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I'm stuck between 4 and Edge

Well... thread says it all guys...
I was set on the edge, but now I'm not so sure. Something inside my mind is giving me doubt. Perhaps it's the lack of support currently. I currently have a Note 3 and I'm very happy with it. I wouldn't upgrade to something else if I didn't have to right now. But having ATT Next, I might as well.
Wife really liked the Edge and she's looking forward to trying something new. We just ordered her one. Should be here in a week or two... but I'm not so sure.
I looked at one in Best buy, and I can say I had no issues holding the phone or whatever people complain about. (I'm a lefty too). Perhaps big hands help. The screen is a cool idea and you can put some of your common apps on the side I suppose, but I have no problem using folders on my main screen.
Has anyone had both and tried it out?
I'm not even sure what I need in response. I've seen plenty of YT vids comparing the two, held them side by side and read the Edge forums to gain an idea. Something is telling me it's just a gimmick like Kindle Fire's 4 cameras.

Personally went with the Note 4 because I felt like the Note 4 Edge was gimmicky, and wasn't sure how well cases would really work on it... In the end, I needed a phone to last a while, so I went with a regular Note 4 with a solid case.

I was set to get the edge on it's debut date. Played around several times at the store. Liked it a lot but changed my mind. The deciding factor: bezels seemed big for my liking. Though that may have been a matter of perception.

I owned the Edge for 2 days and it's a really nice phone, but the edge screen is very gimmicky. After a day it seemed pointless to have it. Also, the battery life seemed worse than my Note 4.
I ended up returning the Edge, getting a Note 4, and pocketing an extra $100.
The Edge is good, but the extra screen just isn't worth the extra $100 in my opinion.

I too drooled over the edge, but passed in the final analysis in favor of the note 4. I am fortunate enough for cost to not be an issue when choosing a handset but I saw the edge quickly being shelved if purchased. 2 issues prevented my purchase as simply another toy, let alone daily driver.
Since the screen edge screen is on the right side the power button is moved to the top. I have years (decades) of using Samsung devices in my left hand and having the power button on my index finger. The move of the button to the top is not ergonomically sound for me.
Second was that some of the application screens would wrap around to the full extent of the edge screen, especially in the touchwiz settings. I found it quite annoying and was not willing to wait for Samsung to first fix it, then get the fix passed through ATT at some future date.
My 2 cents FWIW, but if the wife has one coming play with it and see what you think.

My 2 cents about the keeping my Note 4 is:
Gear VR!

I've got the Note 4 and the Edge right now. Just picked the Edge up today. I do like having my favorite apps on the Edge screen as opposed to taking up space on my home screen. The only time the Edge screen has been an issue so far is taking pictures. The capture button seems very sensitive and I ended up taking 14 pictures of the same thing. The battery life isn't as good as the Note 4. This is to be expected with a 3000mAh battery as opposed to a 3220mAh. If battery life is important to you I would recommend going with the Note 4 or if you plan to use the Gear VR. Also, the screen protector for the Edge doesn't stay on very well due to the curved portion of the screen.

Whos's returning their Samsung Note 7?

After playing with the Note 7 for about a week, just came to the conclusion that it's not for me at the present time. Reasons below :
1: Size. I do not like the size. Was hoping it was a little bigger. At least the size on the Note 4 or Nexus SP.
2: Battery sucks for me. Constantly charging.
3: Speaker. Cannot hear it some time if I am in another room.
4: Still no IR Blaster
5: This should maybe be #1 PRICE POINT. $879.00 + high taxes just not worth it. No phone is perfect but "Them Prices way to high Samsung need to CUT IT"!
6: The screen scratches too easily. Fingerprints!
7: Fingerprint Sensor. You have to press the button. Plus, I have gotten use to it being on the back.
8: Touchwiz still lags.
Great phone in every other way. But the "wow" factor is missing for me at this price. The Note is really the best built phone out right now. This is a really hard decision. But with other phones coming out, I will take a wait and see attitude. By October when everything is out, if nothing better is out maybe I will revisit the NOTE 7.

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Have you scratched yours?

lskeys said:
After playing with the Note 7 for about a week, just came to the conclusion that it's not for me at the present time. Reasons below :
1: Size. I do not like the size. Was hoping it was a little bigger. At least the size on the Note 4 or Nexus SP.
2: Battery sucks for me. Constantly charging.
3: Speaker. Cannot hear it some time if I am in another room.
4: Still no IR Blaster
5: This should maybe be #1 PRICE POINT. $879.00 + high taxes just not worth it. No phone is perfect but "Them Prices way to high Samsung need to CUT IT"!
6: The screen scratches too easily. Fingerprints!
7: Fingerprint Sensor. You have to press the button. Plus, I have gotten use to it being on the back.
8: Touchwiz still lags.
Great phone in every other way. But the "wow" factor is missing for me at this price. The Note is really the best built phone out right now. This is a really hard decision. But with other phones coming out, I will take a wait and see attitude. By October when everything is out, if nothing better is out maybe I will revisit the NOTE 7.
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Some valid points but some are just nonsense....
You purchased the phone knowing the price and that it has no IR blaster so why does it now affect your purchase?
The finger print sensor has nothing wrong with it. Due to your preferences and what you are used to, you are creating this problem.
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m00moo said:
You purchased the phone knowing the price and that it has no IR blaster so why does it now affect your purchase?
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in a way that when you pay almost 1000 EUR for a device, you expect much more.
and the test period has demonstrated that the device is not up to the expectations.
in other words, the device is overpriced; the price is grossly inflated.
that is evident to most users of previous Note models, even without purchasing it.

How bad is the speaker? Currently using nexus 6P but intend to pick one up soon.

djide01 said:
How bad is the speaker? Currently using nexus 6P but intend to pick one up soon.
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Volume is very low.

lskeys said:
After playing with the Note 7 for about a week, just came to the conclusion that it's not for me at the present time. Reasons below :.
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1: Size. I do not like the size. Was hoping it was a little bigger. At least the size on the Note 4 or Nexus SP.
- The screen is the same size so why would you want the body to be bigger? Doesn't make sense.
2: Battery sucks for me. Constantly charging.
- Depends on many many factors and there is always a bedding in period.
3: Speaker. Cannot hear it some time if I am in another room.
- It is down to the water proofing, but I read in many places it is still louder than some previous models.
4: Still no IR Blaster
- You knew this before you bought it.
5: This should maybe be #1 PRICE POINT. $879.00 + high taxes just not worth it. No phone is perfect but "Them Prices way to high Samsung need to CUT IT"!
-You knew this before you bought it.
6: The screen scratches too easily. Fingerprints!
- Glass = fingerprints, that's not unique to this phone. Put it in a premium case that still protects but still shows the look of the phone
7: Fingerprint Sensor. You have to press the button. Plus, I have gotten use to it being on the back.
- No you don't need to press it every time, just rest your finger on it when it asks for it.
8: Touchwiz still lags.
- Cannot be confirmed by everyone.
Then you went on to contradict yourself:
Great phone in every other way. But the "wow" factor is missing for me at this price. The Note is really the best built phone out right now. This is a really hard decision. But with other phones coming out, I will take a wait and see attitude. By October when everything is out, if nothing better is out maybe I will revisit the NOTE 7

lskeys said:
1: Size. I do not like the size. Was hoping it was a little bigger. At least the size on the Note 4 or Nexus SP.
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Its screen has the same size and resolution as the Note 4 and Note 5.
3: Speaker. Cannot hear it some time if I am in another room.
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The speaker works great for things like giving easily-heard directions while driving in a noisy car. I've never tried listening to a phone from another room. I find they're easy to take with me--fit right in my pocket! For music, I use BT headphones.
6: The screen scratches too easily.
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Are you reporting that you've scratched it, or just repeating others' rumors?

apprentice said:
1: Size. I do not like the size. Was hoping it was a little bigger. At least the size on the Note 4 or Nexus SP.
- The screen is the same size so why would you want the body to be bigger? Doesn't make sense.
2: Battery sucks for me. Constantly charging.
- Depends on many many factors and there is always a bedding in period.
3: Speaker. Cannot hear it some time if I am in another room.
- It is down to the water proofing, but I read in many places it is still louder than some previous models.
4: Still no IR Blaster
- You knew this before you bought it.
5: This should maybe be #1 PRICE POINT. $879.00 + high taxes just not worth it. No phone is perfect but "Them Prices way to high Samsung need to CUT IT"!
-You knew this before you bought it.
6: The screen scratches too easily. Fingerprints!
- Glass = fingerprints, that's not unique to this phone. Put it in a premium case that still protects but still shows the look of the phone
7: Fingerprint Sensor. You have to press the button. Plus, I have gotten use to it being on the back.
- No you don't need to press it every time, just rest your finger on it when it asks for it.
8: Touchwiz still lags.
- Cannot be confirmed by everyone.
Then you went on to contradict yourself:
Great phone in every other way. But the "wow" factor is missing for me at this price. The Note is really the best built phone out right now. This is a really hard decision. But with other phones coming out, I will take a wait and see attitude. By October when everything is out, if nothing better is out maybe I will revisit the NOTE 7
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I agree with the apprentice. This is exactly what I am saying about this thread as half of the things mentions are already known before purchasing or just common sense....it isn't a valid reason to then say the phone is a flop and you will be returning it.
Its fair enough to say that the battery is a let down or that the phone is scratching badly because we don't know this prior to having the handset. But to say that the glass gets fingerprints? I'm sure all glass gets finger prints unless it specifically says oleo-phobic and that its finger print proof then you don't have a case. Also to say the phone is expensive? yes it is we all know that but for some like myself i managed to get a very cheap sim only tariff and bought the phone outright. Over the course of 2 years it works out at around £35 per month which is the average for a decent handset and tariff.

It's just really number 5 - buyers remorse.
Nice burn apprentice.
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Why not? You can hand over $879 + tax expecting something more than you eventually got. Then the lack of IR for instance could be offset by other advantages.
Isn't the screen smaller due to 0,1" going AWOL at the edges? So you have 5,5" flat estate and the rest is in the curves? It makes the phone smaller, but there are many 5,5" flat phones out there.
Advising a case to hide your glorious new phone in, is bad imo. It is just Samsung chose one of the worst materials to build a phone. A fragile front is more than enough. Having a backside that is slippery and accident prone is another.

Señor Sjon said:
Why not? You can hand over $879 + tax expecting something more than you eventually got. Then the lack of IR for instance could be offset by other advantages.
Isn't the screen smaller due to 0,1" going AWOL at the edges? So you have 5,5" flat estate and the rest is in the curves? It makes the phone smaller, but there are many 5,5" flat phones out there.
Advising a case to hide your glorious new phone in, is bad imo. It is just Samsung chose one of the worst materials to build a phone. A fragile front is more than enough. Having a backside that is slippery and accident prone is another.
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I agree it would be nice to have 0.2" more of usable screen but that would make the phone much wider and harder to handle.
We all know full well that Samsung were pushed into making their phones better looking and innovative. Journalists, bloggers and even guys like us moaned like hell about plastic or faux leather materials and boring designs. They were losing market shares and they needed to act. So they introduce glass and aluminium, they slim down the whole phone and do an amazing and well received job of making the phone look very sexy, and very different to all the other flat slabs out there. We all say yes! Good job! Samsung is now back on the ball, they sell very well and everyone is happy.... But as is always the case of impossible to please everyone... we get those complaining that they lost the removable batteries and the phone is all slippery and fragile and "I will never buy Samsung again... yada yada" But curved screens, glass and aluminium are here to stay for now because they sell and that is what Samsung is in this game for.
If you want to buy into all that and a lot of us do, then yes, a case is pretty much necessary. And to be fair the cases that Samsung offer really do ensure the phone still looks amazing. And if you need to have better protection there are alternatives.

Im returning mine due to some pink spots on the right side of the screen but not for a refund but for 1 to 1 exchange

Returning mine because its much slower then my note 5. Installs literally take twice as long. It makes no sense.

apprentice said:
I agree it would be nice to have 0.2" more of usable screen but that would make the phone much wider and harder to handle.
We all know full well that Samsung were pushed into making their phones better looking and innovative. Journalists, bloggers and even guys like us moaned like hell about plastic or faux leather materials and boring designs. They were losing market shares and they needed to act. So they introduce glass and aluminium, they slim down the whole phone and do an amazing and well received job of making the phone look very sexy, and very different to all the other flat slabs out there. We all say yes! Good job! Samsung is now back on the ball, they sell very well and everyone is happy.... But as is always the case of impossible to please everyone... we get those complaining that they lost the removable batteries and the phone is all slippery and fragile and "I will never buy Samsung again... yada yada" But curved screens, glass and aluminium are here to stay for now because they sell and that is what Samsung is in this game for.
If you want to buy into all that and a lot of us do, then yes, a case is pretty much necessary. And to be fair the cases that Samsung offer really do ensure the phone still looks amazing. And if you need to have better protection there are alternatives.
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Oh, yes I do agree Samsung was led astray when all the reviewers were whining about plastic phones and the Hansaplast S5 wasn't the best design they could make. Yet plastic is one of the best materials for a phone. It is light, scratch resistant, doesn't block signals or wireless charging and can be made in all colors and shapes. They got it wrong with the yucky feeling S3/S4/Note 2. After the S4 slipped out of my hand again, I got the Note 3 almost as soon as it was available. The faux leather stitching on it is bad, but the back cover gets the job done. After almost three years of use it has zero scratches and it is very grippy. Same as the N4. It survives my wifes handbag for almost two years now, which is no small feat for a phone. I was waiting for the N5, but if I wanted it, it needed parallel importing. That was too much hassle for a slippery phone with no SD-card, small, non-replaceble battery and glass everywhere.
The N7 is better than the N5, but I'll need to think long and hard if and when I'm going to buy it.

I'm definitely returning mine
#1. no Root
#2. Fast charging is fake, not fast at all
#3. Advertized very long battery life, also fake, it drains just as fast as it did in the past phones when playing games, with WiFi On, GPS On, and Bluetooth On.
#4. I'm seeing a lot of scary cracked glass for normal day to day operations (pocket) that is why I never went with Apple phones
#5. The wireless charging doesn't work well with Generic off brand wireless chargers.
#6. SIM card / SD card slot requires pin to pop out, if you push to hard to eject the button breaks off, and you are stuck with the SIM / SD card inside.
This is a Major No No for me, I swap SD card regularly,
in older models it was as easy as 1, 2, 3. (Pop the real case open, eject SD card, insert SD card, done)
I'm not happy at all with the Note 7 mainly due the lack of root, I could have overlooked some of the transgression listed above, but not having root, makes the phone useless to me.

djide01 said:
How bad is the speaker? Currently using nexus 6P but intend to pick one up soon.
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Hi, Learn, if you listen to the naysayers on any forum you would never leave the house and certainly never make another purchase, not even have a hair cut. The Note 7 is a bloody good mobile. Buy it, experience it, if you don't like it you have 14 days to return it so someone else waiting for it can enjoy it. :highfive:
I have to say this Note 7 forum is getting silly. There are dedicated haters here who just post in nearly every thread criticising something they don't even own. Its turning to the point of hysteria on some threads. :silly:
Buy and enjoy.
Ryland

AllGamer said:
I'm definitely returning mine
#1. no Root
#2. Fast charging is fake, not fast at all
#3. Advertized very long battery life, also fake, it drains just as fast as it did in the past phones when playing games, with WiFi On, GPS On, and Bluetooth On.
#4. I'm seeing a lot of scary cracked glass for normal day to day operations (pocket) that is why I never went with Apple phones
#5. The wireless charging doesn't work well with Generic off brand wireless chargers.
#6. SIM card / SD card slot requires pin to pop out, if you push to hard to eject the button breaks off, and you are stuck with the SIM / SD card inside.
This is a Major No No for me, I swap SD card regularly,
in older models it was as easy as 1, 2, 3. (Pop the real case open, eject SD card, insert SD card, done)
I'm not happy at all with the Note 7 mainly due the lack of root, I could have overlooked some of the transgression listed above, but not having root, makes the phone useless to me.
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I have to disagree with a lot of things you have listed here. Especially as you claim fast charging is fake! Even if it wasn't as fast as you liked you can't simply dismiss it as fake. Before buying the phone you must have known about the SD card slot - where else could it go and still retain good water resistance?
But the whole thing about rooting is premature. How many new high end devices are rootable in the first couple of weeks of release? We have hit dead ends before regarding rooting but then someone finds a way through. But if you want it rooted today then I guess that's your reason for dismissing this phone. It makes me wonder why you bought it before looking into this particular issue.

May seem strange to most of you guys but the lack of IR blaster kills it for me. I use it on my note 3 all day everyday. Air-conditioning at work and at home. My TV and set top box. My fan. It's such a small piece of tech with so much use. Kind of annoys me that they took it away.
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I have to disagree with a lot of things you have listed here. Especially as you claim fast charging is fake! Even if it wasn't as fast as you liked you can't simply dismiss it as fake. Before buying the phone you must have known about the SD card slot - where else could it go and still retain good water resistance?
But the whole thing about rooting is premature. How many new high end devices are rootable in the first couple of weeks of release? We have hit dead ends before regarding rooting but then someone finds a way through. But if you want it rooted today then I guess that's your reason for dismissing this phone. It makes me wonder why you bought it before looking into this particular issue.
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I bought into the hype after watching the live unveil in New York.
I was actually checking out the Nexus 6p, as I wanted a new phone with Root.
in the past Samsung phones used to be a safe bet to get root, but seems like since the S7 the game has changed.
Fast charging is as you said not fast enough, 1 hour charge to only get 60% to 70% is not much improvement over the Note 3 / Note 4 charging, somehow the way I use my phones they can drain the battery faster than it can recharge itself.
So battery packs has always been my friend, as I keep several charged battery packs ready to swap in/out.
Reason why I skipped Note 5, due the lack of battery swap. I decided to give Note 7 a try thinking it should have improved, but nope it's just exactly as I guestimated it would perform, and the educated guess was spot on.
I was not really surprised by the charge speed lack of performance, just the Advertisements, and the Unveil event made it such a huge deal that is was like WOW... but in reality it does not really deliver as advertised.
The charge speed performance is no different than previous generation, phone batteries like Note 3 and Note 4, using a normal 2A charger and a battery charger, my batteries pack are full in about 2 hours aprox same time it takes for the Note 7 using the "fast charge" to reach 100%
The so called fast charge to 50% in 30 min is bogus, I was clocking it, it was more like 45min to an Hour depending if the phone was Off or On... which is pretty much the same rate why it takes aprox 2 hours for 100% charge.
The old Notes 3/4, charges at about the same rate as Note 7, so they are just advertising the same old as new, I don't really see any real improvement over previous model.
With the removal of the option to swap battery packs since Note 5, it makes it even less appealing knowing you'll be stuck without battery until you find a plug.
In Note 3 and Note 4, you simply pop out the drained battery and pop in the 100% charged battery, downtime 60 sec at most to open back cover swap the battery and replace the back cover.
The Note 5 and Note 7 downtime ranges until you find a plug, or you carry one of those external battery top up dongles, not very appealing. I know those are very common with Apple users, and I don't like carrying those bulky USB dongles with me.
Battery life If I'm being conservative and turn off GPS, turn off Bluetooth, and turn off WiFi, I can get aprox 3 hours with Note 7, which is again about the same time I get with previous Note 3 and Note 4.
So the claim for an improved battery life is also bogus advertisement.
I still have about 7 days to keep it, if nothing changes by then, it's going back to the store.
The only nice feature I like on the Note 7 is the Iris scanner, and the 4x MIMO, actually that's the only reason the Note 7 picked my interest, I wanted to see if the 4x MIMO would improve signal quality, in poor reception areas, and it did.
so, of all the hyped propagandas during the live unveil and Ads, only the Iris scanner and 4x mimo actually performs as advertised, everything else, not so much, like the "free" game pack that is not available to people in North America >.< ...like really, advertised live during a new york event, and then they said, or sorry that's not for you.

Reasons to not buy the note 7?

Hi, lets put aside "lol it will blow your house" thing...
The main reason i want this phone is screen (well also having a samsung vr would be interesting)
What do u guys think besides that what reasons u guys wont recommend me to buy this phone?
thanks!

It's the best phone currently made, so really no reason not to get it. I think the main thing I don't like is the non-removable battery, which had Samsung put a removable battery in it then the whole recall thing would have been as simple as them sending us a new battery. But overall there is very little to complain about with the phone and a ton of things to like.

The lack of IR blaster is very disappointing.
The credibility of Samsung after the recall.
Question of future updates.
Light leak under the curved glass.
Saying all that I'm still waiting patently for my replacement..

Doesn't make wet coffee only dry. Makes a mess of washing my car.
BUY IT and love it......I have never been so black and white before. Just try and buy one, its hell!
Go go go and get the Note 7........
Ryland

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Hi, lets put aside "lol it will blow your house" thing...
The main reason i want this phone is screen (well also having a samsung vr would be interesting)
What do u guys think besides that what reasons u guys wont recommend me to buy this phone?
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Anyone that lacks mental bandwidth to use a real phone. In that case I recommend that person to go buy an Iphone where it requires nothing more than swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe and press.

the only reason I can think about somebody not geting a note 7 is not having the money to do it.......

How common is this "light leak" issue? My note gets here tomorrow and I want to make sure it doesn't have any build quality issues. I went through 3 s6s and got stuck with one with a wobbly home button and asymmetrical screen.

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How common is this "light leak" issue? My note gets here tomorrow and I want to make sure it doesn't have any build quality issues. I went through 3 s6s and got stuck with one with a wobbly home button and asymmetrical screen.
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My previous Note 7 had the gap (the same gap described as expansion in the user manual and did indeed leak light) Replacement does not have the expansion gap at all, in fact it is just like the S7 Edge in that it is bonded entirely. Very happy with my replacement.

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My previous Note 7 had the gap (the same gap described as expansion in the user manual and did indeed leak light) Replacement does not have the expansion gap at all, in fact it is just like the S7 Edge in that it is bonded entirely. Very happy with my replacement.
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So when I get the phone I just need to check the sides where it curves and make sure the glass is sealed tightly against the metal with no gap?
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Also.. Anyone have any luck with a protector working with a case yet? I want the neo hybrid case.

Curved screen makes it almost impossible to get a good screen protector and especially a good screen protector/case combination that plays nice. No IR blaster, no removable battery, audio is pretty crappy (standard crappy, not particularly crappy compared to other phones that aren't enhanced like the HTC and LG flagships), curves on screen get annoying when using s-pen, probably will never get s-off... That's about all I can think of. Oh, and occasional lag which I don't think should happen in today's day and age with these processors and RAM amounts. It's probably just Samsung and their TouchWiz... I think the HTC 10 and LG V10 seem smoother, honestly. Not a huge deal though.
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This is only reason I can really think of depending on what you are coming from. I had one before the recall and that one was even worse than this one. I get this with my Nexus 6P which is a year old. I love everything else about it, dunno what people are doing to get 4-5 hours of SOT differently than I am.

Its the best phone out bar none.
That said i find the edge screen useless and annoying...cant even use a glass screen protector. I would prefer a flat screen.
I would prefer a flat 6" screen actually lol.
Would be nice if it had front firing stereo speakers also....my nexus 6 and 6P kill the note in sound.
Other than that i couldnt think of anything else someone may not like about it.
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So basically no screen protectors work with a case with the phone. That a major issue for me bcuz I'm ocd and a scratch on the screen will drive me nuts.

Chadly said:
So basically no screen protectors work with a case with the phone. That a major issue for me bcuz I'm ocd and a scratch on the screen will drive me nuts.
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Don't get the Note 7. You've already talked yourself into how terrible it is. In fact, don't get any phone, I don't think there is ever going to be one made that would keep you anywhere near glass half full stage.

The phone comes with screen protectosr preinstalled. Both back and front.

One main reason I can think of at least for me is sound quality. Sound quality is not the greatest by far. Hands cover the speaker a lot when holding it. Although it is because the phone is water resistant but still. There is a dual speaker mod though that I have yet to try that could help with this

i have the phone and i like it, but there are definitely reasons not to buy it.
1: you can get a OnePlus 3 for less than half the price, and the only areas the Note 7 "wins" in are subjective stuff like screen quality (i don't believe the human eye can see the difference between 1080p and quad HD) or "i like having a stylus". the Note 7 camera is better, but mostly in low light situation, and the gap isn't nearly as big as Android blogs (and Samsung owners) make it out to be.
2: TouchWiz has cleaned up but it's still not as smooth as just about every other OS out there. people hate on LG, well i'm using a LG V20 right now and it's definitely smoother and snappier than the Note 7. OnePlus 3 too, is smoother than the Note 7.
with that said, the phone IS beautiful to look at. the edge display give it a really cool bezel-less effect, but it's not practical (edge features are redundant) AND makes the phone more likely to break than "normal" phones.
if money is no issue or you are a gadget geek who just like to own the biggest, most hyped it product (i belong in the this group), then by all means, the Note 7 is a worthy purchase. but to the very average consumer, like, say my middle-aged mom? i wouldn't advise her to buy the note 7 for $850 when there are $400 phones that more than gets the job done for daily use.
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So basically no screen protectors work with a case with the phone. That a major issue for me bcuz I'm ocd and a scratch on the screen will drive me nuts.
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plastic screen protector works, but yeah, no temper glass ones.
i've tried a few temper glass protectors, they either don't cover the sides, or cover the sides but lack adhesive in the middle, which makes the screen less responsive, especially when typing.

For me it would be the green battery icon All other things I can live with (facepalm)

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So basically no screen protectors work with a case with the phone. That a major issue for me bcuz I'm ocd and a scratch on the screen will drive me nuts.
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Yeah I think you have talked yourself out of the phone before even trying it. I see you post on every thread and its something negative about it without even have used it.

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It's the best phone currently made, so really no reason not to get it. I think the main thing I don't like is the non-removable battery, which had Samsung put a removable battery in it then the whole recall thing would have been as simple as them sending us a new battery. But overall there is very little to complain about with the phone and a ton of things to like.
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goes to show, any cheap or non standard batteries (or even OE) from ebay can easily cause the same issues as samsung have faced.
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So basically no screen protectors work with a case with the phone. That a major issue for me bcuz I'm ocd and a scratch on the screen will drive me nuts.
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have you tried the nano/liquid ones? I've given up with plastic and tempered glass crap. Its a better experience not using one at all.

Screen Crease

Prior to the release of the Galaxy Fold I held a high interest in the device, it looked to be the next evolution in smartphones and in some ways it is on the cutting edge. On an International flight the guy sitting next to me allowed to examine his Fold Device. My first impression was this is pretty slick until I unfolded it. I had suspicions the display wasn't going to be the seamless beauty seen in the promotional videos Samsung distributed prior to it's release. I didn't ask the user how long he had the device but it had only been released a few months earlier. Maybe it's just me but the crease running down the middle of the display is very pronounced and tough to ignore. Here's Samsung's official statement regarding the crease.
"You may notice the crease at the center of the main screen due to characteristic of new Polymer material but it is a normal characteristic of device designed for the Infinity Flex Display. It will not affect the display’s quality"
"You may notice the crease" You'd be blind if you didn't notice it and I'm curious about their definition of the quality of the display.
I held off on acquiring a Fold and happy I did based feedback I've read. Also I was surprised to read Samsung is releasing the Fold Special Edition which is identical to the current Fold for $1,090 USD. That's close to half the price of it at release! A big price reduction is concerning but understandable since the device had a number of quality issues, hopefully Samsung has addressed most of these.
My biggest deal killer is the crease so my question is how bad is it for people using it as their daily driver? Any word the soon to arrive Fold 2 has improved on this obvious blemish? I know if I dropped two stacks on a smartphone I might be hesitant to throw shade on it but seriously, how bad is the crease?

no disrespect, but ill be blunt here.
you dont have a clue about what you're talking about, you're just scared to throw down "2 stacks". looking for small excuses to keep yourself from pulling the trigger.
you're letting all the stupid reviews from the big "reviewers" (most of them who are useless), influence your views.
it seems like you did less with it in your hands than at a samsung experience store which is a shame.
if you had actually turned on the screen, turned up/down the brightness to suit the atmosphere, it would be evident that the crease you call an "obvious blemish" is pretty much no where to be seen.
once you tilt the phone, then yes, you can see it, but who uses their phone tilted?
you sound so sure in your post, yet your lack of knowledge is all telling.
fyi, that special edition you talk about? its rumored to have the same design as the first fold, with this years processor. it has nothing to do with the z fold 2.
the z fold 2 should be at the same price as the fold, possibly a tad bit higher.
good luck with waiting for the fold to be perfect, quite a few years away, probably never id assume.

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no disrespect, but ill be blunt here.
you dont have a clue about what you're talking about, you're just scared to throw down "2 stacks". looking for small excuses to keep yourself from pulling the trigger.
you're letting all the stupid reviews from the big "reviewers" (most of them who are useless), influence your views.
it seems like you did less with it in your hands than at a samsung experience store which is a shame.
if you had actually turned on the screen, turned up/down the brightness to suit the atmosphere, it would be evident that the crease you call an "obvious blemish" is pretty much no where to be seen.
once you tilt the phone, then yes, you can see it, but who uses their phone tilted?
you sound so sure in your post, yet your lack of knowledge is all telling.
fyi, that special edition you talk about? its rumored to have the same design as the first fold, with this years processor. it has nothing to do with the z fold 2.
the z fold 2 should be at the same price as the fold, possibly a tad bit higher.
good luck with waiting for the fold to be perfect, quite a few years away, probably never id assume.
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"You're just scared to throw down 2 stacks"
Wow, a certified mind reader! Money is only a problem when you don't have any...
"If you had actually turned on the screen"
YOU have no clue what you're talking about, the device was powered up. I spent at least 20 minutes using controls and features.
"Once you tilt the phone, then yes, you can see it, but who uses their phone tilted"
The crease was visible regardless of the viewing angle.
"You're letting all the stupid reviews from the big "reviewers" (most of them who are useless), influence your views"
So the "reviewer's" are useless and I should disregard them and put my faith in YOU?
Next time you respond to a post do everyone a favor, stick to what you KNOW, not what you ASSUME! You contributed very little to my inquiry about the crease, instead tossing around childish insults. Very inappropriate in this forum, get a grip or zip it!

Easy now guys. While it's ok to disagree, lets do it in a civil and respectful manner. Thank you.
--Badger50

I you have the money and you are fine with the small front display, it will easily be your daily phone.
For me, it's also a perfect desktop replacement, too.
Samsung shipped my Fold 5G with free buds and an assurance for a display replacement with worldwide premium concierge service.

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the device was powered up. I spent at least 20 minutes using controls and features
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hmmm.. so you spend 20 mins with the fold, and in your eyes, now you've experienced the fold. YET, you still come to a forum and say "how bad is the crease?"
makes no sense to me.
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Next time you respond to a post do everyone a favor, stick to what you KNOW, not what you ASSUME!
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LOL. its funny how you completely fail to realize i actually own a fold. since day 1 actually. "stick to what i know." LOL
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You contributed very little to my inquiry about the crease, instead tossing around childish insults. Very inappropriate in this forum, get a grip or zip it!
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what were my first 7 words?
what childish insults? did i swear at you? did i call you names?
samsung unpacked is coming at the beginning of august. the z fold 2 should be announced there.
you'll have yet another year to think about if you want to drop two stacks or not.
good luck

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I you have the money and you are fine with the small front display, it will easily be your daily phone.
For me, it's also a perfect desktop replacement, too.
Samsung shipped my Fold 5G with free buds and an assurance for a display replacement with worldwide premium concierge service.
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Thanks for the helpful input. With respect to the Display Replacement, any information as to whether or not Samsung would offer warranty replacement for a visible crease? It would seem they won't, implying it's a known defect they can't yet address. That's my biggest issue. Font Size can be increased, in doing so does it alter the symmetry of the entire display composition? Also, which model are you using? I'm leaning towards a Fold 2 variant of the SMF9070.

From my point of view of owning the phone, the crease does not bother me in the slightest, I literally don't even notice it any more. Everyone has mentioned the crease in all reviews and most also say within a day of using it you don't even notice that it is there
I've also added a screen protector to the front screen and the folding screen which keeps it clean and fresh (can be peeled off it needed), I also have the free screen replacement within the first 12 months.
In terms of the quality of the display I can't fault it, colour accuracy is very good as well as low light, it's very easy to view in sunlight as well. The hinge is very solid and I don't feel like I have to baby the device when using it.
You seem more hung up on the crease so just to say again, I literally forget it is there when I am using the device, it doesn't impact the phone at all. A visible crease is not a defect, it's there by design for the folding screen, don't forget this is new technology, it's likely the next few versions will have this crease, maybe it will get slightly better as they go forward.
In terms of font size, I have changed the dpi to 712 in developer setting and that works well for me, that's my sweet spot for using the phone.
With the larger front screen on the Fold 2, I would highly recommend picking that up when it's released. However if you are hung up on a crease on the screen, you might be best just getting say the new Note 20 and sticking with a normal form factor. For new technology, there has to be a small compromise for early generation products.

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From my point of view of owning the phone, the crease does not bother me in the slightest, I literally don't even notice it any more. Everyone has mentioned the crease in all reviews and most also say within a day of using it you don't even notice that it is there
I've also added a screen protector to the front screen and the folding screen which keeps it clean and fresh (can be peeled off it needed), I also have the free screen replacement within the first 12 months.
In terms of the quality of the display I can't fault it, colour accuracy is very good as well as low light, it's very easy to view in sunlight as well. The hinge is very solid and I don't feel like I have to baby the device when using it.
You seem more hung up on the crease so just to say again, I literally forget it is there when I am using the device, it doesn't impact the phone at all. A visible crease is not a defect, it's there by design for the folding screen, don't forget this is new technology, it's likely the next few versions will have this crease, maybe it will get slightly better as they go forward.
In terms of font size, I have changed the dpi to 712 in developer setting and that works well for me, that's my sweet spot for using the phone.
With the larger front screen on the Fold 2, I would highly recommend picking that up when it's released. However if you are hung up on a crease on the screen, you might be best just getting say the new Note 20 and sticking with a normal form factor. For new technology, there has to be a small compromise for early generation products.
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This is great input, thanks for sharing your experience. As mentioned I did have an opportunity to demo the Fold but it's the only one I've used to date. On this particular device the crease wasn't subtle, it would be difficult for most to ignore. Not sure what the owner's usage patterns are or other measures he may have employed. It's possible he used a screen protector which enhanced the crease, I didn't ask. When the Fold 2 is released I'll spend some time with it. I don't expect a virtually creaseless display but I would be very disappointed if it was similar to the one I've used.

I'm thinking it should look more like the flip which is less pronounced in video; I've not had a personal fondling of either so my view's here are strictly vicarious. I'm pretty sure I'm in though, I talked myself into it for round one but eventually bailed out with the delays. This time I'm hopeful the launch wont give me enough time to get antsy and I'm make it to pay dirt. Just got to find out about root...

I have had the fold for months, there is a crease, doesn't bother me at all, your mileage may vary!

I have the Fold and I never see the crease when used in front of me, you only see it when you're about to close it looking at it on an angle. It's not a problem at all, and trust me I'm very fussy with smartphones. It's not a deal breaker.

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From my point of view of owning the phone, the crease does not bother me in the slightest, I literally don't even notice it any more. Everyone has mentioned the crease in all reviews and most also say within a day of using it you don't even notice that it is there
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thank you. exactly what i said.
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I have the Fold and I never see the crease when used in front of me, you only see it when you're about to close it looking at it on an angle. It's not a problem at all, and trust me I'm very fussy with smartphones. It's not a deal breaker.
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gotta love affirmation

Question Help me decide. I have S21U. Should I get the Z Fold 3?

Amazon has a really great price on the unlocked US version and comes with the Buds as well for $1500! I currently have the S21 Ultra. The Ultra has bigger battery, better camera, and dust resistant.
If I were to buy the Fold I would keep my Ultra.
So is it worth switching? I'm a huge Note fan as well. Would it be wise to maybe wait until Feb and see if the s22 Ultra is basically the Note with built in Spen?
I was also toying with the idea of scoring a deal on a Tab S7 since I need a new tablet. Would it maybe just be best to stick with the S21 Ultra, buy my tablet and then get the S22 Ultra in Feb?
I'm also worried about the Fold 3 and screen cracking in the middle I'm seeing a lot on Reddit.

Just go for it. The fold 3 is better than any tablet. And the advantage of having the phone and the tablet with you really makes a difference.

I came from an S21 Ultra, and switched to Fold 3, I'm very pleased with the change, at the start, I did miss the S21 camera, but the Fold 3 camera is still fine for me.
The rest of the Fold 3 is fantastic, the for media consumption, is just brilliant using that center screen.
This is with me all the time, which a tablet wouldnt be.
Reliability wise, it feels very well built, and the screen doesn't feel fragile at all (I had the fold 2 before this, and never had any problems with the screen through my ownership)

Hold your horses if you want to root - its far better on the S21 for that right now - i can guarantee that lol

Ive seen enough videos side by side with the camera and IMO they look very similar, I'm sure the s21 zoom is amazing but for normal shots side by side its pretty hard to tell the difference.
You basically get a folding tablet in your pocket vs a typical phone thats what you get. Is it worth it? I think hell yes

I love the folds. this is my second after Fold 2 (for a year). Fold 3 hasnt been as reliable as fold 2 for me. Screen is already having issues after having sand in the hinge. I see so many screen failures in reddit group and samsung refuses to cover those under warranty even if it was not fault of your own. so be mindful of that.

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I love the folds. this is my second after Fold 2 (for a year). Fold 3 hasnt been as reliable as fold 2 for me. Screen is already having issues after having sand in the hinge. I see so many screen failures in reddit group and samsung refuses to cover those under warranty even if it was not fault of your own. so be mindful of that.
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Do you think it's better I buy the Tab s7+ and stick with the S21U and get the S22U instead?

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Do you think it's better I buy the Tab s7+ and stick with the S21U and get the S22U instead?
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this is very personal. I cant live without a large screen in pocket. So personally I'll chose fold everytime.
S22 isnt going to be radically differnt from s21U. Minor improvements everywhere wont make it a replacement for fold 3.
I personally hate having to do anything productive or even researching a product on normal phones, Fold solves that problem very well. I've tab s7+ too which I use only for media consumption.

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this is very personal. I cant live without a large screen in pocket. So personally I'll chose fold everytime.
S22 isnt going to be radically differnt from s21U. Minor improvements everywhere wont make it a replacement for fold 3.
I personally hate having to do anything productive or even researching a product on normal phones, Fold solves that problem very well. I've tab s7+ too which I use only for media consumption.
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What about the camera downgrade and the fragile screen? A lot of people are having the Fold's main screen break, even after just a few days.

So, the main takeaway is will most be happy or disappointed switching from the S21U to the Fold?

Keep the s21. I think if you want a foldable the flip is the better buy. But it depends.
I got the fold 3 for about 1100 on swappa as soon as it was released in august. The device feels great. The hinge is satisfying the 120 hz on both screens are nice (albeit marginal improvements). Generally the ability to see more detailed content is wonderful.
But
The cell signal is bad, the battery is bad, the display is fragile (inner display), the outer display you can do very little on, and the list goes on (including the camera experience just not being comparable to the s21). I like the fold 3 as an experiment and it is a jack of all trades master of none in my eyes. Lots of work needs to be done.
If you want to beta test it be my guest. But there’s a ton of issues I have. And I’ll probably always reach for my iPhone first

You just simply have to ask yourself: what do you actually need?
In my case, I am not a photography enthusiast, but I had to carry my cellphone and my tablet every time I go.
Phone for communication (of course), and tablet to carry all my (more than 100GB) documents everywhere (to work on my papers, read some textbooks, ...)
I found it is much more convenient now to carry only one gadget that can serve as a phone and as a tablet at once.
It's rather bulky and heavy, I admit, as a phone. That is the price I have to pay, I guess.

I went from Fold2 to S21U ... after 3 months I went back to fold 2, now I have the Fold3
I understand what I need
Once you've used the Fold, it's hard to go back

Honestly, I am not a fan of these "help me decide" posts. If you need all of us to convince you that you want/need this phone, then you probably are not going to be convinced. There is only ONE person that can "convince" you and that is you.
Look at reviews, look at tests, look at everything and then decide. If you need to HOLD one, then ping a friend with one or go to a store and hold it. No amount of words are going to convince you if you are not already convinced.
Good luck on your search and hope you settle on something that makes you happy!

i just switched my s21u to fold. so far it's been a great experience. i traded and got the fold 3 for $516 including tax and got a free buds2.

zyxel04 said:
i just switched my s21u to fold. so far it's been a great experience. i traded and got the fold 3 for $516 including tax and got a free buds2.
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I got mine about 2 weeks ago but good thing is to keep it clean that will fix any issues from the folding screen even tho it's the 3rd gen it's still fragile I like it bc I had the z flip I loved it but I did miss the bigger screen of a tablet so I waited and got my z fold for 189 just 2 weeks ago but yeah just use air duster to keep the dust out don't take to really dusty places and make sure you don't put anything else in your pocket with the z fold 3 no debit cards no nothing and get you a rugged case with hinge protection there's like 3 or 4 cases that are not to bulky and when you clean the screens use lens cleaner