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Desire Battery Voltage Issue

Hi all,
I've been having issues with my phone lasting nowhere as long as my girlfriends identical one,
I installed Quick System Info on both phones, Killed all tasks.. Not only is my display duller than hers on the lowest setting using the power control widget but the voltage on my battery is 3737mV while hers is 4071mV..
Is this cause for concern?
Update, forgot to mention, this is from a full charge on both handsets.

Sounds like your battery is fu#ked!
There seems to be an issue with the way android reports the battery voltage. If I leave my phone on the charger until the light goes green and the indicator says 100%, the voltage will often report between 4.146v - 4.156v.
Upon unplugging the phone would drop to 99% and 4.125v almost immediately.
I noticed the other day that after leaving the battery on the charger overnight the voltage was reporting as 4.206v and I was able to use the phone for over 15min before it dropped to 99% from 100%.
Minimum voltage before your phone powers off is around 3.6v - 3.650v. So 3.737 is pretty close to the cut-off point. The OS is may report 100% charge but your battery is not holding charge.
I had a battery on a different device that was like this. The battery had collapsed. I could charge it for 24hrs and it would not make a difference. Within 30min of use or 1 phone call it would die.
Does your battery have any bugles, bumps or protrusions? This is often a sign of a collapsed battery.

Edit: Don't write when you're tired, silly things come out of your fingers! Soz!

have you tried to swap batteries between the two phones. That will exclude either your phone or the battery from being faulty.

Yes, after scratching my head for a few days I did eventualy come up with the genius idea of putting the battery from the other phone into my phone!! and after charging it up, set it down for an hour and then checked and the battery was on 98% !!
So it looks like there is something wrong with my battery, This morning I woke up and my phone had been charging for 7 hours and was fully charged, I looked at the battery meter and it said 100%, I turned the phone off then back on and checked again.. 90% ???? WTF ??? just from turning the phone off and on?

[Q] Weird battery discharge

Hi fellas..
Maybe you've noticed the messages I've sent to Unofficial BravoS thread of Coolexe's (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1200517&page=51) which is the ROM I use.
The issue is, the battery discharges rapidly. Actually, if you check mV values, it doesn't discharge rapidly, but if you look at percentages, there is a huge inconsistency. I used Battery Monitor Widget to log the battery performances last night, and saw these horrible results:
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2011/09/19|04:59:49|-515mA|37%|3581mV|40.2ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:00:51|-465mA|36%|3576mV|40.2ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:01:49|-460mA|36%|3576mV|40.2ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:02:50|-462mA|35%|3517mV|40.2ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:03:49|-477mA|35%|3517mV|40.2ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:04:50|-471mA|34%|3449mV|40.3ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:06:06|-478mA|0%|3415mV|40.5ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|05:06:08|-478mA|0%|3415mV|40.5ºC|1|0
These are the last lines of the log, before the phone shuts down. As you can see, the phone gone to 0% from 34% in one minute! No low battery warnings or whatsoever..
Funny thing is, this doesn't happen in StarBurst ROM (which is a Froyo based one). Do you reckon this is a GingerBread issue or something? I saw some other people complaining about their phone shutting down at 20% as well.
So, what do you suggest?

when you look at the voltage there isnt that much drain, so its only a displaying problem
wipe battery stats and maybe recalibrate the battery
but first one should fix it
cheers
ps: i just checked, my desire is at 18% with 3.693mV, now you see the differance

crendot said:
when you look at the voltage there isnt that much drain, so its only a displaying problem
wipe battery stats and maybe recalibrate the battery
but first one should fix it
cheers
ps: i just checked, my desire is at 18% with 3.693mV, now you see the differance
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This is what I've done so far:
Drained battery to 0% (log above) and charged it a little bit while powered off (like 20%). Turned on the phone, and obtained those logs (last lines only):
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2011/09/19|14:41:25|-268mA|10%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:42:25|-267mA|10%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:43:25|-270mA|10%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:44:25|-269mA|9%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:45:25|-267mA|9%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:46:25|-268mA|9%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:47:25|-266mA|8%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:48:25|-267mA|8%|3644mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:49:25|-269mA|7%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:50:25|-267mA|7%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:51:25|-266mA|7%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:52:25|-267mA|7%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:53:25|-267mA|6%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:54:25|-267mA|6%|3640mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:55:25|-267mA|5%|3635mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:56:25|-266mA|5%|3635mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:57:25|-267mA|5%|3635mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:58:25|-268mA|5%|3635mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|14:59:25|-268mA|4%|3630mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:00:25|-319mA|4%|3630mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:01:25|-268mA|4%|3630mV|38.0ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:02:25|-270mA|3%|3610mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:03:25|-269mA|3%|3610mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:04:25|-270mA|2%|3586mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:05:25|-273mA|2%|3586mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:06:25|-273mA|2%|3586mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:07:25|-273mA|2%|3586mV|38.1ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:08:25|-289mA|1%|3513mV|38.3ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:09:25|-290mA|1%|3513mV|38.3ºC|1|0
2011/09/19|15:09:51|-290mA|0%|3464mV|38.3ºC|1|0
It seems more "smooth" discharge now. Right now, I'm charging my phone off; going to turn on phone once it reaches "green light" with charger on, and plug it off once phone booted. Maybe then, it can know what's maximum and minimum.
So far, I tried to charge my phone to full and erase batterystats.bin but, as you can see at the first post, it didn't work well.. On the other hand, the phone charged-discharged only once in this ROM, you think it could be better if I've given a "second chance"?

i dont know much about that "battery calibrating" and reseting stuff, you have to search in the forum
only thing i want to say is, dont do that deep drains!
recharge at least 5%! you kill your battery, lithium-ion batterys get serious damage from deep drains

crendot said:
i dont know much about that "battery calibrating" and reseting stuff, you have to search in the forum
only thing i want to say is, dont do that deep drains!
recharge at least 5%! you kill your battery, lithium-ion batterys get serious damage from deep drains
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I know, but when phone thinks it's 30% and not warn me, how can I do it?

In order to calibrate the battery meter - FYI the battery itself cannot be calibrated, as Li-Ion batteries have a very low memory compared to old Ni-Cd etc. batteries - you have to go through the following procedure:
1) charge the battery to 100%;
2) let the battery discharge until the phone shuts itself down;
3) plug the wall charger into the phone, boot the phone up then charge the battery to 100% without interruptions.
If the above procedure does not yield the expected results, you can try fully charging the phone (LED showing green) with it completely turned off (after completely draining it). Again, the charging procedure should not be interrupted.
Source: personal experience - had to do this twice after installing new ROMs, as the phone was shutting down at ~14% (working like a charm now).
Regarding the matter of battery wear because of complete discharges, Li-Ion batteries do indeed have a lower cycle count than old-school batteries, but the standard charge/discharge number a Li-Ion battery can take is ~350, so you can't damage the battery pack by doing a full cycle per month (required to keep the battery meter accurate).
Good luck!

TVTV said:
In order to calibrate the battery meter - FYI the battery itself cannot be calibrated, as Li-Ion batteries have a very low memory compared to old Ni-Cd etc. batteries - you have to go through the following procedure:
1) charge the battery to 100%;
2) let the battery discharge until the phone shuts itself down;
3) plug the wall charger into the phone, boot the phone up then charge the battery to 100% without interruptions.
If the above procedure does not yield the expected results, you can try fully charging the phone (LED showing green) with it completely turned off (after completely draining it). Again, the charging procedure should not be interrupted.
Source: personal experience - had to do this twice after installing new ROMs, as the phone was shutting down at ~14% (working like a charm now).
Regarding the matter of battery wear because of complete discharges, Li-Ion batteries do indeed have a lower cycle count than old-school batteries, but the standard charge/discharge number a Li-Ion battery can take is ~350, so you can't damage the battery pack by doing a full cycle per month (required to keep the battery meter accurate).
Good luck!
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Thanks for your answer...
Today I realized that it my concern was a quick one. Today, I discharged battery to 0 percent, plugged the AC charger while it's OFF and charged it for around 2h22m until Led-green-full; then turned on the phone with charger plugged and plugged it off just after the boot process. After that, I let the phone to discharge (I helped it a little )
I actually saw "Plug your charger" warning this time, and according to Bat. Mon. Widget, it gone down until 13%! If I do compare the mV values with the old ones, I can see that somehow the phone does learn which mV value correspond to which percentage better.
Even though it gone from 13% to 0% in two minutes, it's at least better than 30% to 0%.. Also, when I check the readings after I plugged in, I saw that percentage-voltage matching is slightly higher, showing that the phone now shows lower percentage for the same voltage - which shows that it learns percentage better.
After one or two charge-discharge cycle, I think it'll learn absolute 0
BTW; the battery says 3.4V 1400mAh and my maximum voltage is 4160mV (100%) and minimum is 3415mV (0%). Are these values normal, you think?
PS: What I'd recommend from anyone who loves flashing ROMs as much as I do is: AFTER YOU FLASHED A NEW ROM, CHARGE YOUR BATTERY TO FULL (100%) AND ERASE THE BATTERY STATS. AFTER THIS, NEVER, I SAY, NEVER ERASE YOUR BATTERY STATS FOR LONG TIME IN ORDER FOR YOUR PHONE TO LEARN STATS BETTER! Erase after long time, say 3 months for wear effects to be accounted, but well, I think you should be fine even after you don't do this
Maybe you did already know that, but, well, I learned it hard way
EDIT: Phone shutdown at 13% after this, but I think it'll do better in time..

Can't Calibrate the Widget
I am having a similar issue with my htc aria. Problem is that it gets to about 78% and then won't go any higher. It even shows (in Battery Monitor Widget)
"Discharging" and "AC plugged". I have let it sit plenty long enough to be fully charged and then completely discharged it (until it shut itself down, which was not 0%) and recharged until it reaches 78% again and stops charging. I'm guessing it is so far out of whack that it says I'm at 78% but I am really at 100%.
The widget says to charge to 100% and then drain completely to 0% to calibrate. I can't do either from what I can tell. So what to do?

theGanymedes said:
Today, I discharged battery to 0 percent, plugged the AC charger while it's OFF and charged it for around 2h22m until Led-green-full; then turned on the phone with charger plugged and plugged it off just after the boot process.
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Quick tip - let the phone charge for another hour or so after the light goes green (when charging it while powered off). I've read that the light goes green at about 95%. It takes another hour for the phone to really charge to 100%. That's because Li-Ion batteries use two stages to charge: a fast one and a slow one. More details here.
Glad i could help.
P.S. - It also took me two complete charge/discharge cycles to fully calibrate my battery meter after switching from FroYo to Gingerbread.
@vkyjackie - Try fully charging the phone while powered off. If it still doesn't fully charge (LED green), then you might have an issue with either the battery pack or the wall charger.

U2 vs U9

This is going to sound ridiculous, but I have to say it anyway.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 (SGH-i777), and I have two charging cables. A U9, and a U2.
When I charge the phone overnight with the U9 cable, I get a 100% rating on the charge, but the battery dies VERY fast. I unplug the phone at 7am, and it's down to 70% by 10am with very little use.
When I charge the phone overnight with the U2 cable, I get a 100% rating on the charge as well, but then the battery dies very slowly, the way I prefer it. I can use the phone moderately all day, and still have a good 30-40% when I get home after 5pm.
Clearly, I use the U2 cable, as this achieves my goal. My question is, why does it work this way? Is there something wrong with the U9 cable? Does it charge the battery differently than the U2?

Check what kind of charging the phone recognize "USB" or "AC". If it is USB the charging is slower (450mA) when AC is faster (650mA).

flash608 said:
Check what kind of charging the phone recognize "USB" or "AC". If it is USB the charging is slower (450mA) when AC is faster (650mA).
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I'm not quite sure what you mean. Is there a place in the menu of the phone to check for this?
I used to use the wall-outlet adapter with the U9 cable. Now I am using the same wall-outlet adapter with the U2 cable.

It`s hidden in Settings -> About Phone -> Status -> Battery Status (AC/USB)

Shibblet said:
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Is there a place in the menu of the phone to check for this?
I used to use the wall-outlet adapter with the U9 cable. Now I am using the same wall-outlet adapter with the U2 cable.
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When you connect the usb cable the phone says that is connected like a media device and a usb symbol appear in status bar and notification area, it means that are charging at 450 mAh (like usb connected to PC), but if only see a charging battery indicator then is charging at 650 mAh (like Power AC Adapter).
But I really dont know if the charge duration is affected, maybe is overcharging your battery. Try this, charge until 100% with both, but disconnect it when the phone says that charge is complete and try. Maybe with the time the battery is overcharged and has more battery with one of the cables.

At a molecular level, the slower charging is more thorough and actually deposits more charge (energy) into the battery, which is why a slow charge rate results in a better performing cell or battery. Remember, batteries (or cells; a battery is just a collection of cells) change energy from chemical to electrical when providing power, and accept energy when being charged by converting electrical energy to chemical energy. That chemical change doesn't happen instantaneously, and is why a slow charge can actually raise a cell or battery's energy level higher.
Generally, the charger measures the charge state of the battery by the voltage of the cell or battery, and charging slowly allows the charge to more thoroughly dissipate through the cell. Rapidly charging, on the other hand, builds potential (voltage) quickly, but the quick charging doesn't allow the chemical change to occur thoroughly throughout the cells, and misleadingly indicates a higher voltage (charge state) than has actually occurred.
Think of the game of Tetris: When the blocks (incoming electrons) are falling slowly, it's easy to pack them tightly and fit more into the play area (battery). When they're coming in quickly, eventually you become unable to fit them all tightly without leaving voids, and the height of the stack (perceived charge level, or voltage) reaches the threshold without being fully packed (charged).
I hope this helps, four years after the question --Mike Jernigan, Greensboro

EightOhMike said:
At a molecular level, the slower charging is more thorough and actually deposits more charge (energy) into the battery, which is why a slow charge rate results in a better performing cell or battery. Remember, batteries (or cells; a battery is just a collection of cells) change energy from chemical to electrical when providing power, and accept energy when being charged by converting electrical energy to chemical energy. That chemical change doesn't happen instantaneously, and is why a slow charge can actually raise a cell or battery's energy level higher.
Generally, the charger measures the charge state of the battery by the voltage of the cell or battery, and charging slowly allows the charge to more thoroughly dissipate through the cell. Rapidly charging, on the other hand, builds potential (voltage) quickly, but the quick charging doesn't allow the chemical change to occur thoroughly throughout the cells, and misleadingly indicates a higher voltage (charge state) than has actually occurred.
Think of the game of Tetris: When the blocks (incoming electrons) are falling slowly, it's easy to pack them tightly and fit more into the play area (battery). When they're coming in quickly, eventually you become unable to fit them all tightly without leaving voids, and the height of the stack (perceived charge level, or voltage) reaches the threshold without being fully packed (charged).
I hope this helps, four years after the question --Mike Jernigan, Greensboro
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4 year? You waited 4 year ???

[Q] 100% to 95% battery

Hey guys. Within a minute or so after my phones removed from the charger it drops to 95%.is this normal?im using the 1.8a LG charger that comes with the phone F240L.i read somewhere that they are using the LG charger 1.2a out of the box.does this phone have two different out of the box charger..thanks..

Completly normal. The method that seems to be employed for the battery percentage is read the voltage itself and make a guess
This high voltage drops down quite quickly both as a "load" is applied to the battery,. Plus there is not a lot of change in capacity from the very high voltages to the more normal voltages, in any li-ion battery. So while the voltage can be used to guestimate a range of charge levels, between like 4.0 and 4.3 there isnt much changed in the battery itself.
Further from what i have seen so far (not totally sure) they are charging to 4.35v which is a rescent slight change in the chemistry of the li-ion to allow for higher charge levels without it gassing or reducing the life (Havent tested that theory long enough yet either).
Also All li-ion alogrythms for charging do a CC CV charge, where the final charge is just "holding" the voltage at the high, till the batterys charge state floats up to that level. This can (not facted out yet) mean that leaving it on the charge past the time it claims it is fully charged , it will put tiny bits more into it. This happens more with my big fat zerolemon battery because it seems to have more resistance to the other connected cell items than would be desired.
Anyways all is well, just dont believe anything a computer tells you , and it will be fine The other methods have thier own deficiencies.
Other STUFF:
Li-Ion batteries really do not prefer to be left at their high charge voltages, as they degrade faster there. so when you read the above, or try "bump" charging methods (thats just restarting the charge) It is not good for it. The battery will be happier, using it like it was designed, taking it off the charge when it states it is full. all of this being more info than anyone needs to know, or freaking care about.
As a li-ion battery becomes old and weak, it will exhibit even more of these charateristics that have people wondering. It will drop off the highs quicker still, have less total capacity, and increse a tiny bit in resistance , which will cause it to drop even more under load. At some point the battery would be so bad at that, you would want to replace it.
Heat, the li-ion cells dont like these extreeme heats. they prefer to work more at normal room temps and cold but not extreeme cold. So take that in also as a factor in keeping your battery more happy, again if you want to waste half your life pampering the thing

runwithme21 said:
Hey guys. Within a minute or so after my phones removed from the charger it drops to 95%.is this normal?im using the 1.8a LG charger that comes with the phone F240L.i read somewhere that they are using the LG charger 1.2a out of the box.does this phone have two different out of the box charger..thanks..
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It's the calibration. Happens to me too sometime. Drops rather fast to 95%, then goes stable around 89%. Just leave it on charge for an extra 45 minutes or so, then let the battery die down to at-least 10% before charging again. Not exact science, it's just what I do.

[Q] Battery Overcharging Concern

Hi,
I recently bought the 2GB RAM variant of the ASUS ZenFone 2 (ZE551ML). I noticed that if the phone was kept on charge for an extended period of time, after the battery had reached 100%, it would take an exorbitant amount of time to go from 100% to 99% and would discharge normally after. During this period the battery section under settings would not report any usage statistics either.
However, if I disconnect it before it hits 100, I noticed that the rate of discharge is how it should be.
If I leave it connected to the charger after it hits 100, CPU-Z reports a battery voltage of 4278mV and once I disconnect it starts discharging from 4227mV. I read somewhere that 4.2V is the max safe limit for a Li-Po battery.
I'm concerned if any of this is an indication of the battery getting overcharged. Any inputs would be appreciated.
Thanks.

The last 1% is the phone trickle charging so it does not overcharge. Some phones stop charging when the battery hits 100%, like the Nexus 4. Other phones keep trickle charging and pull energy from the charger over the battery like Nexus 5 or the Asus Zenfone2.

I agree with the previous poster, the phone trickle charges at the end.
As for leaving your phone on the charger overnight etc, I wouldn't worry, I do it all the time. The phone battery wouldn't overcharge if left on the charger for a longer period of time, it would just stop charging and the phone would draw power from the adapter.

saurav1990 said:
Hi,
I recently bought the 2GB RAM variant of the ASUS ZenFone 2 (ZE551ML). I noticed that if the phone was kept on charge for an extended period of time, after the battery had reached 100%, it would take an exorbitant amount of time to go from 100% to 99% and would discharge normally after. During this period the battery section under settings would not report any usage statistics either.
However, if I disconnect it before it hits 100, I noticed that the rate of discharge is how it should be.
If I leave it connected to the charger after it hits 100, CPU-Z reports a battery voltage of 4278mV and once I disconnect it starts discharging from 4227mV. I read somewhere that 4.2V is the max safe limit for a Li-Po battery.
I'm concerned if any of this is an indication of the battery getting overcharged. Any inputs would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Depends on the battery. Some are rated for 4.35. My Zenfone 2 charging to a solid 4.3+. The voltage will always read lower when removing the charger. After removing the charger, use your phone for about 5 minutes. This is your solid voltage. I wouldn't worry about 4.25. This is no problem.

Chinaphonearena said:
Depends on the battery. Some are rated for 4.35. My Zenfone 2 charging to a solid 4.3+. The voltage will always read lower when removing the charger. After removing the charger, use your phone for about 5 minutes. This is your solid voltage. I wouldn't worry about 4.25. This is no problem.
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Mine goes beyond 4.3, I'm seeing as high as 4.33...Can you confirm the voltage that's listed as safe for the battery?