Develop Bugs

Best advice for sharging battery for first use out of box?

so what is the best thing to do?
is there any way of charging,dis charging ect to get the best battery life?
or should i just charg it to 100% and use it right away?
i did a charging squence with my nexus s. but duno about the Gn.

for me is to turn on the device and start working until the battery drops to 0-1%.
only then im charging it X2 then needed to go to 100%, you can make it Double if you want.

Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...

ericshmerick said:
Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
100% Agree. There will be a lot of different opinions.
ericshmerick said:
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My way,
Turn on phone, charge it to 100%, leave it plugged for an extra 20 min, and start using it normally.
The only time I discharge a battery is after a couple of months. Because we never charge it to 100% and they start creating memory and charging less and less every time. The purpose of discharging it completely is to erase its memory. That's why when it is new, I see no point on discharging it completely. Batteries suffer every time they are completely discharged and if they are left 100% for a long period of time, thats why new batteries always come charged about 50%, to extend battery life since they may be stored for a long period of time. (ref. aviation school)
Just my 2 cents.

sstang2006 said:
The only time I discharge a battery is after a couple of months. Because we never charge it to 100% and they start creating memory and charging less and less every time. The purpose of discharging it completely is to erase its memory. That's why when it is new, I see no point on discharging it completely. (ref. aviation school)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That hasn't been true since NiCd's in the 1980s.
Modern Lithium-Ion and Lithium-Polymer batteries have no "memory" and are actively damaged if allowed to discharge fully.

HooloovooUK said:
That hasn't been true since NiCd's in the 1980s.
Modern Lithium-Ion and Lithium-Polymer batteries have no "memory" and are actively damaged if allowed to discharge fully.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)

sstang2006 said:
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Generally because they don't know any better and they don't realise battery technology has moved on.

Because batteries "back in the days" were quite sensitive to memory. That's why we were all raised by the complete-discharge-mantra, which sticks with you forever. The next generation won't have this problem and will feel free to charge their phones when they want to. ;-)

sstang2006 said:
OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Becouse android in itself keeps a battery log, it is from this log your device calculates the amount of battery you have left. To keep these values true (calibrated) you should do 2-3 cycles where you on purchase, discharge fully until device auto shut down, start it WITHOUT charge a couple of times and let it die to set the min value, charge up to 100%, use your device again till auto shut down... you dont have to worry about damaging your battery in this case since your device it programmed to shut down with good marginal of battery depletion. What you SHOULD NOT do is leave an empty battery uncharged for a long period of time.
Sent from my X10i using xda premium

Lithium batteries will be damaged if they are stored fully charged or fully discharged for extended periods of time. Thats why the battery is about half charged when its new. They have no memory effect, they just loose capacity.
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk

Tjotte said:
Becouse android in itself keeps a battery log, it is from this log your device calculates the amount of battery you have left. To keep these values true (calibrated) you should do 2-3 cycles where you on purchase, discharge fully until device auto shut down, start it WITHOUT charge a couple of times and let it die to set the min value, charge up to 100%, use your device again till auto shut down... you dont have to worry about damaging your battery in this case since your device it programmed to shut down with good marginal of battery depletion. What you SHOULD NOT do is leave an empty battery uncharged for a long period of time.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Good point. While it's important not to fully discharge the battery too often, there is also the issue of calibrating the battery meter.

ericshmerick said:
Well, this is going to be one of those threads where everyone has their own little way to care for a battery and others say their way is better, etc, etc the arguments breaking out which will result in people posting www.batteryuniversity.com in an effort to win said arguments.
Here's mine. On a brand new phone, I put the battery in, boot up, connect the charger, run it to 100%, disconnect charge, run battery all the way down, connect the charge, run to 100% and go about my life charging when I need to.
My two cents. Have no idea if it does any good, but my SGSII is going on 1 day 14 hrs on a single charge, so it must work somehow...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's exactly what I do, had 14 hours of moderate use today and still had 45% left. More than happy with that. It seems to be getting better each day at the moment.

Crin said:
That's exactly what I do, had 14 hours of moderate use today and still had 45% left. More than happy with that. It seems to be getting better each day at the moment.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
78% after 14 hours here, but that's light use.

sstang2006 said:
OK, I may be wrong I'm no expert.
Why do people keep discharging them to 0% if they have no memory? (I'm not been sarcastic)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The whole "discharging the battery fully" thing doesn't really apply here - because nobody will ever fully discharge it. The Nexus uses a Lithium Ion cell - it's a single cell, with a nominal voltage of 3.6V. When fully charged, it peaks at 4.2V (at which point, the charging circuitry cuts off to avoid overcharging). However, when we "fully discharge" our phones, the cell only goes as low as 3.5V - and then the phone shuts off.
In reality, lithium cells can discharge to around 3.0V before any damage occurs. However, this would yield very little extra battery life. Stopping at 3.5V provides a wide safety margin (lithium cells are potentially dangerous if overcharged/discharged), whilst extending cell life.
In a nutshell - don't worry about running your phone down to 0% (unless you're putting it in storage, in which case leave it at about 60%). In fact, it's a good thing with a new phone, as cycling (charging and discharging a cell) helps to "wake" the cell up and reach it's max capacity more quickly.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App

i see some good ideas about charging and discharging.
but it is indeed a fact that 100% and 0%(real) isnt good for our new race of battery's.
but a few posts here already tell how and what.
and its not gonna be a thread of arguments and stuff,if we all keep it in our heads that we just want to share our tip's of how you think its the best way(and have some experience with it)
just to share some info. and not compete the info against each other.
i well know there are different ways. but its always nice to read what experience people have with it to make a choice for my own and any other wanting to know this.
and i posted here in the GN section,instead of the Android section because each phone handles battery different,and this narrows the options down to a single device :3

Just keep in mind it's not just about the battery itself it's about the software registering how much actual power the battery has at a certain time, so if the battery has in actuality 100% charge in it, and the software reads 80 then your phone will die out sooner. So charging and discharging is good because it calibrates the hardware with the software. Just remember to switch off the device then charge it so the software doesn't auto discharge when it thinks the battery reached 100%.

K i just skipped thru the posts, gonna throw in my input real quick.
Basically just run down the battery. Once it turns off, hold the power button to make sure all the juice is gone. Then charge it up to 100% and leave it there for a good hour. Now (root required) download https://market.android.com/details?...yLDEsImNvbS5uZW1hLmJhdHRlcnljYWxpYnJhdGlvbiJd and follow the instructions .. its not exactly necessary but a nice thing "just in case" .
thats my plan anyways.

Nutsonfire said:
Lithium batteries will be damaged if they are stored fully charged or fully discharged for extended periods of time. Thats why the battery is about half charged when its new. They have no memory effect, they just loose capacity.
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Where does the loosed capacity go? Can it be caught?

And what do you think about charging with the phone being switched on? Is it better to have it switched off?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

juniorbattle said:
And what do you think about charging with the phone being switched on? Is it better to have it switched off?
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Won't make a difference.. Phones are designed to be left on anyway.

[Q] Strange Drain Mugen Battery

I have a 3900 mAh battery from Mugen. Ive noticed the battery lasts about 30 hours. But I find something very strange. It drains around 96% in just 15 minutes on straight boot after charging every time. In fact, the first 80% of so drains pretty quickly? Ive had it in my phone for about 2 weeks. Has anyone else noticed this or know why this may be happening. Also when at 100%, and i inplug it, goes straight to 98!

Have you done a battery calibration? Get the Battery Calibration app from the play store.
There's some argument as to whether this does anything or not, but have you conditioned the battery? That means letting it drain completely, then charging it continuously till it hits 100% - do that several times.

Its been proven that the app does nothing, which wipes battstats.ini or something
As for conditioning, its been down to around 3% before being charged. Ivehad the battery 2 weeks now.

Lithium Ion batteries have a very steep drain for about the first 15-20% and also slower charging from those levels. Once past that the drain is nearly linear, and then gets very steep at about 3.6v.
You can see it in the graphs here:
http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html

Typically the way our devices are designed, they do not charge the battery to 100% full it can actually cause damage to lithium ion based batteries. what happens is the battery is charged to 95%-98% then the device stops the charge and allows the battery to drop to abut 85%-90% and then starts trickling it again. By design the batteris typically drain a little bit fast at the top level.
further more lithium ion batteries survive more recharge cycles if the D0D (depth of discharge) is about 25% remaining.
Basically you battery will last longer by the device not charging to 100% and letting it discharge slightly when in trickle mode, and if you don't let it die completely and charge it when it reaches around 15%-20% left.

-Mr. X- said:
Typically the way our devices are designed, they do not charge the battery to 100% full it can actually cause damage to lithium ion based batteries. what happens is the battery is charged to 95%-98% then the device stops the charge and allows the battery to drop to abut 85%-90% and then starts trickling it again. By design the batteris typically drain a little bit fast at the top level.
further more lithium ion batteries survive more recharge cycles if the D0D (depth of discharge) is about 25% remaining.
Basically you battery will last longer by the device not charging to 100% and letting it discharge slightly when in trickle mode, and if you don't let it die completely and charge it when it reaches around 15%-20% left.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hmm that kind of makes sense. Everyones been telling me to not let it drop to below 35% though cause it 'wears the battery out'. Ive been charging at around 40 cause thats where itd be after a full day at work and such.
Ive been getting concerned though because ive seen screenshots of people getting 31 hours with 7 hours of screen on time.
Im at 62%, 9.5 hours total, 1 hour 7 min screen on. Thats mostly with Wifi on though.
My stock battery used to drop 10% an hour on 4g, and this one dropped ~11% on 4g just now....

mknewman said:
Lithium Ion batteries have a very steep drain for about the first 15-20% and also slower charging from those levels. Once past that the drain is nearly linear, and then gets very steep at about 3.6v.
You can see it in the graphs here:
http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the graph!
Sent from my amazing G2x running EaglesBlood and Faux.

Now at 36% And its just sitting off mostly with some light texting
Now 35!

Got a weird feeling the battery is messed up.
Its 3900mah, divide by 650 = 6 hour charge
Its been 6 hours and its at 46% with the phone off so its not using power, and on the wall charger.

Rekzer said:
Its been proven that the app does nothing
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I haven't heard that before. Got a source for that info?

mayonaise said:
I haven't heard that before. Got a source for that info?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer

[Q] Correct method for Battery charge cycle for new One X

Hi,
I keep getting multiple views when search the forum regarding CORRECT method for charging One for first few times and then after. Kindly suggest if you know for sure.
Many Thanks...

as allways: full --> empty --> full
most say two or three times is enough
Do it again when you install a new ROM or kernel

StephanSch said:
as allways: full --> empty --> full
most say two or three times is enough
Do it again when you install a new ROM or kernel
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for quick reply...
don't know which thread but i remember reading about not to drain it down to zero, suggesting to charge when down to around 5%. Hence the dilemma.

Give a hint if you find it again. I haven't read it before
I'm doing as written and have a quite good (in comparison to what you are reading here) battery statistic.

Would you charge it power on or off for first few times?

veerm said:
Would you charge it power on or off for first few times?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't know wether the advantages with new ROM/kernel take effect when it is off, so powered on.

Dankeschön

veerm said:
Hi,
I keep getting multiple views when search the forum regarding CORRECT method for charging One for first few times and then after. Kindly suggest if you know for sure.
Many Thanks...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You have a li-poly battery, and a lithium polymer battery doesn't need any particular charge method or charge cycle... However there's two things you can consider doing for your phone's battery.
1. Charging the phone for a full 5 hour period (even if it shows 100% charged, keep it plugged in to the end of 5 hours) and then wipe battery stat in cwm recovery if your phone doesn't detect remaining battery correctly.
2. Charging it from 50% remaining battery life is much better than letting it go all the way down to empty!
(I know lots of people told you to let the battery drains completely and then fully charge your battery, but trust me, i'm an electronic engineer, I know better, both draining the battery to 0% and charging it to full 100% are bad for your battery life, those were for ni-mh batteries not li-poly)
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

Exactly. No need to do full charges. Just plug it in whenever. If you are anal, then keep the charge cycling low. Eg keep the battery on a small band of charge state for example 50%-75%.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

srashedian said:
Charging the phone for a full 5 hour period (even if it shows 100% charged, keep it plugged in to the end of 5 hours) and then wipe battery stat in cwm recovery if your phone doesn't detect remaining battery correctly
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So, when the phone battery is down to 50%, we charge it.
And then when charged to a 100%, let it stay charged for an additional 5 hours, after that, or 5 hours TOTAL, from the time it is plugged in?
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

C56X said:
So, when the phone battery is down to 50%, we charge it.
And then when charged to a 100%, let it stay charged for an additional 5 hours, after that, or 5 hours TOTAL, from the time it is plugged in?
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
5 hours total, the point of this is to let your battery voltage go to it's maximum capacity (something around 4200mv, you can check the current voltage by dialing *#*#4636#*#* in your phone and going to battery information section)
And also note that full 5 hours charge cycle is just necessary when your phone doesn't detect your battery remaining percentage correctly... In normal situations just charging the phone from around 50% to almost 100% is an optimal charge method and you don't have to do the 5 hours charge...
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA

srashedian said:
5 hours total, the point of this is to let your battery voltage go to it's maximum capacity (something around 4200mv, you can check the current voltage by dialing *#*#4636#*#* in your phone and going to battery information section)
And also note that full 5 hours charge cycle is just necessary when your phone doesn't detect your battery remaining percentage correctly... In normal situations just charging the phone from around 50% to almost 100% is an optimal charge method and you don't have to do the 5 hours charge...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The point you're trying to make is that for better battery life, it is important to re-charge when the battery falls to 50%, and not wait till it drops to 5-10%. Correct?
For Li-Po batteries, how low is it okay to let it go, before a re-charge?

C56X said:
The point you're trying to make is that for better battery life, it is important to re-charge when the battery falls to 50%, and not wait till it drops to 5-10%. Correct?
For Li-Po batteries, how low is it okay to let it go, before a re-charge?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly...
It's better to charge your phone between 35% to 75% (optimal value is 50%) and not letting it go under 35% but after all as I said there is no need for an specific charging method and this precautions just give you something like 25% more battery life (and battery life is overall life of your phone's battery before you have to replace it, not the 100%~0% duration)

Battery charge problem...stops at 96%

my galaxy tab pro 8.4 stops charging at 96%....
i always charge it from 10 - 15% to 100% by switching of the device...from past week it always stops at 96 and when i switch it on it goes to 100 in a cou[le of minutes...what i s to be done ..i calibrated also..no change..

Yep, you have custom rom? that's usually what happens.
I have the slim rom and mine is like that, I just unplug and then plug back in does the trick
Sent from my SM-T320 using Tapatalk

cloud71 said:
Yep, you have custom rom? that's usually what happens.
I have the slim rom and mine is like that, I just unplug and then plug back in does the trick
Sent from my SM-T320 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Custom rom has nothing to do with it. I am running the stock version, and my battery won't charge up more than 64% right now. It seems the problem starts with 96/94% but gets progressively worse. Sometimes it will fix it self for a short time when I replug, but right now even that doesn't work for me.
I checked last night, and I believe the kernel just thinks the battery is nearing it's 100% state. This was a screenshot I took that shows that the battery isn't charging at full power. The closer I got to 64%, the slower the charge went:
i.imgur.com/P2i0R9s.png (Copy and paste, I am not allowed to post outside links yet..)

Sicron said:
Custom rom has nothing to do with it. I am running the stock version, and my battery won't charge up more than 64% right now. It seems the problem starts with 96/94% but gets progressively worse. Sometimes it will fix it self for a short time when I replug, but right now even that doesn't work for me.
I checked last night, and I believe the kernel just thinks the battery is nearing it's 100% state. This was a screenshot I took that shows that the battery isn't charging at full power. The closer I got to 64%, the slower the charge went:
i.imgur.com/P2i0R9s.png (Copy and paste, I am not allowed to post outside links yet..)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have you tried just using the tablet when it was "fully" charged to 64%? I see three possibilities and I would be curious to know was the case:
1) Your battery is only charging to 64% and when you start using it, it will decrease at a normal rate and you'll get 1/3 less time out of the charge.
2) Your battery is showing 64% for all charges >= 64%. So, it could be at 100% charged and will stay at 64% until you've used up 36% of your battery.
3) It is scaling wrong so that 64% == 100% and the battery percentage will decrease as you use the tablet, but it will decrease 1/3 slower than it used to (aka the time from 100% to 0% when you first bought it would be the same as your time now from 64% to 0%).
Any idea which of those three is actually happening?

crpalmer said:
Have you tried just using the tablet when it was "fully" charged to 64%? I see three possibilities and I would be curious to know was the case:
1) Your battery is only charging to 64% and when you start using it, it will decrease at a normal rate and you'll get 1/3 less time out of the charge.
2) Your battery is showing 64% for all charges >= 64%. So, it could be at 100% charged and will stay at 64% until you've used up 36% of your battery.
3) It is scaling wrong so that 64% == 100% and the battery percentage will decrease as you use the tablet, but it will decrease 1/3 slower than it used to (aka the time from 100% to 0% when you first bought it would be the same as your time now from 64% to 0%).
Any idea which of those three is actually happening?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Definitely the first one. Right now I am at about 35% and have 2.5-3 hours screen time since the 64% (can't check for a definitive screentime as the indicator doesn't reset unless you charge to 100%). So that would translate to the about 7.5-8 hours I get when I do have a full charge.
I also checked once before when I had this issue by letting my battery completely discharge and then start up my tablet again and I had 1% left, so it was pretty much completely drained. I'll probably charge it again tonight and I expect I will have an even lower full battery percentage.

Try using a different 2amp charger and/or different cable
Sent from my SM-P900 using Tapatalk

The only real fix for this opening the back up and unplugging the battery. When you plug it back in you won't see the problem again. Not sure why.... But that's how I fixed mine. Been good for two months now.

dodo99x said:
Try using a different 2amp charger and/or different cable
Sent from my SM-P900 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Also tried that already. Still only charges up to a lower percentage. Only thing I haven't tried is unplugging the entire battery.
It charged up to 100% for some reason last night. The only thing that is really weird that it charged 1% every five minutes from like 85-95% and then suddenly in the last 5 minutes it instantly charged from 95 to 100%. The whole battery thing is just really weird.

Battery hold from 11% to 0%

Hi all,
occasionally I see my 7 months old Pixel 3a XL can't hold battery power from 11% down. Switches off very fast, abnormally fast. Then if I power it and start it then keeps on restarting until battery level is higher than 5-6%
I use the original charger only. Sometimes it appears, some it does not and I can see it discharges as expected.
I try to keep my battery within 40-100% full and discharge it very rarely to 0%.
Anyone facing those abnormalities? Can't think of connected events - updates, etc ....
Cheers
p.s. after last night happening again, charged the phone from 0% to 86% (phone was off during charge), turned on on 86% and left over night on the shelf. Usually drains 2-3%, this morning it dropped from 86% to 62%. All connections off, nothing unusual shown in the battery usage stats...

TodNex said:
Hi all,
occasionally I see my 7 months old Pixel 3a XL can't hold battery power from 11% down. Switches off very fast, abnormally fast. Then if I power it and start it then keeps on restarting until battery level is higher than 5-6%
I use the original charger only. Sometimes it appears, some it does not and I can see it discharges as expected.
I try to keep my battery within 40-100% full and discharge it very rarely to 0%.
Anyone facing those abnormalities? Can't think of connected events - updates, etc ....
Cheers
p.s. after last night happening again, charged the phone from 0% to 86% (phone was off during charge), turned on on 86% and left over night on the shelf. Usually drains 2-3%, this morning it dropped from 86% to 62%. All connections off, nothing unusual shown in the battery usage stats...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's pretty weird
My 3a xl (about the same age as yours) doesn't use more than 10% max when left overnight. Are you using AOD or anything?
Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using XDA Labs

@Skittles9823 nothing beside stock Android and apps that I've used forever. Strange is that it's occasional - also occassional is initial drain from 100% to 92%.
Maybe its time to flash it - nothing suspicious is shown in batt stats
I use the fast charger that came with it. Not sure how it affects battery life long term. I try to keep it 100% to 40% usually and not charge it if not necessary..

TodNex said:
@Skittles9823
I use the fast charger that came with it. Not sure how it affects battery life long term. I try to keep it 100% to 40% usually and not charge it if not necessary..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think popular wisdom is that both fast charging and in particular charging to 100% are not kind to the battery's longivety. Divided opinion about the effect of discharging to low percentages. Personally I charge to between 70 and 80% unless I know I'm going to need more capacity. 3a XL has a bigish battery, which helps. I recharge most nights but only to 70-80%. End of day I usually end up between high 40's and low 30's charge.
I manually set all apps I don't actually need to run in background to 'restricted' background use.

I charge mine up to a 100% often, when using it heavy.. I never heard of charging a battery to 100% being bad for it, unless you believe everything that is told or should I say sold to you.. Sounds like a faulty battery. If still under the 1 yr usual warranty I would have it replaced. I have drained mine down to less than 20% and still never experience any issue that OP state.

doubledragon5 said:
I never heard of charging a battery to 100% being bad for it
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Some research references in here
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210224725-Charging-research-and-methodology
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/...-Cycle-Life-Modeling-of-Lithium-Ion-Batteries
Also Apple have actually introduced a feature to stop/postpone 100% charging when the phone thinks it's not required. Would be good if we had similar/more control for Android.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512

WibblyW said:
Some research references in here
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210224725-Charging-research-and-methodology
https://accubattery.zendesk.com/hc/...-Cycle-Life-Modeling-of-Lithium-Ion-Batteries
Also Apple have actually introduced a feature to stop/postpone 100% charging when the phone thinks it's not required. Would be good if we had similar/more control for Android.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210512
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm still not sold on the idea that charging a battery to 100% is bad.. But thanks for those links.

doubledragon5 said:
I'm still not sold on the idea that charging a battery to 100% is bad.. But thanks for those links.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's actually true. Lithium Ion batters degrade over time, the speed of which, depends on the amount of battery cycles they go through (0-100% and vice versa). Others have done the research and the math and found that generally a 20% to 80% and vice versa charge seems to be the best for longevity.
Personally I charge to 100 but try to charge my phone when it gets to 20-30%.
Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using XDA Labs

doubledragon5 said:
I'm still not sold on the idea that charging a battery to 100% is bad.. But thanks for those links.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Evidence and research is there. Of course you don't have to believe it. It's your phone, your battery, your money

WibblyW said:
Evidence and research is there. Of course you don't have to believe it. It's your phone, your battery, your money
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So very true my phone my money. In all my years of using cell phones, I think I have actually replaced a battery once because it went bad.

Thank you all for the links and the inputs!
One more symptom - when is very low like this morning - 1% and put it in charger - phone shuts off.
I will keep the battery in 40-80% for the future and limit the drain below 40%. I tried to charge it slow with USB - took me like 6-7 hours...
How long it takes you from zero to 100% with the stock charger - looks very fast to me - 0% to 67% in 35 mins
I personally tried to research and could not find what is worse for these batteries - number of cycles (obvious less when used below 40%) or the low capacity usage ?

TodNex said:
Thank you all for the links and the inputs!
One more symptom - when is very low like this morning - 1% and put it in charger - phone shuts off.
I will keep the battery in 40-80% for the future and limit the drain below 40%. I tried to charge it slow with USB - took me like 6-7 hours...
How long it takes you from zero to 100% with the stock charger - looks very fast to me - 0% to 67% in 35 mins
I personally tried to research and could not find what is worse for these batteries - number of cycles (obvious less when used below 40%) or the low capacity usage ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The included charger is a fast charger, good for headlining how fast it charges, not so great for the battery. I just use a 'standard' (Anker) USB charger.
Jury's out on if deeper discharge is bad, but it's the number of complete cycles (0-100% counting as 1). So 40 - 80% is 0.4 of a full cycle, and you're not stressing the battery so much by taking it to 100%. Many folk here replace their phones frequently enough not to be bothered by all this - if they sell it when 20% of the battery capacity's gone, that's fine.

I've observed the behaviour and few things made me question myself...one time I can see 13% battery and palying Youtube just shutdown the phone. Put it into charger and started showing 4% as initial charge.
There was another time when using Viber video shutdown in 23% but can be overheat or software bug.
I try to keep it these days above 40% charge but still use the supplied charger till I buy new slower one.

TodNex said:
I've observed the behaviour and few things made me question myself...one time I can see 13% battery and palying Youtube just shutdown the phone. Put it into charger and started showing 4% as initial charge.
There was another time when using Viber video shutdown in 23% but can be overheat or software bug.
I try to keep it these days above 40% charge but still use the supplied charger till I buy new slower one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The good news is that this phone seems to be pretty easy to repair and a battery replacement could very well be a good option for you, especially since you wouldn't be compromising any water resistance or anything