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ATT Version VS international.

I bought my first american phone (att Galaxy S3) and was kind of disappointed by the development compared to the international version.
This phone is a beast! Thinking about upgrading and since the HW is all the same except for the radio there should be simple compatibility between ROMs except for the radio off course? Any dev that cares to confirm and comment?
Thanks.

I preface this by stating that I'm no dev. That said, it seems to me that devs should be able to separate the ROM from the radio, and convert International ROM's to work with the AT&T version.

gtalum said:
I preface this by stating that I'm no dev. That said, it seems to me that devs should be able to separate the ROM from the radio, and convert International ROM's to work with the AT&T version.
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Absolutely. There where a lot of droid roms with no radio in the past so that should be no issue now. However there might be something we are missing as I am no dev either. I guess we just have to wait and see after it is released. Sometimes they change small things like audio chip and stuff like that.
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While it might seem simple to seperate the RIL and the rest of the firmware, you should take a look in the international Note2 forums and notice the lack of N7105 development. (The 7105 is the international "LTE" version and would actually be more similar to what AT&T is releasing.)
Take care
Gary

garyd9 said:
While it might seem simple to seperate the RIL and the rest of the firmware, you should take a look in the international Note2 forums and notice the lack of N7105 development. (The 7105 is the international "LTE" version and would actually be more similar to what AT&T is releasing.)
Take care
Gary
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I did notice that but at the same time it was a lot of nice modders showing there faces.I believe it was a month ago it was released. I think we are going to see more activity soon (hope). However. The international sgs 3 is more similar (CPU) to the note so maybe fewer upgraders from that one to the note. For instance there is no CM yet.
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I was also looking to moving back to android from iPhone...once again this phone has definitely caught my attention and comparing the international vs ATT think it might be a bit cheaper for me to get international (still under contract) but will I be loosing anything with the international Vs the ATT model? thanks:good:

El_Six said:
... but will I be loosing anything with the international Vs the ATT model?
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What you'll lose with the international variant (when compared to the AT&T variant):
LTE
"local" warranty service at an at&t store. (Without buying extra warranty packages such as squaretrade, the international version either won't have any warranty at all, or will require shipping the phone to the place of purchase who will then ship it overseas for actual warranty service.)
Possibly some network/radio "tweaks" to supposedly work better with AT&T towers. (AT&T will tell you this matters, but my own experience has been that AT&T locked devices seem to work WORSE on AT&T towers when compared to generic international radio settings.)
Certain extra bloatware that AT&T preloads on the phone that might not be available or functional on non-AT&T devices. Examples of things that some might consider useful: visual voicemail (supposedly not available on non-LTE devices - I use google voice instead); whatever AT&T does to allow their phones to connect to AT&T wifi hotspots without the need to pre-authenticate or accept extra terms and conditions on each connect.
...In my own opinion, I think the LTE and warranty service items are the only significant things.
For many, LTE might not be that big of a deal. Perhaps there isn't any LTE service in their area or their usage patterns are such that the faster speeds aren't significant. Actually, depending on how you use the phone's data, LTE can actually be a bad thing. An example would be someone who mostly just uses their device for email. Fetching and sending email is usually done in the background, so the data speed doesn't matter - but that background data using LTE will suck down a battery much faster than the same background data using EDGE/UMTS/HSPA.
However, LTE can be great if you use a lot of data for web browsing, tethering, or things like pinterest that use a lot of data interactively (and you are in an area with LTE service)
The warranty issue is only a loss if you get a phone that requires service covered by the warranty. While this is rare, it's not unheard of.
Perhaps the screen goes nuts after you've had the phone for 2 months. If you bought the phone from AT&T, you can get a replacement in a day or two (at no cost to you.) If you bought an international version from (for example) expansys, you'd have to ship the phone to expansys-usa, they'd ship it to Expansys Europe, who would then ship it to Samsung for service. After a few days or weeks, samsung would send the supposedly fixed phone back to expansys europe who'd send it to expansys-usa who would send it to you.
Some US-based retailers of the international phone won't even provide that type of warranty service - in that case, you'd basically have NO warranty at all. (This is the case with many of the amazon-based places that sell the n7100.)
... on the other hand, there are many negatives to the AT&T device when compared to the international (and those have been discussed many times over, so I won't list them all here.)

N7105?
ANy chance someone could net out the differences between the soon to be release ATT / LTE version and the International N7105 (LTE & H) versions? Like, will the ATT version be able to connect to all:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600
like international N7105 version? Seems if it does not, and the N7105 works on ATT it would be best to avoid bloat and issue by obtaining the N7105.
garyd9 said:
What you'll lose with the international variant (when compared to the AT&T variant):
LTE
"local" warranty service at an at&t store. (Without buying extra warranty packages such as squaretrade, the international version either won't have any warranty at all, or will require shipping the phone to the place of purchase who will then ship it overseas for actual warranty service.)
Possibly some network/radio "tweaks" to supposedly work better with AT&T towers. (AT&T will tell you this matters, but my own experience has been that AT&T locked devices seem to work WORSE on AT&T towers when compared to generic international radio settings.)
Certain extra bloatware that AT&T preloads on the phone that might not be available or functional on non-AT&T devices. Examples of things that some might consider useful: visual voicemail (supposedly not available on non-LTE devices - I use google voice instead); whatever AT&T does to allow their phones to connect to AT&T wifi hotspots without the need to pre-authenticate or accept extra terms and conditions on each connect.
...In my own opinion, I think the LTE and warranty service items are the only significant things.
For many, LTE might not be that big of a deal. Perhaps there isn't any LTE service in their area or their usage patterns are such that the faster speeds aren't significant. Actually, depending on how you use the phone's data, LTE can actually be a bad thing. An example would be someone who mostly just uses their device for email. Fetching and sending email is usually done in the background, so the data speed doesn't matter - but that background data using LTE will suck down a battery much faster than the same background data using EDGE/UMTS/HSPA.
However, LTE can be great if you use a lot of data for web browsing, tethering, or things like pinterest that use a lot of data interactively (and you are in an area with LTE service)
The warranty issue is only a loss if you get a phone that requires service covered by the warranty. While this is rare, it's not unheard of.
Perhaps the screen goes nuts after you've had the phone for 2 months. If you bought the phone from AT&T, you can get a replacement in a day or two (at no cost to you.) If you bought an international version from (for example) expansys, you'd have to ship the phone to expansys-usa, they'd ship it to Expansys Europe, who would then ship it to Samsung for service. After a few days or weeks, samsung would send the supposedly fixed phone back to expansys europe who'd send it to expansys-usa who would send it to you.
Some US-based retailers of the international phone won't even provide that type of warranty service - in that case, you'd basically have NO warranty at all. (This is the case with many of the amazon-based places that sell the n7100.)
... on the other hand, there are many negatives to the AT&T device when compared to the international (and those have been discussed many times over, so I won't list them all here.)
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ccctexas said:
Seems if it does not, and the N7105 works on ATT it would be best to avoid bloat and issue by obtaining the N7105.
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Getting the 7105 for use on at&t would be a waste of money. The ONLY note2 that will work on at&t lte bands will be the 317. EU lte bands are different from US lte bands.
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ccctexas said:
ANy chance someone could net out the differences between the soon to be release ATT / LTE version and the International N7105 (LTE & H) versions? Like, will the ATT version be able to connect to all:
2G NetworkGSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G NetworkHSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G NetworkLTE 800 / 1800 / 2600
like international N7105 version? Seems if it does not, and the N7105 works on ATT it would be best to avoid bloat and issue by obtaining the N7105.
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Avoiding the bloat is easy enough to do yourself with a program like titanium. Or you just install a custom rom. HW and support/development are the main things. And in this case it seems to be advantage to att for once in the HW department (minus FM radio that I personally don't even care about) . But from my limited lack of US dev. The international support is far superior atleast in my galaxy S3 experience. Amazing if the development can run simultaneously on att and International. That is a win!
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At&t has a warranty. If anything happens to the n7100 your screwed.
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frewys said:
I bought my first american phone (att Galaxy S3) and was kind of disappointed by the development compared to the international version.
This phone is a beast! Thinking about upgrading and since the HW is all the same except for the radio there should be simple compatibility between ROMs except for the radio off course? Any dev that cares to confirm and comment?
Thanks.
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I have a thread on this EXACT topic in the international forum. I would suggest generating some buzz there; the international forum is more likely to be seem by devs and maybe gain support.
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ccctexas said:
ANy chance someone could net out the differences between the soon to be release ATT / LTE version and the International N7105 (LTE & H) versions? Like, will the ATT version be able to connect to all:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600
like international N7105 version? Seems if it does not, and the N7105 works on ATT it would be best to avoid bloat and issue by obtaining the N7105.
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AT&T's Note 2 connectivity is more like this AFAIK:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 / 1700

Jade Eyed Wolf said:
I have a thread on this EXACT topic in the international forum. I would suggest generating some buzz there; the international forum is more likely to be seem by devs and maybe gain support.
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AT&T's Note 2 connectivity is more like this AFAIK:
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE 700 / 1700
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It also has 2100 LTE support.

[Q] Will the I9305 work on Tmobile's LTE network?

I have done an extensive search both on Google and XDA Developers, and could not find an answer to my question.
I know that Samsung has released an LTE compatible version of the S3, the I9305 (LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600). So my question is, when the LTE network becomes available and more prevalent for T-mobile, will I be able to get LTE speeds with an unlocked I9305 S3? Thanks.

remiks3 said:
I have done an extensive search both on Google and XDA Developers, and could not find an answer to my question.
I know that Samsung has released an LTE compatible version of the S3, the I9305 (LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600). So my question is, when the LTE network becomes available and more prevalent for T-mobile, will I be able to get LTE speeds with an unlocked I9305 S3? Thanks.
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As I recall, T-Mobile doesn't offer LTE. Or maybe they have started recently and I just haven't realized it. But nonetheless, you can use the i9305, on T-Mobile seeing as it is an unlocked gsm phone. So it'll go as fast as T-Mobile will let it.
EDIT: Just kidding, T-Mobile DOES have 4G LTE, supposedly the fastest out there too.
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Yeah tmobile 4g lte beat att's and verizon in a test from cnet! But you have to make sure that your phone supports tmobiles lte bands. I dont know yet what bands tmobile use for their lte

gypsy214 said:
Yeah tmobile 4g lte beat att's and verizon in a test from cnet! But you have to make sure that your phone supports tmobiles lte bands. I dont know yet what bands tmobile use for their lte
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Lol you do know that T-Mobile just released lte and have far less data traffic on their lte network than at&t and Verizon which right?
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KingKostas said:
Lol you do know that T-Mobile just released lte and have far less data traffic on their lte network than at&t and Verizon which right?
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That's not all there is to it... They launched LTE-Advanced right off the bat. It is highly optimized over LTE revision 0.
OP, you would not even get HSPA+ on that phone if there isn't support for the 1700 band but you definitely will not get LTE based on the bands you posted.

EtherealRemnant said:
That's not all there is to it... They launched LTE-Advanced right off the bat. It is highly optimized over LTE revision 0.
OP, you would not even get HSPA+ on that phone if there isn't support for the 1700 band but you definitely will not get LTE based on the bands you posted.
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Thanks for all the responses, this is good to know. I was always leery about unlocked phones claiming to be LTE compatible... this is why I would prefer buying a t-mobile specific LTE phone so I am 100% certain I will get LTE speeds.

remiks3 said:
Thanks for all the responses, this is good to know. I was always leery about unlocked phones claiming to be LTE compatible... this is why I would prefer buying a t-mobile specific LTE phone so I am 100% certain I will get LTE speeds.
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T-Mobile is unique because they use the AWS 1700 band for LTE and 3G/HSPA. Verizon and at&t use 700MHz for their LTE which is the problem. We should start seeing a bunch of phones launch with AWS LTE this year. I would just wait and see what comes down the pipeline.

[Q] Is T-Mobile version equal to AT&T version?

I got a T-Mobile HTC One (M8) only to discover there's no coverage where I am. I already rooted, S-OFFed, TWRPed, and transferred all my files, history, texts, configured it, etc. so I really want to just keep the phone, pay it off, and switch to AT&T, but is there anything I'd lose out on? Are there any differences between the phones themselves (limiting radio differences, etc.) that I should know about? Will the phone perform equally on AT&T's network?
Thanks!

No differences as far as I know. Just that the carrier is different obviously.
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I'm pretty sure the AT&T version has more LTE bands? I could be totally wrong though...
From the GSMArena spec sheet
LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1800 / 1900 / 2100 / 2600 - AT&T
LTE 700 / 1700 / 2100 - T-Mobile
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Cuppeerr said:
I'm pretty sure the AT&T version has more LTE bands? I could be totally wrong though...
From the GSMArena spec sheet
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Do you know if that's the sort of thing that you can flash a radio update to fix? or is that a hardware issue (lacking hardware)?

quinxy said:
Do you know if that's the sort of thing that you can flash a radio update to fix? or is that a hardware issue (lacking hardware)?
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It's a hardware thing.

Just to follow up on my own post...
I did some research and the frequencies which are not in a T-Mobile HTC One (M8) when moved to AT&T appear to be used by non AT&T companies who are likely roaming partners of AT&T (e.g., Rogers in Canada, U.S. Cellular in the West (I think)). So, doesn't seem like a huge negative, unless roaming quite a bit and/or going to Canada.

[Q] Question: Galaxy S Tab 10.5 Wifi LTE USA/International

Here may be another stupid question, But Not even Samsung them selfs on the USA Department couldnt answer this, So let me explain a few things before I ask, so that you may understand what I may be talking about..
I have 2 Samsung galaxy S Tab's 10.5
One is 32gb Wifi Bought from Best Buy (T800)
The other is 16gb Wifi LTE International (T805) Unlocked.
From what I understand the International version will not support 4G on T-Mobile or most any carrier in USA do to the supported Signal.
What I want to know is, Whats the diffrents between the International and the Local USA version when it comes to the LTE. I cant find anything that tells me what I want to know.
From what I can see, is the signals ranges are the same as the USA version. but maybe I am reading it wrong,
When I check out the hardware with diffrent apps that support that. it pretty much shows the two being the same except for a few things that dont seem to matter.
So to make a long story short,, I just want to know what the diffrents is between the LTE Local USA and the LTE International version.

Eliminater74 said:
Here may be another stupid question, But Not even Samsung them selfs on the USA Department couldnt answer this, So let me explain a few things before I ask, so that you may understand what I may be talking about..
I have 2 Samsung galaxy S Tab's 10.5
One is 32gb Wifi Bought from Best Buy (T800)
The other is 16gb Wifi LTE International (T805) Unlocked.
From what I understand the International version will not support 4G on T-Mobile or most any carrier in USA do to the supported Signal.
What I want to know is, Whats the diffrents between the International and the Local USA version when it comes to the LTE. I cant find anything that tells me what I want to know.
From what I can see, is the signals ranges are the same as the USA version. but maybe I am reading it wrong,
When I check out the hardware with diffrent apps that support that. it pretty much shows the two being the same except for a few things that dont seem to matter.
So to make a long story short,, I just want to know what the diffrents is between the LTE Local USA and the LTE International version.
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1. I believe the USA specific versions are voice crippled so you cannot make voice calls.
2. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart
The frequencies supported by T-Mob USA for LTE are....
1700/2100 MHz LTE 4G In Service/Building out Covers 250 million POPs as of October, 2014
700 MHz Block A LTE 4G A-block rollout has begun, and several devices already support this frequency.
1900 MHz PCS LTE 4G In Service/Building out Primarily used for a quick rollout of rural LTE as sites contain a pre-existing GSM antenna
3. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_S_10.5
The frequencies supported by the International 10.5 Tab S are
800/850/900/1800/2100/2600
As you can see the only 'common' frequency is the 2100 Mhz set which 'should' cover the bulk of Urban USA however there may be specific signalling that T-Mob require to allow devices to access that frequency.
Hope this helps

If you have LTE version you be able to call through google hangouts dialer. I do it on n7 LTE. And the app.
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pinsb said:
1. I believe the USA specific versions are voice crippled so you cannot make voice calls.
2. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart
The frequencies supported by T-Mob USA for LTE are....
1700/2100 MHz LTE 4G In Service/Building out Covers 250 million POPs as of October, 2014
700 MHz Block A LTE 4G A-block rollout has begun, and several devices already support this frequency.
1900 MHz PCS LTE 4G In Service/Building out Primarily used for a quick rollout of rural LTE as sites contain a pre-existing GSM antenna
3. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_S_10.5
The frequencies supported by the International 10.5 Tab S are
800/850/900/1800/2100/2600
As you can see the only 'common' frequency is the 2100 Mhz set which 'should' cover the bulk of Urban USA however there may be specific signalling that T-Mob require to allow devices to access that frequency.
Hope this helps
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I want to thank you very much. I really did search around to try and understand. but when it comes to the carrier LTE stuff, I no nothing about it.
Yea T-Mobile told me the only plan they have for tablets are Data and no voice. that really sucks. I dont understand that one. I have an
LG G3 that has T-Mobile. I can use the hotspot on that if needed.. the chances that im going to leave my house with this Tablet are very slim. so I can just stay with the wifi.

Duffmantp said:
If you have LTE version you be able to call through google hangouts dialer. I do it on n7 LTE. And the app.
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Yea I just tried that.. It worked.. prob cheaper then T-Mobles plans

N930F/FD On Wind Mobile (4G??)

I have the N930W8 (the canadian note 7) and it shows 4G. Most of my other phones only showed 3G. I only pay $22 for 10GB of data so I dont want to leave them! I want root though and cant stand this sluggish battery draining snapdragon cpu..
Can someone please confirm for me whether 4G works on the N930F/FD models? From what I can see, the F/FD models support 3G only.
If you have someone with a Wind sim, please confirm whether 4G shows!

I'm on Koodo and using the N930FD and it is 4G enabled. I'll get a screen shot for you in a moment.
Edit:
Just searched up Wind Mobiles bands it uses 1700/2100 MHz the N930FD will work on Wind with 4G.

NIKKOTUASON said:
I'm on Koodo and using the N930FD and it is 4G enabled. I'll get a screen shot for you in a moment.
Edit:
Just searched up Wind Mobiles bands it uses 1700/2100 MHz the N930FD will work on Wind with 4G.
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Koodo is a lot more different from Wind though. According to the web guys, Wind 4G uses AWS B4 1700/2100, and though the F/FD models have HSDPA(3G) 1700/2100 and LTE CAT 9 1700/2100 but I dont see anything about AWS B4.
Of course the F/FD versions will work with all other major carriers, its just that Wind Mobile is a tad different.
The reason why I'm so confused is because I talked to a Wind rep and he said if it doesnt show AWS, then 4G wont work. Yet here I am with the W8 version with 4G.

Hmmm... I see your point. I understand how you feel I was in the same situation as you before getting the FD. I really want to find a person with Wind Mobile and a nano SIM just to see if 4g work lol.

NIKKOTUASON said:
Hmmm... I see your point. I understand how you feel I was in the same situation as you before getting the FD. I really want to find a person with Wind Mobile and a nano SIM just to see if 4g work lol.
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If you could that would be freakin amazing. You can probably go to the Wind store and have them pop in one of their sims ^.^

For sure I'm going to be around the GTA today looking for cases if I see a Wind Mobile I'll definitely ask if I can test a SIM.

Wind is not 4G (LTE) its HSPA (3/3.5G) only... I've heard they will be launching sometime soon though. The FD will probably NOT work on wind.

I'm on Wind and ordered a FD variant from Ebay. I'll let you know if when it arrives and anyone else doesn't tell you first.

@Class said:
Wind is not 4G (LTE) its HSPA (3/3.5G) only... I've heard they will be launching sometime soon though. The FD will probably NOT work on wind.
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Of course it will work with Wind. At least I know 3G will.

imatts said:
Of course it will work with Wind. At least I know 3G will.
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Huh my mistake then... But yeah there's no LTE on wind yet.

@Class said:
Huh my mistake then... But yeah there's no LTE on wind yet.
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Yea I know they dont have LTE, but like others have said, they do have 3.5 which they like to pretend is 4G (and it shows up as 4G on my phone at least). I just want to knoe whether the F/FD actually shows 4G.

imatts said:
Yea I know they dont have LTE, but like others have said, they do have 3.5 which they like to pretend is 4G (and it shows up as 4G on my phone at least). I just want to knoe whether the F/FD actually shows 4G.
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The FD and F support all Canadian bands just the same as the Canadian S7 does (they use the same chipset! although a slightly different revision)
It supports B4 AWS LTE and B4 AWS HSPA.
In Canada, our CSC is set up to show 4G for HSPA because Canadian carriers are liars and request it that way.
When you use an International phone, it will probably say HSPA or 3G because that's what it really is, it's only an icon difference!
The bands are supported, the speeds are supported, the difference is only visual and you can change the icon to say 4G if you absolutely desire it.

jcadduono said:
The FD and F support all Canadian bands just the same as the Canadian S7 does (they use the same chipset! although a slightly different revision)
It supports B4 AWS LTE and B4 AWS HSPA.
In Canada, our CSC is set up to show 4G for HSPA because Canadian carriers are liars and request it that way.
When you use an International phone, it will probably say HSPA or 3G because that's what it really is, it's only an icon difference!
The bands are supported, the speeds are supported, the difference is only visual and you can change the icon to say 4G if you absolutely desire it.
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I was curious about such a deceitful thing. Thanks for your input jc!
NOW i'm super excited to order the F!!
Speaking of which, has yours arrived yet?