Just wondering if I unlock this device from tmobile , will it work on AT&T hspa network as well? I have an AT&T work account and I'd like the phone I buy to work on both networks, the specs seem compatible but I've seen different specs on a few sites.
I'm actually curious about the opposite (if a AT&T GS3 will work on TMo). I would love to have a red GS3.
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I'm actually curious about the opposite (if a AT&T GS3 will work on TMo). I would love to have a red GS3.
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Just thinking the same after seeing a few on craigslist
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I'm actually curious about the opposite (if a AT&T GS3 will work on TMo). I would love to have a red GS3.
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that won't work unless you live in an area that is using the refarmed 850/1900 spectrum , AT&T phones don't support 1700 MHz which most of tmobile 4g runs on. Tmobile however has been releasing phones that support both the refarmed frequencies 850/1900 as well as traditional aws 1700/2100 so in theory the tmobile version should work on AT&T hspa if unlocked here is the FCC filing
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/05/t-mobiles-galaxy-s-iii-sgh-t999-hits-the-fcc-aws-bands-and-all/
In Canada, I am unable to get my Rogers LG-E971 to connect to Bell's LTE network. Talked with Bell technical support and they said that the phone is not reporting LTE capability. I even messed around in the service menu (use 971 instead of 973 or 970 in the code) and enabled the bands that bell uses, still no go. I can't even return the phone now, because I had to unlock it to try it on Bell.
Bell sells the LG-E973. I bought the Rogers because Bell will not sell new phones without selling/renewing a plan along with the phone.
So, to sum up, don't go buying a Rogers Optimus G hoping to get LTE to work on Bell (or Telus, I assume) after unlocking. You'll be out your $700 because shops won't accept the return if the phone has been unlocked.
Edit: Forgot to say, I get 4G HSPA speeds (pulling 15Mbps down on speedtest compared to 30Mbps down on a friend's iPhone 5 LTE connection) on Bell.
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i got the g for rogers aswell.. are you saying that rogers doesnt provided lte?
my signal says 4g... thought that meant LTE??
and your right.. i get 14mb down.. is supposed to be 30???
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i got the g for rogers aswell.. are you saying that rogers doesnt provided lte?
my signal says 4g... thought that meant LTE??
and your right.. i get 14mb down.. is supposed to be 30???
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from speedtest videos, it's supposed to have an lte icon when it's on lte. you can check which network it's on by checking settings->about phone->status (or something along those lines, i don't have the phone in front of me at the moment).
You should be able to get LTE on rogers, if you're not you need to check your coverage at http://www.rogers.com/web/content/w...nsumer_Wireless_Eng-_-Network_0909-_-coverage
My personal issue is just that it's not compatible with Bell LTE (as far as I can tell).
4G is HSPA+ not LTE. If you're on Rogers and not getting LTE with the Rogers phone make sure you live in an area with LTE coverage and that you have not accidentally disabled it in the mobile network settings.
As for the Rogers version not working with Bell LTE, maybe once the bootloader is unlocked it will be possible to flash the Bell radio and have it work?
I think this is because the rogers optimus g's LTE runs on the 2600mhz band only, as far as i know, so far, it is the ONLY phone in the country that runs on the 2600 band currently. The upside is that you practically get your own private "highway" and you should see significant speed advantages as long as you are connected to roger's network. The downside is that it not very compatible with other networks.
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I think this is because the rogers optimus g's LTE runs on the 2600mhz band only, as far as i know, so far, it is the ONLY phone in the country that runs on the 2600 band currently. The upside is that you practically get your own private "highway" and you should see significant speed advantages as long as you are connected to roger's network. The downside is that it not very compatible with other networks.
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I read this, but most of the articles I'd read said that the 2600MHz band was supposed to be a joint rollout between Rogers and Bell. Sigh.
The possibility of flashing the radio is still pretty far off unfortunately. This phone's going on craigslist; I'll just have to wait till people actually have the Bell one in stock to get my new Optimus.
just called rogers
i had the sim from my iphone4 installed.. thats why it was saying 4g
went to put the lte one in that they sent me and its too big!! they sent me the full size one ...grrrrr!!
In korean version of the G, HSPA+ shows as 3G and LTE as 4G.
I believe ive never seen the LTE icon on the G.
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In korean version of the G, HSPA+ shows as 3G and LTE as 4G.
I believe ive never seen the LTE icon on the G.
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i have a rogers 971 OG in winipeg aka no lte, shows as 4g therefore probably hspa+ im guessing lte might have a lte icon???
cant really test from where im at
BloodBaron said:
i have a rogers 971 OG in winipeg aka no lte, shows as 4g therefore probably hspa+ im guessing lte might have a lte icon???
cant really test from where im at
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I'm in toronto and mine has an LTE icon.
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Here the korean screen.
But it obviously depends on the provider/phone version.
The LTE icon probably shown only for providers which dont support the full version of LTE, just the internet/data.
Btw HSPA+ arent related to the 4G, so basically its a cheating and should be sued
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I read this, but most of the articles I'd read said that the 2600MHz band was supposed to be a joint rollout between Rogers and Bell. Sigh.
The possibility of flashing the radio is still pretty far off unfortunately. This phone's going on craigslist; I'll just have to wait till people actually have the Bell one in stock to get my new Optimus.
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I dont think the possibility of flashing a different radio is as far off as you think
Hi all-
I have my E970 working on Rogers, and yes - that's one of the reason I've stuck to the AT&T phone. I suspected Rogers would f*** the consumer somehow as usual. Then again, I still have no Wifi hotspot capability until a ROM update removes AT&T's block.. :silly:
How exactly does one access the service menu to enable or disable various frequencies? I had asked about changing the baseband radio support because the AT&T 700mhz support is useless here in Canada, as the spectrum auction hasn't even run yet. It'll be 18 months or more before a provider has any support for it. But I could use 2600mhz support, or 1800 or 2100mhz support for roaming on vacations.
The band all GSM North American Optimus G models should have in common is the AWS band - 1700up/2100down. The E970 also has 700mhz, the Rogers E971 2600mhz and Telus/Bell E973s ??? (most websites claim 1800mhz, but this seems odd since neither actually use this frequency for LTE).
On the E970, HSPA+ service shows a 4G icon.
On LTE service it shows 4G LTE, even though the speeds are nothing alike. HSPA+ Here in Alberta is typically 1-4Mbit, the LTE speeds so far are nothing to write home about either, averaging about half the claims I see from Rogers users in Ontario or BC - typically 15-30Mbit downstream and 8-12Mbit upstream in various parts of the city.
Here's my Speedtest.net samples from Rogers LTE over the weekend, check the attached screenshot. The speeds seem all over the map, but are all in the same areas of the city, downtown and northside.
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Hi all-
I have my E970 working on Rogers, and yes - that's one of the reason I've stuck to the AT&T phone. I suspected Rogers would f*** the consumer somehow as usual. Then again, I still have no Wifi hotspot capability until a ROM update removes AT&T's block.. :silly:
How exactly does one access the service menu to enable or disable various frequencies? I had asked about changing the baseband radio support because the AT&T 700mhz support is useless here in Canada, as the spectrum auction hasn't even run yet. It'll be 18 months or more before a provider has any support for it. But I could use 2600mhz support, or 1800 or 2100mhz support for roaming on vacations.
The band all GSM North American Optimus G models should have in common is the AWS band - 1700up/2100down. The E970 also has 700mhz, the Rogers E971 2600mhz and Telus/Bell E973s ??? (most websites claim 1800mhz, but this seems odd since neither actually use this frequency for LTE).
On the E970, HSPA+ service shows a 4G icon.
On LTE service it shows 4G LTE, even though the speeds are nothing alike. HSPA+ Here in Alberta is typically 1-4Mbit, the LTE speeds so far are nothing to write home about either, averaging about half the claims I see from Rogers users in Ontario or BC - typically 15-30Mbit downstream and 8-12Mbit upstream in various parts of the city.
Here's my Speedtest.net samples from Rogers LTE over the weekend, check the attached screenshot. The speeds seem all over the map, but are all in the same areas of the city, downtown and northside.
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Service menu can be accessed by typing 3845#*970# into the dialer, where you replace 970 with the model number of the phone (Bell is 973, Rogers is 971). From there, ->LTE-Only->Modem Settings->LTE Band Selection. Checking the items seems to apply the settings immediately.
If you're getting 30Mbps then that's pretty good, here in Vancouver Rogers seems to top out around 50Mbps with good weather and everything. If you ever get more than half the claimed speeds you're probably standing in a testing lab.
Haze08, I've seen that the American models are unlocked now, but they still have to do the work on the Canadian ones, then someone would still have to have the inclination to figure out the differences between Bell and Rogers models, then figure out a safe way to flash the baseband, then test if it's safe to modify the baseband of one model to make LTE work on a different network. That assumes that it's possible; it could be a hardware issue that can't be fixed by flashing the radio. I'm not even convinced there'd be a demand for figuring out how to make the Rogers model work on Bell, seeing as how the Bell model is starting to trickle in stock. All these factors add up to me not holding my breath that someday the Rogers model will be able to connect to Bell's LTE network.
I'm just hoping to get the bootloader unlock and stock 4.2 with AWS 2600 LTE support for the Rogers E971. I like this phone and really don't want the hassle of changing it for an N4. This phone phone is simply better in every other way.
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joncwchao said:
In Canada, I am unable to get my Rogers LG-E971 to connect to Bell's LTE network. Talked with Bell technical support and they said that the phone is not reporting LTE capability. I even messed around in the service menu (use 971 instead of 973 or 970 in the code) and enabled the bands that bell uses, still no go. I can't even return the phone now, because I had to unlock it to try it on Bell.
Bell sells the LG-E973. I bought the Rogers because Bell will not sell new phones without selling/renewing a plan along with the phone.
So, to sum up, don't go buying a Rogers Optimus G hoping to get LTE to work on Bell (or Telus, I assume) after unlocking. You'll be out your $700 because shops won't accept the return if the phone has been unlocked.
Edit: Forgot to say, I get 4G HSPA speeds (pulling 15Mbps down on speedtest compared to 30Mbps down on a friend's iPhone 5 LTE connection) on Bell.
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How old is your Bell SIM? When I upgraded to an LTE device on Telus I needed the new SIM card. Without it, your device likely will not report LTE capabilities to Bell. If you look at the Galaxy S3, the SGH-i747 is identical for Bell, Telus and Rogers, and all support LTE and there are no issues bringing unlocked phones between the 3 carriers, so it doesn't make sense that the Optimus G itself would behave like this.
The sim card I have is a Bell LTE microsim, and it's getting LTE on my new LG-E973.
To clarify:
Rogers LTE microsim + LG-E971 unlocked = Rogers LTE connection
Bell LTE microsim + LG-E971 unlocked = NO Bell LTE connection
Bell LTE microsim + LG-E973 bought from Bell = Bell LTE connection
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joncwchao said:
The sim card I have is a Bell LTE microsim, and it's getting LTE on my new LG-E973.
To clarify:
Rogers LTE microsim + LG-E971 unlocked = Rogers LTE connection
Bell LTE microsim + LG-E971 unlocked = NO Bell LTE connection
Bell LTE microsim + LG-E973 bought from Bell = Bell LTE connection
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hey
do you know if the E973 (bell) would work on rogers LTE?
Unfortunately I would have to pay to get the E973 unlocked and buy another rogers sim (I sold mine already), so I don't have an answer for you. Sorry.
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hey
do you know if the E973 (bell) would work on rogers LTE?
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joncwchao said:
Unfortunately I would have to pay to get the E973 unlocked and buy another rogers sim (I sold mine already), so I don't have an answer for you. Sorry.
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no worries, thanks for posting your other results!
I have done an extensive search both on Google and XDA Developers, and could not find an answer to my question.
I know that Samsung has released an LTE compatible version of the S3, the I9305 (LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600). So my question is, when the LTE network becomes available and more prevalent for T-mobile, will I be able to get LTE speeds with an unlocked I9305 S3? Thanks.
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I have done an extensive search both on Google and XDA Developers, and could not find an answer to my question.
I know that Samsung has released an LTE compatible version of the S3, the I9305 (LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600). So my question is, when the LTE network becomes available and more prevalent for T-mobile, will I be able to get LTE speeds with an unlocked I9305 S3? Thanks.
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As I recall, T-Mobile doesn't offer LTE. Or maybe they have started recently and I just haven't realized it. But nonetheless, you can use the i9305, on T-Mobile seeing as it is an unlocked gsm phone. So it'll go as fast as T-Mobile will let it.
EDIT: Just kidding, T-Mobile DOES have 4G LTE, supposedly the fastest out there too.
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Yeah tmobile 4g lte beat att's and verizon in a test from cnet! But you have to make sure that your phone supports tmobiles lte bands. I dont know yet what bands tmobile use for their lte
gypsy214 said:
Yeah tmobile 4g lte beat att's and verizon in a test from cnet! But you have to make sure that your phone supports tmobiles lte bands. I dont know yet what bands tmobile use for their lte
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Lol you do know that T-Mobile just released lte and have far less data traffic on their lte network than at&t and Verizon which right?
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KingKostas said:
Lol you do know that T-Mobile just released lte and have far less data traffic on their lte network than at&t and Verizon which right?
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That's not all there is to it... They launched LTE-Advanced right off the bat. It is highly optimized over LTE revision 0.
OP, you would not even get HSPA+ on that phone if there isn't support for the 1700 band but you definitely will not get LTE based on the bands you posted.
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That's not all there is to it... They launched LTE-Advanced right off the bat. It is highly optimized over LTE revision 0.
OP, you would not even get HSPA+ on that phone if there isn't support for the 1700 band but you definitely will not get LTE based on the bands you posted.
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Thanks for all the responses, this is good to know. I was always leery about unlocked phones claiming to be LTE compatible... this is why I would prefer buying a t-mobile specific LTE phone so I am 100% certain I will get LTE speeds.
remiks3 said:
Thanks for all the responses, this is good to know. I was always leery about unlocked phones claiming to be LTE compatible... this is why I would prefer buying a t-mobile specific LTE phone so I am 100% certain I will get LTE speeds.
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T-Mobile is unique because they use the AWS 1700 band for LTE and 3G/HSPA. Verizon and at&t use 700MHz for their LTE which is the problem. We should start seeing a bunch of phones launch with AWS LTE this year. I would just wait and see what comes down the pipeline.
I'm not sure where I would post this exactly anyhow =p but I don't know much about antennas and such and what the US primarily uses for phone towers and 4g and all that. How well would the European version of the s5 work in the US? More specifically the G900K which is for Europe usage.
Some specifics for the euro s5:
Network:
LTE 800/850/900/1800/1900/2100/2600); UMTS (850/900/1900/2100MHz) ; GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz)
HSPA (Download/ Upload) LTE Cat4 (150Mbps/50Mbps) / HSDPA+ 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps / 3G / EDGE / GPRS
ReapersDeath said:
I'm not sure where I would post this exactly anyhow =p but I don't know much about antennas and such and what the US primarily uses for phone towers and 4g and all that. How well would the European version of the s5 work in the US? More specifically the G900K which is for Europe usage.
Some specifics for the euro s5:
Network:
LTE 800/850/900/1800/1900/2100/2600); UMTS (850/900/1900/2100MHz) ; GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz)
HSPA (Download/ Upload) LTE Cat4 (150Mbps/50Mbps) / HSDPA+ 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps / 3G / EDGE / GPRS
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1st, this should have been posted in the Samsung Galaxy S5 q&a forum. It looks as if the radios are similar, but you cannot flash roms or any other software that are NOT designed for your phone. That's how bricks happen
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Well duh.. Wasn't planning on rooting. I'm just curious as to how compatible.. Don't want to get a phone with no 4g in the us
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Well duh.. Wasn't planning on rooting. I'm just curious as to how compatible.. Don't want to get a phone with no 4g in the us
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You will have to unlock the phone to use in the U.S. Also sometimes stock software is not always compatible in the U.S. You will likely have issues with text and mms messages because of incorrect apns, as well as 4g issues.
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You will have to unlock the phone to use in the U.S. Also sometimes stock software is not always compatible in the U.S. You will likely have issues with text and mms messages because of incorrect apns, as well as 4g issues.
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I know a company out of China where they unlock it and do all that stuff. Just need to figure out how well it works lol
Here may be another stupid question, But Not even Samsung them selfs on the USA Department couldnt answer this, So let me explain a few things before I ask, so that you may understand what I may be talking about..
I have 2 Samsung galaxy S Tab's 10.5
One is 32gb Wifi Bought from Best Buy (T800)
The other is 16gb Wifi LTE International (T805) Unlocked.
From what I understand the International version will not support 4G on T-Mobile or most any carrier in USA do to the supported Signal.
What I want to know is, Whats the diffrents between the International and the Local USA version when it comes to the LTE. I cant find anything that tells me what I want to know.
From what I can see, is the signals ranges are the same as the USA version. but maybe I am reading it wrong,
When I check out the hardware with diffrent apps that support that. it pretty much shows the two being the same except for a few things that dont seem to matter.
So to make a long story short,, I just want to know what the diffrents is between the LTE Local USA and the LTE International version.
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Here may be another stupid question, But Not even Samsung them selfs on the USA Department couldnt answer this, So let me explain a few things before I ask, so that you may understand what I may be talking about..
I have 2 Samsung galaxy S Tab's 10.5
One is 32gb Wifi Bought from Best Buy (T800)
The other is 16gb Wifi LTE International (T805) Unlocked.
From what I understand the International version will not support 4G on T-Mobile or most any carrier in USA do to the supported Signal.
What I want to know is, Whats the diffrents between the International and the Local USA version when it comes to the LTE. I cant find anything that tells me what I want to know.
From what I can see, is the signals ranges are the same as the USA version. but maybe I am reading it wrong,
When I check out the hardware with diffrent apps that support that. it pretty much shows the two being the same except for a few things that dont seem to matter.
So to make a long story short,, I just want to know what the diffrents is between the LTE Local USA and the LTE International version.
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1. I believe the USA specific versions are voice crippled so you cannot make voice calls.
2. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart
The frequencies supported by T-Mob USA for LTE are....
1700/2100 MHz LTE 4G In Service/Building out Covers 250 million POPs as of October, 2014
700 MHz Block A LTE 4G A-block rollout has begun, and several devices already support this frequency.
1900 MHz PCS LTE 4G In Service/Building out Primarily used for a quick rollout of rural LTE as sites contain a pre-existing GSM antenna
3. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_S_10.5
The frequencies supported by the International 10.5 Tab S are
800/850/900/1800/2100/2600
As you can see the only 'common' frequency is the 2100 Mhz set which 'should' cover the bulk of Urban USA however there may be specific signalling that T-Mob require to allow devices to access that frequency.
Hope this helps
If you have LTE version you be able to call through google hangouts dialer. I do it on n7 LTE. And the app.
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pinsb said:
1. I believe the USA specific versions are voice crippled so you cannot make voice calls.
2. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart
The frequencies supported by T-Mob USA for LTE are....
1700/2100 MHz LTE 4G In Service/Building out Covers 250 million POPs as of October, 2014
700 MHz Block A LTE 4G A-block rollout has begun, and several devices already support this frequency.
1900 MHz PCS LTE 4G In Service/Building out Primarily used for a quick rollout of rural LTE as sites contain a pre-existing GSM antenna
3. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_S_10.5
The frequencies supported by the International 10.5 Tab S are
800/850/900/1800/2100/2600
As you can see the only 'common' frequency is the 2100 Mhz set which 'should' cover the bulk of Urban USA however there may be specific signalling that T-Mob require to allow devices to access that frequency.
Hope this helps
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I want to thank you very much. I really did search around to try and understand. but when it comes to the carrier LTE stuff, I no nothing about it.
Yea T-Mobile told me the only plan they have for tablets are Data and no voice. that really sucks. I dont understand that one. I have an
LG G3 that has T-Mobile. I can use the hotspot on that if needed.. the chances that im going to leave my house with this Tablet are very slim. so I can just stay with the wifi.
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If you have LTE version you be able to call through google hangouts dialer. I do it on n7 LTE. And the app.
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Yea I just tried that.. It worked.. prob cheaper then T-Mobles plans