? it surely takes alot of space ~500mb (the wicked one).
Also what is the meaning of "ADT" and the word "Hybrid" i speaking about the wicked rom.
Final questions is what is the difference between the Tmobile original development thread and the tmobile development thread.
Im really trying to understand the stuff going here- not easy i have to say
thanks for the help!

modesty1 said:
Hey guys, another noob question. im currently on stock rom ulvh2 , im want to get a custom rom, but i can find for differet stocks like uvlg and stuff like that, the problem is that i cant find anywhere to download this stock rom e,g uvlg to flash on it the room, my question is does the custom rom comes with the stock rom already? it surely takes alot of space ~500mb (the wicked one).
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Custom ROMs like the ones you are talking about are stock with modifications, so yes, it is the "full" package.
Also what is the meaning of "ADT" and the word "Hybrid" i speaking about the wicked rom.
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I'm new to Android (came from BlackBerry), but hybrid means exactly what you would think. It's a cross between multiple packages. Some good things taken from each one.
Android Development Tools (ADT) is a plugin for the Eclipse IDE that is designed to give you a powerful, integrated environment in which to build Android applications.
ADT extends the capabilities of Eclipse to let you quickly set up new Android projects, create an application UI, add packages based on the Android Framework API, debug your applications using the Android SDK tools, and even export signed (or unsigned) .apk files in order to distribute your application.
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Final questions is what is the difference between the Tmobile original development thread and the tmobile development thread.
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Development: not original works. Modified stock roms, modems, etc.
Original Development: original works. CyanogenMod, MIUI, the AOKP builds, etc.

[Q] GS3 return to sense ui

I have a AT&T GS3 and am running cyanogenmod 10 stable version but it is set with a pure android os, and i liked all the features that the samsung nature ui offered. Would it be possible to put back the nature ui??

Vman4 said:
I have a AT&T GS3 and am running cyanogenmod 10 stable version but it is set with a pure android os, and i liked all the features that the samsung nature ui offered. Would it be possible to put back the nature ui??
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No. You either have to choose between AOSP or TW. TW being the original.

Vman4 said:
I have a AT&T GS3 and am running cyanogenmod 10 stable version but it is set with a pure android os, and i liked all the features that the samsung nature ui offered. Would it be possible to put back the nature ui??
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if you want to return your phone to factory touchwiz style and settings, i've attached a link. these are the stock firmwares for each carrier. download the correct one and there ya go. i've also attached a link with directions for using odin to flash if this is what you're wanting to do. read over this and understand what you're doing before proceeding. cheers
stock firmware (touchwiz): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1968625&highlight=stock+firmware
odin software and samsung drivers: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671969

personally i'd prefer AOSP roms better than touchwiz
there are only a few things i really love from TW like the S Notes...
but again if you want TW, just download stock rom and flash it with odin
alternatively you can actually download TW theme for your CM/AOKP rom too(if you want to stick with CM/AOKP/AOSP roms while want the TW looks and feel)

I dont really want all of the bloatware by just flashing a stock one. Im a noob to this, could i flash a different kernal??

Vman4 said:
I dont really want all of the bloatware by just flashing a stock one. Im a noob to this, could i flash a different kernal??
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Like I mentioned, you can't have TW on a AOSP ROM. But you can flash a custom TW ROM if you really want those features. You'll find them in the Dev section (not the original).
There are also debloated stock firmware on here but after getting a taste of custom ROM, I believe you'll want to stick with them

Vman4 said:
I dont really want all of the bloatware by just flashing a stock one. Im a noob to this, could i flash a different kernal??
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there are several solid roms in the android development section are debloated versions of stock touchwiz. all the garbage has been removed and some cool features have been added in. i've heard the cs rom and graviton are good. read up on these and make sure you understand how our phones work in general. i wouldnt start playing around with roms, kernels, etc until you know more. wouldnt want to see your phone bricked.

How do I know the difference between TW and AOSP?

I know what they stand for but I'm looking to apply a tweak from TK and everywhere I read "TW will not work with AOSP and vice versa" so how do I know if I have a TW rom or an AOSP rom? I'm on LiquidSmooth which I believe to be AOSP, but how do I know for sure? Also what is the difference between a factory/data reset and wiping the system entirely? Because in TWRP there is an option to Wipe Data and an option to Wipe System, and I always choose to Wipe data before I flash anything but when I click "System" it says "This will wipe your ROM" which sounds safer before flashing a new ROM to me, but then again with just wiping data I've never had a problem with flashing a ROM.

sevenpioverthree said:
I know what they stand for but I'm looking to apply a tweak from TK and everywhere I read "TW will not work with AOSP and vice versa" so how do I know if I have a TW rom or an AOSP rom? I'm on LiquidSmooth which I believe to be AOSP, but how do I know for sure? Also what is the difference between a factory/data reset and wiping the system entirely? Because in TWRP there is an option to Wipe Data and an option to Wipe System, and I always choose to Wipe data before I flash anything but when I click "System" it says "This will wipe your ROM" which sounds safer before flashing a new ROM to me, but then again with just wiping data I've never had a problem with flashing a ROM.
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Try typing in those questions in Google or the search here on XDA I bet you find an answer real fast. Also if you don't know the difference bewtween AOSP and TW I would suggest not doing any tweaking or your next post might be, I BRICKED MY PHONE HELP.

TW or Touchwiz is a proprietary layer that Samsung places on top of the android operating system; it requires it's own set of framework which enables it to give u that fancy user experience. When u first bought your Samsung phone i.e. galaxy s3, u will notice that it comes preloaded with TW. On the other hand, AOSP is basically the pure android experience, if u ever seen or played with nexus phone, then u will notice the difference in layout and graphics. AOSP has it's own set of framework thus making it incompatible with TW. Although some devs have been able to port certain apps from one system to another. That's why u have to be really careful when flashing kernels, make sure they're compatible with the ROM u are CURRENTLY running on ur phone.
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GiantJay said:
Try typing in those questions in Google or the search here on XDA I bet you find an answer real fast. Also if you don't know the difference bewtween AOSP and TW I would suggest not doing any tweaking or your next post might be, I BRICKED MY PHONE HELP.
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I tried doing a search but nothing seemed to answer my question. Also I've been doing some tweaking here and there for educational purposes, nothing major just followed some UV tables and governor values. I have yet to use one of the TK tweaks due to my lack of understanding of the difference between TW and AOSP. Thanks for the concern but I'm really cautious with this stuff, my first time rooting/flashing was 100% success because I did my research
tino_b said:
TW or Touchwiz is a proprietary layer that Samsung places on top of the android operating system; it requires it's own set of framework which enables it to give u that fancy user experience. When u first bought your Samsung phone i.e. galaxy s3, u will notice that it comes preloaded with TW. On the other hand, AOSP is basically the pure android experience, if u ever seen or played with nexus phone, then u will notice the difference in layout and graphics. AOSP has it's own set of framework thus making it incompatible with TW. Although some devs have been able to port certain apps from one system to another. That's why u have to be really careful when flashing kernels, make sure they're compatible with the ROM u are CURRENTLY running on ur phone.
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So essentially, most custom ROMs are AOSP unless otherwise stated? And then these TW kernels are usually targetted towards people with rooted phones on the stock ROM correct?

sevenpioverthree said:
I tried doing a search but nothing seemed to answer my question. Also I've been doing some tweaking here and there for educational purposes, nothing major just followed some UV tables and governor values. I have yet to use one of the TK tweaks due to my lack of understanding of the difference between TW and AOSP. Thanks for the concern but I'm really cautious with this stuff, my first time rooting/flashing was 100% success because I did my research
So essentially, most custom ROMs are AOSP unless otherwise stated? And then these TW kernels are usually targetted towards people with rooted phones on the stock ROM correct?
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No. There are plenty of touchwiz custom roms, actually probably more than aosp roms. The easiest way to tell if you have touchwiz would be to look at your system apps. If you have touchwiz home or a bunch of apps with sec in the name for example sec_phone.apk or sec settings.apk you're on a touchwiz rom. And yes you really do need to do a whole lot more research if you can't figure out which kind of rom you're on or you will end up doing something to your phone you won't like, most likely turning it into a really nice looking doorstop
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I like to break stuff!

I know its pretty difficult when the dev doesnt explicitly say whether its a tw or aosp build. i tried to compile a list of common roms and make a wiki out of them. the wiki is sortable so it should be able to help you out. from there you can flash individual roms and see the differences yourself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2189817

Hamspiced said:
I know its pretty difficult when the dev doesnt explicitly say whether its a tw or aosp build. i tried to compile a list of common roms and make a wiki out of them. the wiki is sortable so it should be able to help you out. from there you can flash individual roms and see the differences yourself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2189817
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Hey Hamspiced,
I've been trying to link people to your Wiki. Would you prefer if I linked to your thread or directly to the Wiki?

topherk said:
Hey Hamspiced,
I've been trying to link people to your Wiki. Would you prefer if I linked to your thread or directly to the Wiki?
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Id prefer the thread. the more foot traffic it gets, the more likely it is to be stickied/devs update it.
I dont have the time to stay up to date on new roms/kernels all the time and id like it to stay rather relevant. it isnt locked so people can ask quesitons if need be on it.

Hamspiced said:
Id prefer the thread. the more foot traffic it gets, the more likely it is to be stickied/devs update it.
I dont have the time to stay up to date on new roms/kernels all the time and id like it to stay rather relevant. it isnt locked so people can ask quesitons if need be on it.
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Ok, I bookmarked the thread in my "commonly linked XDA" folder. Hope your wiki takes off, it's really something we've needed.

All you have to do is look at the size of the rom, TW roms are usually bigger than 400 meg, while aosp roms are in the 100-200 meg range. If your zip is big then it is TW, if not then its AOSP

Hamspiced said:
I know its pretty difficult when the dev doesnt explicitly say whether its a tw or aosp build. i tried to compile a list of common roms and make a wiki out of them. the wiki is sortable so it should be able to help you out. from there you can flash individual roms and see the differences yourself
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2189817
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I also have Rom lists, broken down to tw and aosp in my FAQ, I keep it up to date always as I am always on xda, lol... along with that I also have kernels, broken down between tw and aosp, most common mods, and all the modems and prls in there also....
SPRINT GS3 FAQ

Stock functions after flashing roms

Quick question, since I can't exactly find this with search and haven't seen it in any forums, what happens with some of the stock functions after flashing a Rom?
Specifically, I'm wanting to flash Pac-Rom (all-in-one), but I'm not fond of sacrificing the stock smart screen functions, especially smart stay.
Does anyone know if these functions will still be available? And if not on this Rom, do you know of one that it still will be available on?
Thank you for your non-trollish answers in advance.
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re: features and funtions
DrowsyMalice said:
Quick question, since I can't exactly find this with search and haven't seen it in any forums, what happens with some of the stock functions after flashing a Rom?
Specifically, I'm wanting to flash Pac-Rom (all-in-one), but I'm not fond of sacrificing the stock smart screen functions, especially smart stay.
Does anyone know if these functions will still be available? And if not on this Rom, do you know of one that it still will be available on?
Thank you for your non-trollish answers in advance.
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None of those functions will be available if you flash any of the AOSP/AOKP/CM roms.
The only way to retain all those special features found on the S4 Tmobile phone is to only
flash those custom roms which are based on the S4 Touchwiz Jellybean 4.2.2 firmware.
You will not only loose those features and functions which you described, but you will
loose many others as well, including wifi calling.
Sometimes it's not easy to tell if a custom rom is AOSP/AOKP/CM because a lot of the
developers fail to make it clear that their roms are AOSP/AOKP/CM in their opening
post which describes the rom and it's features.
If any roms require GAPPS to be downloaded and flashed you can be sure that it's
an AOSP/AOKP/CM type rom.
Good luck!

Misterjunky said:
None of those functions will be available if you flash any of the AOSP/AOKP/CM roms.
The only way to retain all those special features found on the S4 Tmobile phone is to only
flash those custom roms which are based on the S4 Touchwiz Jellybean 4.2.2 firmware.
You will not only loose those features and functions which you described, but you will
loose many others as well, including wifi calling.
Sometimes it's not easy to tell if a custom rom is AOSP/AOKP/CM because a lot of the
developers fail to make it clear that their roms are AOSP/AOKP/CM in their opening
post which describes the rom and it's features.
If any roms require GAPPS to be downloaded and flashed you can be sure that it's
an AOSP/AOKP/CM type rom.
Good luck!
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****in A. I couldn't have asked for a more descriptive, helpful and polite answer.
Thank you sir, for your answer. You are a scholar and a saint. ;D
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Google Play Edition problem

I have installed Googl Play Edition 4.3 on my S4.
As a result, I have lost all of those cool Samsung features that rely on built in sensors
Is tgere any way to get those sensors working with Google play edition?
I mean things like turning pages by hand in the air above the phone, and scrolling ul and down by tilting the phone.
Thanks.
Is tbere a way to go back to Samsung stock rom? I did not back it up.

retfeg said:
I have installed Googl Play Edition 4.3 on my S4.
As a result, I have lost all of those cool Samsung features that rely on built in sensors
Is tgere any way to get those sensors working with Google play edition?
I mean things like turning pages by hand in the air above the phone, and scrolling ul and down by tilting the phone.
Thanks.
Is tbere a way to go back to Samsung stock rom? I did not back it up.
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No TW features on 4.3. I think there was a minimal amount things on 4.2.2, but nothing really like the actual TW experience. If you want to go back stock, you have two choices: either Odin back to 100% stock and re-root... which is the boring way. OR you can d/l a modified/stock ROM and flash that with whatever custom recovery you have. Check the development sections; there are quite a few stock choices, and which one to pick just depends on whether you want it themed, bone stock looking, etc.

Thanks so much.
Do you have any recomedarions on modified stock Rom?
I am mostly concerned about a good battery life and speed of the device and getting back TW features.
By tbe way, do all midified stock Roms have TW features in them?
What are yiur recomedarions based on what I am looking for?
Thanks a lot

retfeg said:
Thanks so much.
Do you have any recomedarions on modified stock Rom?
I am mostly concerned about a good battery life and speed of the device and getting back TW features.
By tbe way, do all midified stock Roms have TW features in them?
What are yiur recomedarions based on what I am looking for?
Thanks a lot
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All modified stock ROMs have the TW features.
I've personally been using BobcatROM from the i9505 development section, but from what I could tell, the only differences between the modified stock are themes and small differences here and there. Just check a few out, if some of the tweaks or changes interest you, try it out.

lordcheeto03 said:
All modified stock ROMs have the TW features.
I've personally been using BobcatROM from the i9505 development section, but from what I could tell, the only differences between the modified stock are themes and small differences here and there. Just check a few out, if some of the tweaks or changes interest you, try it out.
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Could you please point me to the right section to get modified original roms?
Is it in T-Mobile S4 Android Development section or t the T-Mobile S4 Android Original Android Development section?
I am not sure whether the original implies modified original rom section?
Would you also please include a link to where I can find your bobcat rom?
Thank you so much!

retfeg said:
Could you please point me to the right section to get modified original roms?
Is it in T-Mobile S4 Android Development section or t the T-Mobile S4 Android Original Android Development section?
I am not sure whether the original implies modified original rom section?
Would you also please include a link to where I can find your bobcat rom?
Thank you so much!
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I gotta let you do SOME of the legwork But seriously, the mod/stock ROMs will be in Android Development and you can find kernels in the Original Development section. Considering you flash a T-Mobile kernel directly after flashing a ROM, you can use ROMs from any S4 development section including the "original development" section; be it AT&T, Sprint, etc. The only restriction is make sure not to flash a ROM from the i9500 section. The 9500 (Exynos octa-core) and 9505 (Snapdragon like the m919 and others) is the "international version" and share a forum; just different subsections dedicated to each one individually. The i9505 section is safe, which is where Bobcat is located. It's pounded into the ground, but it's worth mentioning again; if you rely on WiFi calling, you will want a T-Mobile TouchWiz ROM. If you're like me though and care nothing about WiFi calling then there's no reason to stick with only the T-Mobile ROMs unless you just prefer them.

lordcheeto03 said:
I gotta let you do SOME of the legwork But seriously, the mod/stock ROMs will be in Android Development and you can find kernels in the Original Development section. Considering you flash a T-Mobile kernel directly after flashing a ROM, you can use ROMs from any S4 development section including the "original development" section; be it AT&T, Sprint, etc. The only restriction is make sure not to flash a ROM from the i9500 section. The 9500 (Exynos octa-core) and 9505 (Snapdragon like the m919 and others) is the "international version" and share a forum; just different subsections dedicated to each one individually. The i9505 section is safe, which is where Bobcat is located. It's pounded into the ground, but it's worth mentioning again; if you rely on WiFi calling, you will want a T-Mobile TouchWiz ROM. If you're like me though and care nothing about WiFi calling then there's no reason to stick with only the T-Mobile ROMs unless you just prefer them.
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II am a little confused.
Don't roms come with Kernels?
Do I need to download a separate rom and kernel
I just want to get an aokp rom tgat will give me the original tw features. Where do I go for that?

retfeg said:
II am a little confused.
Don't roms come with Kernels?
Do I need to download a separate rom and kernel
I just want to get an aokp rom tgat will give me the original tw features. Where do I go for that?
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ROMs do come with kernels, and that's why if you flash an S4 ROM from outside the T-Mobile section you need to flash a T-Mobile kernel. The T-Mobile ROMs obviously already have T-Mobile kernels. If you flash a ROM from the AT&T section, your device will be using an AT&T kernel and will not boot. But if you flash the AT&T ROM and flash a T-Mobile kernel directly afterwards, your device will then have the T-Mobile kernel and will run that AT&T ROM just like it was built for your device. The only way to retain your TouchWiz features is to use any ROM based on stock. If you want AOKP, CM, AOSP, etc you will lose all of the TW features. I think WatchON works on some (most?) non-TW ROMs now; but as far as things like Air Move, Smart Pause/Stay, the TouchWiz camera, and the other gimmicky features... they don't work outside of TouchWiz. Read up. Go to the dev sections and read, at the very least, the first post for the ROMs. That first post will almost always give you an idea of what features the ROM includes, screenshots of what it looks like, what's not working that is supposed to, and if it's TouchWiz based or CM/AOSP based.

And throw lordcheeto a thanks or two lets him know you appreciate his leg work and explanation.

Thanks so much for all this info!
Really appreciate it.