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So, the other day I purchased a Datacolor Spyder 4 Pro screen calibrator. Being a photographer I want all my (primary) displays to look as natural and true to what my eye sees as possible.
So I decided to try calibrating my Gnex screen. I don't know any good way of doing this so I had to improvise, what I did is I first took screenshots of the entire calibration process and came to the conclusion that it simply shows 5 images: one solid white, black, red, green and blue image and measures it to define the accuracy of the uncalibrated screen. Then having told the calibration software that the screen has built in RGB sliders (the gnex doesn't I know, but I ticked the option anyway, you'll understand soon why) it then gives me a screen where it measures from a solid white image how much bias there is in either of the channels (red, green and blue) and gives a clear diagram overview, the objective is to adjust the RGB sliders of the monitor to make the 3 bars align (thus having no bias/tint in either channel for a natural reproduction). What I did here is that I used the color control feature available in various custom kernels (I'm using franco) and adjusted the color multipliers until' I my calibrator reported it being even and natural. I also used the RGB Gamma for some minor fine tuning.
I returned to the home screen and WOW, it's looks better than ever, grays are perfectly natural with NO GREENISH, CYAN OR PURPLE TINTS anywhere! Whites aren't perfect, leaning more toward a bright light gray, but worth noting I'm having only 31% screen brightness and I'm not sure if AMOLED can achieve a pure bright white image without a ton of cyan bias.
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Long story short, I got an hardware screen calibrator and used it to assist me get the most natural values with the color control in franco's kernel and it just pure amazing with none of the tints that the gnex is known for having.
My final values:
NOTE: These values may or may not look good for you, every AMOLED screen is different and needs different settings, these are simply the settings that worked for me, what's best for your device might be completely different!
Multipliers: 233 175 210
RGB Gamma: 1 0 1
Trinity contrast: 0
OMAP gamma: 1.0/disabled
Are the multipliers in order as RGB? Because these settings just make my screen look orangey
First thing, thank you for post:good:, i had looked for somebody to do a true calibration ever since i bought my gnex, having been spoiled before by my nexus s slcd screen, which was an excellent batch, so moving to the SAMOLED HD, for me, wasn't as great as i had hoped.
Still even after trying all the presets and fine tuning it still is slightly off.. (annoying thing with these screens not being all the same and being so different on quality, so you can't simply just input the color values and get the same result).
Anyway i like your numbers, they look pretty god on my screen.
Off topic: I'm probably wrong, but i think read somewhere that going over 200 on the color multipliers was supposed to make the screen more susceptible to burn in?
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Are the multipliers in order as RGB? Because these settings just make my screen look orangey
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Thanks for the reply. They should be in order indeed. Note that every display is different so it may not be what's best for your individual device. Additionally, AMOLED screens I believe is said to wear/fade quite quickly compared to LCD with use and also due to the way the actual panel works in our screens each color channel will fade with different pace, effectively leading to unbalanced colors based on what you view on it; For example if you view a lot of red colors, the reds will start fading and thus everything will look a tad cyan-tinted. Finally there may be a difference in the kernel you use and the version of that kernel.
Simply put, unfortunately it's not guaranteed that what looks best for everyone else as each screen is different.
Oh, another thing I noticed; Screen brightness actually affects the color balance pretty largely. Higher brightness means less greens and more reds/blues.
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First thing, thank you for post:good:, i had looked for somebody to do a true calibration ever since i bought my gnex, having been spoiled before by my nexus s slcd screen, which was an excellent batch, so moving to the SAMOLED HD, for me, wasn't as great as i had hoped.
Still even after trying all the presets and fine tuning it still is slightly off.. (annoying thing with these screens not being all the same and being so different on quality, so you can't simply just input the color values and get the same result).
Anyway i like your numbers, they look pretty god on my screen.
Off topic: I'm probably wrong, but i think read somewhere that going over 200 on the color multipliers was supposed to make the screen more susceptible to burn in?
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And thanks to you for your reply. I actually believe I've heard someone that had used hardware to measure up the best settings for a natural 6500K color balance, but as I replied above, each screen is different and thus they were slightly too much on the blue/cyan end for me. To be honest, most settings I've tried that others have claimed to look great have always been too much green or too much blue. I've tried to adjust after my own eyes and gotten pretty close to what I believe to be good colors but always there is some kind of flaw, so I'm quite surprised to be honest I was able to get such a good overall result.
As for the color multipliers, I've heard it too but I have never seen anyone confirm it, so I'd call it off as a rumor. The burn-ins I've seen using values around 150-200 previously only apply to bright contrast colors and fades away within 2-3 seconds at most and 31% screen brightness is rather low I'd say.
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On another note.. I just want to add that this isn't necessarily a full calibration but just an attempt to reach the most balanced color values. When it comes to gamma and contrast however I'm not sure it's really possible to mimic that of an LCD screen due to the way AMOLED handles blacks and produces very vibrant colors.
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Thanks for the reply. They should be in order indeed. Note that every display is different so it may not be what's best for your individual device. Additionally, AMOLED screens I believe is said to wear/fade quite quickly compared to LCD with use and also due to the way the actual panel works in our screens each color channel will fade with different pace, effectively leading to unbalanced colors based on what you view on it; For example if you view a lot of red colors, the reds will start fading and thus everything will look a tad cyan-tinted. Finally there may be a difference in the kernel you use and the version of that kernel.
Simply put, unfortunately it's not guaranteed that what looks best for everyone else as each screen is different.
Oh, another thing I noticed; Screen brightness actually affects the color balance pretty largely. Higher brightness means less greens and more reds/blues.
And thanks to you for your reply. I actually believe I've heard someone that had used hardware to measure up the best settings for a natural 6500K color balance, but as I replied above, each screen is different and thus they were slightly too much on the blue/cyan end for me. To be honest, most settings I've tried that others have claimed to look great have always been too much green or too much blue. I've tried to adjust after my own eyes and gotten pretty close to what I believe to be good colors but always there is some kind of flaw, so I'm quite surprised to be honest I was able to get such a good overall result.
As for the color multipliers, I've heard it too but I have never seen anyone confirm it, so I'd call it off as a rumor. The burn-ins I've seen using values around 150-200 previously only apply to bright contrast colors and fades away within 2-3 seconds at most and 31% screen brightness is rather low I'd say.
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On another note.. I just want to add that this isn't necessarily a full calibration but just an attempt to reach the most balanced color values. When it comes to gamma and contrast however I'm not sure it's really possible to mimic that of an LCD screen due to the way AMOLED handles blacks and produces very vibrant colors.
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Actually deterioration is a problem with normal AMOLED screens. Samsung uses PenTile configuration to mitigate that in the SAMOLED and SAMOLED Plus variants. More info in the following interview with a Samsung engineer:
http://www.mobileburn.com/19548/new...ed-displays-last-longer-thats-why-we-use-them
I put in these values using the Trickster app and my screen looked absolutely rubbish. There is no option to enable/disable Omap gamma in trickster, could that be the reason for the bad colors?
Screenshot please
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Face meet palm...
Why would the settings on his device be shown in a screen shot that you're viewing on yours?
its looks like cyan effect for photo on my screen..:/
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Why would the settings on his device be shown in a screen shot that you're viewing on yours?
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Ummm.. Before and after?? Captain perfect
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This works very well on my phone, but I change the omap gamma to 6
Thank you again :thumbup:
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Ummm.. Before and after?? Captain perfect
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He's right, smartass, the screen shot is just the source of color, no matter how you calibrate your screen, every screen shot looks the same on other devices. We can only notice with real eyes contact.
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Ummm.. Before and after?? Captain perfect
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That makes as much sense as taking screenshots of different brightness levels.
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Ummm.. Before and after?? Captain perfect
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You must be a genius. Never heard anyone call somebody "Captain perfect" either. Pretty crappy insult.
Glad to see some people have enough sense to realize screenshots are software rendered though.
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You knew this was going to happen lol.
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AbhishekS said:
I put in these values using the Trickster app and my screen looked absolutely rubbish. There is no option to enable/disable Omap gamma in trickster, could that be the reason for the bad colors?
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Every screen is different, what looks good for me might look rubbish for you unfortunately :/
Also because someone asked for a before/after...
Now this will be highly unscientific and hard to reproduce but here's a before/after example (clicky for larger image):
Also advised you look at it with a good desktop monitor, and bear in mind that cameras are not perfect in any way so even if the camera settings used were identical and white balance set to match as closely as possible, it may not look to you as significant in terms of differences than it is to my eye. Nonetheless I can certainly see a difference especially in the gray and white tones.
The before example is not the stock kernel but simply the reference settings of all multipliers set to 200 and RGB gamma all set to 0. I believe this should be fairly similar to what stock kernel shows.
Still looks orangeish to me so I lowered red down to 220. But thanks anyways. I always love testing these.
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You had a green tint before u changed it. I can that in the Google Search bar.
And what's funny is the color u recommended are extremely similar to mine lol.
*Multiplier*
Red: 235
Green: 170
Blue:206
*RGB Gamma*
Red: 4
Green: 0
Blue: 2
Trinity: 0
Omap:1
But yeah I had a very greenish tint in my screen. Made my keyboard look brown before I rooted. =|
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Amazing. Just amazing. Can't believe we still have people who say things like this.
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after looks better imo
As the title says, which display mode you are using and your thought on why?
I personally switched over to the most accurate mode, funny cause it's called, "Basic Mode." lol. If you use any of the "amoled" modes, it will give you that oversaturated colors. It took me like a couple days to get used to the "accurate" colors though just caues everything was so vibrant before. Personal choice really.
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I personally switched over to the most accurate mode, funny cause it's called, "Basic Mode." lol. If you use any of the "amoled" modes, it will give you that oversaturated colors. It took me like a couple days to get used to the "accurate" colors though just caues everything was so vibrant before. Personal choice really.
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Ya i'm giving basic a try its different but color accuracy is nice.
I went to basic for accuracy then went back to adaptive because I like the way it makes colors pop.
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Basic, all my tvs are calibrated to D65/REC709 and it's nice to finally have a phone that can reproduce this.
started with adaptive the switched to basic and it just seems right
Been using photo.
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Basic, all my tvs are calibrated to D65/REC709 and it's nice to finally have a phone that can reproduce this.
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Here are some bit on the Rec709 ^_^ It can probably reproduce them better too!
The Basic screen mode provides a very accurate Color and White Point calibration for the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut that is used in virtually all current consumer content for digital cameras, HDTVs, the internet, and computers, including photos, videos, and movies. The Color Gamut of the Basic screen mode is very accurate, with a nearly perfect 101 percent of the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut. Even better, the Absolute Color Accuracy for the Basic screen mode is an impressive 1.5 JNCD, the most color accurate display that we have ever measured for a Smartphone or Tablet, which is visually indistinguishable from perfect, and is very likely considerably better than your living room TV.
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Why is color accuracy important?
Color Accuracy is especially important when viewing photos from family and friends (because you often know exactly what they actually should look like), for some TV shows, movies, and sporting events with image content and colors that you are familiar with, and also for viewing online merchandise, so you have a very good idea of exactly what colors you are buying and are less likely to return them.
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I love the way adaptive goes color-crazy in bright sunlight, it's like turning the brightness to 11
Lol it goes to "11" brightness in all the other modes ad well.
I tried basic, the onlynthing i noticed is it gave a warmer yellow tint to white. None of the modes mute the oversaturation of colors on this phone. At least it doesnt on mine.I like the pop so it doesnt bother me. If oversaturation is a problem, you should consider an iphone.
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I tried basic, the onlynthing i noticed is it gave a warmer yellow tint to white. None of the modes mute the oversaturation of colors on this phone. At least it doesnt on mine.I like the pop so it doesnt bother me. If oversaturation is a problem, you should consider an iphone.
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Actually if you consider oversaturation a problem, go to basic mode. It has more accurate colors than the iphones. Here's displamate. Samsung is KING when it comes to display.
Basic Mode with the Standard sRGB / Rec.709 Color Gamut
The Basic screen mode provides a very accurate Color and White Point calibration for the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut that is used in virtually all current consumer content for digital cameras, HDTVs, the internet, and computers, including photos, videos, and movies. The Color Gamut of the Basic screen mode is very accurate, with a nearly perfect 101 percent of the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut. Even better, the Absolute Color Accuracy for the Basic screen mode is an impressive 1.5 JNCD, the most color accurate display that we have ever measured for a Smartphone or Tablet, which is visually indistinguishable from perfect, and is very likely considerably better than your living room TV.
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Trying basic now. It starting to grow on me.
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I like the adapt mode, but then I had a problem getting a good night exposure with the camera. Finally I realized it was the display mode screwing with how the photo was displayed, not the photo itself, and I've been on basic ever since. Love it.
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Is there any reason to believe that the display mode could drastically change battery life? Logically i cant think of a reason it would, but the only change ive made in the last 2 days is from adaptive to basic, and my battery doesnt seem to be draining near as fast as it had.
Basic is the best.
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Ya i'm giving basic a try its different but color accuracy is nice.
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Agreed 100%.
Basic is the most accurate phone display I've ever seen color wise and beats the iPhone 6 and 6 plus easily.
I've been seen a lot of bashing going on regarding the OP3'd display, which is getting rather annoying.
I've put together a side-by-side comparing my OP3 to my Note 4.
Notes: The OP3 is using the screen protector out of the box, which is admittedly pretty garbage. The Note 4 also has a screen protector (plastic), but it's a premium brand.
Settings: The OP3 is at full brightness with the color temperature slider all the way to the right. The Note 4 is using AMOLED photo mode at full brightness. I took this photo with a Canon G7X and locked the color balance using a grey card. These photos are untouched, other than cropping and resizing slightly.
Can you tell which is which? Does one have more detail over the other?
OP3: Left
Samsung Galaxy Note 4: Right
I'd suggest looking at this photo on a calibrated monitor for better accuracy.
(I've included the original file to compare to).
I'd also like to add that critics are calling the OP3 display as the "worst display", while the Note 4 has one of the best in recent years.
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Awesome man, thanks for this. The exaggerations of the media (one way or another) drive me nuts. This puts to rest my only concern.
The colors on the oneplus are way too over saturated. The skin tones look orange. This is nitpicking obviously. Oneplus said they're releasing an update anyways to address this issue so it won't be a problem. The note 4 has a better display doesn't change anything .
There's also a blue cast on the oneplus screen.
That screen banding in the blue sky on the OP3, is it something that came up in the photo or can you actually see it? Because colours slightly off I can take, but that is a big no
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That screen banding in the blue sky on the OP3, is it something that came up in the photo or can you actually see it? Because colours slightly off I can take, but that is a big no
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That's actually because of the screen protector. It also smears fingerprints really bad despite me cleaning it.
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malek777 said:
The colors on the oneplus are way too over saturated. The skin tones look orange. This is nitpicking obviously. Oneplus said they're releasing an update anyways to address this issue so it won't be a problem. The note 4 has a better display doesn't change anything .
There's also a blue cast on the oneplus screen.
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It may have been bias to yellow/orange/red because I had the color temperature cranked all the way to the right. Also, if you are viewing that image from a monitor that is not calibrated it will look bad (or at least much worse than in real life).
I asked my wife which looked better and she immediately picked the OP3. Ironically, citing it was sharper/more detailed and the colors are more natural.
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While neither is very accurate, if I had to choose between the two then it'd be the OP3 for sure.
While over-saturated, the colors look more natural in comparison to the blueish tint that the Note 4 has which is particularly obvious on the whites.
As for the "worst screen" comment, all that bull started from the (admittedly honest) Anandtech review and a rather poor choice of words, especially as "worst" is actually a rather inaccurate word seeing as what they meant was that the calibration was the furthest off from "true-to-life" than any other screen.
To their credit, they were quick to mention that this was obviously BY DESIGN as in, OnePlus actually CHOSE to steer away from color accuracy in favor of more pleasing colors and also mentioned that OnePlus apparently targeted the NTSC color gamut instead of the more natural-looking sRGB.
That's also the part where they mentioned that OnePlus will be adding an sRGB option in the next OTA, at which point they'll re-evaluate that part of the review.
IMHO it is sad that an honest account of a critical reviewer was taken out of context and used from people that never even saw the phone up close to bash it.
I can understand why OnePlus calibrated this AMOLED display the way they did. Coming from the OnePlus 2's IPS LCD, they wanted to flex a bit with the OnePlus 3 and wow us in a similar manner as Samsung is always wowing users with their screens. Could you trade a Honda for a Lexus and not open her up a bit on the highway on the way home?
There are inevitably going to be people who like the punchy, poppy colors of the OnePlus 3 display and those who would prefer it to be more subdued and true-to-life. The admirable thing is that OnePlus is working on an update that will allow users to choose which they prefer. I think that's truly commendable.
Note 4 was a good display but not the best these days. I have Note 3,4,Nexus 6/6P, S7Edge. I find the OP3 is the closest to Note 3, it has same resolution. The colors are better on the OP3, the brightness better on Note3. I think some areas the OP3 is a bit washed out in the reds compare to Note 4. The Nexus 6p most neutral. S7Edge colors are bold. So I don't think OP3 has a bad display, it's better than Nexus 6, a bit better than Note 3 can't say it's better or worse really. So perhaps there are bad screens out there but I am lucky that mine is good overall.
so do this again with sRGB for color accuracy people
I had a deep look at my coworker's OP3, after he updated to 3.2.1 with sRGB feature added.
Well, I think it is a very good display and I like it a lot better when in sRGB mode: much more natural colors, less "neon glow" effect.
That said, my colleague prefers the native color calibration so again it all comes down to personal preferences.
Note 4 has one of the best in recent years?
hell no. Both of them have yellowish tone and too over saturated. For me, high quality IPS is the best, for ex : sony Z4
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Note 4 has one of the best in recent years?
hell no. Both of them have yellowish tone and too over saturated. For me, high quality IPS is the best, for ex : sony Z4
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It was rated as the most accurate display of it's time. This is not using Samsung display modes btw.
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I've been seen a lot of bashing going on regarding the OP3'd display, which is getting rather annoying.
I've put together a side-by-side comparing my OP3 to my Note 4.
Notes: The OP3 is using the screen protector out of the box, which is admittedly pretty garbage. The Note 4 also has a screen protector (plastic), but it's a premium brand.
Settings: The OP3 is at full brightness with the color temperature slider all the way to the right. The Note 4 is using AMOLED photo mode at full brightness. I took this photo with a Canon G7X and locked the color balance using a grey card. These photos are untouched, other than cropping and resizing slightly.
Can you tell which is which? Does one have more detail over the other?
OP3: Left
Samsung Galaxy Note 4: Right
I'd suggest looking at this photo on a calibrated monitor for better accuracy.
(I've included the original file to compare to).
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Do you happen to have an older phone by the way? Please compare it to that too and then convince us with your results that based on your comparison you came to the conclusion that this display is great. Jokes aside, compare it to a recent flagship not to something that was made 3 ywars ago.
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Do you happen to have an older phone by the way? Please compare it to that too and then convince us with your results that based on your comparison you came to the conclusion that this display is great. Jokes aside, compare it to a recent flagship not to something that was made 3 ywars ago.
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Yeah, this is no longer something I need to prove as the srgb mode has made the OnePlus 3 one of the best out there: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10445/revisiting-the-oneplus-3/2
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Yeah, this is no longer something I need to prove as the srgb mode has made the OnePlus 3 one of the best out there: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10445/revisiting-the-oneplus-3/2
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Sure sure in your dreams may be. Nobody uses srgb mode anyways because whites are so yellow. But if you are that shallow person to just go by what a review said then go ahead stick to srgb lol
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Sure sure in your dreams may be. Nobody uses srgb mode anyways because whites are so yellow. But if you are that shallow person to just go by what a review said then go ahead stick to srgb lol
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So what exactly are you doubting? That the sRGB mode on the OP3 isn't as accurate as professional equipment says it is, or that your eyes know what "real white" looks like?
I happen to calibrate multiple monitors using high end equipment, and to most people white looks "warm". The sRGB mode on the OP3 looks as accurate as any monitor I work on, so what's the problem?
And fortunately, professionals don't use eyes to determine color accuracy and white points, so this argument really is silly.
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So what exactly are you doubting? That the sRGB mode on the OP3 isn't as accurate as professional equipment says it is, or that your eyes know what "real white" looks like?
I happen to calibrate multiple monitors using high end equipment, and to most people white looks "warm". The sRGB mode on the OP3 looks as accurate as any monitor I work on, so what's the problem?
And fortunately, professionals don't use eyes to determine color accuracy and white points, so this argument really is silly.
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Professionals my arse. I don't care what "professionals" call white inside a lab. This is real life, not lab life. If you think those yellow whites are the real whites then you are due for an eyes appointment really soon. We are talking display quality here, not calibration quality. If you want to talk about display quality then compare it to 2016 devices, not to 2013 devices. Your Note 4 is too old, sorry.
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This is real life, not lab life. If you think those yellow whites are the real whites then you are due for an eyes appointment really soon. We are talking display quality here, not calibration quality.
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So instruments which measure display color accuracy aren't to be trusted? In "real life" we generally don't allow subjective preference to override objective measurements.
I can't understand why anyone would be upset about this. If you don't prefer accurate whites then go with a display that gives cool whites instead.
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Did some comparisons between the Moto G5 plus and my old ASUS Zenfone 2. As soon as I started using it the colors seemed off, everything had this weird olive greenish hue and It didn't make any sense because launcher/homes seemed fine. But I'd browse a website, play pokemon go, or look at instagram and things were just washed out and dull while at the same time parts looked fine.
Finally found a test that explains what I was seeing and it's not good news. I was running the latest firmware with the volte fix. The app i used is called "DIsplay Tester" by "Brainntrapp" and open the test was "Banding, Contrast, Saturation" test. There are so many colors just missing on the G5 Plus the gradient looks horrible. The banding you see on the G5 plus was not visible in real life but the missing colors and hardness of the gradient was. Photos were taken with a Nikon D90 and Tamron 17-50 2.8.
The screen was driving me nuts so I didn't mess around with getting a replacement or sending to Moto to fix because I couldn't live with it if it didn't get resolved. I'll just have to keep looking/waiting for a replacement to my old zenfone.
Figured if any of you were having issues you could see if yours is similar, also curious to hear if you're _not_ having this issue as well which means it may make sense to buy once production issues are fixed.
I can't really tell any difference between Vibrant and Standard, but don't see any banding as in yours and think they look pretty decent imo.
The screen is on the less vibrant side than some others, but colors appear very accurate/realistic and the sharpness of detail is very good. My Moto X Pure screen is 1440p with more color depth but it has a yellowish tint to the whites in comparison. Coming from the Pure at first I thought the G5+ screen was going to be too bland, but after using it awhile I like its softer look which seems easier on the old eyes while still being very viewable.
I agree there's a really minimal difference between vibrant and standard. However, you took screenshots which will not show any issues as the actual data being sent is correct so we can't know if your screen does or doesn't have this issue. I had to take a picture of the screen with my DSLR and included my ASUS for comparison as a way to demonstrate the issue.
In the pictures I took, the hard breaks you see between the colors in the G5 are supposed to be smooth gradients and there is a ton of blue missing from the panel as well. This isn't just an issue of the screen being generally desaturated this is an uneven distribution of missing/desaturated colors. If it doesn't bother you that's certainly fine but it's very much an issue with the screen that should be addressed as it means that it is incapable of accurately reproducing colors even if the reproduction is pleasing to some. The banding I'm referring to is in the green section on my pictures and was not visible in real life and some form of artifact from taking the photo.
Sorry, I misread and thought you were referring to the banding as the main issue. I do see the more distinct color separation or breaks when looking at it directly in the app in either color mode. Just ran Display Tester on my Moto X Pure which shows the much more gradual blending (like on your ASUS) when looking at both phones side by side, although it should costing $150 more.
So it does indicate the G5+ lacks in color depth, something I noticed right away but which hasn't seemed like a minus after using it. The sharpness and wide viewing angles still seem like good quality, perhaps because it's IPS. But now I'm wondering if the KCAL features included in the latest extended stock kernel might help adjust things to look better.
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The sharpness and wide viewing angles still seem like good quality, perhaps because it's IPS. But now I'm wondering if the KCAL features included in the latest extended stock kernel might help adjust things to look better.
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That's part of why this confuses me so much. The sharpness and viewing angles are amazing for an IPS panel I'm not sure if IPS has anything to do with the colors (the ASUS is also IPS). I'd be very curious if KCAL helps as it seems like it should be able to, it could also be as simple as a bad color mode on the panel driver? I'd love to see a comparison from a custom rom to stock. I'm very split on thinking it's a software issue or it's a hardware issue. I don't have enough knowledge or experience to really do anything useful, but I'm hoping that providing the info gives others an ability/info to understand and look into it.
KCAL greatly improves the 'banding, contrast, saturation' result in Display Tester, which now looks as good as your ASUS or my MXPE once I found a good range of settings. Even on KCAL's initial settings the color gradients looked drastically better, so whatever was causing the lousy color depth definitely seems to be corrected by it as the screen looks excellent now.
I'm running on stock using the extended kernel btw. Maybe someone using a custom ROM can post on whether the colors are noticeably better than on stock and also test it in DT for comparison. Seems it'd be more of a driver or configuration error or bug than something hardware related, so maybe Lenovorola will be able to fix it with an update.
Dahenjo said:
KCAL greatly improves the 'banding, contrast, saturation' result in Display Tester, which now looks as good as your ASUS or my MXPE once I found a good range of settings. .
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Please share your current Kcal config .
How can I activate srgb mode on Moto G5 Plus
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How can I activate srgb mode on Moto G5 Plus
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What we have to help with the washed-out screen is KCAL support available in both custom kernels (ElementalX and Extended Stock) on this forum. After installing either kernel you'll need to use either EX Kernel Manager app or Kernel Adiutor app (both at Playstore) to access the color control settings. I also found the Display Tester app mentioned above useful for checking how the settings I made looked. My screen looks terrific now.
I found that setting Saturation to 45 brings the best improvement, while setting Value to 135 brings another slight improvement.
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I found that setting Saturation to 45 brings the best improvement, while setting Value to 135 brings another slight improvement.
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That's indeed a very good setting. Thanks!
Saturation 50
Value 115
Contrast 140
Is what I've been using lately
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I found that setting Saturation to 45 brings the best improvement, while setting Value to 135 brings another slight improvement.
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I tried that and looks pretty good. Going to tweak contrast and see too. We should start a thread sharing tweaks
There is no way to fix this without root or Custom Kernel?
So if I'm getting it right I have to run kcal v1.2 on my moto g5 plus and from there I have access to color controls, is that correct?
Unfortunately, I have this same issue, although I didn't realize it, because my wife used the phone on the wifi to talk on Facebook so I ran out of time to return it.
What makes it worse is that it's the amazon-ads version so I can't even root it.
I put this phone right next to 3 other phones (with all LCD screens to be fair) and the difference is kinda shocking. The G5plus looks like it's been bleached, all the colors are faded, like I pulled some sliders to make it less vibrant and more black/white.
My wife didn't notice it, since she was using a basic phone until she got herself a new phone and told me, that "how come this looks more colorful?" That's when I took a better look at the G5plus.
After using it as my daily driver for a week, this phone got some serious color issues. Interestingly the pictures I took looked awful on this phone, but when I looked at the same pics (uploaded to google photos) on my PC, they look ok, not missing any colors.
Another issue I noticed. I turned off auto screen brightness OFF, because it just doesn't work.
I walk out to sunshine and the screen won't brighten and when I walked inside it won't darken so I ended up manually changing the brightness.
Here is the interesting (or rather annoying) part: When I turn the brightness up, it seems like it makes the whites more glowing, while the dark /black (let's say a shadow of a tree) just either stays too dark or turns more grey, instead of brighter. It's like the brightness control is controlling the exposure and contrast only.
Despite I see youtube videos talking about its 4K video capability, I think this phone makes terrible videos, especially how the camera applies too much contrasts and the HDR doesn't help it.
I also believe, that it's not all and every single device have this problem, because I'm sure I'd seen more complaints. It's just horrible quality control, and that's Lenovo for you.
I tried color tuning apps, but nothing seem to work. It probably requires a root but since it's an Amazon phone, it won't help it. So the phone works great as a phone, it just have an awful screen and a mediocre camera
This phone may have been enough in 2016 and 17 with these weaknesses as a budget, but seeing all the new budget Chinese phones coming out this year, I would not recommend this phone unless you can pick it up for $100 or less.
This phone is going into my drawer as soon as my new LG G6 arrives and the G5plus will be only used as a backup phone. There is no way I would keep using this as a daily driver unless I have no other choice.
Hey guys, just bought a used 2XL off eBay. Everything seems as advertised but I had a couple questions. I'm coming from using an LG G7
1) the screen is a bit warm in hue, is this something normal after presumably 1 year of use?
2) does the Cam have the same features as on the 3 or is there a port I should download?
3) I haven't put my SIM into this. Any call issues or people? (I'm on Freedom in Canada and the phone was purchased from a seller in Canada)
4) anything else you might recommend or that I should be aware of coming from another Android phone?
Thanks for any replies!
Cheers
Not an owner yet, but I can say most phones screens can get warm because of the processor/battery at times. I would not worry about that. Also, you can check Kimovil or willmyphonework to see if it'll get full band support for Freedom. The only thing to be weary of from what I hear is the OLED burn in, which is a danger with any oled phone if you are careless
Are you comfortable with rooting your phone? If so you can put a custom kernel on the device and use a KCAL profile to cool the screens colors, that's what I do.
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@Koray_: Wrong definition of "warm". In this case the OP is asking whether the overall color of the screen is reddish (warm) or bluish (cold).
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P2XL screens seem to vary greatly. After 1 year of use however this might be normal. The blue OLEDs fade more quickly than the red or green.
Top Shot is not available for the P2XL. TBH I haven't checked to see if the camera app ports have it, but Top Shot supposedly requires an AI upgrade that the P2XL doesn't have.
No call issues I am aware of.
The blue shift phenomenon widely reported on these devices is overblown. All OLED screens have blue shift to varying degrees. The screen itself on a new device is set with a color palette closer to the real world. This can be changed in the device settings to give the color palette a bit more punch, or you can set it so it looks a lot like a Samsung display. I personally use the natural color palette, the lowest setting. But people's tastes vary which is why Google added the settings in an early update to the firmware.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
@Koray_: Wrong definition of "warm". In this case the OP is asking whether the overall color of the screen is reddish (warm) or bluish (cold).
@VCan25:
P2XL screens seem to vary greatly. After 1 year of use however this might be normal. The blue OLEDs fade more quickly than the red or green.
Top Shot is not available for the P2XL. TBH I haven't checked to see if the camera app ports have it, but Top Shot supposedly requires an AI upgrade that the P2XL doesn't have.
No call issues I am aware of.
The blue shift phenomenon widely reported on these devices is overblown. All OLED screens have blue shift to varying degrees. The screen itself on a new device is set with a color palette closer to the real world. This can be changed in the device settings to give the color palette a bit more punch, or you can set it so it looks a lot like a Samsung display. I personally use the natural color palette, the lowest setting. But people's tastes vary which is why Google added the settings in an early update to the firmware.
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Thanks for the detailed response! Been using it on and off for the day and it seems to verify your points. Actually I had tried a Pixel 3 before but call quality was terrible. Dropped calls and receivers couldn't hear me but had no issue today on the 2XL so that was a relief. I found the palette options and I guess it was set to a more saturated level which I didn't like but on natural it seems much better. And I was looking for Top Shot and Super Res Zoom, so I'll check out the ports to see what developers have been able to cook up. Photos have been great so far and I can see why people love the camera. The LG G7 was so saturated it lacked details on zooming in.