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I’m going to say this first b/c I know there are people who will reply w/ out reading the entire thread just to: a) be the first smart-ass comment and b) up their post count to make them feel relevant. So please don’t reply to this thread w/ all the usual BS. If you don’t have helpful info to share then just move on. Thank you.
Audio quality when recording video
I have been looking for a solution to this since I have had my EVO. I LOVE every other aspect of the device; I just can’t understand why it’s such a hard issue to resolve. Being that I have seen the issue discussed numerous times in numerous forums, I know there are a lot of people looking for the same solution. It seems to be an issue inherent to Android as there are older phones that record audio in video much better (iPhone, Palm Pre, Ericsson to name a few).
I have scrounged through forum after forum, thread after thread looking for a solution, but I keep coming up empty and most of the threads are several months old, which is why I’m posting a NEW thread. I’m hoping someone out there has found a solution (hack, 3rd party app, something) that will allow the EVO camcorder to record audio in a HQ format or bitrate. If this is an unattainable goal, I guess it’s the iPhone for me (cringe).
Oh, my EVO is rooted and I'm running MikG Htc Sense 2.1 + 3.0 v2.56
Thank you in advance.
I've shared this same concern. For a while the answer was to use an AOSP-based 2.3 ROM as the audio codec used in Gingerbread was superior to the pre-Gingerbread versions of Android.
The downside of using an AOSP-based ROM on the EVO is that you lose the ability to record in 720p.
However, many of the newer 2.3-based Sense ROMs that use Sense 2.1 and/or 3.0 have far better audio quality in the camcorder than previous versions. You can also up the bitrate from 10 Mbps to 20 Mbps in the settings. I'm using Synergy at the moment and I'm getting FAR better audio quality than I was on any of the stock ROMs, Gingerbread or not. I was using Fresh 4.2/CM 7 on and off prior to moving to Synergy and the audio quality I get now is superior to Fresh and equal to CM 7 (as I suspect they're both using the same audio codec now but I haven't taken the time to verify.)
Also, for non-video audio recording download Tape A Talk from the market and up the sampling rate to the max.
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OK, I just compared two videos, one made with Fresh 4.2 and one with Synergy RLS1.
Audio for Fresh was the following:
Codec: AMR narrow band (samr)
Channels: Mono
Sample Rate: 8000 Hz
Bits per sample: 32
Audio for Synergy:
Codec: MPEG AAC Audio (mp4a)
Channels: Stereo
Sample Rate: 44100 Hz
I used the Codec Details in Media Information in VLC 1.1 to evaluate each video. The sound in Synergy is night and day better than Fresh 4.2.
snowpunter, thanks for the info. I normally don't record in 720p (in my case it's overkill). I prefer to record in 800x480. Do you (or anyone) know if there's a way to up the bitrate while recording in the smaller format?
Oh WOW, just seen your edit. That's a huge difference. Is there any way you can post those vids to youtube?
That bitrate control is probably only for video. I was recommending upping it in case it affected video quality. Check a video you've made in MikG in VLC to see if you're getting the same audio quality as Synergy.
Ok, this is odd... I sampled 2 videos I just took and the codec info matches yours regarding the audio for Synergy, but the audio is absolutely horrible.
Keep in mind, even though the volume was high, it was still prefectly clear to the human ear (I was trying to re-create a concert level environment).
Here's a link to the 1280x720 video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqcm-gGfuKE
Here's a link to the 800x480 video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9dbjM5Lb0w
This is driving me CRAZY. Why can't our phones capture audio like the iPhone??? Oh and it's not just the EVO b/c here's a sample from the brand new Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVaNRLuxh-c
I think it's a general limitation in the Android OS and perhaps the only solution is to go to the iPhone...
This is driving me CRAZY. Why can't our phones capture audio like the iPhone??? Oh and it's not just the EVO b/c here's a sample from the brand new Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch:
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Well, it doesn't work like an iphone because it's NOT an iphone.
And even an iphone wouldnt be able to record good audio in the same situation as that video.
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Well, it doesn't work like an iphone because it's NOT an iphone.
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I realize that, but the TECHNOLOGY exists and what I'm trying to figure out:
1) Is the Android OS capable of supporting this technology?
2) If so, why do they not incorporate it into the OS?
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And even an iphone wouldnt be able to record good audio in the same situation as that video.
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Au contraire, I have done side by side comparisons and the iPhone DID record perfectly clear audio so I know it can be done.
Please don't litter this thread with unhelpful opinions, or worse, unfounded proclamations. As stated in the very beginning, if you don’t have helpful info to share then just move on. Thank you.
Please don't litter this thread with unhelpful opinions, or worse, unfounded proclamations. As stated in the very beginning, if you don’t have helpful info to share then just move on. Thank you.
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I have been in the audio/video recording industry for over 20 years now, I think I have a clue what I am talking about. If YOU don't want my opinions and answers, maybe you should be the one to move on.
Sitlet, thank you for proving my points. First you wrote,
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...even an iphone wouldnt be able to record good audio in the same situation as that video.
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I am CERTAIN every one of the following videos were recorded in louder environments than my truck...
Janet Jackson in concert (recorded w/ iPhone)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY-l8-65an8
Goo Goo Dolls - Name (recorded w/ iPhone)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3eUZFNUuQ4
Tool concert (recorded w/ iPhone 4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY-mZOehiQc
...and they still came out much cleaner than...
Tommy Lee drum solo (recorded w/ my EVO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxWVULlCes4
The Big Rock Show @ 12th & Porter (recorded w/ my EVO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAO6Ot6vj-Q
Then you wrote,
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I have been in the audio/video recording industry for over 20 years now, I think I have a clue what I am talking about. If YOU don't want my opinions and answers, maybe you should be the one to move on.
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With your posts you managed to do exactly what I hoped to avoid by stating,
...please don’t reply to this thread w/ all the usual BS... (to) up (your) post count to make (yourself) feel relevant. If you don’t have helpful info to share then just move on.
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...and you managed to make yourself look like an ass by saying you have 20 years in the recording industry, but made claim the iPhone is incapable of recording good audio in the same situation despite being proven completely wrong (hence my unfounded proclamations remark).
Now, with that said, I'm not trying to make this an iPhone VS EVO thread. All I (and several others) would like to do is find a way for the EVO to record audio comparable to other phones on the market; obviously it's possible.
However, like so many others, this thread will probably be closed soon due to it's derailment by Sitlet and his inability to follow simple instruction. It's people like you that ruin great forums like XDA.
I have a question for the developers (im not one):
Though the KF doesnt have a built-in mic, it supports an external one for audio recording. Ive been using Android devices for a little over two years, and have tried a number of audio recoring apps on them.
There are a number of stereo microphones available (from Belkin, Tascam, Blue, etc) that allow high-quality stereo recording on ipods and iphones. There are a number of apps available for recording on Android, but the quality of the recordings is not great. Why is that? Is there something inherent in the Android platform that does not permit hi quality recording?
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This link might enlighten you a bit. Along with extremely poor audio-latency it would seem that audio recording is also problematic. Strange to find this in an audio device such as a phone eh?
Thanks; I actually used to use the Rehearsal Assistant app. I posed this same question to the developer of J4T, which is a very cool Android multitrack recording app, and I just got his response:
"One reason might be that the best recording quality that is supported by most Android phones is mono, 16-bit pcm, with samplerate 44100. So to make sure a recording app runs on most most android phones, the developer should probably use those numbers and not go any higher.
But it also means it's possible to have android phones that can record at much higher quality, and maybe they are out there. But that capacity may go unused, because the apps are developed for the 'average' phone.
Perhaps on other platforms the 'average phones' have higher bitrates and samplerates.
There are actually 2 ways to do audio recording on Android, but I'm not familiar with the other way (where you can record to AAC or AMR format). Perhaps the quality using those codecs is better than PCM, I don't know.
Please don't take this as a definite answer - this is just a guess from my perspective, maybe a manufacturer (or the Android team) would give a different answer."
I've been using a Belkin Tundtalk stereo microphone with a 3rd-generation ipod nano to make reharsal recordings of my rock band; the quality is actually very good. It records in wav format, stereo, 16-bit pcm, with samplerate 44100. So, outside of the fact that Android records in mono, not stereo, the potential for decent quality is there. The lousy quality must have a lot to do with the cheesy microphones used in the Android phones. If I could find a decent quality mic that would work with my Android phone (or with the Fire), I imagine it would make a big difference.
Yeah, from what I know about Android audio going the other way, the audio-latency issues, Google really managed to screw up on a bunch of levels. The audio app market on the iPhone is pretty big and they just haven't stepped up to the plate for developers from what I can see. I see a few apps coming out like AudioSketch that claim to have custom low-latency audio drivers, but that one isn't available for the Kindle Fire so I really can't say. But, sorry, I am digressing. I'd be curious as to see what results you get from your experiences.
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Perhaps the quality using those codecs is better than PCM, I don't know.
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This man doesn't now a thing about sound encoding. PCM is uncompressed audio format so it have smallest use of CPU and it has best quality. Only problem is that is space-hungry in comparison with other codec's.
In audio, whole system is good as the weakest thing in it. You need good MIC, you need good MIC input, you need good audio driver and you need good recording app. If one link in this chain is inadequate resulting sound quality is on level of that poor part.
Hey, just a thought but you might be able to turn your question into a free Kindle Fire if you were so inclined.
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Hey, just a thought but you might be able to turn your question into a free Kindle Fire if you were so inclined.
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Now that you've brought it to my attention, I AM so inclined! That's for letting me know.
I posted my question there, and after about an hour it was Closed as "not constructive" lol.
As I said, I'm not a developer. Even before I posted the question here I googled the subject and haven't been able to come up with a definitive answer as to why this is so. I would think there would be a huge market for after-market microphones for people to use on their Android phones (as there is for iphone and ipod). If I was an iphone fanboy, this would be my first argument against Android - crappy audio recording!
Hi,after a lot of research for the loudest 4 core 2gb ram smartphone i came up with the Lg Optimus G and i am 1 step from buying it,all i want is to tell me if the external speaker is loud enough and if u can compare it to other phones, i saw in GSM it has the most DBs in the Tests,cuz i am a sound addict and owner of Xperia Pro (Radio/music player Bug&Volume+) u can hear it like 40 metres away in an open place I MEAN IT,but i ahve to replace it cuz it's slow with 1Ghz core and 512 ram.....i rly need your help guys.Thanks
It‘s loud enough, maybe the loudest phone I ever had and I have had some loud phones I don't think that you‘ll need more sound than this but who knows,try to find somone who owns one and compare it to your device using the same song
My Lumia 920 is way louder and much clearer. But theres also android apps to adjust sound limits as needed
just take a look at this comparison by gsmarena. (it is part of S5 review)
Your friends are never going to believe what you did. The only way to prove it to them is with that video you took. Rate this thread to express how videos shot on the OnePlus 3 come out. A higher rating indicates that videos are smooth (and not choppy) and that auto-focus works very well, and that the camera adjusts quickly to different lighting conditions while recording.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Video quality is okay, nothing great. The stabilization could be better. I also don't like that there is no 1080p/60 option.
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Video quality is okay, nothing great. The stabilization could be better. I also don't like that there is no 1080p/60 option.
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You got any sample? And i think none of the latest flagships support 1080p60fps, dont know why
Techradar said you can record 1080p 60fps with other camera app, like open camera.
Anyone can test it?
Thanks
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Techradar said you can record 1080p 60fps with other camera app, like open camera.
Anyone can test it?
Thanks
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I gave open camera a shot and set it to 60fps, it doesn't actually do it, sadly enough. I've tried it both at the default bitrate (~20) and forced it to 5 mbit, both on the old api and the new camera2 api, nothing.
I'm not entirely certain what OP's reasoning behind no 60fps recording is anyway, I hope they'll add it in an update since AFAIK there's no hardware limitations which wouldn't allow it.
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I gave open camera a shot and set it to 60fps, it doesn't actually do it, sadly enough. I've tried it both at the default bitrate (~20) and forced it to 5 mbit, both on the old api and the new camera2 api, nothing.
I'm not entirely certain what OP's reasoning behind no 60fps recording is anyway, I hope they'll add it in an update since AFAIK there's no hardware limitations which wouldn't allow it.
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Htc 10, lg g5, htc 10, nexus 6p, xiaomi mi 5, none of these offer 60fps. Actually i think of all recent flagships only s7 is capable, i dont know reasons behind this decision of oems
I have an old hardware Zuk Z1 (snapdragon 801, same hardware as oneplus one) and it CAN record great quality 1080p 60fps.
With my Zuk I have low cost phone with great battery, very good responsive, customizable software, and a video resolution I CAN'T GET WITH NEW 2016 FLAGSHIPS.
incomprehensible.
Specially because that is the only reason I don't renew my phone.
But I would be happy to buy oneplus 3 of they add full HD 60fps non slowmotion video recording.
Hope they add it.
Anyone can test Video Recording in a really Loud environment?
Like for example a Rave or Concert?
Since the OPO, OP2 and the OPX all had serious issues with audio clipping on such occasions im very curious if OnePlus finally fixed this issue in theyre newest phone
Psych0_D0g said:
Anyone can test Video Recording in a really Loud environment?
Like for example a Rave or Concert?
Since the OPO, OP2 and the OPX all had serious issues with audio clipping on such occasions im very curious if OnePlus finally fixed this issue in theyre newest phone
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Interested too
Psych0_D0g said:
Anyone can test Video Recording in a really Loud environment?
Like for example a Rave or Concert?
Since the OPO, OP2 and the OPX all had serious issues with audio clipping on such occasions im very curious if OnePlus finally fixed this issue in theyre newest phone
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Interested too
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I'll be at the AirbeatOne festival soon , and record some videos, will report back then
I can record 1080p60 on blisspop
Demo: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcn2lg9knir2fji/VID_20160625_132718.mp4?dl=0
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I can record 1080p60 on blisspop
Demo: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcn2lg9knir2fji/VID_20160625_132718.mp4?dl=0
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That would be awesome! ?
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Video quality is okayish. OIS is not reliable on video and the sound is not processed properly.
laz3r69 said:
That would be awesome! ?
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Video quality is okayish. OIS is not reliable on video and the sound is not processed properly.
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Yeah the software needs improvement and the noise cancellation is way too aggressive, I was only able to bump up the audio for the background noise and not disable the noise cancelation. Of course I did that after taking the video
But 1080p60 is possible
Psych0_D0g said:
Anyone can test Video Recording in a really Loud environment?
Like for example a Rave or Concert?
Since the OPO, OP2 and the OPX all had serious issues with audio clipping on such occasions im very curious if OnePlus finally fixed this issue in theyre newest phone
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THIS! My OnePlus one always made it sound like I was recording constant farting no matter what festival/club I went too. Switched to an iPhone 6 Plus and never had any audio distortion no matter how loud the music was...
mole51 said:
THIS! My OnePlus one always made it sound like I was recording constant farting no matter what festival/club I went too. Switched to an iPhone 6 Plus and never had any audio distortion no matter how loud the music was...
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There is temp fix for that issue
what iv understood that someone said, that these mobile phone processors cant go constant 60fps video like gopro can. I had it on oneplus1 with Sultan-ROM and fps seemed to fluctuate somehwere between 59fps and 60fps (bsplayer with the i in the upper right corner, it had FPS counter) and i think i saw some small stuttering sometimes.. it looked almost like it were running too fast, hard to compare(and i dont have gopro) but it would be really cool to have it do like gopro but its probably gonna need own chip to make video.. (im not an expert on this matter, just what iv noticed) in the end i just recorded 4k so my daughter can enjoy 4k videos when he's all grown up. 4k downscaled into 1080p is _REALLY_ sharp compared to normal 1080p mode where native 1080p almost looked like youtube quality at 1080p and 4k downscaled to 1080p looked like ripped BR-movie with 11Gb/2hrs .. really crisp.
-- Waiting for my 1+3, estimated delivery date => monday 18th of july
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I'll be at the AirbeatOne festival soon , and record some videos, will report back then
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so, airbeat one is over
any insightful results you can share with us?
Sorry for poking but i really need to know
Psych0_D0g said:
so, airbeat one is over
any insightful results you can share with us?
Sorry for poking but i really need to know
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Yes, the video quality is quite good. However the sound is pretty bad, when the music gets too loud, I'll try to upload some examples if I get some time today after work
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Yes, the video quality is quite good. However the sound is pretty bad, when the music gets too loud, I'll try to upload some examples if I get some time today after work
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thanks, so it seems that oneplus did not change anything about the microphone clipping?
will wait for sample videos tho. Thank you already
After 3.2.2?
Is the video recording quality/audio when recording fixed after the 3.2.2 update? Planning on buying this phone over the upcoming note7/s7 edge. I like the touchwiz interface but not the Samsung bloatware apps like their keyboard/gear manager etc..
I shoot alot of 1080p video I don't think I will ever shoot videos at 4K
For 1080p is the OP3 video quality good enough?
Thanks guys
Title speaks for itself. The phone doesn't have to be still in production (in fact, I'd rather buy it used).
2-way call recording however is very important. As I've understood, not all phones' hardware is capable of doing this, or at most only 1-way recording. I am however looking for 2-way recording.