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So what's the real deal with the HOX?

I'm on the Gnexus right now and I just ordered a hox that I will be picking up tonight but after all the research I've been doing on the forums I'm suddenly unsure if I should pull the trigger. I have a few questions I hope you guys don't mind answering based on your experiences.
1. Signal and reception - Is it really faulty or are there just some units that are bad and some that are worse? I have a friend who just picked up a brand new one and lost all her signal the next day. She tried switching to other sim cards but the phone's antenna is not pickign up anyhting.
2. Multi-tasking issue - Correct me if I'm wrong but this issue has already been resolved on custom roms right? So it should work perfectly?
3. Heating problems - Again, my friend picked up hers and it gets insanely hot when using it on apps like twitter and facebook. She hasn't even tried gaming yet! 44C on the processor
4. Screen Flickering issue - Has this also been addressed by HTC? I haven't seen anyone complaining about it anymore.
That's it! I've been itching to get back to HTC because my last three phones were all samsung.

Had mine for 2 weeks, HT24VW - Made in Taiwan
1. Signal and reception has been perfect might be first models.
2. Read somewhere the multitasking has been fixed with custom rom
3. Mine never gets hot, played 20 min of GTA3 and you would call it warm.
4. Screen Flickering - Havent seen any even at low battery.
Battery: heavy use i would get 3:30 on screen(using 3G all day no wifi). Medium use: i had once 4:45 but. Totally happy with the HOX gets me through one day easy and that's all it need to do, every night it goes on charge regardless if its 70% charge left or 10% charge.

Im picking up a unit with sh23 serial is that one good?

kingofthebraves said:
I'm on the Gnexus right now and I just ordered a hox that I will be picking up tonight but after all the research I've been doing on the forums I'm suddenly unsure if I should pull the trigger. I have a few questions I hope you guys don't mind answering based on your experiences.
1. Signal and reception - Is it really faulty or are there just some units that are bad and some that are worse? I have a friend who just picked up a brand new one and lost all her signal the next day. She tried switching to other sim cards but the phone's antenna is not pickign up anyhting.
2. Multi-tasking issue - Correct me if I'm wrong but this issue has already been resolved on custom roms right? So it should work perfectly?
3. Heating problems - Again, my friend picked up hers and it gets insanely hot when using it on apps like twitter and facebook. She hasn't even tried gaming yet! 44C on the processor
4. Screen Flickering issue - Has this also been addressed by HTC? I haven't seen anyone complaining about it anymore.
That's it! I've been itching to get back to HTC because my last three phones were all samsung.
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1. Better than Galaxy S2, Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus IMO. Except from Sensation, my Desire and One X performs the best in terms of signal(wifi, data) and reception. Infact, i have data drops the most on Galaxy Nexus cuz of 4.0.4 update(omg so frustrating!)
2. This is yeah a problem i think but 1.29 update kinda fix this, generally. after 1.29, i'm having the same experience as Gnex multitasking. well that is based on my usage.
3. Heating? hmm i got this in any smartphones i own these days except tablets. My SGS2 and Gnexus got hot the most cuz they are slim. But then, using twitter and facebook never gets hot in any of my smartphones. Just heavy browsing and gaming will increase the heat.
4. I dont have screen flickering but some says the custom kernels fix them so i think its not a hardware issue.
i have a sh24 models, and btw, sold my Gnexus for the sake of One X. I never regret it.

kingofthebraves said:
Im picking up a unit with sh23 serial is that one good?
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should be okay although 23 is quite an early model.
25+ are generally considered to be more fault free but then i have a HT23 and it's fine.
I should have added i came from a G Nexus and it's (the one x) is in a completely different league. The screen alone is just simply jaw dropping.

best phone and wifi signal i've ever had on my release day (UK) HOX
screen flicker was addressed in the 1.29.xxx.11 update and has been resolved

kingofthebraves said:
I'm on the Gnexus right now and I just ordered a hox that I will be picking up tonight but after all the research I've been doing on the forums I'm suddenly unsure if I should pull the trigger. I have a few questions I hope you guys don't mind answering based on your experiences.
1. Signal and reception - Is it really faulty or are there just some units that are bad and some that are worse? I have a friend who just picked up a brand new one and lost all her signal the next day. She tried switching to other sim cards but the phone's antenna is not pickign up anyhting.
2. Multi-tasking issue - Correct me if I'm wrong but this issue has already been resolved on custom roms right? So it should work perfectly?
3. Heating problems - Again, my friend picked up hers and it gets insanely hot when using it on apps like twitter and facebook. She hasn't even tried gaming yet! 44C on the processor
4. Screen Flickering issue - Has this also been addressed by HTC? I haven't seen anyone complaining about it anymore.
That's it! I've been itching to get back to HTC because my last three phones were all samsung.
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1. Signal and reception has been perfect since day one for me, I had a Galaxy Nexus before my One X and the reception is definitely on par (can't say whether it's better or not, never done a proper test).
2. Multi-tasking was never a real issue and was only more of a mild annoyance because it was set to be far too aggresive. This was allegedly fixed through OTA's and is definitely fixed in custom ROMs.
3. Overheating can be a problem when playing games but if you're rooted you can disable 2 of the CPU cores (4 is overkill) which drastically reduces the heat problem.
4. Can't really comment on this as only the minority of users have experienced it.
The screen on the One X will blow you away after the Galaxy Nexus, trust me!

This phone craps all over anything I've had, sure it's newer better faster but it's leap years ahead of my last phone, the HTC Velocity, and that came out only a few months beforehand.

Razr M my favorite Android phone so far..

I current have the DroidOG, Droid X, HTC Rezound, Note 2, SG3, SG4, and iPhone5 and the Razr M is my favorite so far but giving the SG4 some time to see what its all about.. It's much too familiar, SG3/4/Note2 all pretty much have the same feel. Before the phones listed i've had many other Droids, etc.
I love everything about the M, except for it's signal.. I never drop to 3g where I live on any of my 4g devices but this one manages to drop to 3g. I guess it has to do with antenna size/length but everything else this phone is perfect (for me).
I don't expect everybody to favor smaller phones but after owning larger Android phones I feel the Android experience in a iPhone sized package is "right" for me.
I hope Moto makes similarly sized, powerful phones in the future!
-Div

Diversion said:
I current have the DroidOG, Droid X, HTC Rezound, Note 2, SG3, SG4, and iPhone5 and the Razr M is my favorite so far but giving the SG4 some time to see what its all about.. It's much too familiar, SG3/4/Note2 all pretty much have the same feel. Before the phones listed i've had many other Droids, etc.
I love everything about the M, except for it's signal.. I never drop to 3g where I live on any of my 4g devices but this one manages to drop to 3g. I guess it has to do with antenna size/length but everything else this phone is perfect (for me).
I don't expect everybody to favor smaller phones but after owning larger Android phones I feel the Android experience in a iPhone sized package is "right" for me.
I hope Moto makes similarly sized, powerful phones in the future!
-Div
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Me too... I know Google is going to revamp Motorola to a large degree but i hope they still make small sleek versions of all of their lines like they did with the new RAZR line
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After configurating most of my apps i'm getting severe lag when typing.. Its not registering my typing until 1 second or so afterwards.. and sometimes going in and out of various apps that are already loaded in memory is pretty sluggish and laggy. Freshly RSD'd the latest 4.1.2 build.. So i'm not sure whats going on.

The M was my first smart phone, and thus, my first Android phone. I can't say it's my favorite because I have nothing to compare it to. However, I did choose it because of its size, build quality, and battery life. At the time, there wasn't much development and if I would have chosen purely off of development, I would have went wtih Samsung. However, the Sammie phones feel "cheap" to me. After playing with the S4, though, the graphics quality is 100x better than the M, but I don't really care.

RikRong said:
The M was my first smart phone, and thus, my first Android phone. I can't say it's my favorite because I have nothing to compare it to. However, I did choose it because of its size, build quality, and battery life. At the time, there wasn't much development and if I would have chosen purely off of development, I would have went wtih Samsung. However, the Sammie phones feel "cheap" to me. After playing with the S4, though, the graphics quality is 100x better than the M, but I don't really care.
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I suppose I could say that so far I like the RAZR M over other Android phones that I have had. To list I've had:
HTC Thunderbolt, Motorola Defy XT, DROID 2 Global, DROID X, and DROID RAZR M
I miss various features from all of them, but I think overall I prefer the one I have now being the RAZR M. I'm not sure what my next phone will be. My current contract isn't up until December 2014, unless I pay full price for my next phone.

Was my favorite phone until now because it won't boot
But I will say after using the droid incredible, it was quite a nice phone

Jason 907 said:
Was my favorite phone until now because it won't boot
But I will say after using the droid incredible, it was quite a nice phone
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Why can't you get your RAZR M to boot? Can you get it into fastboot mode and rsdlite it back to stock? :'(

I have to deduct more points from these three glaring problems (so far):
1) Long pauses (lag) when switching apps (even after they are loaded into memory). Things like Seeder don't seem to help at all (at low, medium or agressive profiles). Sometimes I'll be trying to type on the keyboard and it pauses for so long it shoots out a long sentence i just typed out.. Very annoying. Being this is the same hardware internally on the SG3 except 1gb less ram.. The SG3 had zero lag ever. Surprised Moto hasn't figured out what the hang up is here by now.
2) Charging the phone while Hotspot Tethering is active.. Mine will not charge, it says it's charging but it's unable to keep up a charge.. the battery still drains very fast while plugged in. This is using the built-in Hotspot, not third party app. This is important to me, my work sends me on business trips often and they pay for my phone bill but I can't rely on this phone to serve me internet while I do work. My SG3/Note2 will charge to 100% while tethering without a hitch. I've tried various wall-bricks.. Ranging from 1amp to 2amp to 5watts to 10watts.. none make any difference. It feels like the phone just heats up way too much during tethering and I bet the internal charging circuit just turns off as a protection.
3) LTE signal is bad compared to every other LTE phone i've had on Verizon.. My city is well blanketed in thick 4g LTE.. About 2 bars to Max bars almost everywhere you go on any other LTE device i've used. This one is 1 bar most of the time sometimes 3 max (rare).. And it seems the battery drains pretty quickly hunting for signals based on poor antenna reception.. But when using 3G, battery life seems much better.. Luckily 3g is usually more than enough speed for me.

Diversion said:
I have to deduct more points from these three glaring problems (so far):
1) Long pauses (lag) when switching apps (even after they are loaded into memory). Things like Seeder don't seem to help at all (at low, medium or agressive profiles). Sometimes I'll be trying to type on the keyboard and it pauses for so long it shoots out a long sentence i just typed out.. Very annoying. Being this is the same hardware internally on the SG3 except 1gb less ram.. The SG3 had zero lag ever. Surprised Moto hasn't figured out what the hang up is here by now.
2) Charging the phone while Hotspot Tethering is active.. Mine will not charge, it says it's charging but it's unable to keep up a charge.. the battery still drains very fast while plugged in. This is using the built-in Hotspot, not third party app. This is important to me, my work sends me on business trips often and they pay for my phone bill but I can't rely on this phone to serve me internet while I do work. My SG3/Note2 will charge to 100% while tethering without a hitch. I've tried various wall-bricks.. Ranging from 1amp to 2amp to 5watts to 10watts.. none make any difference. It feels like the phone just heats up way too much during tethering and I bet the internal charging circuit just turns off as a protection.
3) LTE signal is bad compared to every other LTE phone i've had on Verizon.. My city is well blanketed in thick 4g LTE.. About 2 bars to Max bars almost everywhere you go on any other LTE device i've used. This one is 1 bar most of the time sometimes 3 max (rare).. And it seems the battery drains pretty quickly hunting for signals based on poor antenna reception.. But when using 3G, battery life seems much better.. Luckily 3g is usually more than enough speed for me.
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I've also noticed that the Seeder program doesn't seem to help much. I've had lag with the keyboard too, especially waiting for it to pop up when I tap on a text field. It takes a second or even two. And the first few letters are laggy, but I'm using swiftkey. This phone does get hot when tethering, but I think I was able to charge my phone at same time.

motoroid7 said:
Why can't you get your RAZR M to boot? Can you get it into fastboot mode and rsdlite it back to stock? :'(
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I am going to try this tonight.. hope for the best

Jason 907 said:
I am going to try this tonight.. hope for the best
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Really hope you are able to fix it; If you didn't know, and I apologize is if you already knew this information
Power + Vol Up + Vol Down to get into Fastboot, then just use fastboot/adb binaries or rsdlite :}

Diversion said:
I have to deduct more points from these three glaring problems (so far):
1) Long pauses (lag) when switching apps (even after they are loaded into memory). Things like Seeder don't seem to help at all (at low, medium or agressive profiles). Sometimes I'll be trying to type on the keyboard and it pauses for so long it shoots out a long sentence i just typed out.. Very annoying. Being this is the same hardware internally on the SG3 except 1gb less ram.. The SG3 had zero lag ever. Surprised Moto hasn't figured out what the hang up is here by now.
2) Charging the phone while Hotspot Tethering is active.. Mine will not charge, it says it's charging but it's unable to keep up a charge.. the battery still drains very fast while plugged in. This is using the built-in Hotspot, not third party app. This is important to me, my work sends me on business trips often and they pay for my phone bill but I can't rely on this phone to serve me internet while I do work. My SG3/Note2 will charge to 100% while tethering without a hitch. I've tried various wall-bricks.. Ranging from 1amp to 2amp to 5watts to 10watts.. none make any difference. It feels like the phone just heats up way too much during tethering and I bet the internal charging circuit just turns off as a protection.
3) LTE signal is bad compared to every other LTE phone i've had on Verizon.. My city is well blanketed in thick 4g LTE.. About 2 bars to Max bars almost everywhere you go on any other LTE device i've used. This one is 1 bar most of the time sometimes 3 max (rare).. And it seems the battery drains pretty quickly hunting for signals based on poor antenna reception.. But when using 3G, battery life seems much better.. Luckily 3g is usually more than enough speed for me.
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Yeah, moto did a crappy job on the launcher. It looks great and has good functionality, but it's laggy as crap. I'm getting no lag at all on CM 10.1, and it seems to be nicer on the battery.
The tethering situation sounds odd... I would say check your charger but it appears you've done that. I can tether and charge happily, so it seems like there's something up with the device. Doesn't make sense at all because I'm in an awful coverage area and I tether fine on 1-2 bars 3g and even 1x
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sloosecannon said:
Yeah, moto did a crappy job on the launcher. It looks great and has good functionality, but it's laggy as crap.
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Is this not true with most oem launchers? I can't recall a phone I've not switched to either ADW (a few years ago) or Apex, nowdays.
I've owned a Incredible 2, Droid X2, Razr, Galaxy S3, and currently a Razr M. What drove me away from the phones before the Razr M was a mix of A) the stock software being terrible, and B) homebrew support missing or terribly buggy. Lets be honest - 3rd party roms don't live up to stock roms in terms of stability. What you may gain in customizability in roms like Cyanogen or AOKP, you lose in stability or even battery life. I'm sure many of you will disagree, but that's my opinion.
Anyway, as for the Razr M - it's one of the few phones that I think has an acceptable build quality. METAL for the casing, the only better-built hardware than that is an iPhone 4 or 5. The 'kevlar' back is a gimmick and the gorilla glass or whatever screen is standard now but I can't complain.
Hopefully if Google changes the look of Moto's phones, they'll stick with a similar build.
That being said, I do have a few issues with my M - Sometimes it wants to stay on 3G in an area I have decent (although weak) 4G service and I need to toggle airplane mode to get it on 4G. And the plastic bit around the headphone port fell out.

All I'm gonna say is sometimes I effing hate this phone and other times I'm freaking pumped about its strength. Its like that hoop-d Honda you won't admit is yours but when you are driving you feel like its a Ferrari.
I was so bummed to go from the g-nex to this when I saw the dev on it, but now I have been feeling motivated to learn to dev myself for it! I love this device through and through... It has taken the biggest beating thus far, and I have beat up some phones...
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Coming from a Nexus family of phones.... and S2- S3, I'd have to say this phone is a piece of garbage lol...
Dual core krait like S3 but less pixels to run?? WHY IS THERE LAG?? HTC one S does not have lag and they have the same processor. Same with american HTC one X....
poor software poor software... have to stick with CM10 which gives me horrible battery life on GSM...
... oh and sometimes in orer for my phone to charge ( including wall outlet), i have to reboot the device...
very frustrating.
Time to get the asus padfone or something fun again
EDIT : Bunch of new roms past few days... lets see what we can do!

stealthj said:
Coming from a Nexus family of phones.... and S2- S3, I'd have to say this phone is a piece of garbage lol...
Dual core krait like S3 but less pixels to run?? WHY IS THERE LAG?? HTC one S does not have lag and they have the same processor. Same with american HTC one X....
poor software poor software... have to stick with CM10 which gives me horrible battery life on GSM...
... oh and sometimes in orer for my phone to charge ( including wall outlet), i have to reboot the device...
very frustrating.
Time to get the asus padfone or something fun again
EDIT : Bunch of new roms past few days... lets see what we can do!
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Never experienced lag on stock once you replace Moto's garbage launcher. Install Nova or Apex and give it another try.
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Leraeniesh said:
Never experienced lag on stock once you replace Moto's garbage launcher. Install Nova or Apex and give it another try.
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I did, the lag was systemwide. including the keyboard...swype...
But its not that bad, i may have exaggerated a bit

stealthj said:
I did, the lag was systemwide. including the keyboard...swype...
But its not that bad, i may have exaggerated a bit
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I dunno... my lag is pretty bad. I tried CM 10.1 last night, and it's stupid fast. The only problem is that for some reason my cell signal dropped significantly with CM vs Stock.

dingurt said:
I dunno... my lag is pretty bad. I tried CM 10.1 last night, and it's stupid fast. The only problem is that for some reason my cell signal dropped significantly with CM vs Stock.
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Those are just the signal bars. The actual signal is the same.
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Hmm... I'll check that again then.

[Q] T-Mobile HTC M8 Data Connectivity Issues.

I noticed that I have to reset the phone allot. If I am in an area with no reception for a while then go back to an area with reception it wont automatically reconnect and the LTE stays off sometimes. I have to reboot the phone.
The same problem is with signal strength too, it will not reconnect automatically sometimes. My 4G LTE does this allot. It does become annoying. I am afraid to get another phone in fear it will be worse then this one. I already had to exchange my phone and am running out of exchange days. (14 day period)
My first M8 I got on June 30 was slow, incredibly laggy and very buggy to the point it was nearly unusable. That first M8 had a mind of it's own. Maybe it was the first gen, I do not know. This replacement phone has been good to me minus the fact it sometimes drops calls and gets SUPER warm RANDOMLY even when ALL the apps are closed. The new phone is MUCH faster with the same settings and runs much smoother.
These connection issues are bugging the hell out of me, my iPhone never had this problem and would always reconnect fast. I do not like the S5 and I like the HTC but I do wonder about it's quality control and the quality of the internal components inside.
I hope its not hardware. I hope an update fixes the issue I'm constantly restarting.

AnimalMotherASF said:
I noticed that I have to reset the phone allot. If I am in an area with no reception for a while then go back to an area with reception it wont automatically reconnect and the LTE stays off sometimes. I have to reboot the phone.
The same problem is with signal strength too, it will not reconnect automatically sometimes. My 4G LTE does this allot. It does become annoying. I am afraid to get another phone in fear it will be worse then this one. I already had to exchange my phone and am running out of exchange days. (14 day period)
My first M8 I got on June 30 was slow, incredibly laggy and very buggy to the point it was nearly unusable. That first M8 had a mind of it's own. Maybe it was the first gen, I do not know. This replacement phone has been good to me minus the fact it sometimes drops calls and gets SUPER warm RANDOMLY even when ALL the apps are closed. The new phone is MUCH faster with the same settings and runs much smoother.
These connection issues are bugging the hell out of me, my iPhone never had this problem and would always reconnect fast. I do not like the S5 and I like the HTC but I do wonder about it's quality control and the quality of the internal components inside.
I hope its not hardware. I hope an update fixes the issue I'm constantly restarting.
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good day - i have not had any of these issues with the m8 at all. has been snappy since day one. i have had little to no connectivity issues either. i have gone from way out in the country back into coverage, 2g snaps on immediately, then 3g, then closer to the city, 4g. my wife and i have a family plan and both devices switch within seconds of each other. different phone, she has the g2 but zero connectivity issues there too. we are in northern IL / Chicago market so it might be different. might be a dud phone? i do not think it has to do with hardware quality though. i went from an htc incredible that i had to replace a speaker in after 10 months but had no other issues with, to an incredible 2 that i had 0 issues with, to a S3 that was awesome, to a note 3 that was great, to the m8 which has been wonderful. my wife went from a blackberry that was crazy solid, to a S4 that was total CRAP, to the G2 which is amazing. if you can i would try and get a new one?
g/l

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good day - i have not had any of these issues with the m8 at all. has been snappy since day one. i have had little to no connectivity issues either. i have gone from way out in the country back into coverage, 2g snaps on immediately, then 3g, then closer to the city, 4g. my wife and i have a family plan and both devices switch within seconds of each other. different phone, she has the g2 but zero connectivity issues there too. we are in northern IL / Chicago market so it might be different. might be a dud phone? i do not think it has to do with hardware quality though. i went from an htc incredible that i had to replace a speaker in after 10 months but had no other issues with, to an incredible 2 that i had 0 issues with, to a S3 that was awesome, to a note 3 that was great, to the m8 which has been wonderful. my wife went from a blackberry that was crazy solid, to a S4 that was total CRAP, to the G2 which is amazing. if you can i would try and get a new one?
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Hey, thank you for the response.
I went to T-Mobile today and they Factory Reset my phone.
I left to mobile and they told me to come back within 24 hours there is a failure
I ended up having a buggy phone with artifacts and flashes similar to an overclocked GPU. T-Mobile told me it might fix the phone.
Tomorrow, I am going back for my 2nd replacement. I like this phone, it works much better then my first phone but the connection problems are extreme and it starting to feel like faulty hardware. My first phone was full of lag, it was factory reset and lagged on the machine as well. The machine(a laptop) even had to be restarted.

Some guy had same issue and replacing sim card fix it. You should give it a try
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I read (in the note 3 forums i think) that data dropouts were an inherent problem in android 4.4.2, and the code was fixed in version 4.4.3. Don't know if it applies to this phone as well, but if its an android system problem it could be.

This problem is really annoying happens too often.
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Yeah it's happening more often that I would like but it's not a daily thing

GN4 Wifi Dropouts, Camera Lag

I believe im having some software/driver errors (using NJ5 Retail) I don't think these are hardware errors as we both got our phones as different places and different times and it would be strange to have the same issues. I believe its a Note 4 problem.
1. Both my wifes and my Note 4 phone's seem to be having WiFi dropouts (not at the same time) ... its not a issue with any of our other WiFi devices and my daughters S5. I did wonder if it was our router (Netgear R6300v2) but its rock solid. So I tested it at local wifi and ran some heavy data and surely enough intermittently it "locks" up. So far haven't seen any issues with 4G LTE, but then again we tend to avoid heavy data usage on that.
2. Also on both of our phones Intermittently the camera will lag really bad as well, its as if im running a million apps and have no memory. Yet I have over almost 900MB of free ram and 20gigs of free space. I also have confirmed I have no apps running and so far the only fix is to reboot the phone which is a rather inconvenience when im looking to get a picture at the time it happens.
I haven't yet tried another camera app to see if the same thing happens. Which I do enjoy Google's camera app and had that on my old Note II, however again I am wondering as to why this is taking place.
A few other things noted the phone this has happened while the phone is unplugged, heat doesn't seem to be a issue atleast for the battery which sits around 30c for wife's and 26c for my mine most of the time (according to cpuz)
So is this something to wait on Lollipop for to maybe be fixed or is this possibly a real hardware issue.

We used to get dropouts too, I recently switched my router to Wireless N only and now all phones and devices get a steady 90 Mbps up and down in our house on a Verizon FIOS 75/75 plan. I've always had dropouts on phones and am surprised that Wireless N made such a difference. Still using the same 2.4ghz frequency that we did on the G network, just zero interference to cause dropouts now.

Update after more issues .. I took it back to the store and we fiddled (the store had a tech who was geeky and it was great) and sure enough we discovered how to duplicate the problem. Also after testing a few other phones it seemed to only happen with ours .. so we wondered if it had to do with our failure of Sandisk cards but who knows (which we are doing a RMA on them).
What happens is under CPU-Z (play store) we noticed even under heavy use only 1-2 cores were being used. It would never use all 4. So we tried gaming and running hard games and background things and sure enough stuff would lag real bad which then would lock up the internet and camera. Then we tried Antutu and it locked up, and score was terrible. It was then we decided the phones had bad cores in it. So Wife exchanged her's and I refunded mine and ordered a developer one .. as ive been waiting over a month for and should have stayed waiting. As for what started it all. We had a batch of the Sandisk Ultras that kept failing however I dont see how that could have been the cause. The sandisk error I guess is very common as soon as I mentioned it they knew all about it and their forums are flooded with posts about it.
So if anyone has these issues test your cores.

Matttrix said:
Update after more issues .. I took it back to the store and we fiddled (the store had a tech who was geeky and it was great) and sure enough we discovered how to duplicate the problem. Also after testing a few other phones it seemed to only happen with ours .. so we wondered if it had to do with our failure of Sandisk cards but who knows (which we are doing a RMA on them).
What happens is under CPU-Z (play store) we noticed even under heavy use only 1-2 cores were being used. It would never use all 4. So we tried gaming and running hard games and background things and sure enough stuff would lag real bad which then would lock up the internet and camera. Then we tried Antutu and it locked up, and score was terrible. It was then we decided the phones had bad cores in it. So Wife exchanged her's and I refunded mine and ordered a developer one .. as ive been waiting over a month for and should have stayed waiting. As for what started it all. We had a batch of the Sandisk Ultras that kept failing however I dont see how that could have been the cause. The sandisk error I guess is very common as soon as I mentioned it they knew all about it and their forums are flooded with posts about it.
So if anyone has these issues test your cores.
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This is interesting o: How would one go about doing this? *-*

Is March Update out ?

Updates usually come on 5th of each month(-ish),
We currently need an update urgently;
focus in camera, battery life , call quality, dt2w, and several other known bugs need to be fixed, I really hope there's a March update that's released this week. If it exists and is out in your region, which country are you in? and do you notice anything different about the system?
PS: Devs pls enable Camera 2 API, thank u.

wynix black said:
Updates usually come on 5th of each month(-ish)
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Pixels usually get em on the 5th each month, Android One devices get them some days later, usually around the 14th or even at the end of month.
Camera 2 API probably will never be enabled by Xiaomi, they want to sell their higher priced models which have enabled it by default. And it's
a matter of seconds to enable it by yourself with root/temporary root.
btw: Battery life is excellent on my side, same like with Oreo. 3-4 days per charge with around 8-9h SOT.

Mid-March as usually like in Feb Patch.

Update is out ,I haven't received it yet, let's hope it fix some issues, mostly the battery drain, 9 hours with oteo and 5 with pie for me...

Due to the low cost of this phone, I have absolutely no expectations that:
1. Updates will arrive on time, even though it's an Android One phone.
2. Bugs that aren't critical to its daily usage will get fixed, even small annoyances.
3. Any non-critical visual fixes will be done.
4. Anything beneficial from 8.1 will come back.
I'm not mad either, this has been a great phone, especially for $159. It punches way above its price point. Now with my Sony a6500 I can just connect to its hotspot anywhere and download RAW images that blow the Pixel 3 out of the water.
Anyway, no update on west coast USA as of 07:44AM.

hey buddies, is it normal that in my a 2 lite after 5 months battery life after 4 hours SoT he has capacity 38% ? i'm bit worried that's why i'm asking

It's fault of Android Pie, if you rollback to Oreo you will have 9 hours SoT again, but for me some Bluetooth devices are not working properly..

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It's fault of Android Pie, if you rollback to Oreo you will have 9 hours SoT again, but for me some Bluetooth devices are not working properly..
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I get 10-11hr SOT with the latest Pie update. It's not the fault of Pie.

I am convinced that there are various hardware revisions of this phone, in this sub forum there are hundreds of different experiences about practically every aspect.

gufone said:
I am convinced that there are various hardware revisions of this phone, in this sub forum there are hundreds of different experiences about practically every aspect.
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I wonder if it's people who have modified their phones in a root/bootloader at all? Mine is 100% stock, haven't tried anything regarding rooting, bootloaders, nothing at all.

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I wonder if it's people who have modified their phones in a root/bootloader at all? Mine is 100% stock, haven't tried anything regarding rooting, bootloaders, nothing at all.
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i used to root/ unlock / modify every phone i had since 2008, with this one i leaved everything to stock to avoid problems, and i'm having a user experience totally different from yours, and i'm not the only one! you are a lucky guy, i've nothing else to say.
If this update isn't gonna fix the problems i've encountered i'm gonna sell it, even underpriced.

gufone said:
i used to root/ unlock / modify every phone i had since 2008, with this one i leaved everything to stock to avoid problems, and i'm having a user experience totally different from yours, and i'm not the only one! you are a lucky guy, i've nothing else to say.
If this update isn't gonna fix the problems i've encountered i'm gonna sell it, even underpriced.
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Do you play games on your phone throughout the day? Are you using heavy animations with a launcher? Do you use social media apps on your phone?
I watch YouTube, use Signal, Slack, Firefox for Reddit & Twitter and average 10-11hr SOT. No social media apps otherwise. Not a gamer really and nothing I do takes major resources. Pokemon Go is the most resource heavy thing I do and if I keep that on I can go 5-6 hours SOT, though I don't play often especially during colder seasons in the northern hemisphere.
I really wish VoLTE & WiFi calling worked, otherwise this phone has taken over my Pixel without any real downsides except USB-C and Band 12. Camera is beyond acceptable for $179, though now I personally just carry around my Sony A6500 and link it in seconds to transfer way higher quality pictures between. I know that's not possible for a lot of people, but the stock camera is very acceptable.
I have another one sitting in my desk brand new I might turn into a development phone.
Let me know if you sell it, I might be interested.
Still no March update in USA.

I play Candy crush maybe 30 minutes a day, and I don't have social apps installed. I'm embittered because I'm using the phone the same way I did since I bought it, after the pie update my SoT was reduced by 30%, and I can confirm it because I tried a rollback to Oreo that solved this issue (and the one with some aes protected wifi), but I had problems with Bluetooth.