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AS the title states, is HTC slowly becoming a Samsung clone, as about software updates?
I even sent a message to them 5 days ago, asking about delivery of official 2.3 and no response yet. WTF?
I bought an HTC phone (actually 3 in a row, Magic-Desire-Desire HD) cause i thought that they were much better than Samsung in support. That is why all of us bought their flagship phone.
Maybe is time to go for Atrix or Optimus 2X when they appear.
The simple answer is no, they wont.
You'll get 2.3 on your DHD eventually, just be patient! Would you rather they rush it and it be full of bugs, or they take their time and it be have less bugs?
If you want fastest updates trade DHD for Nexus S
PS - You think Samsung are bad? LG are worse!
thanks. but if Ns was available in Greece i would. The that has made me mad is that the aren't even answering at all.
CitizenLee said:
The simple answer is no, they wont.
You'll get 2.3 on your DHD eventually, just be patient! Would you rather they rush it and it be full of bugs, or they take their time and it be have less bugs?
If you want fastest updates trade DHD for Nexus S
PS - You think Samsung are bad? LG are worse!
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Google only recently released the source code, do you expect htc to port sence over night?
I don't think they should port sense overnight... but...its like nearly 2months now. What annoys me with HTC is you buy their latest flagship device, only to find you get gazzumped a couple of months later by a different device with a newer software..and makes you think is there any point in buying latest HTC handsets when this happens...or maybe its Googles fault, if they communicated better instead of saying at the end of the summer 'Gingerbread is on its way', and actually said when its arriving and on what etc ppl could make better choices.
Added to this is that by the time they do release an update, the phones a year old, theres newer ones...you get one...then its groundhog day again. No doubt HTC have another DHD coming out soon with a front facing camera bla bla bla anyway, and also i think the reason they take so long is that its not a priority to them, their priority is investing their resources in pushing out yet newer handsets just to snare new victims..
btw for anyone, i asked HTC about an update about 2 weeks ago, they told me they wont be releasing one and to contact my network carrier...network carrier pointed me back to HTC.
anyway , rant over
chrisr27 said:
I don't think they should port sense overnight... but...its like nearly 2months now. What annoys me with HTC is you buy their latest flagship device, only to find you get gazzumped a couple of months later by a different device with a newer software..and makes you think is there any point in buying latest HTC handsets when this happens...or maybe its Googles fault, if they communicated better instead of saying at the end of the summer 'Gingerbread is on its way', and actually said when its arriving and on what etc ppl could make better choices.
Added to this is that by the time they do release an update, the phones a year old, theres newer ones...you get one...then its groundhog day again. No doubt HTC have another DHD coming out soon with a front facing camera bla bla bla anyway, and also i think the reason they take so long is that its not a priority to them, their priority is investing their resources in pushing out yet newer handsets just to snare new victims..
btw for anyone, i asked HTC about an update about 2 weeks ago, they told me they wont be releasing one and to contact my network carrier...network carrier pointed me back to HTC.
anyway , rant over
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That's just how it works though.
You buy something and a few months later it's out of date.
It's the way of the tech world and has been for years.
There's no malice or trickery involved, it's just business.
CitizenLee said:
That's just how it works though.
You buy something and a few months later it's out of date.
It's the way of the tech world and has been for years.
There's no malice or trickery involved, it's just business.
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Maybe my insinuation of malice and trickery is a little unfair..but having said that, I guarantee if Id contacted HTC before buying the DHD in October and asked wld it get Gingerbread update they would have said 'sure, course you will, everyone gets updates'..knowing full well it wld take months and months to get the updates.
And if I'd contacted Google and said I was thinking of buying an android handest when is latest software gona be incorporated, they would have said 'we arent sure' just so I would get the DHD another registered android device for them...even though they know full well the likely release, and handsets that will release with it way in advance...so in a sense it is trickery, but guess thats business for you...neither wants to jeopardise a potential sale for their stats
so the snare is recoiled ready for the next victim
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Google only recently released the source code, do you expect htc to port sence over night?
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I wonder how hard it can really be... they probably just dont have any friggen (unit/automation) tests. The API from 2.2 to 2.3 has barely changed. Imagine you had to wait for a new Ubuntu release just to get a kernel update...
Given they managed to screw up the 1.72 release and havent even uploaded the source code for that kernel, does not make me very enthusiastic about actually seeing 2.3 out anytime in the next 6-9 months.
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I wonder how hard it can really be... they probably just dont have any friggen (unit/automation) tests. The API from 2.2 to 2.3 has barely changed. Imagine you had to wait for a new Ubuntu release just to get a kernel update...
Given they managed to screw up the 1.72 release and havent even uploaded the source code for that kernel, does not make me very enthusiastic about actually seeing 2.3 out anytime in the next 6-9 months.
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I'm sure if enough people emailed htc and quoted the gpl, htc would have to release the source, after all it states the source should be made availible on request
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What annoys me with HTC is you buy their latest flagship device, only to find you get gazzumped a couple of months later by a different device with a newer software..and makes you think is there any point in buying latest HTC handsets when this happens...or maybe its Googles fault, if they communicated better instead of saying at the end of the summer 'Gingerbread is on its way', and actually said when its arriving and on what etc ppl could make better choices.
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The software updates all work on about a 6 month cycle (give or take). It's made very clear from the outset that new software is in the pipelines, they just don't set a concrete date, they just simply release it when it's ready.
The same can be ready for HTC. They're actually good with a lot of their updates in comparison to a lot of manufacturers. There are a few devices which never even got an update to 1.6.
HTC will release an update when it's ready.
If you don't want to wait, install a CyanogenMod ROM.
I think other manufacturers can only learn from HTC..
for example, OTA with Froyo came to Desire in August 2010, this is some 3 months after Google released it..
DHD is still HTC's flagship and I think we will get 2.3 in some 2-3 months
Bear in mind that apart from the Nexus S no one is running an official Gingerbread build yet, so it's not as if HTC are behind the curve here so please get some perspective
Guys, it has been mentioned already but I just want to add that I have also read a report saying that 2.3 will be available in 6 months aprox. after initial release. Best strategy IMO, don't bother checking or thinking about it as it won't help and it will become obsession.
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I'm sure if enough people emailed htc and quoted the gpl, htc would have to release the source, after all it states the source should be made availible on request
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To have to request the source, violates the GPL. The fact that it is not immediately available upon release also violates the GPL.
so HTC just answered to ma my email:
Thank you for contacting us
We re excited about our upcoming updates, as for the Android 2.3 update, certrainly some of our phones will be receiving this upgrade, however, for the time being, there’s no information regarding which phones will be receiving it nor the schedule of its release.
Please note that you can contact us via support line. For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number
Sincerely,
Amr
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Gingerbread only runs on Nexus S at the moment... You won't expect it to be here, one DHD that soon. At least wait for SGS to have it first.
Now that HTC have confirmed they are not providing any further OS updates for the One X and the One X+, I started a thread in the One X+ forum with a survey monkey link to give us all the chance to tell HTC what we think of their decision. Please take 5 minutes to complete the survey. The thread is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=49619827
Many users are frustrated that HTC don't listen to their customers so I compiled the survey to give us all the opportunity to express our collected opinion. Carpe diem!
Yeah, really bad move from HTC! :/
yeah, you pay good money for a device with good spec and you expect, because of the spec you would get more updates other than just JB, poor move HTC
It's not that I'm disappointed by the amount of updates, it's more that the updates HTC gave us constantly broke things. One of the first Updates added a new bootloader which broke the compactiblity of CM10, the update to 3.20.XXX.3 added a new touch driver which broke compactiblity to touch in recovery (at least if you still want to be able to use mass storage/adb) and the 4.2.2 update broke our wifi in october and htc still didn't bother to deliver a fix after almost half a year! I would have prefered when they had just made a single update from 4.0 to 4.2 and even keeped sense 4 as long as they had delived a fully working rom.
An other problem of htc are their kernel source releases: they always wait till the end of the 90-days-period after the rom-update before they release it, even though they definitly had it since the release of the rom update. Take an example at samsung: they haven't updated the note 3 to 4.4yet but the kernel source is already there!
I will never, ever again buy another HTC or Tegra phone.
Vote with your wallet, and don't buy HTC again. I certainly won't.
I think all phone manufacturers should keep phones updated for 2 years minimum as that is how long most phone contracts are for.
In the EU they are already covered by a 2 year warranty, i would expect the update issue to be forced in this region for the same reason.
Here is hoping any way
It is funny that for example LG will upgrade some low end devices to 4.4,a HTC wont upgrade One X and One X+ and they still have decent hardware and very nice display...shame on you HTC
I made my views pretty clear. HTC won't listen, if they do, it'll be a half ar**d support like the desire, desire HD...etc etc. Next time i'm just getting a google nexus phone outright and a 30 day rolling contract. Bye Bye HTC, hope you either learn or sink
The survey it doesn't mention the one x only the one x+, I am all for power to the consumer but HTC won't change their mind. I personally think if HTC had better update support then they would see a better market share. Look at the support Apple gave the iPhone 4/4s. I like HTC phones but I might look else where
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Rotten Ross said:
The survey it doesn't mention the one x only the one x+, I am all for power to the consumer but HTC won't change their mind. I personally think if HTC had better update support then they would see a better market share. Look at the support Apple gave the iPhone 4/4s. I like HTC phones but I might look else where
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What are the features on Kitkat that we don't have on 4.2.2 Sense 5 ?
I had the Frustration of updates when i was on desire z 2.2 and the upgrade to 2.3 (download manager and the toggle buttons) was extremely late in my country
but since hox started 4.1 i have not found Google adding any thing revolutionary that make a lot of difference to the device experience
I have been using HTC because of the build and the design of devices, only thing i hate about how htc handled hox is the brokern wifi on the current build, it has been disappointing
Not with HTC but I can share with you guyes
Do not give a damn whether my HOX gets more updates or not, what I care is the solid system, that's all.
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Not with HTC but I can share with you guyes
Do not give a damn whether my HOX gets more updates or not, what I care is the solid system, that's all.
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It's a point of principle that you sell something to people and two years later you say to them "hey you bought our stuff within the last two years, but we can't support it anymore". Yes it isn't the end of the world and the phone won't exactly stop working, but when it's capable of getting the update and giving us (the people who buy the thing) a better android experience, then why deny us that? Not all of us want to keep getting new phones all the time.
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It's a point of principle that you sell something to people and two years later you say to them "hey you bought our stuff within the last two years, but we can't support it anymore". Yes it isn't the end of the world and the phone won't exactly stop working, but when it's capable of getting the update and giving us (the people who buy the thing) a better android experience, then why deny us that? Not all of us want to keep getting new phones all the time.
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Well that's a matter of choice that how you define "support".
No offence, but I can clearly see now (after the whole jb update issue back then) people who are somehow involved in software development or maintanance do get a clearer view.
Do you expect your Windows XP laptop to have Windows 8 free(which is three major versions later)?
Do you even tried to guess not even calculate what are the costs to HTC to update this phone further?
It came with 4.0, got minor fix, major in terms of effect but minor in version
Got major with 4.1 and got two minors for it
Got major with 4.2 and got one minor for it
The phone is supported, it is evolving and this must have an end. After 4.4 Google might release sonething magnificent too, if HTC provides 4.4, won't you want 4.5 too? Where does it stop? What is the ethical point to stop? No where...
It is just an economical view and that's the only approach you can have.
And HTC is a small company and it has a detailed "overlay software" over Android bla bla bla known stuff.
HTC's policy is the same for years.. I want you guys to stop this for saving your own energy, not for saving HTC don't get me wrong. I don't care how HTC feels, I ***** to their face on elevate
But ppl always consume time and energy about this and I just wanted to point out that its useless, of course you can do whtver u want
Cheers
Yep waste of space thread, if you want kit kat flash one of the 2 variants posted in this section.
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thekillingroad said:
Well that's a matter of choice that how you define "support".
No offence, but I can clearly see now (after the whole jb update issue back then) people who are somehow involved in software development or maintanance do get a clearer view.
Do you expect your Windows XP laptop to have Windows 8 free(which is three major versions later)?
Do you even tried to guess not even calculate what are the costs to HTC to update this phone further?
It came with 4.0, got minor fix, major in terms of effect but minor in version
Got major with 4.1 and got two minors for it
Got major with 4.2 and got one minor for it
The phone is supported, it is evolving and this must have an end. After 4.4 Google might release sonething magnificent too, if HTC provides 4.4, won't you want 4.5 too? Where does it stop? What is the ethical point to stop? No where...
It is just an economical view and that's the only approach you can have.
And HTC is a small company and it has a detailed "overlay software" over Android bla bla bla known stuff.
HTC's policy is the same for years.. I want you guys to stop this for saving your own energy, not for saving HTC don't get me wrong. I don't care how HTC feels, I ***** to their face on elevate
But ppl always consume time and energy about this and I just wanted to point out that its useless, of course you can do whtver u want
Cheers
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well getting a phone on a 2 year contract suddenly becomes our fault if the company decides not to support it....ethical point to stop it would be when most people who've got the one x on a contract when it got released finish that contract. THAT in my mind would be ethical. But of course, there are other companies (crapsung) who updated their galaxy s2 all the way from gingerbread to 4.1.2 with touchwiz. Yes samsung is a bigger company but HTC are there to take the fight to them for market place...no? then i'm sorry....my prejudice still stands.
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well getting a phone on a 2 year contract suddenly becomes our fault if the company decides not to support it....ethical point to stop it would be when most people who've got the one x on a contract when it got released finish that contract. THAT in my mind would be ethical. But of course, there are other companies (crapsung) who updated their galaxy s2 all the way from gingerbread to 4.1.2 with touchwiz. Yes samsung is a bigger company but HTC are there to take the fight to them for market place...no? then i'm sorry....my prejudice still stands.
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Why do you look for a side to put a blame on? You're still using the word "support" for upgrading a sofware to an upper version, but let stay in terms, if we're looking for "ethical", this does NOT mean support. I can get many things as your opinion, but this is NOT. HTC does still support One X, it is not upgrading the software to another major version, that is it. Don't wanna look annoying but I am a software and management consultant and make lots of Support and Maintenance agreements, what you want is not support.
Well, you want an ethical solution.. In Turkey One X was still sold I think ended about 4-5 months ago, and with 3 year contracts. It is also sold for a long time, may be not in Western countries or in Oceania, but deciding just for those countries is not legal right? So, how long the upgrade process should last then? till 2016? 2017? This has no ethical solution. You used the key word, most. This is the best way to measure the economic point of view Would you like to make a market analysis to find out when the One X is sold most? Would you choose a specific month of a year? This is a dead-end bro, believe me.
Again, don't wanna look annoying, but then get a crapsung, you do know they do update their phones further, that is clear from Sensation/S2.
This is how HTC makes their market strategy and you might say that it is clear that ther strategy is not working, but most of experts beliece upgrades are not the main reason for this.
Anyways, I don't wanna "troll" in the topic where people write their opinions, just wanted to share mine.
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But it´s not about when the phone was released in YOUR Country but when it was released OFFICIALLY. And this was in April 2012 which means that HTC could release one last Update aka 4.4.
But as far as I know it´s not the fault of HTC but Nvidia for not supporting the Chipset in One X/X+ but only the one in the Nexus 7 2012 which means there are no new Kernels for 4.4
Beyazid said:
But it´s not about when the phone was released in YOUR Country but when it was released OFFICIALLY. And this was in April 2012 which means that HTC could release one last Update aka 4.4.
But as far as I know it´s not the fault of HTC but Nvidia for not supporting the Chipset in One X/X+ but only the one in the Nexus 7 2012 which means there are no new Kernels for 4.4
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But then are we looking for an ethical solution, if we choose the start point as global release? I may have bought my phone as soon as it is released in my country and it could have been December 2012, and I might have gotten it with a three year contract. Who has the blame for my situation then? And the two is years is something just we made up since "most" of the users get the phone in two-year contracts and the warranty is for two years.
One last update.. But we still haven't reached May 2014, and till then Google might release a 4.5? Wouldn't we want it then?
Cheers
The only way we can change things regarding updates is to try to evoke a law where the minimal update timeframe is set
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Well that´s another Problem with all the phone brands who build Android phones.
The updates take much too long to get released for the phones.
If I would follow your logic we still should get Android Kit Kat since it was released in November. A better example would be 4.3 which was released for Nexus phones 2 months before 4.2 was released for HOX(+).
It effectively means we got 2 big Android revisions (4.1 + 4.2) which means 1 year of support but it was only stretched from April 2012 (official release) to July/August 2013 (last update)
And just for your interest. It doesn´t matter how long the carrier contracts run or when it was released in YOUR country. It´s about unbranded devices which are officially released. Carrier branded phones shouldn´t be bought anymore and/or the consumer shouldn´t choose them anymore to make clear that the way carriers are working isn´t consumer friendly but that´s a whole different point
Are we likely to see an update to the OS on the One M9 to fix the KRACK vulnerability?
It'd be a shame for a perfectly good phone that is only three years old to become unusable because its Wifi is insecure.
Myopsida said:
Are we likely to see an update to the OS on the One M9 to fix the KRACK vulnerability?
It'd be a shame for a perfectly good phone that is only three years old to become unusable because its Wifi is insecure.
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Like all android flagships that are older than 2 years, the One M9 has reached its EoL (End of Life) in regard to support and/or updates from HTC. Unless you use custom roms that aren't based on the htc sense stock rom (e.g. LineageOS) you'll never get a patch for KRACK on this device.
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Like all android flagships that are older than 2 years, the One M9 has reached its EoL (End of Life) in regard to support and/or updates from HTC. Unless you use custom roms that aren't based on the htc sense stock rom (e.g. LineageOS) you'll never get a patch for KRACK on this device.
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Sorry, but I don´t share the same thinking.
This is not like the users asking for new functionalities or that the phone meets new standards, but a seriously flaw that put in risk private information of the users and that already exists when the phone was launched.
It´s like a car company discover a problem with a damper in a car launched some year ago and say: "Sorry, we discover a problem in the damper o the car, that can put your life in danger. Now you need to buy a new car."
Well, personal opinions don't matter in this context. OEMs don't support their flagships longer than 2 years and all other mid- or low-range models only for a much shorter time period. That's a fact. (Which I don't like, either, btw.) You'll need to accept that just like the owners of millions of other android devices that aren't supported by their OEMs, anymore.
There are only two options if you don't want to buy a new phone: fixing the security hole on your own by flashing a custom rom or living with it.
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I think the ViperOne and other Sense based custom roms already have KRACK patch, so if you want sense experience use them.
See explication below.
All roms that are based on the M9's stock rom (this includes ViperOne) are vulnerable since HTC hasn't released a patch for this phone due to the M9 having reached its EoL. These kind of custom roms need a base provided by HTC that contains the fix. In other words these roms won't get the fix unless HTC provides a new update for the M9 or the devs re-base their roms on a port of a different HTC device that already received a fix.
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All roms that are based on the M9's stock rom (this includes ViperOne) are vulnerable since HTC hasn't released a patch for this phone due to the M9 having reached its EoL. These kind of custom roms need a base provided by HTC that contains the fix. In other words these roms won't get the fix unless HTC provides a new update for the M9 or the devs re-base their roms on a port of a different HTC device that already received a fix.
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Oh, sorry I didn't know this.
France is getting a new update with May security patch and a higher changelist number (16124683)
Do you know what's new? Or is it just improvements and security update!
https://www.sammobile.com/samsung/galaxy-tab-s4/firmware/SM-T835/XEF/download/T835XXU3BSF4/276903/
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The latest update is T835UBS3BSG1 with July Security Patch Update
This is [email protected]
In Oz I have a generic Tab S4 and the last security update was December 2018... This is supposed to be updated by Samsung with NO carrier to delay the update...
Seriously, WTF!!! No Pie for me just an old Oreo...
I thought Treble was supposed to stop this stuff from happening...
Why not just flash a PIE Rom? I use all sorts of different Firmware versions to keep me updated xd
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This is [email protected]
In Oz I have a generic Tab S4 and the last security update was December 2018... This is supposed to be updated by Samsung with NO carrier to delay the update...
Seriously, WTF!!! No Pie for me just an old Oreo...
I thought Treble was supposed to stop this stuff from happening...
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Yeah, and yet the Telstra model was updated last month.
I contacted Samsung, same song and dance about "don't know when your device will be updated"...
I thought it was google policy that the current devices were to be updated with security updates ASAP. My security policy is dated December 2018.
Considering this device is out there as a business device this is a major lapse in security as the vulnerabilities haven't been patched on what could, essentially be, a business device. Even if it's not being used by a business, I tend to use this device as a laptop replacement... A lot of personal data can be stored on here and not as secure as my phone...
Considering Samsung is a major player in the smartphone industry, this lapse is unforgivable, my S8 has just been updated to June security update and I don't have half the sensitive stuff I store on my tablet...
Shame on Samsung....
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I contacted Samsung, same song and dance about "don't know when your device will be updated"...
I thought it was google policy that the current devices were to be updated with security updates ASAP. My security policy is dated December 2018.
Considering this device is out there as a business device this is a major lapse in security as the vulnerabilities haven't been patched on what could, essentially be, a business device. Even if it's not being used by a business, I tend to use this device as a laptop replacement... A lot of personal data can be stored on here and not as secure as my phone...
Considering Samsung is a major player in the smartphone industry, this lapse is unforgivable, my S8 has just been updated to June security update and I don't have half the sensitive stuff I store on my tablet...
Shame on Samsung....
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If you want to update your tablet, first of all backup all the data in your tablet and then follow this guide to update it with the most up-to-date firmware:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=79317687&postcount=3
Samsung pushed a new update to many countries (T835UBS3BSG1) with July Security Patch Update
I am going to download it soon to see if they fixed the UI glitches in the previous update pushed to France XEF
You can check Samsung's official firmware update list, but they don't provide any new information. As you can see, Samsung only provide two types of updates - security and patch fixes and major UI changes. http://doc.samsungmobile.com/SM-T835/XEF/doc.html
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You can check Samsung's official firmware update list, but they don't provide any new information. As you can see, Samsung only provide two types of updates - security and patch fixes and major UI changes. http://doc.samsungmobile.com/SM-T835/XEF/doc.html
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The SF4 update have many UI scaling issues, especially in the quick settings toggles (missing first row, missing auto brightness slider in landscape mode), I am flashing the new update (SG1) now via Odin and report back
For example
Dirty flashed the update (using Home CSC) without wiping anything
After reboot I got Samsung Experience Services force stop, updated it from Google Play Store and it is working fine now
Auto brightness slider is now showing properly in landscape, no missing toggles, July Security Patch Update
This is what I found now
They just pushed the Australian update about a week ago, it's now on the May security patch...
At least that's better than the 6 month old security patch they gave before but for a premium flagship this is still unacceptable...
People here know how to use ODIN and flash firmware but for the everyday consumer this is something over their heads...
I know that people will argue that this is an easy fix by coming here or doing a google search but seriously, think back to the 1st time you flashed your device. It as a scary thing knowing (or being blissfully unaware) that you could destroy your shiny new toy. Not to mention the amount of people who know how to use their phone but have NO idea how to do anything on the PC other than browse facebook and send emails...
When we buy our devices we buy the security that the OEM will push out updates to protect our lovely devices and when I pay out a small fortune I sorta expect that this will be the case. Especially when it is retailed as a business device.
Security is all...
You buy a cheap $100 tablet from some Chinese company no-one has never heard of you don't expect much more than the device starts up and works...
You buy from a well established company that has a HUGE presence in the market you are buying the security of having the best and latest.
For some markets this is not happening and that is disgraceful...
Rant over....
ultramag69 said:
They just pushed the Australian update about a week ago, it's now on the May security patch...
At least that's better than the 6 month old security patch they gave before but for a premium flagship this is still unacceptable...
People here know how to use ODIN and flash firmware but for the everyday consumer this is something over their heads...
I know that people will argue that this is an easy fix by coming here or doing a google search but seriously, think back to the 1st time you flashed your device. It as a scary thing knowing (or being blissfully unaware) that you could destroy your shiny new toy. Not to mention the amount of people who know how to use their phone but have NO idea how to do anything on the PC other than browse facebook and send emails...
When we buy our devices we buy the security that the OEM will push out updates to protect our lovely devices and when I pay out a small fortune I sorta expect that this will be the case. Especially when it is retailed as a business device.
Security is all...
You buy a cheap $100 tablet from some Chinese company no-one has never heard of you don't expect much more than the device starts up and works...
You buy from a well established company that has a HUGE presence in the market you are buying the security of having the best and latest.
For some markets this is not happening and that is disgraceful...
Rant over....
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Totally agree, it is silly that Samsung pushing only quarterly security patch updates for their tablets
I have a question about these updates.
My last tablet was the Note 12.2. At that time it was awful if the tablet updated, it broke root and you couldn't get it back. So I'm paranoid about letting anything update. However I let that one sit since 2015 because it crashed I didn't have backup and wanted to someday recover newborn baby hospital pics and first Christmas pics. I've been without a tablet since.
I Get here to research the S4, the last with headphone jack tablet and it seems like you have to update to root. Is this right? I also swear I read that pie breaks a couple of programs on the s4, but I can't find the thread now.
Can someone clue me in since I appear to have fallen off the SOTA curve. Thank you for your help.
Hi all, today I got latest update with November security update. A nice feature has been added: smart view now allows resizing to destination screen ratio.
Did you find anything else?
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What are the limitations of pie over Oreo? Is there a reason not to update?
Just recieved the Update in Germany. All data was deleted!
So Backup your data before installing.
I received the update a few days ago, and since then my tablet doesn't want to fast charge. Anybody has a similar problem?
Not here. I'm on Android 9 (pie) with Nov. 1 security update. I didn't notice any issues. First time I have ever seen Samsung get out a timely security update, it was only a couple of weeks after my Pixel (which is on Android 10).
I don't know what is OnePlus doing.. I'm using OnePlus 7t still running on November security patch
Previously I used OnePlus 6.in that time op6 gets every month security patches and updates without any delay..I'm so happy with OnePlus software updates and security patches.. that's why i upgrade my phone to 7t..now everything upside down no regular updates or security patches..(it's not a OnePlus issue but i have to say custom rom development's and community are not active for this device) I expected so much from OnePlus..when i upgraded.. sadly I'm disappointed
If guy's know anything about this updates delays please comment..
Sorry..if any grammar mistakes.. thank you
[email protected] said:
I don't know what is OnePlus doing.. I'm using OnePlus 7t still running on November security patch
Previously I used OnePlus 6 that device monthly security patches and updates..in that I'm so happy with OnePlus software updates and security patches.. that's why i upgrade my phone to 7t..now everything upside down no regular updates or security patches..(it's not a OnePlus issue but i have to say custom rom development's and community are not active for this device) I expected so much from OnePlus..when i upgraded.. sadly I'm disappointed
If guy's know anything about this updates delays please comment..
Sorry..if any grammar mistakes.. thank you
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You should understand that the Coronavirus incident affected all of the development, from any China company.
[email protected] said:
I don't know what is OnePlus doing.. I'm using OnePlus 7t still running on November security patch
If guy's know anything about this updates delays please comment..
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Yes, I'm super disappointed too.
Yet, oneplus is doing bimonthly updates, and they've been clear about this.
That means update every two months.
For some stupid reason they release one security update late. Last update was 13 December (with the Nov security patch). That means that in approx two days they will release an update if they are on schedule. (Except the Corona situation might delay things)
Now since they release last month's security updates with every update our phone will be brought up to January security update next time.
That's keeping with their promise and the two monthly release.
Considering even Samsung the notoriously bad update king manages to push out recent security updates every month there's understandable reason to be disappointed. Although we are the ones who made assumptions about updates, so I guess we can only blame ourselves ?
They're wary of the virus spread right now in China. So work and other stuff are either halted or limited.
A oneplus staff member stated on their own forum that because of the coronavirus the updates are delayed but op7t will get the january Security Update in the next 2 weeks
PsychOlli said:
A oneplus staff member stated on their own forum that because of the coronavirus the updates are delayed but op7t will get the january Security Update in the next 2 weeks
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"We encountered some delays due to the NCP outbreak. The January security update for 7T will be released in the following two weeks if all goes well."
Sent from my OnePlus7TPro using XDA Labs
I heard that their staff announced new updates will come on two month regular basis
[email protected] said:
I don't know what is OnePlus doing.. I'm using OnePlus 7t still running on November security patch
Previously I used OnePlus 6 that device monthly security patches and updates..in that I'm so happy with OnePlus software updates and security patches.. that's why i upgrade my phone to 7t..now everything upside down no regular updates or security patches..(it's not a OnePlus issue but i have to say custom rom development's and community are not active for this device) I expected so much from OnePlus..when i upgraded.. sadly I'm disappointed
If guy's know anything about this updates delays please comment..
Sorry..if any grammar mistakes.. thank you
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yea im pretty disappointed with the lack of development too. this device is pretty much dead
bynarie said:
yea im pretty disappointed with the lack of development too. this device is pretty much dead
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Twrp is the main problem as soon as that gets figured you it custom time should flood in
PsychOlli said:
A oneplus staff member stated on their own forum that because of the coronavirus the updates are delayed but op7t will get the january Security Update in the next 2 weeks
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Thanks for the information
rob420p said:
Twrp is the main problem as soon as that gets figured you it custom time should flood in
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Yeah..Right
Abaddon said:
They're wary of the virus spread right now in China. So work and other stuff are either halted or limited.
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Yes..i can understand..but yesterday my brother got jan patch on his realme device.. that's also a Chinese manufacturer right.. sorry just saying...wait and see
Thanks for the response you guys ?
Seriously people its just a mobile phone update. People are dying, entire cities are shut down. Have some respect please.
Why would you put your trust in any oem? OnePlus already has your money. Also you're on XDA asking this... a home of developers and other enthusiasts who create and contribute to custom updated roms. [emoji2361]
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Yeah..Right
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U don't think so?
[email protected] said:
Yes..i can understand..but yesterday my brother got jan patch on his realme device.. that's also a Chinese manufacturer right.. sorry just saying...wait and see
Thanks for the response you guys ?
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They're all under BBK electronics yes. (Oppo, Vivo, Realme and Oneplus) but they're seperated into different teams/offices especially OnePlus with it's OxygenOS. So people from Realme can work I think but people from OnePlus can't. It depends on where they are and their worling environment. Just wait. It'll soon be there and development on custom scene shall be A-okay okce twrp gets sorted out.
skeamznz said:
Seriously people its just a mobile phone update. People are dying, entire cities are shut down. Have some respect please.
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Delaying this update for Corona virus is understandable, and first thing important is the employees health.
But let's not just pretend this is one time thing. OnePlus always does this, always releases an update at the end of the month with previous months patch set and never really stay on track.
In my opinion, this is where OnePlus has fallen behind, and I think it's because they release too many phones to keep track of.
Oh FFS........ China is under siege from a deadly virus and people are dying right now. Because of the virus large numbers of Chinese did not return to work after their New Year,
factories are shut or are shutting and this is already having an impact for the tech industries around the world and people here are moaning about updates as if their devices will explode if they don't get updated right now. GET REAL !!
Is this really what XDA is these days?
biohaz55 said:
Oh FFS........ China is under siege from a deadly virus and people are dying right now. Because of the virus large numbers of Chinese did not return to work after their New Year,
factories are shut or are shutting and this is already having an impact for the tech industries around the world and people here are moaning about updates as if their devices will explode if they don't get updated right now. GET REAL !!
Is this really what XDA is these days?
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You should try visiting the OnePlus forum. I think every second or third post is someone whining about the security update being late.
Aside from being disgusted by the colossal self-centeredness of so many people *****ing about a damned phone update while people in the phone's country of origin are literally dying, I can't help but wonder WTF these people are doing with their phones to make them that paranoid.
Eddiemc said:
Yes, I'm super disappointed too.
Yet, oneplus is doing bimonthly updates, and they've been clear about this.
That means update every two months.
For some stupid reason they release one security update late. Last update was 13 December (with the Nov security patch). That means that in approx two days they will release an update if they are on schedule. (Except the Corona situation might delay things)
Now since they release last month's security updates with every update our phone will be brought up to January security update next time.
That's keeping with their promise and the two monthly release.
Considering even Samsung the notoriously bad update king manages to push out recent security updates every month there's understandable reason to be disappointed. Although we are the ones who made assumptions about updates, so I guess we can only blame ourselves ?
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Corona has also affected miui but still they are on schedule so i dont get the point.. lets wait and watch.
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Eddiemc said:
Yes, I'm super disappointed too.
Yet, oneplus is doing bimonthly updates, and they've been clear about this.
That means update every two months.
For some stupid reason they release one security update late. Last update was 13 December (with the Nov security patch). That means that in approx two days they will release an update if they are on schedule. (Except the Corona situation might delay things)
Now since they release last month's security updates with every update our phone will be brought up to January security update next time.
That's keeping with their promise and the two monthly release.
Considering even Samsung the notoriously bad update king manages to push out recent security updates every month there's understandable reason to be disappointed. Although we are the ones who made assumptions about updates, so I guess we can only blame ourselves ?
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Corona has also affected miui but still they are on schedule so i dont get the point.. lets wait and watch.