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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M5q5TRuAsY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M5q5TRuAsY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Video is crappy and inaccurate. This dude is such a noodle and still wondering how he got a job for android authority..... dude the drops are significantly different, he pretty much throws the s3 in the one test........stupid and a waste of phones
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Video is crappy and inaccurate. This dude is such a noodle and still wondering how he got a job for android authority..... dude the drops are significantly differen, he pretty much throws the s3 in the one test........stupid and a waste of phones
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Exactly what i thought when first saw the clip.
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This video makes me cry.
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This video makes me cry.
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Please use the ip5 camera to record urself lol in the dark that camera is da best! (Rofl)
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Do people have no sense at all? If you wanted to do a test like this, hold both phone over the same surface (like concrete. not random granite pavers) and drop them the same time in the same manner. Instead of randomly flinging them in the air like this guy.
The problem with S3 aside from no frame except plastic on the edges is that they thin the glass near the edges like lunatics.. That is what makes it weak.
umm it was a petty good test IMO. Don't know why everyone is acting so surprised the S iii failed the test as the screen shattering on the smallest of drops seems to be a common problem with the S iii
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umm it was a petty good test IMO. Don't know why everyone is acting so surprised the S iii failed the test as the screen shattering on the smallest of drops seems to be a common problem with the S iii
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The tests are very inaccurate. If test something there shouldn't be so many variables. In this instance, the way the phone landed, how it landed, the surface it lands on, angle of the surface it lands on. For instance he says he's dropping the iPhone 5 face down yet in the slow mo it lands on the side. Any kind of test should have very few variables with constants set for each trial. Anyone who payed attention in science class would know that.
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The tests are very inaccurate. If test something there shouldn't be so many variables. In this instance, the way the phone landed, how it landed, the surface it lands on, angle of the surface it lands on. For instance he says he's dropping the iPhone 5 face down yet in the slow mo it lands on the side. Any kind of test should have very few variables with constants set for each trial. Anyone who payed attention in science class would know that.
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I've dropped my phone several times on concrete (from about 3'-6') and never had a problem. It does have a case that I got from the T-mo store. It all depends on how it lands I guess. But agree that the tests were not conducted equally.
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The tests are very inaccurate. If test something there shouldn't be so many variables. In this instance, the way the phone landed, how it landed, the surface it lands on, angle of the surface it lands on. For instance he says he's dropping the iPhone 5 face down yet in the slow mo it lands on the side. Any kind of test should have very few variables with constants set for each trial. Anyone who payed attention in science class would know that.
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The test was more of a height test with the variable being the angle at which the phone drops which the reviewer tried to control (but failed). But either way, i was more interested in how the S iii performed on it's own. Sadly, it reaffirms the rumor that S iii screens are really fragile and easy to break
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I've dropped my phone several times on concrete (from about 3'-6') and never had a problem. It does have a case that I got from the T-mo store. It all depends on how it lands I guess. But agree that the tests were not conducted equally.
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hey what kind of case are you using?
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The test was more of a height test with the variable being the angle at which the phone drops which the reviewer tried to control (but failed). But either way, i was more interested in how the S iii performed on it's own. Sadly, it reaffirms the rumor that S iii screens are really fragile and easy to break
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hey what kind of case are you using?
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I am using one that I got from the T-mo store. I don't have the packaging anymore, but I would imagine it is just a samsung case. Its a semi hard silicone case. My brother works there, I can ask him to check later.
Tests like these do have a lot of invalidity. In order to have a more valid test, he should drop the phones at the same time, at the same angle, at the same height, onto the same flat surface.
Ugh give it up already.
His test sucks but we gotta agree that this gs3 that we have is very easy to break.
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Random Thoughts on this Blasted Issue (is it even an issue?)
This test was not an accurate comparison, as such, between the two phones. Don't they both have "Gorilla Glass?" Regardless of if they do or don't, thing is... All types of glass have weak points (usually the corners) and at the same time there are individual defects... so its quite possible that this gs3 or even every gs3 is more vulnerable at certain angles.
That aside, its also important to note that the drops were *relatively* realistic... I've dropped phones and seen them dropped. A certain low grade HTC phone ended up with a (basically) shattered touchscreen that was held together by the coating (dropped from ~3.5 feet) fell straight on its front but because of an elevated "back button" the force was concentrated onto a corner of the screen (dropped on tile- small pieces of glass came out as well). And then I've seen an iphone 4 dropped on its back (nearly flat) (on contoured tile) and end up with a nasty scratch (not to mention the loss of sound to one speaker).
SO! Bottom line is in the real world you won't be able to control the circumstances of the drop. (Unless phones came with some sort of a self preservation function in the future). And there are enough variables to where almost literally anything can happen. Sometimes you get lucky. But almost always, these devices are fragile enough to where a drop now may lead to a failure down the road because a wire came loose and that was exacerbated by wear and tear or whatever the case may be. so AGAIN... Moral of the story... Don't drop your phone... Unless you are planning on upgrading soon.
Side note... Weight... GS3 is 21 grams heavier... so for the geeks out there thats 16% more force when the phone hits the ground... just saying... its a *negligibly* non-negligible change in the amount of beating... Who knows!!! Maybe in 20 years we will have phones with quantum computing and those flexy OLED displays so that it weighs in at less than 10 grams... We could chunk our phones and they would land like a newspaper/paper-airplane...
Last thought... regarding the NFC on the GS3 you have to actually completely touch the backsides of 2 phones?!? I dont know... but... it seems like you would have very little place to actually HOLD the phone (since its so thin)... Maybe thats why so many people keep dropping it all the time.:cyclops:
This thread is comedy. There's nothing complicated or funny style about how he tested the 2 devices. Whether he dropped the sg3 the same as he did the i5 or not. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone that this model of the i5 outlasted the sgs3 in a drop test. The i5 is encased with a metal shell, the sgs3 is encased in a good quality plastic shell. It's comparing apples and oranges. Geez!
I'm just sayin!
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Video is crappy and inaccurate. This dude is such a noodle and still wondering how he got a job for android authority..... dude the drops are significantly different, he pretty much throws the s3 in the one test........stupid and a waste of phones
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I know, I also noticed that he dropped the gs3 from a higher level after he cracked it, to act like he was surprised that the screen cracked more. what an iddiot, the iphone can be cracked also, he wasnt even trying.
As sad as it may be, I do think the GS3 is more fragile than the iPhone5. Is it more fragile because the S3 display is bigger, therefore have bigger weak points in the glass?
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As sad as it may be, I do think the GS3 is more fragile than the iPhone5. Is it more fragile because the S3 display is bigger, therefore have bigger weak points in the glass?
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No! It's more fragile because it's plastic and the i5 is metal.
I'm just sayin!
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No! It's more fragile because it's plastic and the i5 is metal.
I'm just sayin!
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The Galaxy S3 has a metal frame too. Plastic is more durable too since it dissipates shock better than rigid metal.
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This is NOT a question about the virtue of water resistance or water proofing a smartphone. So if you don't care for it, or if you don't think it's needed, or if you're going to suggest a waterproof case, please move on.
Can anyone confirm if the HTC 10 has any water resistant rating at all? The month-old rumors of IP68 has died out and I see no mention of it anywhere.
Based on the content of the launch video I would assume not. My guess is if it did have an IP68 rating or similar it would have been highlighted as one of the key features.
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This is NOT a question about the virtue of water resistance or water proofing a smartphone. So if you don't care for it, or if you don't think it's needed, or if you're going to suggest a waterproof case, please move on.
Can anyone confirm if the HTC 10 has any water resistant rating at all? The month-old rumors of IP68 has died out and I see no mention of it anywhere.
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IP53, extremely low water protection, decent/good dust protection.
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-10-water-resistant
https://twitter.com/urbanstrata/status/719880334138044416?s=15
Per DroidLife : According to HTC’s online comms manager, Jeff Gordon, the HTC 10 features an IP53 certification.
I guess human obsessions have limits. I wished they'd take it one step further with the metal body outer AND hermetically sealed inner components, but this is what they come out with, which still sounds like a great phone especially with unlocked BL and UH OH protection that covers water damage.
That's not really any different from the previous One M8 or M9... Honestly, even if you told me I could swim with my phone in my pocket, I don't think I'd ever do that. It's just too critical to my life to risk. A slightly better rating would have been nice, but if the trade off is the new boomsound speakers I'll take the speakers over the IP rating.
I'm a bit disappointed HTC didn't go IP68 on this one. I've gotta say, the Samsung demo I saw at Best Buy where the guy threw the S7 in a bowl of water while it was recording video was really cool.
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I'm a bit disappointed HTC didn't go IP68 on this one. I've gotta say, the Samsung demo I saw at Best Buy where the guy threw the S7 in a bowl of water while it was recording video was really cool.
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People just want more and more and more without realising technical difficulties. If it had ip68, there would be no great sounding speakers. Look at s7, horrible speakers, same for xperias. If htc actually went with ip68, people would be enraged, like how dare they use such ****ty speakers. Cant make everyone happy
A compromise would be an IP68 "active" version, but I doubt a company with financial issues like HTC could afford to diversify the product lines too much.
I'm pretty sure it's not water resistant because it would degrade the speaker quality and htc isn't about to lose their audio credibility. Every phone I've had that's submersible has had mediocre speakers.
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Don't care
Have an s7 but don't take it in the shower don't use it in the rain etc
Hi,
I know most data points to an edge display only, but there has been two sets of prototype pics of dev models with flat screen plus the leaked iris scan video was flat. So 3 pieces of data.
Are we doomed or maybe a flat model a few weeks later?
P.s why don't they realease an S8 plus edition, nice large screen but no s-pen,,? The pen doesn't interest me and the note 7 doesn't if it's curved
I need that big display thought too! So regular S series not for me sadly ?
Thoughts?
Pretty much doomed. Flat Note 7 is just on hand as a design in case the curved one has terrible sales from what I can tell, which will be very very unlikely.
There's rumors going around that the S8 will have a 5.5" UHD screen but everything's just rumors at this point ...
Make sure you actually get the Note 7 with the curve in your hands before you dismiss it though. I thought I'd hate the curve but it's not nearly as unusable as I'd imagined, and many of the cases out there mitigate curve damage nicely while keeping your fingers off it accidentally (ex. Caseology Wavelength).
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Pretty much doomed. Flat Note 7 is just on hand as a design in case the curved one has terrible sales from what I can tell, which will be very very unlikely.
There's rumors going around that the S8 will have a 5.5" UHD screen but everything's just rumors at this point ...
Make sure you actually get the Note 7 with the curve in your hands before you dismiss it though. I thought I'd hate the curve but it's not nearly as unusable as I'd imagined, and many of the cases out there mitigate curve damage nicely while keeping your fingers off it accidentally (ex. Caseology Wavelength).
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I use glass screen protectors, so a curved screen does not appeal at all.
5.5 inch is a little small but perhaps I'll consider it.
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I use glass screen protectors, so a curved screen does not appeal at all.
5.5 inch is a little small but perhaps I'll consider it.
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I'd take a stroll through http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/accessories/curved-tempered-glass-screen-protector-t3320688 and see what you can find if absolutely necessary to have a glass protector on a curved screen. Unfortunately it's a very long thread and not much have had success, but maybe a brand will stick out that we can watch from the Note 7 side of things.
Thanks, it's not worth all the trouble and worry though, I just won't reward them with my money sadly.
I still hold some small hope they remedy this mistake, but Samsung have a habit of being stubborn about doing stupid things for a generation (battery size, microSD) by the time they fix the flat screen, they'll do something else annoying. Like removing the physical home button (#1 reason I buy their phones)
According to my mobile services provider, none.
So if it appears to be the case what is our next option as Note lovers to the next best thing?
There is no flat model.
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So if it appears to be the case what is our next option as Note lovers to the next best thing?
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I have owned the s7 edge, s6 edge, note edge, note 5 and let me tell you it's not that big of a deal. Yes I prefer the flat screen model because glare in the sun sucks in the s7 edge. However in doors you learn to love the edge sexiness. Also writing with the spen won't be a big change
I have had the Note 3, Note 4, Note 5, and briefly the S7 Edge. The reason I returned the Edge was because of the locked boot loader and at that time, I didn't want that. The phone itself was very nice and I liked the Edge screen for the most part. It felt a bit gimmicky but some of the Edge panel features are nice. I didn't really have an issue with the Edge screen as far as holding the phone or touching the sides by mistake. The issue I had which I think was addressed later was miss taps while scrolling. The thing was constantly launching things while I was scrolling which drove me nuts.
If there was a choice between a flat or edge model, I am not sure at this point which I would choose but I would lean towards getting the edge model.
Android authority has a new leaked video....the screen IS FLAT!!!
note 7 flat screen video
https://youtu.be/E9Xw2O_eyRU
Apparently it is flat, cause flat's where it's at. Newest leak shows flat and appears legit. How the tide shifted from curved. I prefer flat displays so if true- a win
I don't know. The one on Androidauthority doesn't look flat to me and there WERE two prototypes, one flat and it was said Samsung had abolished it
It has been very widely reported that it was an internal video with a test unit. The flat version isn't coming out, period. All sources, and all leaks point to a curved model only.
If you need flat, then you need to look elsewhere. At this point that would be away from samsung.
I remember last year or so, when they moved the headphone jack, and a few other things, people were screaming, loudly, that it was turning into a iPhone, and the designs were not different enough to make a clear distinction between the top Samsung/Android phones, and the iPhone. The curved edge screen is that difference that was being looked for. In the end they have gained many more customers to the s7 edge and I would suspect the note 7 as well, than they will lose from those complaining about it. Remember how the removable battery and ir-blaster "mistakes" were going to bankrupt Samsung.
Personally, I have no opinion on the matter, I can't change the design, so I will end up with whatever they release. The positives of the device, as a whole, far outweigh a minor design consideration. I might grow to love it. Not sure, but I'm not running away until I try it.
The USB-C is the bigger issue... I want it, but what a pain in the butt it will be. Adapters, different charging cables... yuk. Once I get my whole family changed, it will be better. It is giving me flashbacks to the days of the dedicated charging cord... better hope you don't need to change your _______ if you didn't bring its cord.
For someone that sez "Personally, I have no opinion on the matter" that was a lot of opinions. ?
For me, locked bootloader no dice... Unlocked, got the cash in my pocket. Otherwise it's the next Nexus.
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For someone that sez "Personally, I have no opinion on the matter" that was a lot of opinions. ?
For me, locked bootloader no dice... Unlocked, got the cash in my pocket. Otherwise it's the next Nexus.
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I know that's what I said too lol...As for locked bootloader doesn't the carrier determine if its lock or not...doesn't Samsung always release it unlock?
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No flat screen option and still on the awful MM means I may not get it at all. I was looking forward to it.
Been with Samsung for a long time. May be time to try something else when more N devices launch later this year.
Well thank god they tamed the edge down..its barely there.
That was the only deciding factor for me getting the device as I am not an edge fan.
I think it looks like I can live with it, still want to see it in person but Ill preorder anyway
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I'd like to know if it really is a tamer edge than the S7 edge or not.
Really don't know why they can't stick with a flat screen but round the glass a little. Like the iPhone does it is fine.
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I guess that's what happens when you squeeze 3600 into a small waterproof box.
All phone may become dangerous after this point.
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19239...ages-which-will-shock-every-smartphone-owner/
I guess that's what happens when you squeeze 3600 into a small waterproof box.
All phone may become dangerous after this point.
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Wow... If this 'is' legit, every Note 7, old and new replacement is vulnerable regardless.
but, what ammount of presure is needed?
you cant get more than sea level pressure in normal circumstances, a little more at 1.5 m deep, so, how is that pressure causes this?
So no putting your phone in your back pockets!
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Wow... If this 'is' legit, every Note 7, old and new replacement is vulnerable regardless.
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Not just the note 7 really, it any phone. Like the kid with the iphone 6s sitting his heavy ass on it where it exploded. Air planes got pressure so any phone can explode...
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Air planes got pressure so any phone can explode...
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Huh? Even with pressurized cabins, the air pressure inside airplanes is much less than on the ground. Airliners keep their cabin pressure equivalent to the pressure at about 7000' above ground.
I don't fly much so i can't put more input except plane got pressure... but add that with quality battery and any other possible issue. One thing my not do anything but add each issue in... boom?
Science tid bit - Damn near everything explodes when subjected to pressure.. lol we all are screwed..
If you apply direct pressure crushing anodes and cathodes together or puncture any LITHIUM category battery from any phone, device, or anything else, it will burst into flames.
This wasn't very scientific testing. This is WELL known.
If you view their actual testing procedures, they removed the back cover and did it directly on the battery. They did not show the same test with the back on the device.
FYI< the pressure referring is not atmospheric. They applied direct pressure through a hardened rod.
Bloomberg stated a month ago that the Note 7 battery was "squeezed" into the Note 7 body. This is very disturbing as it suggests a real design flaw. Oh dear Samsung.
Whats the conclusion, are the replacment note 7's an safer than the originals?
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Whats the conclusion, are the replacment note 7's an safer than the originals?
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I just received mine (FD) today from Singapore I am not sure if it safe or NOT?:crying:
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I just received mine (FD) today from Singapore I am not sure if it safe or NOT?:crying:
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You must send it to me so I can do a proper two year test to ensure its safe.
PM me with your details. Thanks.
Ryland
thats the problem when samsung tried to follow apple non removeable battery , lol explode together
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I guess that's what happens when you squeeze 3600 into a small waterproof box.
All phone may become dangerous after this point.
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Pls read the original article and decide for yourself. Some people simply left out important details to put down Note 7 as much as they can.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3825286/Shocking-images-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-7-burst-flames-pressure-applied-battery.html#ixzz4MOgA7yBz
"However, lab admits that the same results would probably be seen on any handset from any manufacturer during such a test".
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Pls read the original article and decide for yourself. Some people simply left out important details to put down Note 7 as much as they can.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3825286/Shocking-images-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-7-burst-flames-pressure-applied-battery.html#ixzz4MOgA7yBz
"However, lab admits that the same results would probably be seen on any handset from any manufacturer during such a test".
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That's why I didn't write "Note 7" anywhere in my OP.
This will be an issue for all upcoming phones.
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That's why I didn't write "Note 7" anywhere in my OP.
This will be an issue for all upcoming phones.
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But you can already see that some in this thread are thinking it is just a Note 7 problem., based on the link you have posted
Please do not quote the sun as a reliable source of information, that article is just retarded
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Please do not quote the sun as a reliable source of information, that article is just retarded
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lol so true, i search this so called singapore battery lab to find more info , there nothing on their FB even youtube
ANY lithium BATTERY UNDER PRESSURE and specially, from a localized rod, or bar of little diameter, will fail ALLWAYS, the test was made to show how the batts fail, not to show that this particular batt fails under pressure all batteries in the market abroad will fail in a test designed to make them fail!!!! please, think, observe, use your eyes and brains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to find a dxf file to be able to be able to machine a frame for my project but cannot find one anywhere.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi everyone,
I'm trying to find a dxf file to be able to be able to machine a frame for my project but cannot find one anywhere.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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If you are looking for an app that can read a dxf file in your phone try schemataCAD , or DWG FastView.
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If you are looking for an app that can read a dxf file in your phone try schemataCAD , or DWG FastView.
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I'm looking for the dxf for the actual Galaxy Note 10 Plus frame. My project is making a custom Note 10 Plus.
You won't find what you need , but you can 3d scan it and convert the scanned output into a 3d model so you can either 3d print it or export it to a cnc machine
yeah Samsung is unlikely to give out that info, so you would likely need to get a fram and scan it to create a plot for the CNC as it will likely be kept under wraps to avoid imitation devices.
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I'm looking for the dxf for the actual Galaxy Note 10 Plus frame. My project is making a custom Note 10 Plus.
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Sounds great, I hope you actually get this project going.
If you do, by all means, keep us posted on your progress.
What kind of customizations are you aiming for?
If you could build one with a removable battery/IR Blaster/LED notification/Dual-Sim + dedicated SD Card slot, we're all interested. (basically an updated Note 4)... ?
Regardless of how you customize your Note 10+, we're all pulling for ya.
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Sounds great, I hope you actually get this project going.
If you do, by all means, keep us posted on your progress.
What kind of customizations are you aiming for?
If you could build one with a removable battery/IR Blaster/LED notification/Dual-Sim + dedicated SD Card slot, we're all interested. (basically an updated Note 4)...
Regardless of how you customize your Note 10+, we're all pulling for ya.
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LOL, you forgot 3.5mm headphone jack... For shame... :silly::laugh:
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Sounds great, I hope you actually get this project going.
If you do, by all means, keep us posted on your progress.
What kind of customizations are you aiming for?
If you could build one with a removable battery/IR Blaster/LED notification/Dual-Sim + dedicated SD Card slot, we're all interested. (basically an updated Note 4)... ?
Regardless of how you customize your Note 10+, we're all pulling for ya.
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For the moment its more of a aesthetic customisation... Changing the metal frame to a different material. But understanding how different materials affect signal strength etc is something I have to keep a close eye on.
I started with a simple update with the rear glass now clear instead of coloured. And this simple upgrade has started something now...lol??*
The glass is generally the factor in signal it's why they keep the glass external and why thing like the iPhone resourt to stuff like making the logo out of different materials and antenna lines in the metal case. so really changing the underlying frame shouldn't make much a difference if it is engineered near identical to the stock, the only difference may be an improvement if you move it to a non metallic material, but likely at the cost of strength. but really as long as you keep glass or other non shielded materials as the front and back you should be fine to do whatever to the internal frame as the metal running through will already be engineered to account for the signals.
it's likely that if you tried something like a full metal back you would then have problems with various signals likely including blocking NFC and wireless charging, but a near identical frame should follow the same rules as the stock metal one so would likely have the features in place to protect the signal no matter the material, as it will already be machined to account for the metal blocking signals.
but as said you would likely need to make your own plot of the frame using an existing frame and likely a fair bit of time to get it accurate. but it would be interesting to see if you could run a different material through the frame without adversely affecting heat distribution, strength and signals.