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[Q] Wolfson on board?

Hello,
I'm planning to get this device soon and I wanted to know if anyone knows if it uses a Wolfson DAC like the Note 2. How is the sound quality with a good headset? Thanks in advance.
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2g11 said:
Hello,
I'm planning to get this device soon and I wanted to know if anyone knows if it uses a Wolfson DAC like the Note 2. How is the sound quality with a good headset? Thanks in advance.
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I checked the audio chip using the z-device test and it does have the wm1811 dac.
Can't say much about Sq since my sennheiser broke.
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I'm not an audiophile, so I wouldn't even know where to begin describing or measuring things like soundstage, brightness, etc...
But I have a very capable portable media player in the form of the Open Pandora... This device produces superb sound as the internals were designed and parts chosen by an audiophile.
Using my Sennheiser MX470 buds to compare the same track on both devices...
The Note 8.0 produces decent sound, but i don't know how else to say it... compared to the Pandora, the sound is a bit flat, in other words - i'm not immersed to the same degree as I am with the Pandora - where the sound appears to completely envelope me. Also I can hear more + finer detail with the Pandora...
But keep in mind the Pandora produces better sound than the AudioQuest Dragonfly Dac.
Here is a review of the Pandora's Sound capabilities and all relevant info: http://www.head-fi.org/products/open-pandora/reviews/8570
But I never expected the Note 8.0 to compare. So far, in my limited experience, I haven't come across a single device that can beat the Pandora in the sound department.
All in all I am very pleased with the sound the Note 8.0 produces.
- it's clean, has a good range, plenty of volume, and plenty of detail in the high and low notes. If I didn't own a Pandora, I wouldn't know what I was missing.
Of course we still need a de facto audiophile to come test the sound quality and give the final word...

Thanks for your input guys!
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Anyone return phone due to poor HP audio?

I have to say that while my copy has been flawless, I can't say I like the HP output. It's at least two steps back from my old Samsung GNex. Volume is poor and simply the detail coming out of it, at least through my Audio-Technika IM70 IEMs, is also quite lacking. Not impressed at all.
Is anyone else thinking about returning/selling their phone due to poor HP output?

No ofcourse not there will be a tweak to make it sounds good
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I've not experienced anything like that. Like you I love my music and I am very happy with the quality coming from the handset. Although I always use poweramp.

I like the audio from this device.

I was replying to one guy at reddit before. He was curios about the sound on the G4 compared to HTC One M7. Since I got both, and I do listen to music a lot, I wrote my impression.
"I switched from M7 to G4, and I was worried about the sound in headphones also. Even though I think they both perform really good, but I will give my M7 a slight edge here. I was listening to both right now, and it feels that G4 got more highs, bass is not as punchy as M7, and M7 sounds more tight. It's really hard to say which sounds better, matter of taste, but I find M7 as a better sound quality device, even though the sound is a bit dull comparing to G4. The volume levels are higher in M7, but the volumes G4 produces are more than enough for me.
Both devices were tested with stock players, without any EQ tweaks, Beats Audio turned off of course. Music genre: electronic. Earphones: Shure SE425."
But I won't return this device, only because I don't like the sound as much as I do on M7. G4 is superb phone in overall, and the sound is not bad at all, it's just different.

Versus my M7 it doesnt compare. But with that being said my M7 had an audiomod on it which revamped the output. There really isn't any phone(stock) that I could find that'll compare to it.
Am I going to return it? Nope. I'll wait for root and get another mod and call it a day

The headphone quality is indeed poor. Also on my unit, the device won’t even recognize the headphone input unless the jack is pressed at a certain angle. Tested with multiple pairs of headphones.
The headphone situation is my only negative mark for this phone. Everything else about it meets or exceeds expectations.

Idk how can some people all audio quality on this phone good....
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ambervals6 said:
Idk how can some people all audio quality on this phone good....
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Idk how someone on an S6 keeps trolling the G4 threads.
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The headphones quality by all means isn't poor whatsoever. Tested and compared to iPhone 6,5, Samsung s6 n4 and 2014 edition tablet. Lg g4 by far is the very best. I'm a sound engineer and was blown away from the sound of this device. It's very well balanced with extension on the highs. The bass of course isn't as punchy but it's just right amount of bass extension so it doesn't overpower the mids. Yes volume output for hp isn't so great. Lg g2,3,4 is the one phone that has a DAC inside for sound quality and support natively 192/24bit audio

wadamean said:
The headphones quality by all means isn't poor whatsoever. Tested and compared to iPhone 6,5, Samsung s6 n4 and 2014 edition tablet. Lg g4 by far is the very best. I'm a sound engineer and was blown away from the sound of this device. It's very well balanced with extension on the highs. The bass of course isn't as punchy but it's just right amount of bass extension so it doesn't overpower the mids. Yes volume output for hp isn't so great. Lg g2,3,4 is the one phone that has a DAC inside for sound quality and support natively 192/24bit audio
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This.
LG just lowers the volume so you don't blow out your pretty ear drums. Volume mods are just a number tweak.

player911 said:
This.
LG just lowers the volume so you don't blow out your pretty ear drums. Volume mods are just a number tweak.
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Tweak tips?
Any way to turn on the LG Nanny mode off?

Dennisg34 said:
Idk how someone on an S6 keeps trolling the G4 threads.
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Have both phones. The audio on g4 is crappy when earphones are on. But feel free to troll and deny it
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Sounds a lot better than my Nexus 6. I had to mess with the equalizer to get a decent sound that wasn't muffled/"warm" but not with the G4.
Using PowerAmp and ATH-M50x.
It also gets plenty loud for me. I've never had to turn the volume to max.
If it doesn't get loud enough for you, get some headphones/iems that isolate better, are within proper impedance range for a mobile device or get an amp or get your hearing checked.

I don't understand what you all mean when you say you apply an audio mod to make things sound better. What does this "mod" actually do? I am very skeptical because mods can only modify the software at that point, the hardware (which controls the quality) is what it is.

I sweat by Viper4Android. Its crazy all the things it can do. The convolver in particular has helped elevate the sound. Not being able to install it has been my biggest disappointment with the g4
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DAC quality? (headphone audio)

Guys What is your opinion about the headphone audio quality from op3? I know audio is subjective and it depends upon your listening equipment too but nonetheless share your opinion.
P.S - I know it's not better than HTC 10 but comparison with HTC 10 would be a good reference.

sapnesh said:
Guys What is your opinion about the headphone audio quality from op3? I know audio is subjective and it depends upon your listening equipment too but nonetheless share your opinion.
P.S - I know it's not better than HTC 10 but comparison with HTC 10 would be a good reference.
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I didnt read anything about them mentioning a dac for the Oneplus3. Nevertheless, i still ordered it lol.
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BubooBear said:
I didnt read anything about them mentioning a dac for the Oneplus3. Nevertheless, i still ordered it lol.
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I see you have a HTC 10, please share your opinion once you receive the op3

I'll be getting one too, so I'll report about it. Unfortunately there aren't many, if any USB-C Portable DAC, if you wanted to use one to boost audio quality/performance.

I'm also wondering the same thing and it's basically what's holding me from buying the phone.

duluc said:
I'm also wondering the same thing and it's basically what's holding me from buying the phone.
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It uses NXP Audio Amplifier. I had the review unit and did a teardown with one of my friends. The sound quality is Good via the headphone jack but it feels quite flat. You can fix this by Using V4A Or other EQs. It uses a Dirac HD Sound too.

As said, it uses the standard snapdragon 820 audio circuit and 24bit 192 kHz built in dac. As in the S7, audio is unexceptional (exynos version has wolfson derived Dac and is better but is said to still not be up to outboard Dac/amplifier quality).
Apps like viper and power amp will not help to increase sound quality. They may make things sound different but the limitations are hardware based. If anything, they put more strain on resources. Sure, if the pretty multi coloured lights appeal, use them. Otherwise you're better off with Google standard music player or something like black player.
If audio is of utmost importance go HTC/LG or outboard dac such as dragon fly.

mk_1996 said:
It uses NXP Audio Amplifier. I had the review unit and did a teardown with one of my friends. The sound quality is Good via the headphone jack but it feels quite flat. You can fix this by Using V4A Or other EQs. It uses a Dirac HD Sound too.
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can you tell me how to prove whether Dirac HD Sound is there or not as there is no app also as per their website Indian one it says for speaker optimization only

How's that in comparison to the iphone's ? I'm gonna buy that dope today

Audio quality

I'm getting this phone soon and I was wondering how was the audio quality? When you go on GSMarena's review there is a huge downfall in audio quality when using the earphone jack. The Mi5 has outstanding quality compared to it which makes no sense. Has there been any software updates that have changed it after the review has been made?

No, it's rather bad and it's hardware related so no hope here. I'm thinking of getting another phone just for this.

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A matter of taste. I can't say that the sound is so bad.

With mine there are huge distortions in the mids compared to my computer (with extra sound card) and Oneplus One. I can also not hear the difference between lossless and mp3 on the device, while on other devices I can.
If you don't have good equipment you probably won't notice that much, as it is still better than most cheap phones.

I owned a MI4C previously and I think Mi5S audio quality is inferior.

I strongly recommended this mod, if you need good sound quality https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/soundmod-ainur-audio-t3450516

That one does indeed help a bit, although it cannot completely compensate the hardware.

With hardware everything is fine, the problem with a bad software

try halogen rom sound quality is the best

8166uy said:
No, it's rather bad and it's hardware related so no hope here. I'm thinking of getting another phone just for this.
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Would you know what exactly is the reason it's worse? As far as I know the S820/821 DAC is really good. Is it possible that the amp is garbage then?
tachymeter said:
A matter of taste. I can't say that the sound is so bad.
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It ain't a matter of taste, the audio quality tests show there's massive distortion, huge noise levels and stereo crosstalk is absolute trash.
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With hardware everything is fine, the problem with a bad software
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Can you give me a source for this? I've searched everywhere and all I see is complaints about the audio quality being terribad

I indeed suspect the amplifier, as it, aside from the distortions, doesn't sound very rich/full. The problems also become larger with higher volumes, especially with large headphones.

crzykiller said:
Would you know what exactly is the reason it's worse? As far as I know the S820/821 DAC is really good. Is it possible that the amp is garbage then?
It ain't a matter of taste, the audio quality tests show there's massive distortion, huge noise levels and stereo crosstalk is absolute trash.
Can you give me a source for this? I've searched everywhere and all I see is complaints about the audio quality being terribad
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Just listen music with customs like RR, LOS, and compare it with MIUI

Just buy an LG device if you want a good sound, Xiaomi ain't good in this area

CrazyLegenD said:
Just buy an LG device if you want a good sound, Xiaomi ain't good in this area
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The Mi5 has fantastic sound quality that blows this phone outta the water. When I get the phone I'll compare the stock MIUI to Halogen which supposedly has an audio fix that brings back to what it should be.

John.D.. said:
Just listen music with customs like RR, LOS, and compare it with MIUI
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So there really is a difference? I see halogenOS is suppose to have better quality. I hope it actually does

crzykiller said:
So there really is a difference? I see halogenOS is suppose to have better quality. I hope it actually does
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As I think: in MIUI there are some improvers, which on the contrary make the sound artificial, possibly because of Dirac

Flashing viperatmos with audiophile profiles the sound is a lot better

Chaninoza said:
Flashing viperatmos with audiophile profiles the sound is a lot better
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Where can I find it?

warface9991 said:
Where can I find it?
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/viperaudio-viperatmos-3-8-sq-driver-t3289075
Its working on miui 8.5 xiaomi.eu MM

John.D.. said:
I strongly recommended this mod, if you need good sound quality https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/soundmod-ainur-audio-t3450516
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Do you recommend the arkamys mod ?

Audio quality of Honor 8 pro ?

How is the Audio quality of Honor 8 pro via headphone jack ?
Nobody discuss it much

According to what I read on gsm arena, they said the quality isnt going to disappoint.

The quality is good, can't really compare to many other phones (not used their plug in much) but my last one, Sony Z2 (which had really good quality). I use the 8 Pro both with headphones and plugged into my car and the sound is good, proper bass and the volume goes much higher then you ever need. Also nice to have the jack on the bottom of the phone along with the speaker, because when you put it in your pocket, it will gather much less dirt when you usually put it "top first" in your pocket. This I noticed compared to my Z2

MrHuman said:
The quality is good, can't really compare to many other phones (not used their plug in much) but my last one, Sony Z2 (which had really good quality). I use the 8 Pro both with headphones and plugged into my car and the sound is good, proper bass and the volume goes much higher then you ever need. Also nice to have the jack on the bottom of the phone along with the speaker, because when you put it in your pocket, it will gather much less dirt when you usually put it "top first" in your pocket. This I noticed compared to my Z2
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How will it be via audio headphone jack using normal earphones having 16ohm impedance ? Please reply. Am in a great dilemma

ben cherian said:
How will it be via audio headphone jack using normal earphones having 16ohm impedance ? Please reply. Am in a great dilemma
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I can't really answer that question (don't know my headsets rating). My guess is that 16ohm will work just fine, isn't it a kinda standard rating?

MrHuman said:
I can't really answer that question (don't know my headsets rating). My guess is that 16ohm will work just fine, isn't it a kinda standard rating?
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Yes.....most of earphones are 16ohm... Am choosing between LG G6 Vs Honor 8 pro . All specs are ok for me. Just I worry about audio quality via headphone jack.
Or comparing to Sony Z2 how is it ?
What do you feel Sony Z2 Vs honor 8 pro audio quality ?

ben cherian said:
Yes.....most of earphones are 16ohm... Am choosing between LG G6 Vs Honor 8 pro . All specs are ok for me. Just I worry about audio quality via headphone jack.
Or comparing to Sony Z2 how is it ?
What do you feel Sony Z2 Vs honor 8 pro audio quality ?
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Don't worry, the quality is good with headphones, i.e Spotify with, best quality sound great. I also stresm it via BT to my 200€ speaker and there is nothing to complain about there either. The sound quality is definitely not something you need to worry about.

ben cherian said:
Yes.....most of earphones are 16ohm... Am choosing between LG G6 Vs Honor 8 pro . All specs are ok for me. Just I worry about audio quality via headphone jack.
Or comparing to Sony Z2 how is it ?
What do you feel Sony Z2 Vs honor 8 pro audio quality ?
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NO quality is not good. I had better output from Lenovo K3 note. This is the only disappointing thing about this phone.
Normal user won't notice it much but there is not that kind of punch from BASS that you would expect from a phone at this price point. To its defence I put it against my LAPTOP but i can clearly remember what K3 note would sound like with same songs and on the same earphones. The dynamic range is flat, I don't know how to define it.

Nikhilmaurya10 said:
NO quality is not good. I had better output from Lenovo K3 note. This is the only disappointing thing about this phone.
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Haha you just compared a Media centric phone to a cheap phone. Come on man . If u saying about the amount of bass in music... Bass is not all about music...

Anyway I am going to purchase a good set of earphones and will update the review

The quality is good. Don't know how someone can call it bad (faulty phone maybe?).
If you don't believe me, then here the review from Gsmarena.com: http://m.gsmarena.com/honor_8_pro-review-1604p8.php

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Haha you just compared a Media centric phone to a cheap phone. Come on man . If u saying about the amount of bass in music... Bass is not all about music...
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NO i am not saying that bass is everything, I was just being less technical. It's average at best. And lenovo K3 note being a cheap phone have a great audio output, specially with Chinese VibeUI (2.8??) on android 5.1.
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MrHuman said:
The quality is good. Don't know how someone can call it bad (faulty phone maybe?).
If you don't believe me, then here the review from Gsmarena.com: http://m.gsmarena.com/honor_8_pro-review-1604p8.php
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It's not bad(sorry if i said it before, i might have got carried away) but it's average. It could be possible to make it better if they provide some kind of equaliser with builtin DTS enhancement. From Review from GSMarena, i was hyped too after listing to it i was like meh...

Nikhilmaurya10 said:
NO i am not saying that bass is everything, I was just being less technical. It's average at best. And lenovo K3 note being a cheap phone have a great audio output, specially with Chinese VibeUI (2.8??) on android 5.1.
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It's not bad(sorry if i said it before, i might have got carried away) but it's average. It could be possible to make it better if they provide some kind of equaliser with builtin DTS enhancement. From Review from GSMarena, i was hyped too after listing to it i was like meh...
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Bro... We are talking about new honor 8 pro and yes it has dts option too.
Which earphones you used ? That's also a factor ?

ben cherian said:
Bro... We are talking about new honor 8 pro and yes it has dts option too.
Which earphones you used ? That's also a factor ?
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Yes I know we are talking about Honor 8 pro and don't mind which earphones I am using cause I used this same ear phones to compare with my laptop. It's (h8p) bass is mushy(if you can figure out what mushy is) while the output from laptop was punchy(again its my interpretation), while playing the same video on YouTube. After listing to it for a while I am satisfied with it.

Nikhilmaurya10 said:
Yes I know we are talking about Honor 8 pro and don't mind which earphones I am using cause I used this same ear phones to compare with my laptop. It's (h8p) bass is mushy(if you can figure out what mushy is) while the output from laptop was punchy(again its my interpretation), while playing the same video on YouTube. After listing to it for a while I am satisfied with it.
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Well, the earphones you use also play a role. It's not that just because your laptop can drive that particular set of earphones, so even your phone will.
Also, I don't know which DAC is there in the honor 8 pro and that does has much effect on audio quality too.
Sorry if I sound offensive. ?
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K.khiladi said:
Well, the earphones you use also play a role. It's not that just because your laptop can drive that particular set of earphones, so even your phone will.
Also, I don't know which DAC is there in the honor 8 pro and that does has much effect on audio quality too.
Sorry if I sound offensive.
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I know what you mean, and don't worry earphones are mi capsule so they could be easily driven by both.

I listen to music on the 8 Pro all the time and the audio quality is good. I don't use the Huawei earphones because I find them unconfortable but I suppose if you are into music you already know that there are much better earphones on the market.
The audio quality is comparable with the Sony Z Series and definitely better than the Honor 5x that I used for a few months.

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The quality is good. Don't know how someone can call it bad (faulty phone maybe?).
If you don't believe me, then here the review from Gsmarena.com: http://m.gsmarena.com/honor_8_pro-review-1604p8.php
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GSMArena audio quality reviews are nothing actually. They are all about numbers, don't tell anything about real performance. Infact the more flat and lifeless sound a phone has, better ratings it gets in GSMArena reviews.
I think one should look for PocketNow and head fi's dedicated Audio reviews for better idea.
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I listen to music on the 8 Pro all the time and the audio quality is good. I don't use the Huawei earphones because I find them unconfortable but I suppose if you are into music you already know that there are much better earphones on the market.
The audio quality is comparable with the Sony Z Series and definitely better than the Honor 5x that I used for a few months.
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Sony Z series is one of the quietest and dullest around in the market when Audio via 3.5mm jack is concerned. So comparison to that shows the lack in audio quality of Honor 8 Pro.
I saw PhoneArena's review. They checked out it's output, it just 0.43 volts. For comparison, OP3T has around 0.84 volts output, OP5 has 0.97 volts, iPhone is 1 volts, Lg V20 and Axon 7 are even higher than that.

Abhi Dahiya said:
GSMArena audio quality reviews are nothing actually. They are all about numbers, don't tell anything about real performance. Infact the more flat and lifeless sound a phone has, better ratings it gets in GSMArena reviews.
I think one should look for PocketNow and head fi's dedicated Audio reviews for better idea.
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Sony Z series is one of the quietest and dullest around in the market when Audio via 3.5mm jack is concerned. So comparison to that shows the lack in audio quality of Honor 8 Pro.
I saw PhoneArena's review. They checked out it's output, it just 0.43 volts. For comparison, OP3T has around 0.84 volts output, OP5 has 0.97 volts, iPhone is 1 volts, Lg V20 and Axon 7 are even higher than that.
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Hopefully, gonna receive my honor 8 pro and will update you about audio quality.
According to the ranjit (YouTube reviewer), Honor 8 pro has better audio quality than OP5.
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K.khiladi said:
Hopefully, gonna receive my honor 8 pro and will update you about audio quality.
According to the ranjit (YouTube reviewer), Honor 8 pro has better audio quality than OP5.
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Thanks man, waiting for it.
As for GeekyRanjit, have found his opinion regarding Sound Quality wrong in the past. According to him Redmi Note 3 has average Audio Quality, but i have it and audio quality is great. Warm and fun sound, punchy/tight bass, mids are great, treble is good too(no piercing), soundstage is pretty wide, output is more than enough (gets pretty loud at 60% vol) and i have Sony Mdr XB70 in ear headphones.
One has to enable Mi Sound Enhancer from settings to get great Audio in Xiaomi phones, after that i suspect their dedicated Amp section is activated. This setting is applicable systemwide in every application.
Have seen Honor 8 review on PocketNow, and they checked it's audio properly and weren't impressed, average at best. Afaik Honor 8 Pro readings are similar in audio, so not expecting much but anyways let's see.