Did some comparisons between the Moto G5 plus and my old ASUS Zenfone 2. As soon as I started using it the colors seemed off, everything had this weird olive greenish hue and It didn't make any sense because launcher/homes seemed fine. But I'd browse a website, play pokemon go, or look at instagram and things were just washed out and dull while at the same time parts looked fine.
Finally found a test that explains what I was seeing and it's not good news. I was running the latest firmware with the volte fix. The app i used is called "DIsplay Tester" by "Brainntrapp" and open the test was "Banding, Contrast, Saturation" test. There are so many colors just missing on the G5 Plus the gradient looks horrible. The banding you see on the G5 plus was not visible in real life but the missing colors and hardness of the gradient was. Photos were taken with a Nikon D90 and Tamron 17-50 2.8.
The screen was driving me nuts so I didn't mess around with getting a replacement or sending to Moto to fix because I couldn't live with it if it didn't get resolved. I'll just have to keep looking/waiting for a replacement to my old zenfone.
Figured if any of you were having issues you could see if yours is similar, also curious to hear if you're _not_ having this issue as well which means it may make sense to buy once production issues are fixed.
I can't really tell any difference between Vibrant and Standard, but don't see any banding as in yours and think they look pretty decent imo.
The screen is on the less vibrant side than some others, but colors appear very accurate/realistic and the sharpness of detail is very good. My Moto X Pure screen is 1440p with more color depth but it has a yellowish tint to the whites in comparison. Coming from the Pure at first I thought the G5+ screen was going to be too bland, but after using it awhile I like its softer look which seems easier on the old eyes while still being very viewable.
I agree there's a really minimal difference between vibrant and standard. However, you took screenshots which will not show any issues as the actual data being sent is correct so we can't know if your screen does or doesn't have this issue. I had to take a picture of the screen with my DSLR and included my ASUS for comparison as a way to demonstrate the issue.
In the pictures I took, the hard breaks you see between the colors in the G5 are supposed to be smooth gradients and there is a ton of blue missing from the panel as well. This isn't just an issue of the screen being generally desaturated this is an uneven distribution of missing/desaturated colors. If it doesn't bother you that's certainly fine but it's very much an issue with the screen that should be addressed as it means that it is incapable of accurately reproducing colors even if the reproduction is pleasing to some. The banding I'm referring to is in the green section on my pictures and was not visible in real life and some form of artifact from taking the photo.
Sorry, I misread and thought you were referring to the banding as the main issue. I do see the more distinct color separation or breaks when looking at it directly in the app in either color mode. Just ran Display Tester on my Moto X Pure which shows the much more gradual blending (like on your ASUS) when looking at both phones side by side, although it should costing $150 more.
So it does indicate the G5+ lacks in color depth, something I noticed right away but which hasn't seemed like a minus after using it. The sharpness and wide viewing angles still seem like good quality, perhaps because it's IPS. But now I'm wondering if the KCAL features included in the latest extended stock kernel might help adjust things to look better.
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The sharpness and wide viewing angles still seem like good quality, perhaps because it's IPS. But now I'm wondering if the KCAL features included in the latest extended stock kernel might help adjust things to look better.
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That's part of why this confuses me so much. The sharpness and viewing angles are amazing for an IPS panel I'm not sure if IPS has anything to do with the colors (the ASUS is also IPS). I'd be very curious if KCAL helps as it seems like it should be able to, it could also be as simple as a bad color mode on the panel driver? I'd love to see a comparison from a custom rom to stock. I'm very split on thinking it's a software issue or it's a hardware issue. I don't have enough knowledge or experience to really do anything useful, but I'm hoping that providing the info gives others an ability/info to understand and look into it.
KCAL greatly improves the 'banding, contrast, saturation' result in Display Tester, which now looks as good as your ASUS or my MXPE once I found a good range of settings. Even on KCAL's initial settings the color gradients looked drastically better, so whatever was causing the lousy color depth definitely seems to be corrected by it as the screen looks excellent now.
I'm running on stock using the extended kernel btw. Maybe someone using a custom ROM can post on whether the colors are noticeably better than on stock and also test it in DT for comparison. Seems it'd be more of a driver or configuration error or bug than something hardware related, so maybe Lenovorola will be able to fix it with an update.
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KCAL greatly improves the 'banding, contrast, saturation' result in Display Tester, which now looks as good as your ASUS or my MXPE once I found a good range of settings. .
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How can I activate srgb mode on Moto G5 Plus
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How can I activate srgb mode on Moto G5 Plus
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What we have to help with the washed-out screen is KCAL support available in both custom kernels (ElementalX and Extended Stock) on this forum. After installing either kernel you'll need to use either EX Kernel Manager app or Kernel Adiutor app (both at Playstore) to access the color control settings. I also found the Display Tester app mentioned above useful for checking how the settings I made looked. My screen looks terrific now.
I found that setting Saturation to 45 brings the best improvement, while setting Value to 135 brings another slight improvement.
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I found that setting Saturation to 45 brings the best improvement, while setting Value to 135 brings another slight improvement.
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That's indeed a very good setting. Thanks!
Saturation 50
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Is what I've been using lately
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I tried that and looks pretty good. Going to tweak contrast and see too. We should start a thread sharing tweaks
There is no way to fix this without root or Custom Kernel?
So if I'm getting it right I have to run kcal v1.2 on my moto g5 plus and from there I have access to color controls, is that correct?
Unfortunately, I have this same issue, although I didn't realize it, because my wife used the phone on the wifi to talk on Facebook so I ran out of time to return it.
What makes it worse is that it's the amazon-ads version so I can't even root it.
I put this phone right next to 3 other phones (with all LCD screens to be fair) and the difference is kinda shocking. The G5plus looks like it's been bleached, all the colors are faded, like I pulled some sliders to make it less vibrant and more black/white.
My wife didn't notice it, since she was using a basic phone until she got herself a new phone and told me, that "how come this looks more colorful?" That's when I took a better look at the G5plus.
After using it as my daily driver for a week, this phone got some serious color issues. Interestingly the pictures I took looked awful on this phone, but when I looked at the same pics (uploaded to google photos) on my PC, they look ok, not missing any colors.
Another issue I noticed. I turned off auto screen brightness OFF, because it just doesn't work.
I walk out to sunshine and the screen won't brighten and when I walked inside it won't darken so I ended up manually changing the brightness.
Here is the interesting (or rather annoying) part: When I turn the brightness up, it seems like it makes the whites more glowing, while the dark /black (let's say a shadow of a tree) just either stays too dark or turns more grey, instead of brighter. It's like the brightness control is controlling the exposure and contrast only.
Despite I see youtube videos talking about its 4K video capability, I think this phone makes terrible videos, especially how the camera applies too much contrasts and the HDR doesn't help it.
I also believe, that it's not all and every single device have this problem, because I'm sure I'd seen more complaints. It's just horrible quality control, and that's Lenovo for you.
I tried color tuning apps, but nothing seem to work. It probably requires a root but since it's an Amazon phone, it won't help it. So the phone works great as a phone, it just have an awful screen and a mediocre camera
This phone may have been enough in 2016 and 17 with these weaknesses as a budget, but seeing all the new budget Chinese phones coming out this year, I would not recommend this phone unless you can pick it up for $100 or less.
This phone is going into my drawer as soon as my new LG G6 arrives and the G5plus will be only used as a backup phone. There is no way I would keep using this as a daily driver unless I have no other choice.
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Does anyone else's screen have very low gamma? Using Display Tester app I get a value of 1.4. A standard lcd screen should have a value of 2.2. I also notice this when viewing video in that darks parts of the image have low contrast. Changing the display mode or brightness does not seem to make a difference to the gamma. I think I will take the unit to a Samsung center and ask about it.
I have a black P605 16Gb.
Anandtech did some pretty exhaustive testing of the N10.1-14's display. I think they would have caught what you've described.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7378/samsung-galaxy-note-101-2014-edition-review/3
This is exactly what i was posting about , the gamma is broken on note 2014. Sure the colors look great but hallf the time you cant see many things in games which shud be clearly visible i dont get how more ppl havent noticed this. Only workaround is to set the brightness way up n use movie mode
There is something wrong with the back lightning. If viewed from an angle, especially diagonally, the screen gets washed out. This is more appearant when in a dark room viewing a dark image. Having my iPad 3 next to it and it does not have the same problem. I guess it's the same problem that some nexus 5 users have. Going post a comparison image later if I get around to it.
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There is something wrong with the back lightning. If viewed from an angle, especially diagonally, the screen gets washed out. This is more appearant when in a dark room viewing a dark image. Having my iPad 3 next to it and it does not have the same problem. I guess it's the same problem that some nexus 5 users have. Going post a comparison image later if I get around to it.
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yes its the case with all note 2014's i think because the ones at my local samsung store on display were the same way, however i think this has to do with it being LCD technology (also as the review above states they are using some sort of non traditional white on this display) not super lcd. On the plus side you may however notice the wash out is only most apparent on black or darker areas.
Im not sure why the calibrated the gamma this way though.
Hello everyone. I am planing to upgrade to a new phone, probably the N5X, but the problem is I can not test one myself. I have watched several reviews and on each one of them I noticed that the screen has dull colors, even when compared to the sony z3. Colors look washed out, with a yellowish tint. This is the only thing keeping me away from buying this phone. Is it as bad as it seems ? Did any of you notice this the moment you started using your N5X ? Any feedback is appreciated. :highfive:
I haven't really found the colors dull. The contrast and saturation is not good as the AMOLED on my Samsung but it wasn't annoyingly so.
It is a warmer display but the Mar or Apr update added a setting to use cooler calibration, which makes it comparable to other "cool" displays. I actually don't turn on that setting because it makes the display too white (for my liking) but it is mostly a matter of what your eyes get used to. Many people find the cooler setting to be preferable.
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but the Mar or Apr update added a setting to use cooler calibration, which makes it comparable to other "cool" displays.
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Where can I find that setting?
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Where can I find that setting?
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Settings->Developer Options->Cool Color Temperature
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Settings->Developer Options->Cool Color Temperature
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Actually, barring any weird manufacturing issues, the N5X has one of the most accurately calibrated displays right out of the box. The colors might seem dull when compared to an AMOLED or the Triluminous display on your Z3, but they're accurate, not oversaturated. People tend to like saturated and vivid color. ****, I like the saturated color on my Sony 4K TV (uses a similar "Triluminous" color gamut that your current phone uses). I calibrated it one day and hated the color and lack of overall "pop".
Luckily, if you do pull the trigger on an N5X, you can tweak the color settings on your screen to your heart's content using a custom kernel (which you should absolutely have considering it's a Nexus phone) and kernel manager app.
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Actually, barring any weird manufacturing issues, the N5X has one of the most accurately calibrated displays right out of the box. The colors might seem dull when compared to an AMOLED or the Triluminous display on your Z3, but they're accurate, not oversaturated. People tend to like saturated and vivid color. ****, I like the saturated color on my Sony 4K TV (uses a similar "Triluminous" color gamut that your current phone uses). I calibrated it one day and hated the color and lack of overall "pop".
Luckily, if you do pull the trigger on an N5X, you can tweak the color settings on your screen to your heart's content using a custom kernel (which you should absolutely have considering it's a Nexus phone) and kernel manager app.
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I've used color calibration for my m8 before, but when I went ahead and tried to calibrate the n5x display to my liking, I kept coming back close to the default settings.
Haven't used amoled phones in a while but I'm happy with the screen so far, left all calibrations to default.
The OnePlus 3T has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
How do you find the sRGB-mode? I dont like it at all. The colours are not colourful any more in that mode. I find custom mode full warm the best though...
What about you?
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How do you find the sRGB-mode? I dont like it at all. The colours are not colourful any more in that mode. I find custom mode full warm the best though...
What about you?
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Same, custom mode with full warm is my fav so far. Whites in other modes looks little blueish to me.
At first I thought S-RGB mode to be very bland in comparison with the default's vibrant colours. But after trying out the S-RGB for a day straight I don't want the default anymore xD
Everything seems much more realistic, accurate, not overly saturated, and even soothing/calmer with S-RGB. Default now gives off a wacky vibe, like I'm high or something
Edit: Tried custom full warm like the posts above, but I don't like it during the day. At night it is good, but still prefer the S-RGB for most of the day.
I really dislike the screen of the OP3T and I'm probably going to return mine because of it.
Unfortauntely I can't post an image comparison I made but you can probably see it for yourself: get some app with sharp edges in the UI and black on white text (Now for reddit, for example), you'll notice a bit of color fringing around the text, typically some green above and purple below the characters' lines. This makes text look somewhat out of focus and uncomfortable to read.
It really sucks compared to my Nexus 5's IPS screen, sure more vibrant colors but what use is that if it can't display text in a readable form?
Too bad, I really like the rest of the phone. Now I'll have to go back and look for another affordable dual sim high-spec phone.
(This is my second OP3T after I returned the first one believing this was a manufacturing defect, after some looking around it seems to be a result of the screen being a PenTile AMOLED display at a too low resolution for the size)
i now have a huawei p9 with 1080p ips lcd and 5,2". i like the uniformity and the "sharp edges" (no pentile matrix) of the display.
anyone in the same boat and did a "downgrade" to the OP3T amoled screen?
i`m a little bit afraid of uneven gray level (yellow on one side) and fuzzy fonts which are not so comfortable readable as on a lcd display.
l like the phone specs but worried about the low resolution screen - anyone have this and the s7 edge and can compare the screens ?
sRGB mode is really great in my opinion --> the calibration in this mode is great, so you can be sure, that everything on the web and in apps looks as the creator intended, as sRGB is for the time being the "standard" color profile.
I have no problem with the pentile matrix and 1080p resolution --> while I can notice a difference in sharpness compared to the OPO with its 1080p IPS display, the display of the OP3T is all around great. I would put the sharpness of the OP3T around the sharpness of the iPhone7 (non plus) with its 326ppi.
The sRGB mode on the OP3 is way better.. The OP3T sRGB mode is definitely pretty washed out with a lot more yellow tint..
I'm sure one plus can tweak that.. Nothing inherently wrong with the screen coz I think they're the same..
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I really dislike the screen of the OP3T and I'm probably going to return mine because of it.
Unfortauntely I can't post an image comparison I made but you can probably see it for yourself: get some app with sharp edges in the UI and black on white text (Now for reddit, for example), you'll notice a bit of color fringing around the text, typically some green above and purple below the characters' lines. This makes text look somewhat out of focus and uncomfortable to read.
It really sucks compared to my Nexus 5's IPS screen, sure more vibrant colors but what use is that if it can't display text in a readable form?
Too bad, I really like the rest of the phone. Now I'll have to go back and look for another affordable dual sim high-spec phone.
(This is my second OP3T after I returned the first one believing this was a manufacturing defect, after some looking around it seems to be a result of the screen being a PenTile AMOLED display at a too low resolution for the size)
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I'm calling BS on this one. Smells like a troll...
I just got OnePlus 3t for a week. The screen sharpness look okay to me, I have s6 and s7 edge to compare and I can't see any pixel in these phone except both samsungs look sharper. The only complaint here is that the screen panel doesn't look very black when see in daylight and not as vivid/warm, compare to my iPhone 6s. But custom setting to nearly full warm help a lot.
I use to be afraid of the pentile 1080p too, but now I can say it look very great.
I'm disappointed in the clarity of the screen, it looks quite pixelated and grainy to me. I can't understand why OP didn't go for a QHD in the 3T
I preffer 1920x1080 in my 3T, the screen has a lot of quality in my opinion, I don't want anymore.
I don't like the screen at all, it just isn't as sharp as other phones compared to today's standards its not great. Im quite let down by it.
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I don't like the screen at all, it just isn't as sharp as other phones compared to today's standards its not great. Im quite let down by it.
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LeL
It's decent in my opinion
I came from Galaxy S6 and its (well, let's face it) outstanding quad HD display and actually the downgrade in resolution is in fact noticeable for me. Not a big deal though, it may be just me being crazy about some minor details
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It's decent in my opinion
I came from Galaxy S6 and its (well, let's face it) outstanding quad HD display and actually the downgrade in resolution is in fact noticeable for me. Not a big deal though, it may be just me being crazy about some minor details
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Agreed, I'm used to using 2k screen phones and I'm perhaps being a bit OCD about it. The 3T screen isn't bad by any means, I can just see the difference from my old 2k phones which is annoying me. I'm also noticing the PWM on the screen and that's something I've not noticed in phones since I had my old Note 4.
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Agreed, I'm used to using 2k screen phones and I'm perhaps being a bit OCD about it. The 3T screen isn't bad by any means, I can just see the difference from my old 2k phones which is annoying me. I'm also noticing the PWM on the screen and that's something I've not noticed in phones since I had my old Note 4.
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Exactly, I totally agree with you
Such an amazing phone but the 1080 pentile is ugly, you're only getting an effective resolution of around 900p because of it. I feel the phone is spoiled a lot because of this.
sRGB mode is a must also on this panel.
Coming from a Moto X Pure, which has a 1440p display, I can definitely tell the difference, especially when I resize my desktop icons using Nova Launcher, with the display set to small on Nougat. This phone however is blazing fast compared to the Pure, so I'll be getting used to the display and set my icons to a somewhat smaller size (120% instead of 130%.)
I have no reason to root this thing either, except for a custom kernel with KCAL support and using Kernel Adiutor-Mod. None of the sRGB settings are good enough for me. I need Samsung-like bleeding color settings.
EDIT: Solved the blurry icons with Nova by disabling the "Normalize icon size" option.
Hey guys, just bought a used 2XL off eBay. Everything seems as advertised but I had a couple questions. I'm coming from using an LG G7
1) the screen is a bit warm in hue, is this something normal after presumably 1 year of use?
2) does the Cam have the same features as on the 3 or is there a port I should download?
3) I haven't put my SIM into this. Any call issues or people? (I'm on Freedom in Canada and the phone was purchased from a seller in Canada)
4) anything else you might recommend or that I should be aware of coming from another Android phone?
Thanks for any replies!
Cheers
Not an owner yet, but I can say most phones screens can get warm because of the processor/battery at times. I would not worry about that. Also, you can check Kimovil or willmyphonework to see if it'll get full band support for Freedom. The only thing to be weary of from what I hear is the OLED burn in, which is a danger with any oled phone if you are careless
Are you comfortable with rooting your phone? If so you can put a custom kernel on the device and use a KCAL profile to cool the screens colors, that's what I do.
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@Koray_: Wrong definition of "warm". In this case the OP is asking whether the overall color of the screen is reddish (warm) or bluish (cold).
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P2XL screens seem to vary greatly. After 1 year of use however this might be normal. The blue OLEDs fade more quickly than the red or green.
Top Shot is not available for the P2XL. TBH I haven't checked to see if the camera app ports have it, but Top Shot supposedly requires an AI upgrade that the P2XL doesn't have.
No call issues I am aware of.
The blue shift phenomenon widely reported on these devices is overblown. All OLED screens have blue shift to varying degrees. The screen itself on a new device is set with a color palette closer to the real world. This can be changed in the device settings to give the color palette a bit more punch, or you can set it so it looks a lot like a Samsung display. I personally use the natural color palette, the lowest setting. But people's tastes vary which is why Google added the settings in an early update to the firmware.
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@Koray_: Wrong definition of "warm". In this case the OP is asking whether the overall color of the screen is reddish (warm) or bluish (cold).
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P2XL screens seem to vary greatly. After 1 year of use however this might be normal. The blue OLEDs fade more quickly than the red or green.
Top Shot is not available for the P2XL. TBH I haven't checked to see if the camera app ports have it, but Top Shot supposedly requires an AI upgrade that the P2XL doesn't have.
No call issues I am aware of.
The blue shift phenomenon widely reported on these devices is overblown. All OLED screens have blue shift to varying degrees. The screen itself on a new device is set with a color palette closer to the real world. This can be changed in the device settings to give the color palette a bit more punch, or you can set it so it looks a lot like a Samsung display. I personally use the natural color palette, the lowest setting. But people's tastes vary which is why Google added the settings in an early update to the firmware.
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Thanks for the detailed response! Been using it on and off for the day and it seems to verify your points. Actually I had tried a Pixel 3 before but call quality was terrible. Dropped calls and receivers couldn't hear me but had no issue today on the 2XL so that was a relief. I found the palette options and I guess it was set to a more saturated level which I didn't like but on natural it seems much better. And I was looking for Top Shot and Super Res Zoom, so I'll check out the ports to see what developers have been able to cook up. Photos have been great so far and I can see why people love the camera. The LG G7 was so saturated it lacked details on zooming in.
Can anyone share their screen calibration settings? I wanna get the best whites possible. On my N9 I used to decrease the reds all the way to zero and my greens about halfway but this is a new phone with a different display and those settings aren't doing the same thing. So I just wanted to know what everyone was doing. Thanks.
I think natural mode supposed to be pretty much calibrated already and if you still wanted to tweak it more there is cool/warm white balance slider and rgb sliders.
There is whole bunch of tests here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note10_ShootOut_1G.htm.
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Can anyone share their screen calibration settings? I wanna get the best whites possible. On my N9 I used to decrease the reds all the way to zero and my greens about halfway but this is a new phone with a different display and those settings aren't doing the same thing. So I just wanted to know what everyone was doing. Thanks.
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I think natural mode supposed to be pretty much calibrated already and if you still wanted to tweak it more there is cool/warm white balance slider and rgb sliders.
There is whole bunch of tests here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note10_ShootOut_1G.htm.
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Natural mode can't be further adjusted. You have to choose Vivid to adjust RGB and color temp.
As far as best settings, it's difficult to say what yours should be. If the Note 10 is anything like the Note 8 or Note 9, you can lay four of them down next to each other with stock settings and they will all be different.
My Note 10+ seemed to have too much green tint and maybe just slightly cool. I left temp alone and just knocked green down one notch. But honestly, these screens are so close to perfect you can just leave it stock. Just play around with it, adjust it back and forth until it looks good to YOU. You're the one staring at it.
I have compared four Note 10+'s side by side, and all had different white points. Also, Natural mode was significantly greenish (maybe slightly yellow too) on all four devices. Personally, I feel like my Note8 has a better panel.
According to article I linked above and here again http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_No...hootOut_1G.htm Natural mode supposed to be calibrated and automatically switch between sRGB and DCI-P3 depending on content. (I guess sRGB for pictures and web, DCI-P3 for 4k TV) and can't be easily adjusted. Then there is Vivid mode which uses full color gamut, display is capable of showing and you can adjust it with sliders to your liking or calibrate using instruments. I can't tell you if all phones are properly adjusted at factory (probably not), but according to article the one they had was right on the money and mine seems to be fine as well. BTW the eye can be easily fooled and calibrating instruments are the proper way to adjust it, if you need it. Yet, it is my phone, I don't use it for pro use, so I adjust it the way I like it and mine is set as vivid and gray seems to be neutral gray as far as I can tell without any tinkering. YDMW.
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I have compared four Note 10+'s side by side, and all had different white points. Also, Natural mode was significantly greenish (maybe slightly yellow too) on all four devices. Personally, I feel like my Note8 has a better panel.
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One of the failings on Android, no color calibration.
You simple can't do it by eye and get all the parameters right.
It's fine for viewing but not editing photos until a company like Spyder steps up to the plate with a 3rd party calibration apk and tool.
Mine seemed best in natural mode with a slight amount of red added with an overlay apk and night mode turned at about the 10 or 20% level.
Lol, enough.
Just don't edit photo colors, temps etc. with or you may get a very rude surprise.