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I guess what I mean to say I am sick of all these problems, with both stock and cooked roms, I just want a phone that works smoothly.
What I wouldn't give for ANY ROM that is reliable.
I have tried ROM after ROM, and I still have not found even one that is truly reliable. The stock ROMs, or ones close to stock are maybe better but not OK.
I am so sick of the slow HTC messenging client (I have tried the fix to disable it, but that doesn't work)
Even the regular windows messenging freezes.
In fact the phone seems to have a lot of fun freezing up all the time. It usually unfreezes after a while, but why would I want a phone that I have to wait 5 minutes for before I can do anything?
All I want is 1 reliable ROM. It doesn't have to be lightning fast, just something that doesn't waste my time.
It would also be nice to have something with a bit of cool graphics in it too, but that is not important.
I have read online about a lot of people having the same problems. Why can't we seem to fix this? I have a lot of faith in Xda-developers, so I know this can be done.
try cooking your own then maybe you'll see how hard it is to make a reliable rom. :|
Yeah, I don't mean to give any offense to the chefs, as I thank them for their effort, but I think the problem is deeper than that.
I just want to know what I can do? Or maybe how can I help to discover the root cause of these problems?
you know...i dont think its the ROMs...
honestly i think it's because the stuff that's on the phone (whether its a stock ROM or a cooked one)
it NEEDS more memory...
thats what i think at least...
well how can one build a ROM that is snappy and reliable?
Its not the RAM, its the Qualcrap MSM7200 processor. Same processor for 3 generations. Thats why.
Check my signature & words of Gandhi Ji, you will understand why we fail. Our greed always outgrows our technological developments & what we are left with in the end is nothing but frustration.
To be specific have shipped ROM & attain the nirvana.
Kind of same feelings here. I have been using modified ROMS and now I realized that some of my text messages don't go through to people. This is kind of bad because I already fired one person from our company because there was misunderstanding cause she never received the message but I didn't believe her cause I got confirmation from the operator that she got the msg
and JUST now the phone just suddenly went blank and now it says that has to reset the device completely. I didn't even touch the phone I just noticed that it had lost the wallpaper suddenly and then tried to reinstall the wallpaper didn't work. Then reset and the phone didn't get on anymore
Luckily after some waiting the screen came and said I can reset the device. Now has to reinstall everything again. Fuuuuck. Would have other things to do than this..
phony said:
I am so sick of the slow HTC messenging client (I have tried the fix to disable it, but that doesn't work)
Even the regular windows messenging freezes.
In fact the phone seems to have a lot of fun freezing up all the time. It usually unfreezes after a while, but why would I want a phone that I have to wait 5 minutes for before I can do anything?
All I want is 1 reliable ROM. It doesn't have to be lightning fast, just something that doesn't waste my time.
It would also be nice to have something with a bit of cool graphics in it too, but that is not important.
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have u tried my rom. i think i got them all covered
let me know here y it wouldn foot ur bill
cheers
Maybe we should start a quest to find that one ultimate ROM that makes this thing into a phone we can rely on.
I bought this phone because I use all of it's features heavily, I text and email and call and view documents, and surf the web and listen to music and watch videos and more constantly on this thing.
For it to be unreliable negates all the good functions it has.
How about we all work on finding/testing one ROM that is priority #1 Reliable?
phony said:
Maybe we should start a quest to find that one ultimate ROM that makes this thing into a phone we can rely on.
I bought this phone because I use all of it's features heavily, I text and email and call and view documents, and surf the web and listen to music and watch videos and more constantly on this thing.
For it to be unreliable negates all the good functions it has.
How about we all work on finding/testing one ROM that is priority #1 Reliable?
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lol...seems kind of a self defeating goal. Can there be anything such as the one perfect Rom when we each have our individual preferences and priorities? Also, we have to factor in the reality that the networks themselves are not reliable. So, if ATnT or Verizon drops calls and text messages, can we really say it is the Rom that is unreliable?
agent_47 said:
have u tried my rom. i think i got them all covered
let me know here y it wouldn foot ur bill
cheers
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hehe, wonderful suggestion... but... this is the ROM I currently use and it has all the same sort of problems.
I really appreciate the ROM though, thank you for making it.
mcfarlan said:
lol...seems kind of a self defeating goal. Can there be anything such as the one perfect Rom when we each have our individual preferences and priorities? Also, we have to factor in the reality that the networks themselves are not reliable. So, if ATnT or Verizon drops calls and text messages, can we really say it is the Rom that is unreliable?
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I was thinking of making one that can be the basis ROM from which all others are birthed. Or at least find what formula or tricks we could apply to make the ROMs better?
lawlz. Good Luck finding the 100% perfect rom.
If you look at each rom's thread, each new rom they release more likely has a new OS build. Then each new build has their own issues, either from previous version or new issue entirely.
IF the rom the chefs release is just plain unusable, they normally release a FIXED rom with the same build.
Known issues are just that, chefs normally don't fix them because they just can't. So hoping for a new build of the software might fix it.
Each of the roms' issues can be fixed with patches, there are general patches that can be found all over or a patch by the chef when they sometimes forget to fix an issue unique to their rom.
From what i've been noticing, no chefs has cooked up the same rom more than 5 times to fix some issues until it is 100% perfect. By the time they do that, there's a new build of the software and they'll be cooking that instead. Not only just the OS build, they'll also add/remove some programs, change programs to newer versions.
All of these combined will introduce new issues.
Then the cycle continues...
There's about 20 or more Rom selection out there that you can choose from. There's gotta be one that is close to your preferences.
A rom that is deemed 100% reliable to others may not be the same to you.
corepda said:
Check my signature & words of Gandhi Ji, you will understand why we fail. Our greed always outgrows our technological developments & what we are left with in the end is nothing but frustration.
To be specific have shipped ROM & attain the nirvana.
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Well the shipped 6.5 ROM on the Tilt2 seems to have the same freezing problem according to countless reviews on the web.
f1ip said:
A rom that is deemed 100% reliable to others may not be the same to you.
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Perhaps then we should deem what is reliable. Firstly, 100%, I know, is too much to ask for, but I want as close as I can get.
So reliability to me means: I can use the phone as it was meant to be used.
This means: no freezing, no need to reset constantly, when someone calls me I can see the caller ID, etc
Simple and easy.
Now is that too much to ask for?
phony said:
hehe, wonderful suggestion... but... this is the ROM I currently use and it has all the same sort of problems.
I really appreciate the ROM though, thank you for making it.
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really???
phony said:
1.I am so sick of the slow HTC messenging client (I have tried the fix to disable it, but that doesn't work)
2.Even the regular windows messenging freezes.
3.In fact the phone seems to have a lot of fun freezing up all the time. It usually unfreezes after a while, but why would I want a phone that I have to wait 5 minutes for before I can do anything?
4.It doesn't have to be lightning fast, just something that doesn't waste my time.
5.It would also be nice to have something with a bit of cool graphics in it too, but that is not important.
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1.i don have HTC clent cooked in to begin with.
2.source of sms hanging is the showcase suite, which is not cooked in
3.well i don share that with u
4.hmmm...let me think
5.hmmm...let me think
sorry i tried helping u out but i don think u are on my rom coz then u would know that leo sms client is not cooked in. nor is showcase suite
thnx for ur input though
Well there are Roms that are really reliable and very fast. I'm using the same custom ROM for a long time now... I never had to reset, no freezing. It just works.
It's more stable then stock even. Just search in the first 3 pages of the rom thread for the touch x roms.
So no it's not to much to ask. I think this thread should be closed because it's only about whining. Nothing constructive.
EDIT: and that's not the only ROM that is stable. And let me remind you that al cooks are doing it for fun and free willing. As end user you can't complain. You have no right. Asking and making requests is fine, but I'm getting sick of people saying nobody is listening or will respond on questions asked multiple times and awnsered multiple times. The same is for people screaming other people don't make them what they want while they have to knowledge about the subject at all.
This is not ment offensive in any way to anyone.
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Well there are Roms that are really reliable and very fast. I'm using the same custom ROM for a long time now... I never had to reset, no freezing. It just works.
It's more stable then stock even. Just search in the first 3 pages of the rom thread for the touch x roms.
So no it's not to much to ask. I think this thread should be closed because it's only about whining. Nothing constructive.
EDIT: and that's not the only ROM that is stable. And let me remind you that al cooks are doing it for fun and free willing. As end user you can't complain. You have no right. Asking and making requests is fine, but I'm getting sick of people saying nobody is listening or will respond on questions asked multiple times and awnsered multiple times. The same is for people screaming other people don't make them what they want while they have to knowledge about the subject at all.
This is not ment offensive in any way to anyone.
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Well, as I said in the first few post, it is not the fault of the chefs, and I appreciate greatly all their efforts. I never complained about the chefs and their ROMS, it is the system itself. Perhaps I am asking Windows Mobile to be better.
It think it boils down to Microsoft building a system that is not up to par, then HTC trying to hack on their software which creates a system that is is inherently flawed.
I fully support and am grateful for all the custom ROMs out there. At least it gives us more interesting choices.
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Kind of same feelings here. I have been using modified ROMS and now I realized that some of my text messages don't go through to people. This is kind of bad because I already fired one person from our company because there was misunderstanding cause she never received the message but I didn't believe her cause I got confirmation from the operator that she got the msg
and JUST now the phone just suddenly went blank and now it says that has to reset the device completely. I didn't even touch the phone I just noticed that it had lost the wallpaper suddenly and then tried to reinstall the wallpaper didn't work. Then reset and the phone didn't get on anymore
Luckily after some waiting the screen came and said I can reset the device. Now has to reinstall everything again. Fuuuuck. Would have other things to do than this..
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Wow dude you honestly owe her an apology. You sound like a total douche for ****ing up your phone and firing someone for it.
I'm just saying man, the rest of her life she's going to remember you as a douche for your own mistake.
I installed eclipse 4.1.1, it has superuser in it. Tibu works, but when I try to use trickster mod, it says I don't have root access. I used root checker, and sure enough it says I don't have root access on my phone. What's going on with that? What can I do?
I'm not sure of the technicalities causing your issues.
But I can recommend flashing SuperSU in ClockworkMod after installing TricksterMod. Also make a backup beforehand.
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Just tried that, didn't work. I don't understand how I don't have root access but one app that required it works and another doesn't.
tried to re-root the phone using the nexus toolkit, no go either. tibu still works but not trickster.
dont use a toolkit. srsly, since you dont know what the hell you're doing.
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Thanks, that was real helpful.
Try updating the su binaries from super su app... That's worked for me before. If that doesn't work try flashing an updated rom since they all have su built in.
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Tried that too.ended up going to baked black bean ROM.thanks for the input.
bk201doesntexist said:
dont use a toolkit. srsly, since you dont know what the hell you're doing.
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There's no need to be rude to him. We've all been new at this at some point.
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Thank warner. I don't know why some people think if you own a certain phone you should know right away how to do everything the "right" way. If you shouldn't use the toolkit, then take it off the forum. Otherwise people are going to use it like me.
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Thank warner. I don't know why some people think if you own a certain phone you should know right away how to do everything the "right" way. If you shouldn't use the toolkit, then take it off the forum. Otherwise people are going to use it like me.
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just because you find a tool on the table doesn't mean you should take an engine apart without any knowledge before hand.
Some things to search before rooting:
1. What does "root" mean and what does it change?
2. Why do I 'need' root?
3. Differences between soft and hard bricks and how to recover from them.
4. What is and how to use ADB.
5. an extra but, if you were to make this phone unrecoverable or unusable for a degree of time, is this a possibility you can accept? (i ask this because ive worked with those that brick their phone they use for work and then they rush through trying to fix it and make it worse).
We aren't trying to be mean or chase away new users, it's always a great thing when people learn to use their phones. The only thing that can cause bitterness is when users buy a phone and come home and root it because they heard thats what you do with android phones and how to get cool stuff or free apps. Im not saying that is you, likely it isn't from what i've read.
Bottom line, read and learn as much as you can because there is no such thing as too much knowledge. There is nothing more satisfying than figuring out the problem yourself and fixing it instead of 'calling tech support for help' on xda.
I do understand what you're saying. I'm not trying to come off as cocky or I know it all but I have been doing these things with android for a while and do understand how some things work and how to do them. This whole unlocked phone is new to me, and I've never been completely comfortable or able to use fast boot methods which I know is the right way to do most things. I try to learn things about these phones on a daily basis which is why I ask questions and try new things all the time. I appreciate what you have said and am trying to learn how to do things properly, this is just new to me and I appreciate people who have patience to help people like me out.
Darunion said:
just because you find a tool on the table doesn't mean you should take an engine apart without any knowledge before hand.
Some things to search before rooting:
1. What does "root" mean and what does it change?
2. Why do I 'need' root?
3. Differences between soft and hard bricks and how to recover from them.
4. What is and how to use ADB.
5. an extra but, if you were to make this phone unrecoverable or unusable for a degree of time, is this a possibility you can accept? (i ask this because ive worked with those that brick their phone they use for work and then they rush through trying to fix it and make it worse).
We aren't trying to be mean or chase away new users, it's always a great thing when people learn to use their phones. The only thing that can cause bitterness is when users buy a phone and come home and root it because they heard thats what you do with android phones and how to get cool stuff or free apps. Im not saying that is you, likely it isn't from what i've read.
Bottom line, read and learn as much as you can because there is no such thing as too much knowledge. There is nothing more satisfying than figuring out the problem yourself and fixing it instead of 'calling tech support for help' on xda.
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I do agree that learning as much as we can and being able to fix a problem ourselves without asking for help is extremely satisfying. At the same time though this is the q&a forum and he did try to fix the problem himself through the use of a toolkit, which I agree cuts out a lot of the learning that can be achieved through using fastboot and adb. I think in this forum especially it is better to try to help and make constructive comments than to be rude and post a reply that doesn't help and could possibly chase off a newcomer to modding their device. I appreciate your comment though trying to explain the benefits of learning yourself in a respectful way.
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Exactly. I'm not asking anyone to come to my house and fix my phone. But it helps when someone explains what I'm doing wrong and how I can fix my errors in what I'm doing. Thanks for your help everyone who did but I'm going to move on and learn from this experience.
Yes it's a Q&A, but this is a question that asked a lot.
A little bit of reading tell you how to use the forum properly, and you probably find the answer already solved.
Toolkits have there place & for newbies i guess it's the fastest way to get it done, but if you read through the Q's you will find most rooting issues are related to the use of toolkits. Great if they work, but as soon as there is an issue, users are left in the situation you are in now.
efrant & jubakuba have guides in the Q&A section on unlocking, rooting and installing roms with the use of fastboot/adb, all the commands are given.
Good luck
If root is not working as it should, just re-flash the superuser package again. See here.
It's likely an issue with out-dated files or with permissions.
if you use a toolkit, you're on your own - since neither you or us know what happened. it's your fault, for rushing things.
google won't help you either. that's why we say things like that.
Ok, got it. Thanks. Bye.
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Ok, got it. Thanks. Bye.
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Hey I'm a seasoned user here and I'm having the exact same problem with Trickster Mod... you fanboys need to kick it back a notch and try to help someone once in awhile.
Thanks for the info. For now I moved on to Epic V5, maybe when Nitro comes out with the 16 update I'll try it again, cause I really do like that dark eclipse Rom.
SuperSU on TW ROMs running 4.3 (regardless of version, source of version and how you got it) is frustrating. Apps that need root do sometimes able to get root access, and most often than not wont' be able to.
YES !!! I have done more of my share of reading. And please do NOT treat users with less than 10 posts like idiots.
*** The only solution is to change between Default Access modes. Going from grant, to prompt. Doing so for some strange reasons wakes up SuperSU***
The following solutions DO NOT WORK (meaning the problem resists)
1. Flash Antenna (regardless of which, even with the one provided by OP on their threads)
2. Flash insecure kernel zip
3. Download the version form Play and Update
Hope this help any of you that are experiencing some crazy frustrations like me.
*** Not to offend anyone, but the rule of 10 post or less = No reply/post on dev. forum is beyond me ***
*** I have tried to report my experience with certain ROMs, but Nooooooooooo.... <10 amigo ***
--- One more, since I think I am going be booted because of offending Seniors Party Members. ---
Can anyone tell me the logic of formatting a partition 3 times ??? I found this ridiculously offending being an engineer myself.
I do appreciate every single one of the developers who spends countless hours to make the word "FREE" as free as possible.
@mrbackdoor
Whoa Cool down Bro. Take a deep breath. Now tell me what precise are your problems ? I got the part with SuperSU making you go Ape. But what's with Roms and 10 Wipes ? I have no Idea what you are getting at.
So about SuperSU. If that app is making you go nuts, why don't you try SuperUser by @ChainsDD ? There's also a great Superuser app from CM team. But without knowing your Rom, I won't recommend it.
Do Kindly note, some Root apps are not compatible with 4.3. So you may get weird errors. Others like Nandroid Manager have their own limitations on Root access.
P.S. - Your Current Post Count is 1. I did respond right ?
LOL... thanks man. I am positively NOT HOT
what's with Roms
>>> TW 4.3 ATT leak on Tmobile LTElessS3
>>> I was just venting the fact that a member CAN NOT post on Development Forums because he/she has less than 10 posts.
>>> That's like filling 10 forms before you are able to download a file. Similar to registration process that just drive you nut.
>>> One engineering note is wiping a partition 3 times. The wipe process before installing a new ROM.
>>> I just don't get it... Why 3 ??? "insanity according to Albert Einstein"
Superuser..But without knowing your Rom, I won't recommend it.
>>>Superuser - NOT an option, not even working
Do Kindly note, some Root apps are not compatible with 4.3. So you may get weird errors. Others like Nandroid Manager have their own limitations on Root access.
>>> YES sir. Fully understood
P.S. - Your Current Post Count is 1. I did respond right ?
>>> call me up when you want a beer... or couple shots of the good sh****
@mrbackdoor
I don't have the ATT S3 Let alone the leaked Rom so can't comment. I hate TouchWiz anyway. I don't want to comment on the rules. They are there for a reason. Yes they may be an irritant but they keep Noobs away. You my dear friend is a Newb. There's a difference.
Whoever asked you to wipe the same partition 3 times needs to get their head examined. But then I am jumping ahead without knowing full circumstances. So if you don't mind, show me the thread link.
Are you trying to get the Leaked ATT Rom with a working Root ?
Now you too sir, have been guilty as well. I need to have full problem statement, which I am sorry I have not got as yet. So can you kindly explain what precisely are you trying to do and where does SuperSU come into play ?
Ok, first, please don't assume we are all jerks who are going to belittle you or treat you horribly and then ban you from OUR playground. I personally felt it a little insulting that your first post, coming to us for help, was so defensive and presumptuous.
Yes, we want you to do as much on your own as you can. No, most of us do not consider a low post count an indicator of idiocy. We might, however, judge how much we want to help depending on the quality of your post, or any other OP by anyone. If you do your best to find your own answers, and post clearly and respectfully, it'll show.
And there absolutely are reasons for all the rules here, and no one wants to hear anyone complain about them. (And if you haven't actually read them, please do so). The 10 post rule is to prevent spammers and bots from being able to post in the most important sections. And it's just 10 posts...see you're already on your way!
So if you'd care to try starting over on a better note, here are my points regarding your issues.
There is no real benefit to formatting something more than once. This is something that apparently began with some old device where the recovery wouldn't always format correctly. So people got in the habit of wiping several times rather than the king after each time. They then spread out across xda and push this practice like gospel sometimes, even though it gives no benefit and imo shortens the life of the device. I have tried to point out to folks this is not necessary, but gave up long ago! To each his own.
Enewman found a bit of a workaround for the su issues. It's not perfect but does seem to help a little.
Find these files
/etc/install-recovery.sh
/etc/init.d/dameonsu (or similar named script)
Find this line
/system/xbin/daemonsu --auto-daemon &
Delete --auto
Reboot
Hopefully that helps. And fyi, I'm going by memory, but am pretty sure I've been fairly accurate.
But also keep in mind that it's a combo of things, you do also need the insecure kernel. And Knox is still gonna screw with it if it's not been removed.
Also, try to remember, all of this stuff is brand new to all of us. Do not expect miracles, it takes time to relearn everything for everyone. But if it's really that bad, then consider going back to an older Rom for now.
These are after all leaked builds and should not be expected to be fully functional and bug free.
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Dr. and Perseus
To you both, thank you, thank you and thank you. It would have been more appropriate on the General thread. Anyhow:
Perseus
If needed, I can point you to the threads. You are kind. I do appreciate that.
Dr.
I think you know exactly what I was talking about. So to you I do apology if my post is offended. In fact, to anyone who do feel the same. My bad.
please don't assume we are all jerks who are going to belittle you or treat you horribly and then ban you from OUR playground. I personally felt it a little insulting that your first post, coming to us for help, was so defensive and presumptuous.
>>>No Sir, no way in any shapes or forms I do assume people are jerks. Like I stated before, I was just venting on the fact that the rule cripples members ability to contribute and alienates them as well.
And there absolutely are reasons for all the rules here, and no one wants to hear anyone complain about them. (And if you haven't actually read them, please do so). The 10 post rule is to prevent spammers and bots from being able to post in the most important sections. And it's just 10 posts...see you're already on your way!
>>> Understood. Complain is absolutely not my thing. If there is a way to monitor users' footprints, you will find out that I have been here for a while, and it just not my style to complain or ask unless I have read just about anything posted.
So if you'd care to try starting over on a better note, here are my points regarding your issues.
>>> Of course.
There is no real benefit to formatting something more than once.
>>> Got it. Now's that is at the core. That's exactly what I was looking for. Instead banging my head trying to understand how partitions are being formatted and the file system that is basically associated to the NIX for a long time . Basically what I posted is the workaround that I use for now.
Hopefully that helps. And fyi, I'm going by memory, but am pretty sure I've been fairly accurate.
>>> Correct.
But also keep in mind that it's a combo of things, you do also need the insecure kernel.
>>> Appreciate your time Dr.
Statement below is my initial love your developers. That has not changed. Just "kang" members that I do find .... well.... you got my drift.
"I do appreciate every single one of the developers who spends countless hours to make the word "FREE" as free as possible."
Whenever you two do find your way to America Finest City... ring me up. A few rounds on me, if not all.
Again, thanks.
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you will find out that I have been here for a while, and it just not my style to complain or ask unless I have read just about anything posted.
Whenever you two do find your way to America Finest City... ring me up. A few rounds on me, if not all.
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Actually your join date of May '11 is the first thing I noticed. Pretty big time Reading on your part if you didn't ask before.
I am afraid we are still missing the problem you posted for aren't we ? Or what steps Doc suggested about the leak solved your problem ?
I'm on the app most of the time, so I can't readily see post counts, join dates, junior/senior member status, etc. But anyway, thanks for the reply op. I lurked around the forums for about a year before my first post, reading and learning all I could, so I can appreciate that you seem to have done so as well!
I was slightly off earlier, when you find those files, change this:
/system/xbin/daemonsu --auto-daemon &
To this:
/system/xbin/daemonsu --daemon &
Had to go look it up again. Sorry bout that!
@Perseus71
I'm pretty sure his main issue was that root wouldn't always work. After a little while sometimes root apps will lose their root access, which can be annoying, obviously! Some have just resorted to opening and closing the app a bunch of times till it regained root.
If I'm not mistaken it's due to seLinux blocking root. And by removing auto from the script, it forces the daemon to run persistently, as opposed to just when it's called, thereby helping to retain root access.
Another workaround I read somewhere was to tell SuperSU to ignore the apps permissions, or something like that. Not positive on what they meant right now, I'll have to try and find it again to be sure.
The other part of this is the insecure kernel. This will set seLinux status from enforcing to permissive. You may have to reboot or even reflash the kernel if it doesn't change from what I hear. I've not seen this myself though.
And then there's Knox. If it's not removed it can also cause problems with root access.
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@Perseus71
I'm pretty sure his main issue was that root wouldn't always work. After a little while sometimes root apps will lose their root access, which can be annoying, obviously! Some have just resorted to opening and closing the app a bunch of times till it regained root.
If I'm not mistaken it's due to seLinux blocking root. And by removing auto from the script, it forces the daemon to run persistently, as opposed to just when it's called, thereby helping to retain root access.
Another workaround I read somewhere was to tell SuperSU to ignore the apps permissions, or something like that. Not positive on what they meant right now, I'll have to try and find it again to be sure.
The other part of this is the insecure kernel. This will set seLinux status from enforcing to permissive. You may have to reboot or even reflash the kernel if it doesn't change from what I hear. I've not seen this myself though.
And then there's Knox. If it's not removed it can also cause problems with root access.
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Oh I see. Honestly on my 4.3.1 rom that I had, I never experienced this problem. Possible its related to the leaked Rom's implementation of SELINUX?
I have got no idea at all what you are so angry about, if it's kangers like myself well we never claimed to be true developers. The developers do they developing, and we do modifications to make things how we want them and hopefully others enjoy it too, that's all.
To OP, we're aware this SuperSU problem was annoying, we were one of the first few dealing with non-stop before bringing the leak from AT&T and debloating it over here.
enewman17 and his infinite knowledge did some poking around in the files and found a way to make root more persistent, albeit this is a leak, and we have Samsung KNOXing at our door. Things are bound to be broken, and especially because myself and others working on the leak are not professional Android developers nor do we ever claim to be, more like hobbyists who try to learn on their own by reading, or their own personal knowledge of NIX' and shell scripting.
Rest assured, we're all doing what we can to find workarounds, and make the transition from 4.1.2 to 4.3 as painless as possible because believe me, it is painful. The SDcard structure lining up with the AOSP file structure change from 4.2+, KNOX, SELinux, things just got a bit harder.
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Dr. has it right about the issue (I'm pretty sure his main issue was that root wouldn't always work.). I can work around it. No biggie. Will try the recommended method.
I have got no idea at all what you are so angry about, if it's kangers like myself well we never claimed to be true developers.
>>> Sir, I am not angry. I did explained couple times on previous posts. I just find certain rules and their enforcers hinder members' contributions. Whether that is just saying thanks or report something back. .The process in my opinion alienates the excitement of new members who are willing to do what it takes in hope to return something back. And so I did vent about it, Probably on the wrong forum. And I did apologize. If you want we can table this offline to show you what I meant.
nor do we ever claim to be
>>> Nor did I
Rest assured, we're all doing what we can to find workarounds, and make the transition from 4.1.2 to 4.3 as painless as possible because believe me, it is painful. The SDcard structure lining up with the AOSP file structure change from 4.2+, KNOX, SELinux, things just got a bit harder
>>> I wouldn't doubt you. I've seen your work.
>>> The point is not about developers, contributors, members. Just rules and the re-reinforcement. I personally believe any voice is constructive and beneficial. I am not a NIX person, but I do find the creation of the linux kernel and its distributions since then fascinating. Awesome technologies have been built due to the collaboration of community sharing and giving back. I am almost certain xda was also created on the same principle.
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Dr. has it right about the issue (I'm pretty sure his main issue was that root wouldn't always work.). I can work around it. No biggie. Will try the recommended method.
I have got no idea at all what you are so angry about, if it's kangers like myself well we never claimed to be true developers.
>>> Sir, I am not angry. I did explained couple times on previous posts. I just find certain rules and their enforcers hinder members' contributions. Whether that is just saying thanks or report something back. .The process in my opinion alienates the excitement of new members who are willing to do what it takes in hope to return something back. And so I did vent about it, Probably on the wrong forum. And I did apologize. If you want we can table this offline to show you what I meant.
nor do we ever claim to be
>>> Nor did I
Rest assured, we're all doing what we can to find workarounds, and make the transition from 4.1.2 to 4.3 as painless as possible because believe me, it is painful. The SDcard structure lining up with the AOSP file structure change from 4.2+, KNOX, SELinux, things just got a bit harder
>>> I wouldn't doubt you. I've seen your work.
>>> The point is not about developers, contributors, members. Just rules and the re-reinforcement. I personally believe any voice is constructive and beneficial. I am not a NIX person, but I do find the creation of the linux kernel and its distributions since then fascinating. Awesome technologies have been built due to the collaboration of community sharing and giving back. I am almost certain xda was also created on the same principle.
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Glad to know we could be of assistance. Glad to clear that up with you. Feel free to post more, don't be such a lurker!
Hello:
I have completed an OTA update of my Moto G 2nd Gen, and everything went smoothly, except for a pop-up after restart, giving me 3 options in some "pirate" lingo...
Fine and dandy, except I chose option 3 - "Take me to the deep", or something similar, - and that took me to the change log and release notes.
OK, but now there is an exclamation mark in the notification area, saying "LineageOS Settings", and a phrase "Ye be on the way to Davy Jones' Locker, me hearties".
It's rather funny, of course, but what exactly is this, and how do I get rid of it?
It's really annoying at this point...
Any help would be appreciated.
F3nn3c said:
Hello, I have completed an OTA update of my Moto G 2nd Gen, and everything went smoothly, except for a pop-up after restart, giving me 3 options in some "pirate" lingo...
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I don't have this device but, your best bet is to post this question within the following Official LineageOS thread for your device.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3458931
Good Luck!
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You might consider re-flashing the previous zip file. No need to wipe anything first. This has worked on the three devices I've tried it with so far. Good Luck.
April fools joke @Ibuprophen you know better. Why do you always post a link to device forum? Like having a bot running for.
Not necessarily a funny joke
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April fools joke @Ibuprophen you know better. Why do you always post a link to device forum? Like having a not running for.
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Personally, I wouldn't bundle a joke in with a scheduled update, nor would I expect my entire user community to effortlessly know how to remove it. Some jokes are harmless. Others are not. Perhaps I am just one of those people who wants to be able to TRUST the software I am installing (and no, I am not so blind as to assume I always can). Lord knows there are enough malicious types out there messing with enough things as it is. I am sure that, as a joke, no one at LOS was actively trying to be cruel (at least I hope not) but there are 'inside' jokes you can share with your closest associates, and jokes that are meant for global consumption. Most adults who "know better" know the difference between the two, that's all.
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Personally, I wouldn't bundle a joke in with a scheduled update, nor would I expect my entire user community to effortlessly know how to remove it. Some jokes are harmless. Others are not. Perhaps I am just one of those people who wants to be able to TRUST the software I am installing (and no, I am not so blind as to assume I always can). Lord knows there are enough malicious types out there messing with enough things as it is. I am sure that, as a joke, no one at LOS was actively trying to be cruel (at least I hope not) but there are 'inside' jokes you can share with your closest associates, and jokes that are meant for global consumption. Most adults who "know better" know the difference between the two, that's all.
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Thank you for the suggestion. Well, if it is an April Fools joke, it might be funny, but not being able to clear it from a notification area is actually a nuisance. I truly hope that Lineage will release another build to clear this up - I rely on my phone a lot, and although I am all for having a bit of fun, I certainly prefer a clean, well polished and smoothly running interface, that does not detract me from whatever I am doing at the moment. As a short time fix, I had to delegate Lineage OS system notifications to the bottom of the stack, just to get rid of an exclamation mark...
You are very welcome. We all are supposed to be here to be mutually supportive, after all ANYWAY - if re-flashing the last update, which in my cases left everything else about my devices unaffected, is an unsavory choice, there were some other suggestions about minor build.prop edits, etc.. which I am confident would also do the trick. Last year's LOS 01 April joke was some passive "mascot" animation and the updates after 08 April removed it. I think it is reasonable to expect the same will happen this year, and it looks as if the relevant postings on lineage.org now reflect that (which I do NOT recall seeing there yesterday, but at this point, who cares ?). As for me - I guess I will just avoid installing future LOS updates plus or minus a week from 01 April. If letting the developers blow off some steam by making these sorts of things keeps things moving forward, so be it. Good Luck.
@F3nn3c and Everyone Else...
Please see the following Post that will clarify this April Fools Joke (in a form of Bad Taste) announced by the Official Lineage Team.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76111211&postcount=18
And please don't kill the Messenger... LMAO!
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I ran this command and rebooted my device. Worked for me.
"setprop persist.lineage.nofool true"
Hi,
I got the update today, so for an april fool joke it's late, and kinda bad since we cannot remove the notification easily.
Anyone have a suggestion to remove it without root?
I did not root my phone because some app does not work with it root, and I did not wanted to search for 3 days to make them work on root.
As previously mentioned ......
mael976 said:
Hi,
I got the update today, so for an april fool joke it's late, and kinda bad since we cannot remove the notification easily.
Anyone have a suggestion to remove it without root?
I did not root my phone because some app does not work with it root, and I did not wanted to search for 3 days to make them work on root.
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Without root, the best approach is probably to dirty flash the previous build - don't clear caches, etc.... At least, it worked for the three devices I used that approach on. OR, wait patiently until 08 April. The next set of updates will remove the nonsense if they are true to their "lineage."
Sadly, on a scale of 1 to 10, not very bright. Good Luck.
mael976 said:
Hi,
I got the update today, so for an april fool joke it's late, and kinda bad since we cannot remove the notification easily.
Anyone have a suggestion to remove it without root?
I did not root my phone because some app does not work with it root, and I did not wanted to search for 3 days to make them work on root.
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You can apply the command in twrp or adb.
Why developers smoking old tyres ???
This is pure, non serious kiddish ****. 1000%.
Like these guys sitting in front of the TV and burning their farts and making bad jokes in some Trumpish slang people outside Trumpistan not understand...
stagefright1003 said:
I ran this command and rebooted my device. Worked for me.
"setprop persist.lineage.nofool true"
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Where to put that exactly?
F3nn3c said:
Hello:
I have completed an OTA update of my Moto G 2nd Gen, and everything went smoothly, except for a pop-up after restart, giving me 3 options in some "pirate" lingo...
Fine and dandy, except I chose option 3 - "Take me to the deep", or something similar, - and that took me to the change log and release notes.
OK, but now there is an exclamation mark in the notification area, saying "LineageOS Settings", and a phrase "Ye be on the way to Davy Jones' Locker, me hearties".
It's rather funny, of course, but what exactly is this, and how do I get rid of it?
It's really annoying at this point...
Any help would be appreciated.
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Same problem here...
i'm really annoyed about this stupid notification i cannot remove and keeps pinging....
whichever dev thought this was a good idea, please give them a slap for me!
As mentioned above...
FIX
Reboot to twrp --> advanced --> terminal
setprop persist.lineage.nofool true
phrag said:
i'm really annoyed about this stupid notification i cannot remove and keeps pinging....
whichever dev thought this was a good idea, please give them a slap for me!
As mentioned above...
FIX
Reboot to twrp --> advanced --> terminal
setprop persist.lineage.nofool true
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Thanks All OK now.
Was very annoying
Bloody stupid thing to do.
So I have been in this modding android game for quite some time since I had an LG G3 and then I moved over to the Nexus 6 for about 2 years and some of these custom roms are just awesome but one thing I cannot get rid of properly are the inbuilt AOSP apps..
on the Nexus 6 a few years back somebody made a flashable zip that got rid of all of them and the boot animation but then fixed the boot animation being deleted and unfortunately time to change technology has changed and that doesn't work on this phone obviously.
I have tried using the magisk debloater and it just a little too complicated for me because I don't like having two of the same apps one being Google the other being AOSP and any other gaps package I flash besides the razorlove gapps fail when flashing a custom ROM..
I've tried using opengapps and I thought when flashing that package the AOSP apps get replaced with the Google version of them.
Would anybody mind listing what AOSP apps I can remove completely and I apologize if it's already on the thread but I didn't really see anything or maybe I just wasn't looking in the right place but can you guys help me out? I really like the RR ROM but the AOSP apps just bothered the hell out of me. I've tried using titanium to completely remove some of them like the AOSP Keyboard but it doesn't fully remove them and I don't want to go into the files that I don't know about and screw up my phone..
So right now I'm on stock and the limitations kind of suck so if anybody could you know help me out listing a method that they use to get rid of them that actually works or listing the ones that I can remove and what program I can use to remove them I do not want to disable them I want to remove them... Or because I know how to use Linux and what not you know maybe somebody could show me how to make a flashable zip that will remove them and I will gladly share it to the community but I'm looking for anything that helps.
It would be greatly appreciated!
soateufel said:
So I have been in this modding android game for quite some time since I had an LG G3 and then I moved over to the Nexus 6 for about 2 years and some of these custom roms are just awesome but one thing I cannot get rid of properly are the inbuilt AOSP apps..
on the Nexus 6 a few years back somebody made a flashable zip that got rid of all of them and the boot animation but then fixed the boot animation being deleted and unfortunately time to change technology has changed and that doesn't work on this phone obviously.
I have tried using the magisk debloater and it just a little too complicated for me because I don't like having two of the same apps one being Google the other being AOSP and any other gaps package I flash besides the razorlove gapps fail when flashing a custom ROM..
I've tried using opengapps and I thought when flashing that package the AOSP apps get replaced with the Google version of them.
Would anybody mind listing what AOSP apps I can remove completely and I apologize if it's already on the thread but I didn't really see anything or maybe I just wasn't looking in the right place but can you guys help me out? I really like the RR ROM but the AOSP apps just bothered the hell out of me. I've tried using titanium to completely remove some of them like the AOSP Keyboard but it doesn't fully remove them and I don't want to go into the files that I don't know about and screw up my phone..
So right now I'm on stock and the limitations kind of suck so if anybody could you know help me out listing a method that they use to get rid of them that actually works or listing the ones that I can remove and what program I can use to remove them I do not want to disable them I want to remove them... Or because I know how to use Linux and what not you know maybe somebody could show me how to make a flashable zip that will remove them and I will gladly share it to the community but I'm looking for anything that helps.
It would be greatly appreciated!
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You do realize that AOSP is not a single project like some rom developers, right? If someone publishes an "AOSP" rom, that doesn't mean that they are following some kind of standards or rules.
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You do realize that AOSP is not a single project like some rom developers, right? If someone publishes an "AOSP" rom, that doesn't mean that they are following some kind of standards or rules.
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Well obviously but what I'm saying is pretty much every ROM that I flash seems to have the built-in apps that are AOSP based or maybe I'm not saying it right but basically every ROM that I've tried (dirty unicorns, Resurrection Remix, carbon, dotOS, sudomod,) all have built-in AOSP Keyboard AOSP phone AOSP calendar AOSP email **** like that and that's what I want to remove
soateufel said:
Well obviously but what I'm saying is pretty much every ROM that I flash seems to have the built-in apps that are AOSP based or maybe I'm not saying it right but basically every ROM that I've tried (dirty unicorns, Resurrection Remix, carbon, dotOS, sudomod,) all have built-in AOSP Keyboard AOSP phone AOSP calendar AOSP email **** like that and that's what I want to remove
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But I am doing some research on a flashable zip creator from XDA and hopefully I can make some progress with it
soateufel said:
Well obviously but what I'm saying is pretty much every ROM that I flash seems to have the built-in apps that are AOSP based or maybe I'm not saying it right but basically every ROM that I've tried (dirty unicorns, Resurrection Remix, carbon, dotOS, sudomod,) all have built-in AOSP Keyboard AOSP phone AOSP calendar AOSP email **** like that and that's what I want to remove
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A piece of advice. Get rid of your Pixel as soon as you can. It's a bug testing platform for Google. Samsung, HTC, LG, Oneplus take buggy Google code and refine it. Google doesn't bother.
I only keep this $960 piece of **** (which is now worth less that $300) because I have no other alternative at the moment. As soon as I can dump it for a real a phone, I will.
I'm good thanks I do my research before I buy my phones and I will never buy another Samsung again and dumping my phone is not an option right now if it was I get me the Rog phone from Asus that thing is a beast
soateufel said:
I'm good thanks I do my research before I buy my phones and I will never buy another Samsung again and dumping my phone is not an option right now if it was I get me the Rog phone from Asus that thing is a beast
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I used an S9 for a little while when I was setting it up for a friend. It's a marvelous phone. I have owned multiple HTC flagships in the past, and they were stellar. I have heard that LG and Oneplus were excellent. My last phone before Pixel XL was Note 7, which was absolutely amazing, one of a kind. This pos Pixel XL has been nothing but bug ridden nightmare. The only reason why I keep it around is because of Project FI. It's because it's cheap. Goddamn $960 nightmare on top of that.
Also, please use punctuation next time. Not using it seems like an insult, but maybe that's just me.
I like my pixel XL. No bugs here.
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I used an S9 for a little while when I was setting it up for a friend. It's a marvelous phone. I have owned multiple HTC flagships in the past, and they were stellar. I have heard that LG and Oneplus were excellent. My last phone before Pixel XL was Note 7, which was absolutely amazing, one of a kind. This pos Pixel XL has been nothing but bug ridden nightmare. The only reason why I keep it around is because of Project FI. It's because it's cheap. Goddamn $960 nightmare on top of that.
Also, please use punctuation next time. Not using it seems like an insult, but maybe that's just me.
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lafester said:
I like my pixel XL. No bugs here.
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Ignorance is bliss.
nabbed said:
Ignorance is bliss.
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Maybe you can fill us in on all these bugs you speak of. Would hate to continue to be ignorant.
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Ignorance is bliss.
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lafester said:
Maybe you can fill us in on all these bugs you speak of. Would hate to continue to be ignorant.
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I'd like to know too, cause I must be missing something. I have absolutely no issues with my device...
lafester said:
Maybe you can fill us in on all these bugs you speak of. Would hate to continue to be ignorant.
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Click on my profile and find new threads started by me in this subforum.
I believe every single new thread was me complaining about one bug or another.
The biggest one that is always on my mind though, and which is almost a deal breaker, was introduced by Google in the 7.0.2 update. And they still haven't fixed it, but all other manufacturers have - I know for a fact that this bug was fixed in Oreo by Samsung and Oneplus.
It's where you wear a smartwatch which can make and receive phone calls, such as my beautiful Huawei Watch with a gorgeous custom band, and then you get inside your car with a bluetooth hands-free car kit, or just a bluetooth headset, which then improperly connects to the phone as "Connected (no phone)." So you cannot use it. If you don't wear a watch, then everything works fine with a kit or bt headset. This is the reason why I don't wear my beautiful watch anymore. Google needs to fire their bluetooth stack programmer.
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I used an S9 for a little while when I was setting it up for a friend. It's a marvelous phone. I have owned multiple HTC flagships in the past, and they were stellar. I have heard that LG and Oneplus were excellent. My last phone before Pixel XL was Note 7, which was absolutely amazing, one of a kind. This pos Pixel XL has been nothing but bug ridden nightmare. The only reason why I keep it around is because of Project FI. It's because it's cheap. Goddamn $960 nightmare on top of that.
Also, please use punctuation next time. Not using it seems like an insult, but maybe that's just me.
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My bad. I use speech to text a lot and I don't like using punctuation when speaking. It causes some bad habits.
Update though, upon doing further research making a flashable zip is complicated but I should have it all figured out by the end of the week and I'm not really having any bugs with the AOSP apps I just don't like looking in my app drawer and seeing there's duplicates and I really don't want to manually hide all of them each time I flash a ROM or something and do a backup.
On a side note I just found a Chrome extension that allows speech to text and is very good with no ads. If you're like me and you use your voice more than you use your keyboard, look up voice in voice typing under Chrome extensions pretty damn simple.
soateufel said:
My bad. I use speech to text a lot and I don't like using punctuation when speaking. It causes some bad habits.
Update though, upon doing further research making a flashable zip is complicated but I should have it all figured out by the end of the week and I'm not really having any bugs with the AOSP apps I just don't like looking in my app drawer and seeing there's duplicates and I really don't want to manually hide all of them each time I flash a ROM or something and do a backup.
On a side note I just found a Chrome extension that allows speech to text and is very good with no ads. If you're like me and you use your voice more than you use your keyboard, look up voice in voice typing under Chrome extensions pretty damn simple.
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Sorry for hijacking your thread -was not my intention.
Making a flashable zip is easy with the tool I link in this thread. https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/how-to/noob-friendly-tips-tricks-information-t3798529
soateufel said:
Update though, upon doing further research making a flashable zip is complicated but I should have it all figured out by the end of the week and I'm not really having any bugs with the AOSP apps I just don't like looking in my app drawer and seeing there's duplicates and I really don't want to manually hide all of them each time I flash a ROM or something and do a backup.
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A friend of mine made a script specifically for what you are trying to do, granted, it's for a different device and older version of Android. Some small modification should be all it needs to suit your purpose, if nothing else, it may contain some useful information.
The thread is located here (Keep in mind, he's from Brazil, so his English is a little rough =)
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Sorry for hijacking your thread -was not my intention.
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You are completely fine. I'm shocked how nice people are on here LOL usually people are just mean and think they have the right answer and I have to accept it no matter what and I just don't like people who are so full of themselves so thank you.
I've been trying to research this but I was supposed to have surgery today and I was getting ready for that and unfortunately it was cancelled without my knowledge so that was pretty stressful and now I have to start the whole process over again because the doctors I was going to go to no longer accept my insurance and nobody told me so I'm still going to work on this it's just going to be a little bit of a process.
soateufel said:
You are completely fine. I'm shocked how nice people are on here LOL usually people are just mean and think they have the right answer and I have to accept it no matter what and I just don't like people who are so full of themselves so thank you.
I've been trying to research this but I was supposed to have surgery today and I was getting ready for that and unfortunately it was cancelled without my knowledge so that was pretty stressful and now I have to start the whole process over again because the doctors I was going to go to no longer accept my insurance and nobody told me so I'm still going to work on this it's just going to be a little bit of a process.
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As a side note, I am now in the same boat as you. I have a Oneplus 6 now, silk white, which is gorgeous. But it has double apps like yours - 2 calendars, 2 calculators, 2 message apps, 2 clock apps etc. I don't even really know which ones are Google and which ones are Oneplus - I think the round icons are Google, but rectangular icons are Oneplus. Plus I don't know which apps are better. I think that I will use some of them for a while and disable the least appealing ones.
There are only a handful, and maybe that's what you can do? Just disable? If you cannot disable from the main Android interface, you can do it from adb. There are commands that can disable and enable app packages from adb.
Hey guys I'm sorry it's been awhile since I've kept up with you guys. So a little side note
I have started this project it is my very first project on my GitHub.
But my problem is I have no idea how to even start this I mean I tried using the flashable zip creator and it pulled the system apps but I'm at a loss here any help would be greatly appreciated..
You can view the project at this link by the way
https://github.com/arkhamsaiyan/Marlin-AOSP-app-remover